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powerofsoul User ID: 36178714 Canada 07/07/2016 03:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why should God have to be about material possessions? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70789900 So when the poor have all the possessions do they have to give them all back? The poor shouldn't be collecting treasures either. Its called improving quality of life. ~ Most whom are financial poor... just want simple the comforts of life... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71312488 Philippines 07/07/2016 03:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why should God have to be about material possessions? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70789900 So when the poor have all the possessions do they have to give them all back? Its called Sharing with those whom have less... Because They are suffering because they have less. Obama loves the poor so much that he made millions more of them. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71312488 Philippines 07/07/2016 03:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why should God have to be about material possessions? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70789900 So when the poor have all the possessions do they have to give them all back? The poor shouldn't be collecting treasures either. Its called improving quality of life. ~ Most whom are financial poor... just want simple the comforts of life... what a nice generically useless gesture bet you feel so good after saying it like as if you actually did something |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 71981011 United States 07/07/2016 03:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The poor will just spend the money on liquor, cigarettes, dope and flea ingested prostitutes. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71312488 Why would any Christian subsidize that? And this is not a joke. That is exactly what most of the hallowed "poor" will do. Here is a better idea. Keep your money and things and make a stable life for you and for your family because the bible says that a man who does not provide for his own family is worse than an infidel. And then since you did not make yourself destitute subsidizing drug addictions you can choose good people whom you know and like and help them selectively. Of course we are to provide for our own families. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71262386 Netherlands 07/07/2016 03:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what atheist and liberal know about called HUMANITY ? absolutely nothing “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.” ~ Plato HUMANITY is by do , not by BS |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 71981011 United States 07/07/2016 03:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Like most people who only read scripture when they are on a pissed off drinking binge and find the Gideon Bible in their Motel 6 bedside table drawer OP has no concept of context and poetry. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71312488 You say disobedience is a better idea. Therefore I won't be taking your word seriously. |
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Matrix User ID: 71965732 Australia 07/07/2016 04:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They do all the time to pay for the free shit army via taxes, reparations, subsidies, charity, affirmative action, diversity and inclusiveness...the rich don't pay any of these they live in their segregating gated communities with their armed guards and long driveways not giving a shit what the rest have to wear the brunt of their guilt filled political correctness utopians via "inclusiveness", diversity and desegrigation... the nobility remain above the peasants and never feel the effects of their policy all on their high horses jet setting around the world following the warm weather if it gets a bit cold if feel they need a "buffer zone" safe space time out, can afford to segregate if they want, the rest have no choice |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72362921 United Kingdom 07/07/2016 04:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Like most people who only read scripture when they are on a pissed off drinking binge and find the Gideon Bible in their Motel 6 bedside table drawer OP has no concept of context and poetry. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71312488 You say disobedience is a better idea. Therefore I won't be taking your word seriously. Well then stop mingling Christianity Holy Scriptures with Romans Catholic indoctrine crap. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71468049 France 07/07/2016 04:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | estonia, quite the opposite: those who assumed they had everything bc of their wealth realize they have nothing, and those who had nothing but kept the faith/love realize they have everything the last shall be the 1st.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71294296 United Kingdom 07/07/2016 04:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's in your mind that a Bentley is a lot of materialism. Even if he had a Bentley car dealership, it would not be materialism. Remember the law in the Old Testament that says not to covet what your neighbor has...that's you, coveting, if not coveting the bentley, it would be coveting a neighbor without a bentley, or coveting a perfect world, or divining the world based on the name brands that people have, if it is good or bad. Stop divining by brand names and stop divining a future by money. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70849821 And in other verses Jesus gets gold frankincense and myrrh, and also has priest qualities, and does not decline expensive ointment. Commandments.... and examples.... look at who they are talking to. Hey if my Lord walked with me as the Master in visibility to others and told me things, would I follow? Would you? First order of business would be to get off the GLP, but as you can see, nobody is taking orders. Go get a Bentley and tell me what it feels like from the other side to have a Christian tell you to not be materialistic. Go put your self-will on hold and get the car, tell me if it's easy. I am allowed to covet righteous things. I don't want a Bentley. You shouldn't be asking me to disobey God. The expensive ointment was for his burial and it was a gift. He said is was a good work done for him. She loved much. He wasn't collecting treasures. As for the gold, frankincense, and myrrh, wasn't that at his birth? He was just a child. Question is, what did his parents do with it? Sold it on ebay |
Matrix User ID: 71965732 Australia 07/07/2016 04:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So we have got the global warming caused by mankind crowd jet setting around the world telling people what they are doing is wrong, while they many more times the pollution then those they say are "changing" the climate are doing themselves to spread the word, while thinking, using the evil, its for the greater good, that I can use the polluting taboo things and the destructive things of evil to preach and show the evils of my message. Do as we say not as we do, we lead you by our mouths(hot air), our actions say we don't give a shit about being controlled like you, laws and decrees are for peasants, when we do it, its not polluting, its unicorns and rainbows don't be evil by living like us |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72456070 United States 07/07/2016 05:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God has forbidden us to collect treasures on earth. He wants us to collect treasures in heaven. Yet a guy gives me a ride to church in a Bentley. I didn't even know what a Bentley was until he started to boast about it. No one can change my mind, that is considered greed and being in love with the world and what it provides. Jesus commanded that we sell our possessions and give to the poor. Yet a lot of people within the church have homes cluttered with things they don't even need. Some say that Jesus was only talking to the rich guy. This is not true. Notice how he is talking to the enter flock. All of us are required to do this. Do not let anyone fool you. Many of you won't do it though, because you love the world and what it provides. As for me, I own barely anything. I don't need to collect the things of this world. Besides, the more I give, the more God will hear my prayers. When I cry, he will hear me. He will defend me, protect me, and avenge me. Believe me, it's worth it. This is one of the easiest commandments to keep. Why not obey God and just do it? Quoting: Toonz Acts 4:34-35 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. Matthew 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. Matthew 6:19-24 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. Luke 12:32-34 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Acts 2:44-47 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Matthew 13:45-46 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it. 1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. No. Jesus did not say that. If you know of someone who needs help, then help him. Jesus did not say sell everything off and give to the poor folks on welfare who will not work. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59068469 Canada 07/07/2016 05:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Scriptures say that we should give, not sparingly if we have more to give. It says, also, that we should not give so much that we become poor like the ones we are trying to help, and wind up a beggar. That only makes sense. Who will help US then? God does not want us to be in need. God is talking to the rich men about serving the poorest among us, and this they do not do, but they do rob us to gain even more wealth. They lie, deceive, and kill for money. They like it that way, and are detestable. Blind leaders of blind men. The only thing God asks of us is that we love Him with our whole hearts, minds, souls, and strength, and to love our neighbors as ourselves. Do those things and you shall have TREASURES in Heaven, wherefrom all blessings, spiritually and materially, flow. |
psalm119 User ID: 49931989 United States 07/07/2016 06:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I gave away all my possessions last year except my car and clothes and moved to Philly and moved in with my unsaved sister and her husband. I literally gave away all my favorite things but I knew God wanted me down there to live as Christian for them to see it and walk the walk. I had a job down there and blessed the house every morning before work and passed out gospel tracts almost daily after work. I left after 8 months because it was just time to go. I am staying at a guest house for now and driving a little VW with 170,000 miles on it and Ive been praying on what God wants me to do next. Toonz can you please pray for me that God makes my mind and heart clear on my next step? I have a job in the beauty industry and I think He wants me to keep that but Im not getting a loud and clear answer on where to live and if I should marry. THANK YOU. Quoting: psalm119 Yeah, I have been thinking about marriage as well but I remember scripture saying virgins will be devoted to God and those with a spouse will care for the things of the world, how they can please their spouse. I want to be devoted to God and please him. A wife could distract me and perhaps even draw me away from God. I wouldn't want to love my wife and kids more than God. Nor would I want them to distract me from God's will for me. So perhaps it's best I stay celibate. Congratulations on giving away a lot of your possessions. God will surely bless you. Those who have done such things are surely blessed. Not many people obey this commandment and I am worried about them. Those who do, have treasures in heaven as promised. I'm proud of you for giving away your favorite things. Not many people can say that. Sure I'll pray for you, but in secret, and not on here. Thank you for praying for me. I am also celibate and I have been involved with another devout Christian for 8 months now and he wants to get married next month. He bought me a very nice egagement ring. He is proposing when he comes to visit me in 2 weeks. But im getting tremendous anxiety over it. Ive been serving the Lord as a single woman and I already see that the dramas of this life are already popping up for us with him working alot and other dramas of this life that I havent had to deal with as single woman. He really loves God. But I feel the marriage will come first and my relarionship with God will suffer. Right now its just me and God. I even got more done Kingdom-wise before I started courting with this man and now I pass out less bible tracts. I cant blame him for it. I know the bible says when you marry you care for the things of your spouse more than the things of God. I am waiting for God to give me a clear answer or direction. I also dont want to be a "truce breaker" with this man and tell him I will marry him then back out. If I take the ring then back out then i would be a truce breaker. I did pray lastnite and ask God to please end the relationship if it isnt His Will. I want to do His WILL. Thats what I want. Whatever it is. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26449294 Philippines 07/07/2016 07:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Like most people who only read scripture when they are on a pissed off drinking binge and find the Gideon Bible in their Motel 6 bedside table drawer OP has no concept of context and poetry. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71312488 You say disobedience is a better idea. Therefore I won't be taking your word seriously. You are another silly clown liar. There is no blanket commandment from Christ to sell everything and give the proceeds to the poor. There were plenty of rich Christians. You are just trying to throw confusion into weak minds, not unlike your own. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72529153 United States 07/07/2016 07:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God has forbidden us to collect treasures on earth. He wants us to collect treasures in heaven. Yet a guy gives me a ride to church in a Bentley. I didn't even know what a Bentley was until he started to boast about it. No one can change my mind, that is considered greed and being in love with the world and what it provides. Jesus commanded that we sell our possessions and give to the poor. Yet a lot of people within the church have homes cluttered with things they don't even need. Some say that Jesus was only talking to the rich guy. This is not true. Notice how he is talking to the enter flock. All of us are required to do this. Do not let anyone fool you. Many of you won't do it though, because you love the world and what it provides. As for me, I own barely anything. I don't need to collect the things of this world. Besides, the more I give, the more God will hear my prayers. When I cry, he will hear me. He will defend me, protect me, and avenge me. Believe me, it's worth it. This is one of the easiest commandments to keep. Why not obey God and just do it? Quoting: Toonz Acts 4:34-35 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. Matthew 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. Matthew 6:19-24 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness! No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. Mark 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. Luke 12:32-34 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. Acts 2:44-47 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. Matthew 13:45-46 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it. 1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. Maybe because the IRS already took it all. Fuck off! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26449294 Philippines 07/07/2016 07:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Matthew 27:57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus’ disciple: He gave his tomb be he certainly did not sell everything he had and give it all away. And he did not even give his tomb to the poor. Acts 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul. 15 And when she was baptized, and her household, she besought us, saying, If ye have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there. And she constrained us. Lydia blessed other Christians but she did not sell all she had and give it to the generic "poor". The only time IN ALL OF SCRIPTURE WHERE JESUS SAYS SELL ALL YOU HAVE AND GIVE TO THE POOR IS HERE Luke 18:22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. He is speaking to the rich young ruler and Jesus already knows that wealth id the stumbling block of this man. This is stated one time for ONE specific purpose and to one specific person. This is not a doctrine. Doctrine is repeated and repeated and repeated over and over again. This statement is not doctrine. This is the kind of statement that cults seize upon and make it their doctrine to mind control people. It was Judas who complained that expensive oil should have been sold and the money given to the poor rather than anointing Jesus with it. OP is another Judas sewing confusion. It is ok to have things. Use things and love people not the other way around. But also you are not required to just give up all you have to the "poor" like you are some crazy person. You would end up having to beg being that stupid. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26449294 Philippines 07/07/2016 07:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Acts 5:1 But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. Ananias and Sapphira did not die because they did not give everything. There was no requirement for them to give anything. They died because they lied. |
MOM User ID: 72116403 United States 07/07/2016 08:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a believer we are not to covet others things as well, nor are we to be jealous or envious. Notice how when we are told of a value of something, we than begin to wonder about ourselves. This is the sin within each of us. There is so much more to the story of the rich man. It's about the heart. Notice the rich man was seeking truth from Jesus. He wanted to know if there was anything else he must do. He was under the covenant of the sactrificial law system. You followed the laws and obeyed all that GOD said to do or the priests. He did all those things, yet Jesus pointed out that sin still resided in man. Even though this man followed all the laws and listened to the priests there was hidden sin. The priests of that day were being held accountable for what they taught the people. This man is the people. Jesus came to show us that all are sinners and have deep things within that are hidden to even ourselves. He is the One who exposes or judges these things yet He is also the one who died to give the grace this rich man needed in the condemnation he would recieve because he was trusting in his good works, his own way of good works for heaven passage. Remember these people were promises blessings on earth in obedience to laws and obediance to leaders. Today we are under GOD's covenanant of grace. We walk in knowing that we are to judge ourselves rightely. To see something that is rich of another and judge is to actually say, I am sinless because I have nothing and I can not give but he can. Now, we enter into greed, and lack of faith. WE are to ask in prayer for things we need, not want. Jesus asked in need not want. Even His request to let the cup of evil upon His body was an ask. It was a want but He needed to do this work to show us the true way. Even death of others on us through faith with no wrong doing leads to salvation. Do you realize how we tend to think of ourselves first. Like, why don't I get these blessings others have? This is the first thing you need to watch for. To trust and have faith is to trust GOD in the not having something as well. Jesus showed us just that. He had not even a pillow to lay His head on. He is speaking to the rich as well as the poor. Salvation and sin is both in us and we need to guard our thoughts as well as the great gift of salvation too. So, if you see a brother or sister in faith with goods, remember GOD can use this person as well and his or her stuff and it's up to GOD not us to guilt a person into giving. Jesus did't do this either as so many do. GOD said give to HIM without guilt or grumbling. He wants a cheeful giver out of love. So we must test our eyes. Did you know that our eyes lead us to sin A blind man can not judge a person by looks or what they have unless their is boasting,even that is a sin and GOD will teach that person boasting about stuff a lesson somehow. The kings of Israel learned when baosting the enemy came and took it away with their armies. Be very very careful in the days we live in. TRUTH and FAITH in GOD even as little as a mustard seed will let you let go of stuff even in the flock of saints. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72518788 Brazil 07/07/2016 08:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prv 5:10 Lest strangers be filled with thy wealth; and thy labours be in the house of a stranger; Prv 13:11 Wealth gotten by vanity shall be diminished: but he that gathereth by labour shall increase. Prv 14:23 In all labour there is profit: but the talk of the lips tendeth only to penury. Prv 31:31 Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates. You are not supposed to give anything for free to lazy beggars: Prv 20:4 The sluggard will not plow by reason of the cold; therefore shall he beg in harvest, and have nothing. Of course, in case of emergency and if the person really is starving and need help, do it. If you give everything you have to the poor, you will be the poor and nobody will help you. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 71981011 United States 07/07/2016 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are another silly clown liar. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26449294 There is no blanket commandment from Christ to sell everything and give the proceeds to the poor. There were plenty of rich Christians. You are just trying to throw confusion into weak minds, not unlike your own. Where have I lied? As for being rich, one can sell most of their possessions and still be rich due to their income. |
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