Scarecrow in Wizard of Oz Has a Gun? Mandela Effect? Or..."He Always Had a Gun!" | |
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Apollonius User ID: 68558381 United States 07/13/2016 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This film has been modified to run in the allotted time slot and to fit this screen......no telling how many versions have been shown on TV since it began showing in the 50s. I never saw the deleted gun scene till I was researching the supposed hanging in the background, several yeas ago. It took DVD AND YOUTUBE TO BRING THESE DELETED SCENES TO LIGHT..... Here's another....I could swear the flag only had 13 stars.....its been Mandela changed and I won't hear any arguments about it;-) |
David SoMo (OP) User ID: 59792312 United States 07/13/2016 08:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was filmed in technicolor. Cognitive dissonance my ass. Now I'm out. Quoting: Apollonius 68558381 Excuse me, I'm 54 and I saw it the first time on broadcast TV in the summer of '69. I must have seen it 100 times over the years with the kids. Oz was in color, but the rest was in black and white. There was never any gun being held by Scarecrow. Why so aggravated about this? Also, as far as Forrest Gump goes, we have a copy on dvd and on the back is this quote from the movie: "Life is like a box of chocolates." So it was not a phonetic mis-heard thing. ;-) (OP's other half) |
David SoMo (OP) User ID: 59792312 United States 07/13/2016 08:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I actually don't remember them having ANY "Tools" given to them by the Wizard... Quoting: EverythingIsAwesome Same here. Because it wasn’t in the final cut of the movie. Okay, so why do so many oldtimers remember the "deleted" scenes being in the movie? I see them saying "Yes, Scarecrow always had a gun." However, that's not how I remember it at all. The first time I saw it was in 1969 and I have seen it at least 100 times over the years. Scarecrow never had a gun. That's the weird part. (OP's other half) |
Fluffy Pancakes (OP) User ID: 59792312 United States 07/13/2016 08:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes The colors or lack of such aren't an issue for me at all. We didn't get a color tv until the mid 80's, so the first couple of times I saw this movie, regardless of technicolor filming process, it was all in black and white. The only issue is whether or not the Scarecrow had a gun, the Tin Man had a wrench, and the lion had a insect sprayer or not. If there are two versions out there, can one of you find a link to that information and post it? I did a quick search on duckduck and found that there were five versions for TV, but only one for sale otherwise. Anyone? Links? I tried to get the guy who owns the beta-max to post images of his version but when I pointed out that Phenom and another poster had VHS copies without the gun he accused me of being a butt-hurt snowflake and left. LOL! That made me chuckle. Phenom posted images from her version a few pages back. I'm interested in seeing the footage too. It could put this topic to rest if we could see side by side two different versions. Butt hurt snowflake....LOL! What I need to see is proof that there were or are two different film versions for sale for home viewing. That would settle it for me. I know I never saw the gun, etc on the TV versions, and I never saw the gun on our home version. If there are two versions for home then all of this could be normal variance and not Mandela Effect at all. And I wouldn't be butt hurt over it! Get a DVD with the story of the films making in the extras. You will see the scene there. As far as I know the movie has only one final version and that is the one that has been seen since the beginning. So you are saying this scene was deleted, and there is only one movie version for home. Correct? So, does the home version have the scene with the Scarecrow with a gun? Things are bad enough, there is no need to make anything up. ~Fluffy "Never interrupt an enemy in the process of destroying himself." Quercitin and zinc...Get it. Take it. Visit howbad.info...If you took the shot, for sure. |
David SoMo (OP) User ID: 59792312 United States 07/13/2016 09:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Please for the love of all that is holy google "images for credits of wizard of oz". Technicolor is a filming process not a colorizing process. Why dudnt turner colorized the whole mfer if he colorized it and left the first 15 black and white....?????? Duhhhhh Quoting: Apollonius 68558381 I don't have an argument with the film being shot in technicolor, but it was also shot in black and white... in the same movie. The beginning of the film everything was black and white until Dorothy arrives in Oz. Do you disagree? (Fluffy Pancakes' other half) |
David SoMo (OP) User ID: 59792312 United States 07/13/2016 09:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FORREST GUMP: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72573279 Why would he use 'was' in the past tense of talking about a box of chocolates? Just to then go on and say that 'you never know what you're going to GET'. Get, not 'got'. That doesn't even make sense. It was 'is'. Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. Good point. (OP's other half) |
Apollonius User ID: 68558381 United States 07/13/2016 09:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Please for the love of all that is holy google "images for credits of wizard of oz". Technicolor is a filming process not a colorizing process. Why dudnt turner colorized the whole mfer if he colorized it and left the first 15 black and white....?????? Duhhhhh Quoting: Apollonius 68558381 I don't have an argument with the film being shot in technicolor, but it was also shot in black and white... in the same movie. The beginning of the film everything was black and white until Dorothy arrives in Oz. Do you disagree? (Fluffy Pancakes' other half) Thank you. My reason for agitation is that I thought you were saying that the whole movie was in black and white. Apologies |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70824227 United States 07/13/2016 09:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I watched the clip and I don't remember the Tin Man carrying two 'weapons'. He only had an ax as I recall. In the clip he is carrying what looks to be a large wrench too! this ^^^^. I noticed that right off the bat. I don't recall him carrying a vastly oversized pipe wrench.....just an ax, as he was a woodsman. what was he supposed to do with it, fix the plumbing the wicked witch's castle? |
Ah Duh User ID: 68876286 United States 07/14/2016 12:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I watched the clip and I don't remember the Tin Man carrying two 'weapons'. He only had an ax as I recall. In the clip he is carrying what looks to be a large wrench too! this ^^^^. I noticed that right off the bat. I don't recall him carrying a vastly oversized pipe wrench.....just an ax, as he was a woodsman. what was he supposed to do with it, fix the plumbing the wicked witch's castle? Wow , just looked at 2 different versions of Oz and the both have the gun and the wrench. The 70th Anniversary edition and one from a few years earlier.They both say they are the original 1939 cut restored IE as in the one that was on TV over the years. |
The Mighty Thor Mostly lurking these days User ID: 24773028 United States 07/14/2016 12:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There was a really good post on red.......dit recently explaining the quality of the home releases and how you might not have ever noticed the gun because it was so washed out or damaged, and that's also what made the backdrops look better. In the newer releases, where everything is all cleaned up, the backdrops look......like backdrops. Too clean. There are tons of examples of the washout in the second link, including the actual scene here: [link to www.moviestillsdb.com] --------------------------------------- Go here for the post - [link to www.red........dit.com] You'll have to remove the extra periods since you can't link there for some reason. Post is halfway down the page, author is ninaplays. Combine that with my Jitterbug post earlier......makes sense to me. Last Edited by mattisfactory on 07/14/2016 12:51 AM "Stupidity is not a reason that you're going to be innocent." "When you open your hearts to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice." "Americans are dreamers, too." |
strgzr User ID: 72575834 United States 07/14/2016 01:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I actually don't remember them having ANY "Tools" given to them by the Wizard... Quoting: EverythingIsAwesome Same here. Because it wasn’t in the final cut of the movie. Okay, so why do so many oldtimers remember the "deleted" scenes being in the movie? I see them saying "Yes, Scarecrow always had a gun." However, that's not how I remember it at all. The first time I saw it was in 1969 and I have seen it at least 100 times over the years. Scarecrow never had a gun. That's the weird part. (OP's other half) In the movie he doesn’t have a gun. The scene was filmed and the scene can be seen as an out take in the extras on DVD’s. Like most movies a lot more is filmed than they need for the movie. The Wizard of Oz was under pressure from the studio to trim the length and that was one of the scenes that didn’t make it. If someone says that the scene with the Scarecrow Tin man and Lion with weapons in the final cut they are wrong. As far as color vs black and white. The beginning of the movie till Dorothy opens the door in Munchkin land was filmed in sepia. Later this was changed to black and white. Once the door is open everything is in color. That was one of the notable things about the movie from the beginning. I saw the movie maybe ten times before I knew any of it was in color. Since then I must have seen it 100 plus times. About 5 years ago I bought the DVD remastered with the extras. I watch it at least once a year, usually 2 or 3 times. :) |
strgzr User ID: 72575834 United States 07/14/2016 01:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: New Age Scam Artist I tried to get the guy who owns the beta-max to post images of his version but when I pointed out that Phenom and another poster had VHS copies without the gun he accused me of being a butt-hurt snowflake and left. LOL! That made me chuckle. Phenom posted images from her version a few pages back. I'm interested in seeing the footage too. It could put this topic to rest if we could see side by side two different versions. Butt hurt snowflake....LOL! What I need to see is proof that there were or are two different film versions for sale for home viewing. That would settle it for me. I know I never saw the gun, etc on the TV versions, and I never saw the gun on our home version. If there are two versions for home then all of this could be normal variance and not Mandela Effect at all. And I wouldn't be butt hurt over it! Get a DVD with the story of the films making in the extras. You will see the scene there. As far as I know the movie has only one final version and that is the one that has been seen since the beginning. So you are saying this scene was deleted, and there is only one movie version for home. Correct? So, does the home version have the scene with the Scarecrow with a gun? Not in the movie. It has never been. But that scene has been around and available for awhile. :) |
strgzr User ID: 72575834 United States 07/14/2016 01:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Please for the love of all that is holy google "images for credits of wizard of oz". Technicolor is a filming process not a colorizing process. Why dudnt turner colorized the whole mfer if he colorized it and left the first 15 black and white....?????? Duhhhhh Quoting: Apollonius 68558381 I don't have an argument with the film being shot in technicolor, but it was also shot in black and white... in the same movie. The beginning of the film everything was black and white until Dorothy arrives in Oz. Do you disagree? (Fluffy Pancakes' other half) Till she arrives in munchkin land, not Oz. Then color. :) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71944486 United States 07/14/2016 01:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FORREST GUMP: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72573279 Why would he use 'was' in the past tense of talking about a box of chocolates? Just to then go on and say that 'you never know what you're going to GET'. Get, not 'got'. That doesn't even make sense. It was 'is'. Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get. Mama always said (past tense) that life was (same tense) like a box of chocolates. You never know what your gonna get. If life 'was' like a box of chocolates, you would be using 'got', as the past tense of get. If life 'is' like a box of chocolates, 'get' would be the correct usage. Even if mama, is in the past tense as 'mama always said'. |
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The Mighty Thor Mostly lurking these days User ID: 24773028 United States 07/14/2016 07:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Please for the love of all that is holy google "images for credits of wizard of oz". Technicolor is a filming process not a colorizing process. Why dudnt turner colorized the whole mfer if he colorized it and left the first 15 black and white....?????? Duhhhhh Quoting: Apollonius 68558381 I don't have an argument with the film being shot in technicolor, but it was also shot in black and white... in the same movie. The beginning of the film everything was black and white until Dorothy arrives in Oz. Do you disagree? (Fluffy Pancakes' other half) Till she arrives in munchkin land, not Oz. Then color. Munchkinland is part of Oz. "Stupidity is not a reason that you're going to be innocent." "When you open your hearts to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice." "Americans are dreamers, too." |
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LadyJayne User ID: 71188120 United States 07/14/2016 07:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't remember the scarecrow having a gun, but I'm not the biggest fan of Wizard of Oz. Is that the only scene he has it in? Does he pick it up along the movie somewhere? I remember them using an oil tin to lube up the tin man, does it resemble the oil tin at all? Very bizarre. Quoting: New Age Scam Artist I am a HUGE fan. This is FAKE. LadyJayne |
Fluffy Pancakes (OP) User ID: 59792312 United States 07/14/2016 08:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP is 54 lol like most mandelians , mandella effect shows how in modern times you can make fools out of people faster than before with internet , you can't debunk mandela effect because you are from other timeline lmao Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61046815 OP's other half is 54. People that have trouble reading don't get to be condescending with any dignity. Things are bad enough, there is no need to make anything up. ~Fluffy "Never interrupt an enemy in the process of destroying himself." Quercitin and zinc...Get it. Take it. Visit howbad.info...If you took the shot, for sure. |
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Fluffy Pancakes (OP) User ID: 59792312 United States 07/14/2016 08:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I watched the clip and I don't remember the Tin Man carrying two 'weapons'. He only had an ax as I recall. In the clip he is carrying what looks to be a large wrench too! this ^^^^. I noticed that right off the bat. I don't recall him carrying a vastly oversized pipe wrench.....just an ax, as he was a woodsman. what was he supposed to do with it, fix the plumbing the wicked witch's castle? Wow , just looked at 2 different versions of Oz and the both have the gun and the wrench. The 70th Anniversary edition and one from a few years earlier.They both say they are the original 1939 cut restored IE as in the one that was on TV over the years. Okay. So then we have Phenom who said the VHS copy she watched has NO GUN, no wrench and no insecticide sprayer. She posted pics of the scene, and that is exactly what I, and many others, recall of the movie. You, and a couple of others, have watched their copies and report that there IS a gun, and were the wrench and sprayer there as well? Someone is saying we just didn't notice the gun because it was grainy, and I will give that the gun is small and kind of dark, but the wrench and the sprayer are not things one would miss because of a bit of graininess in the film. So that isn't holding up to scrutiny. There were 5 different (edited) versions for television airing.But we aren't talking about those here, just the actual film as you can purchase it for your home viewing. And all available evidence shows there is only ONE version for home viewing. I could readily believe the scene in question was a deleted scene, but NOW it looks like the deleted scene is in the movie. Additionally, many people are reporting that the scene in question WAS ALWAYS in the movie. But Phenom's VHS shows no gun, wrench, or sprayer. SO, if it is now in the dvd's of the movie, not in the one working VHS we have reported and documented here, is this a ME? Seems like sloppy enough changes to be one, imo. Things are bad enough, there is no need to make anything up. ~Fluffy "Never interrupt an enemy in the process of destroying himself." Quercitin and zinc...Get it. Take it. Visit howbad.info...If you took the shot, for sure. |
The Mighty Thor Mostly lurking these days User ID: 24773028 United States 07/14/2016 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay. So then we have Phenom who said the VHS copy she watched has NO GUN, no wrench and no insecticide sprayer. She posted pics of the scene, and that is exactly what I, and many others, recall of the movie. Quoting: Fluffy Pancakes I could readily believe the scene in question was a deleted scene, but NOW it looks like the deleted scene is in the movie. Additionally, many people are reporting that the scene in question WAS ALWAYS in the movie. But Phenom's VHS shows no gun, wrench, or sprayer. SO, if it is now in the dvd's of the movie, not in the one working VHS we have reported and documented here, is this a ME? Seems like sloppy enough changes to be one, imo. The pictures that Phenom posted appear to be from when they meet the Cowardly Lion. Two of them don't have him in the picture at all, and in the third one, they're all singing with linked arms. That's before they even meet the wizard and arm themselves. "Stupidity is not a reason that you're going to be innocent." "When you open your hearts to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice." "Americans are dreamers, too." |
The Mighty Thor Mostly lurking these days User ID: 24773028 United States 07/14/2016 11:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not to mention, you can see them on the Yellow Brick Road. There is no brick road in the haunted forest. "Stupidity is not a reason that you're going to be innocent." "When you open your hearts to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice." "Americans are dreamers, too." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72553650 United States 07/15/2016 01:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The gun seems weird, but the giant wrench no way I never saw that. As for the color thing I remember my Grandmother who was born in 1925 said she saw it in the theatre when it was first released and that the audience was amazed by the color change. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72205328 United States 07/17/2016 03:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It isn't time travel and it isn't magic. It's actually a different concept and explains why some remember certain things and others do not. Think of it as an episode of Fringe...if you ever watched it...where two earths are coming together and some of the stuff from one earth crosses over to other earth. Instead of stuff, it's people. But no one really remembers it happening physically, even though a few years back many people were being treated for dizziness, vertigo and tinnitus...most people won't remember that, but I do, because I work in the medical industry. We had a lot of cases. Now what if, someone or something messed with the quantum field or the magnetic field or created a tear in the fabric...pulling us together. But only ONE earth won out. So now we have people who died on one earth, alive. Hence, the Mandela Effect. But take it one step further: since we are now on your earth, those with alternate memories would have ONLY their memories as proof. THIS EARTH won the pull...so it would be logical that books/films/recorded history would mirror what YOU remember because it is ultimately YOUR reality. Which is why we can't explain it to anyone not being affected. We can only tell you that stuff is changing...and you laugh and call a great deal of people tards. But the truth is, things are different. And it isn't merely memory slips. Yesterday I was thinking about the parallel earth from Fringe and I'm trying to figure it out in which one of them I am now. We are all on this earth now...but you probably want to know which one you are from. Look around you. Is this place normal to you? Everything going on all over the planet currently, is it normal? Is it right side up or upside down? If yes, then you are from this earth. If no, then welcome to my club. This place it's not normal for me. Geographically, New Zealand it's not in its place. In 2009 I remember when I search where exactly is Christchurch city when I tried to decode something. English is my 5th language and I learned a lot from movies and music (many times like a "parrot"). I remember "Luke, I'm your father", "Sex In the City", Interview With A Vampire. 52 stars in US flag, 4 seats in JFK car, Mandela died many years before, Peter O'Tool died 1 year before. I never heard about Berenstain/Berenstein before, so I don't know. To many stupid people, to many with no respect, no morals and no class. The low-lifers are privilegiates...etc. This world is upside down. People now are not so smart, 52 stars in US flag WTF? Is that a typo? |