Mysterious syndrome impairing astronauts’ sight, 80% affected on long-duration missions | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 939856 Canada 07/10/2016 11:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Looks like they will have to have some kind of artificial gravity now. The ship they had in the movie "The Martian" is a good precursor to what they need to have to sustain a trip to mars. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71205034 I know the physics would not allow that type of craft, but they will need to figure out a way. |
Gelatinous Mass (OP) User ID: 67046660 United States 07/10/2016 11:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Question, would a rotating outer ring that's been the popular gravity simulation in sci-fi for decades have any affect on this? Is it related to gravity at all? Could the lighting conditions and not using the full spectrum of focal distance that we would on Earth be involved? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69217778 I love that we have space agencies and now private sector space ventures filled to the brim with human smarter than I figuring this all out. At least I'm not a flat Earth believer though, those people are fucking retarded. It may very well be the solution to some of the physiological issues associated with space flight. When i was working in the space program during the early shuttle days, this was one of the methods being explored for growing crops while on orbit. One of the labs near mine was using 55 gallon drums as a test bed. They removed the lid and bottom, turned it on it's side and planted different plants in growth medium caked on the interior wall. While on it's side it was rotated about the horizontal axis with a grow lamp running down the center. Worked like a charm. Over time, all of the plants grew towards the lamp running down the center of the drum. It would be interesting to see where all of these research programs have led since that time. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 68697792 United States 07/10/2016 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are getting ready to end the ISS program. nobody believes any of this NASA crap anymore. The dude who did the last Space Station tour propaganda video was very very 4th wall-ish. They actually showed that the galley has stains. He said the toilet was disgusting. Which it would be. With out the trillions of microbes and insects that break down waste that space station would be full of dead skin, feces, urea, salt, etc. No they aren't keeping it clean with soap and water. Submarines have microbes on board. They surface and refuel regularly. But every 9 months or so they have to take all the electronics out and steam bath all crew areas. The space station is pushing on 20 years now and they have never vented the thing once. much less hose it down. they can't. there are no bulkheads between rooms. The whole purpose of the space programs is a occultist ritual our occultists leaders use to keep from throwing the bodies of us slaves against each other in meaningless wars. They take our tax money instead. They claim they are doing "science" With hillary we are going to have a major war. All the NASA people will be tasked to kill them for real programs, and high tech war propaganda. Then in 10 years. They'll fire it all back up again. Meanwhile 50% of men will continue to die from cancer. 40% of women. We will remain the highest taxed nation on earth. And the space tards will say we don't care enough about "science" because we are dumb. |
~Lumminessa~ User ID: 70334001 United States 07/10/2016 11:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | no doctor but I would imagine it has something to do with spatial use in focusing along with pressure on the eye Easing the Burden of the Mystery ... “Men argue. Nature acts.” ~Voltaire ~Stella Maris~*~Nurture Nature~ Just a Taste of Some of My Art: [link to imgur.com] [link to imgur.com] [link to imgur.com] [link to imgur.com] [link to imgur.com] [link to imgur.com] [link to imgur.com] I am not out to compete, I hope we all make it. Thread: Wild Horse Shenanigans - Management Into Extinction - UPDATED |
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Gelatinous Mass (OP) User ID: 67046660 United States 07/10/2016 11:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are getting ready to end the ISS program. nobody believes any of this NASA crap anymore. The dude who did the last Space Station tour propaganda video was very very 4th wall-ish. They actually showed that the galley has stains. He said the toilet was disgusting. Which it would be. With out the trillions of microbes and insects that break down waste that space station would be full of dead skin, feces, urea, salt, etc. No they aren't keeping it clean with soap and water. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68697792 Submarines have microbes on board. They surface and refuel regularly. But every 9 months or so they have to take all the electronics out and steam bath all crew areas. The space station is pushing on 20 years now and they have never vented the thing once. much less hose it down. they can't. there are no bulkheads between rooms. The whole purpose of the space programs is a occultist ritual our occultists leaders use to keep from throwing the bodies of us slaves against each other in meaningless wars. They take our tax money instead. They claim they are doing "science" With hillary we are going to have a major war. All the NASA people will be tasked to kill them for real programs, and high tech war propaganda. Then in 10 years. They'll fire it all back up again. Meanwhile 50% of men will continue to die from cancer. 40% of women. We will remain the highest taxed nation on earth. And the space tards will say we don't care enough about "science" because we are dumb. Please don't reproduce. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72554716 Germany 07/10/2016 11:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "During Phillips’ post-flight physical, NASA found that his vision had gone from Quoting: Gelatinous Mass 20/20 to 20/100 in six months." "The backs of his eyes had gotten flatter, pushing his retinas forward. He had choroidal folds, which are like stretch marks. His optic nerves were inflamed." [There will be no Mars trips until this is understood and can be prevented] [link to www.washingtonpost.com (secure)] Told you long time ago, Humans can't just ignore the backfrequency of 7.83 which we are born with on planet earth. Unless we find out how to connect us to it while we are in space there will be no mars mission ... maybe a fake one. Only way to do it atm is to alter your genes or a chip in your brain. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46305016 United States 07/10/2016 11:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Until they event some type of gravity generator that can duplicate earth gravity uniformly without issue, space should be left to just unmanned robotics. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2314202 With the left of sophistication and AI no point in subjecting humans to the effects of zero g at this point. Gravity is merely a force. It can be simulated with the centrifugal force. A cylinder spinning at a given speed can simulate earth's gravity. |
darth User ID: 70183558 United States 07/10/2016 11:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Retired aerospace engineer here. It has been clear to me for a long time that we will need artificial gravity a la rotating spacecraft for long missions. The bone loss alone is a show stopper not to mention that the cosmic ray bombardment will kill a lot of crew on multi year missions. I proposed using a cycling space station that uses an asteroid for shielding mass. Such a cycling space station could be entirely self contained growing food, renewing oxygen, etc. The explorers would use a smaller craft to dock as it passed Earth and a capsule to land on Mars. Credit goes to Buzz Aldrin who proposed something similar a generation before me. I have to admit that I think it is a mistake to land humans on Mars. We will contaminate the hell out of it with our microbes. I had the opportunity to meet with the Allen Hills meteorite scientists. They had strong evidence that they did not publish that showed life on Mars. Mars is a pretty hostile environment as well with peroxides on the surface. They ate the seals out of some early probes. Nasty stuff to bring back into the airlock on your suit. I am an asteroid advocate. We need colonies such as Gerard O'Neill envisioned to exploit the mineral riches of space. Ad astra. |
Gelatinous Mass (OP) User ID: 67046660 United States 07/10/2016 11:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sure we do. The same things was said about undersea exploration. We just have technical and physiological hurdles to overcome. Just like Kennedy stated: "We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard." He went on to say that; "In the future, only poorly educated dumbshits, Millennials and effeminate snowflake fanboys will doubt the accomplishment of spaceflight. Though I will be long gone, my suggestion is that they be prevented from reproducing at all cost, and eradicated from the population as quickly as the law will allow." Smart guy. |
Troller Durden User ID: 63642413 United States 07/10/2016 11:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Retired aerospace engineer here. Quoting: darth 70183558 It has been clear to me for a long time that we will need artificial gravity a la rotating spacecraft for long missions. The bone loss alone is a show stopper not to mention that the cosmic ray bombardment will kill a lot of crew on multi year missions. I proposed using a cycling space station that uses an asteroid for shielding mass. Such a cycling space station could be entirely self contained growing food, renewing oxygen, etc. The explorers would use a smaller craft to dock as it passed Earth and a capsule to land on Mars. Credit goes to Buzz Aldrin who proposed something similar a generation before me. I have to admit that I think it is a mistake to land humans on Mars. We will contaminate the hell out of it with our microbes. I had the opportunity to meet with the Allen Hills meteorite scientists. They had strong evidence that they did not publish that showed life on Mars. Mars is a pretty hostile environment as well with peroxides on the surface. They ate the seals out of some early probes. Nasty stuff to bring back into the airlock on your suit. I am an asteroid advocate. We need colonies such as Gerard O'Neill envisioned to exploit the mineral riches of space. Ad astra. Cool,... a rational post. Nice. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72554716 Germany 07/10/2016 11:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Retired aerospace engineer here. Quoting: darth 70183558 It has been clear to me for a long time that we will need artificial gravity a la rotating spacecraft for long missions. The bone loss alone is a show stopper not to mention that the cosmic ray bombardment will kill a lot of crew on multi year missions. I proposed using a cycling space station that uses an asteroid for shielding mass. Such a cycling space station could be entirely self contained growing food, renewing oxygen, etc. The explorers would use a smaller craft to dock as it passed Earth and a capsule to land on Mars. Credit goes to Buzz Aldrin who proposed something similar a generation before me. I have to admit that I think it is a mistake to land humans on Mars. We will contaminate the hell out of it with our microbes. I had the opportunity to meet with the Allen Hills meteorite scientists. They had strong evidence that they did not publish that showed life on Mars. Mars is a pretty hostile environment as well with peroxides on the surface. They ate the seals out of some early probes. Nasty stuff to bring back into the airlock on your suit. I am an asteroid advocate. We need colonies such as Gerard O'Neill envisioned to exploit the mineral riches of space. Ad astra. You can't grow living cells without the 7.83 hz magnetic field they born with. You fall for the propaganda they are telling us. Fractal geometry and the network of it everywhere is the fact that unless we start live in sync with nature we won't make if very far. |
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Gelatinous Mass (OP) User ID: 67046660 United States 07/10/2016 11:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Retired aerospace engineer here. Quoting: darth 70183558 It has been clear to me for a long time that we will need artificial gravity a la rotating spacecraft for long missions. The bone loss alone is a show stopper not to mention that the cosmic ray bombardment will kill a lot of crew on multi year missions. I proposed using a cycling space station that uses an asteroid for shielding mass. Such a cycling space station could be entirely self contained growing food, renewing oxygen, etc. The explorers would use a smaller craft to dock as it passed Earth and a capsule to land on Mars. Credit goes to Buzz Aldrin who proposed something similar a generation before me. I have to admit that I think it is a mistake to land humans on Mars. We will contaminate the hell out of it with our microbes. I had the opportunity to meet with the Allen Hills meteorite scientists. They had strong evidence that they did not publish that showed life on Mars. Mars is a pretty hostile environment as well with peroxides on the surface. They ate the seals out of some early probes. Nasty stuff to bring back into the airlock on your suit. I am an asteroid advocate. We need colonies such as Gerard O'Neill envisioned to exploit the mineral riches of space. Ad astra. You can't grow living cells without the 7.83 hz magnetic field they born with. You fall for the propaganda they are telling us. Fractal geometry and the network of it everywhere is the fact that unless we start live in sync with nature we won't make if very far. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 68697792 United States 07/11/2016 12:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you know what the live feed of earth from the ISS goes down every 30 minutes or so, for 15 minutes? But the live feed of any whorhols grave never goes down? Its because NASA has to load the new CGI roll with current weather patterns. on earth. Why do they have to do that? Because some people noticed that there were things like typhoons and hurricane that should have been visible from space, but were not in the old feed. |
The Comedian :( User ID: 72555003 United States 07/11/2016 12:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are getting ready to end the ISS program. nobody believes any of this NASA crap anymore. The dude who did the last Space Station tour propaganda video was very very 4th wall-ish. They actually showed that the galley has stains. He said the toilet was disgusting. Which it would be. With out the trillions of microbes and insects that break down waste that space station would be full of dead skin, feces, urea, salt, etc. No they aren't keeping it clean with soap and water. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68697792 Submarines have microbes on board. They surface and refuel regularly. But every 9 months or so they have to take all the electronics out and steam bath all crew areas. The space station is pushing on 20 years now and they have never vented the thing once. much less hose it down. they can't. there are no bulkheads between rooms. The whole purpose of the space programs is a occultist ritual our occultists leaders use to keep from throwing the bodies of us slaves against each other in meaningless wars. They take our tax money instead. They claim they are doing "science" With hillary we are going to have a major war. All the NASA people will be tasked to kill them for real programs, and high tech war propaganda. Then in 10 years. They'll fire it all back up again. Meanwhile 50% of men will continue to die from cancer. 40% of women. We will remain the highest taxed nation on earth. And the space tards will say we don't care enough about "science" because we are dumb. Please don't reproduce. No shit. Saint Comedian, Patron Saint of Bringing the Butthurt to Dipshits ‘There are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.’ - General Mattis, USMC, Secretary of Defense [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] "Subterfuge and social pressure are the wheel and fire of the 21st century" - Some asshole Legal Disclaimer: All comments are intended as humor and/or fiction and not advice, and not to be confused with any event or person, living or dead. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71733187 United States 07/11/2016 12:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Retired aerospace engineer here. Quoting: darth 70183558 It has been clear to me for a long time that we will need artificial gravity a la rotating spacecraft for long missions. The bone loss alone is a show stopper not to mention that the cosmic ray bombardment will kill a lot of crew on multi year missions. I proposed using a cycling space station that uses an asteroid for shielding mass. Such a cycling space station could be entirely self contained growing food, renewing oxygen, etc. The explorers would use a smaller craft to dock as it passed Earth and a capsule to land on Mars. Credit goes to Buzz Aldrin who proposed something similar a generation before me. I have to admit that I think it is a mistake to land humans on Mars. We will contaminate the hell out of it with our microbes. I had the opportunity to meet with the Allen Hills meteorite scientists. They had strong evidence that they did not publish that showed life on Mars. Mars is a pretty hostile environment as well with peroxides on the surface. They ate the seals out of some early probes. Nasty stuff to bring back into the airlock on your suit. I am an asteroid advocate. We need colonies such as Gerard O'Neill envisioned to exploit the mineral riches of space. Ad astra. Can humans pass the van Allen radiation belt without physical harm? I've read that this is a problem and even a NASA astronaut said it was a problem. I have no idea and am not convinced we ever had people above high earth orbit. Anything you can share would be great. |
The Comedian :( User ID: 72555003 United States 07/11/2016 12:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Retired aerospace engineer here. Quoting: darth 70183558 It has been clear to me for a long time that we will need artificial gravity a la rotating spacecraft for long missions. The bone loss alone is a show stopper not to mention that the cosmic ray bombardment will kill a lot of crew on multi year missions. I proposed using a cycling space station that uses an asteroid for shielding mass. Such a cycling space station could be entirely self contained growing food, renewing oxygen, etc. The explorers would use a smaller craft to dock as it passed Earth and a capsule to land on Mars. Credit goes to Buzz Aldrin who proposed something similar a generation before me. I have to admit that I think it is a mistake to land humans on Mars. We will contaminate the hell out of it with our microbes. I had the opportunity to meet with the Allen Hills meteorite scientists. They had strong evidence that they did not publish that showed life on Mars. Mars is a pretty hostile environment as well with peroxides on the surface. They ate the seals out of some early probes. Nasty stuff to bring back into the airlock on your suit. I am an asteroid advocate. We need colonies such as Gerard O'Neill envisioned to exploit the mineral riches of space. Ad astra. You can't grow living cells without the 7.83 hz magnetic field they born with. You fall for the propaganda they are telling us. Fractal geometry and the network of it everywhere is the fact that unless we start live in sync with nature we won't make if very far. Dude, start deleting these fucking idiots. They are pooping on the carpet of your otherwise excellent thread. Saint Comedian, Patron Saint of Bringing the Butthurt to Dipshits ‘There are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.’ - General Mattis, USMC, Secretary of Defense [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] "Subterfuge and social pressure are the wheel and fire of the 21st century" - Some asshole Legal Disclaimer: All comments are intended as humor and/or fiction and not advice, and not to be confused with any event or person, living or dead. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72189813 United States 07/11/2016 12:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We pin all ball earther shill astro-NOT threads so we know who you are Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70365650 Like Brad Pitt marking the not sees in inglorious bastards Will you please die? Thanks. Interesting OP. So, this must be due to nutrient distribution changes caused by zero gravity. No real problem for a Mars mission cuz centripetal force will be used to create artificial gravity in a spinning habitation section of the craft. Now, if the problem is actually due to electromagnetic radiation, more shielding will be the answer. The amount of shielding to get out of the Van-Allen belts with given technologies would make your spacecraft not able to get out of the atmosphere with any propellant we have disclosed as yet to sheep. Sure, humans have traveled galaxies away but that has nothing to do with NASA or any stupid spacecraft we see on teevee. We are no further along (publicly) today than we were when sputnik hit orbit, and that is on purpose. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 68697792 United States 07/11/2016 12:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is a NASA video of the Spacelab program, which was the predecessor of the current ISS. They had the centrifugal gravity ring. They had a regular sit/squat toilets and a shower. The astronauts did regular exercise and that did not affect the orbit. They did a lot of work around the visuals in the space station to prevent the astronauts eyes and inner ears from degrading like mentioned by OP. It seems the engineering back then was better than what we have right now. In the current ISS they are in some sort of bizzaro world. It would make sense that the eyes/ears/brains would try to overcompensate. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72555053 Mexico 07/11/2016 12:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yeah, they have trouble seeing their own lies. space missions are a hoax. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68457039 After just six months exposure in space, astronauts' vision is severly affected yet they went to the moon and back and show signs of only regular dvision degredation found in people their age... Mars mission and moon missions are nothing more than the usual money grab through tax payer funding, kubrick was right |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59985120 United States 07/11/2016 12:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good idea on tge asteroid thought. I live elon, but mars is 100% no go. Cosmic rays, sokar flares, no gravity, time. Rocket all you want but its just nearly impossible without a ship moving 10x faster, needs magnetic shielding like a personal magnetoshere. Plus rotation or other gravity form. We dont have public craft for these types of shows, however im sure our secret space society go there on the reg. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72189813 United States 07/11/2016 12:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is a NASA video of the Spacelab program, which was the predecessor of the current ISS. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68697792 They had the centrifugal gravity ring. They had a regular sit/squat toilets and a shower. The astronauts did regular exercise and that did not affect the orbit. They did a lot of work around the visuals in the space station to prevent the astronauts eyes and inner ears from degrading like mentioned by OP. It seems the engineering back then was better than what we have right now. In the current ISS they are in some sort of bizzaro world. It would make sense that the eyes/ears/brains would try to overcompensate. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Spacelab was actually pretty genuine (which is why it didn't last long) - most likely out of guilt over Apollo fakery. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72519460 Greece 07/11/2016 12:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "During Phillips’ post-flight physical, NASA found that his vision had gone from Quoting: Gelatinous Mass 20/20 to 20/100 in six months." Next time you hear an astronaut disclosure, like "Astronaut X reveales he saw this and that while he participated in mission Y", you know NASA has the proper cover story to put their testimony under doubt: "Ah well, it's known that astronauts in space have deteriorating eyesight - so it was probably their optical nerves misfiring..." |
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