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Suicide by cop. The bad guy's fault, not the cops.
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^more garbage
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"He could have shot them so fast they wouldn't have had time to react."

That's 100% absolute bsflag

How could he have shot them? They had their guns already trained on him, 2 cops! You're garbage!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70742892


I love how you resort to calling me garbage.

If it was a black kid, you'd probably be the first one justifying the officers actions. (I AM WHITE)

I've been shooting guns since I was 6, in one swift motion I could release fire pulling a gun from behind my back and wound at the very least 2 of the 3 before they could kill me.

At this point I will agree to disagree with you, clearly we both have different opinions on this particular argument.

I'd love to hear what you said about the Alton shooting. (they weren't 100% sure what was in his pocket either)
 Quoting: Oldmotherhubbard

you're justifying them breaking the law and murdering. you are garbage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70742892

Yet you failed to answer my last statement.
You also fail at simple reading comprehension.
I said the fatal blow from the shotgun WAS NOT justified.
Until you can have a civilized conversation, you can stop quoting and responding to me. If you're trying to get me to stoop to a level of name calling, you'll fail miserably.
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The reason he could have drawn and shot the cops before they shot him is because ACTION BEATS REACTION. It's a simple concept and 100% true.
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Just need opinions here. I personally don't think he should have been killed. No weapons were found on his body. June 25
 Quoting: Lioness and cubs


WTF! The police of years past needed to know 100% that a suspect had a weapon and was going to use it before they could resort to lethal force!

What kind of training is going on where the mere suspicion that someone has a weapon justifies the use of deadly force?

The law enforcement community in this country needs to revisit how things use to be 20 to 30 years ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71075478


Same stuff happened 20-30 years ago. Even more, possibly. There just weren't cameras to record events like this. A throw down gun was not uncommon either.

Now we have cameras and Tasers, and have eliminated billy clubs and slap jacks.

Ones perspective generally begins the day they are born. To go beyond that, one must study history.

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I love how you resort to calling me garbage.

If it was a black kid, you'd probably be the first one justifying the officers actions. (I AM WHITE)

I've been shooting guns since I was 6, in one swift motion I could release fire pulling a gun from behind my back and wound at the very least 2 of the 3 before they could kill me.

At this point I will agree to disagree with you, clearly we both have different opinions on this particular argument.

I'd love to hear what you said about the Alton shooting. (they weren't 100% sure what was in his pocket either)
 Quoting: Oldmotherhubbard

you're justifying them breaking the law and murdering. you are garbage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70742892

Yet you failed to answer my last statement.
You also fail at simple reading comprehension.
I said the fatal blow from the shotgun WAS NOT justified.
Until you can have a civilized conversation, you can stop quoting and responding to me. If you're trying to get me to stoop to a level of name calling, you'll fail miserably.
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The reason he could have drawn and shot the cops before they shot him is because ACTION BEATS REACTION. It's a simple concept and 100% true.
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norespect pulling their finger takes a lot of reaction. Idiot.
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This thread demonstrates whats wrong with society. Murder???? Bullshit.

Go deal with non compliant people who act like there armed and see how you go.

That stupid fuckwit acted like he was armed when presented with firearms. So he got shot. He continued to act while he was armed and got shot again. Fuck him.

If you act like an armed fuckwit with the police then irrespective of race your going to get shot.

This what happens when everyone can be armed. Deal with it.

Or perhaps you could stay out of trouble.

Wait till droid technology kicks in. Welcome to prime time then mofos.
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This thread demonstrates whats wrong with society. Murder???? Bullshit.

Go deal with non compliant people who act like there armed and see how you go.

That stupid fuckwit acted like he was armed when presented with firearms. So he got shot. He continued to act while he was armed and got shot again. Fuck him.

If you act like an armed fuckwit with the police then irrespective of race your going to get shot.

This what happens when everyone can be armed. Deal with it.

Or perhaps you could stay out of trouble.

Wait till droid technology kicks in. Welcome to prime time then mofos.
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iamwith condoning them shooting him when no deadly force is seen? You're condoning murder
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This thread demonstrates whats wrong with society. Murder???? Bullshit.

Go deal with non compliant people who act like there armed and see how you go.

That stupid fuckwit acted like he was armed when presented with firearms. So he got shot. He continued to act while he was armed and got shot again. Fuck him.

If you act like an armed fuckwit with the police then irrespective of race your going to get shot.

This what happens when everyone can be armed. Deal with it.

Or perhaps you could stay out of trouble.

Wait till droid technology kicks in. Welcome to prime time then mofos.
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hey retard did you watch the video?? tell me one fucking time those cops were in danger? Fuck him? Fuck you. THE KID DID NOTHING WRONG.
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Just need opinions here. I personally don't think he should have been killed. No weapons were found on his body. June 25
 Quoting: Lioness and cubs


WTF! The police of years past needed to know 100% that a suspect had a weapon and was going to use it before they could resort to lethal force!

What kind of training is going on where the mere suspicion that someone has a weapon justifies the use of deadly force?

The law enforcement community in this country needs to revisit how things use to be 20 to 30 years ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71075478


Same stuff happened 20-30 years ago. Even more, possibly. There just weren't cameras to record events like this. A throw down gun was not uncommon either.

Now we have cameras and Tasers, and have eliminated billy clubs and slap jacks.

Ones perspective generally begins the day they are born. To go beyond that, one must study history.

cheers
 Quoting: Maguyver


cops couldn't start with lethal force could they?? I mean sure cops have been killing since the beginning, but we had laws, atleast I thought we did that you had to shoot in the arm. this RoE change is relatively new. cops are cowards now so scared they shoot unarmed civilians that BROKE NO LAWS. Cops act like they are in a warzone. Just like IDF and you know what?? Now every US citizen is a terrorist to this broken corrupt system.
Just read some of these comments supporting this murder. Not one time were those cops in danger, not even a little. When that cop with the shotgun shoots the kid as he is on the ground unable to breath from being shot 3 times in the torso. Still is so fucking scared and cowardly he has to shoot. TELL ME THAT IS NOT FUCKED UP.
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Are the cops retards or what? The man is shot two times in the torso, is lying on the ground in death throws, and they pop Another bullet in him for not "obeying"?? When he was lying on the ground, BOTH his (empty) hands were clearly visible.

Plain murder.

The first two shots are questionable as well. Three or more officers had their guns pointed at him. Even if he did produce a gun from his back, they would have had the time to shoot before he would have had the chance to fire it.

Why even send to police school to learn tactics to de-escalate sitautions? Just hand any random guy a gun and tell him to walk around and stop crime.

I wonder how many innocent sick people that get shot in the US? Diabetics with hypoglycemia often behaves like they are on drugs, not understanding a Word anyone says. Or what about people with neurological disorders that can not thorw themselves fast enough to the ground or put their hands in the air?

FFS, they shot the guy one more (someone said they also shot him with a shotgun after the third round) time when he OBVIOUSLY did not pose any threat whatsoever, he was probably already dying on the ground!

If these cops don't get what they deserve for this, it is game over.

A drug addict/sucidal idiot or not, the last shot(s) was murder.
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Couldn't have said it better myself!
Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!

Oh,and screw tepco & the V.A.



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It's so weird....the cops have made it very clear that their job is no longer a "serve and protect" kind of occupation. Okay, so I get that. But this being true, then what IS the job of the police? Way back when, cops were trained to THINK a situation through...it wasn't "okay" to instantly shoot to kill based on a hunch that a person has a weapon. This could be true of ANYBODY just strolling down the street who happens to have an attitude. I've seen videos of two or more cops taking out a guy because he brandished a KNIFE as if shooting the guy dead was their ONLY option. What the fuck is going on here? What is the purpose of the police if they don't have to serve and protect or care if they kill innocent people? What is the purpose? Is all of this supposed to make me feel safe?
 Quoting: thepatrioticgirl


Cops have 2 jobs.

1.) Generating Revenue
2.) Intimidation of the people

They never really protected or served anything other than government control.
 Quoting: Chip


Very good point. That would explain why they have short fuses with the citizens. Their jobs is really to protect the government and it's like they suddenly woke up after 911/iraq and realized this. Now when they have to come out to deal with citizen scuffles (which arent a direct threat to the govt) it's like they're super irritated because that's not really their job.
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It's so weird....the cops have made it very clear that their job is no longer a "serve and protect" kind of occupation. Okay, so I get that. But this being true, then what IS the job of the police? Way back when, cops were trained to THINK a situation through...it wasn't "okay" to instantly shoot to kill based on a hunch that a person has a weapon. This could be true of ANYBODY just strolling down the street who happens to have an attitude. I've seen videos of two or more cops taking out a guy because he brandished a KNIFE as if shooting the guy dead was their ONLY option. What the fuck is going on here? What is the purpose of the police if they don't have to serve and protect or care if they kill innocent people? What is the purpose? Is all of this supposed to make me feel safe?
 Quoting: thepatrioticgirl


Cops have 2 jobs.

1.) Generating Revenue
2.) Intimidation of the people

They never really protected or served anything other than government control.
 Quoting: Chip


Very good point. That would explain why they have short fuses with the citizens. Their jobs is really to protect the government and it's like they suddenly woke up after 911/iraq and realized this. Now when they have to come out to deal with citizen scuffles (which arent a direct threat to the govt) it's like they're super irritated because that's not really their job.
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So Fresno cops are so fucked up and scared that they now are nervously executing the local kids?

Wow, well that is fucked up, because in my county they just sell weed on the opposite coast.

Some county has murderous authority some have weed growing ones.
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When you perpetuate a drug war

You make cops lives, more difficult, not just the peeps.

So, defuse the black markets, and policing, will become easier. Make the illegal, legal so far as possible, and allow people to become real, and the cops will be forced, to then, reflect that realness back up their command chain

Is this fucking, hard math or something?

When one studies the SS and the history of WW2, one understands how Himmler built police OOB, because he could shuffle them around, making them "Cop of Everything" it's kind of a set up, to be a cop, you get a wage, respect, and yet you are held, by shtuffle command chain, etc you know what I mean. You all dipped into "Guapomole" of some kind, hell, every cops station has a evidence locker which in terms of black markets, is worth a mint.

THUS,

Defusing the situation requires an easier job for cops, and this means citizens will not be able to be such dumbfucks, I am wondering if you get what I mean? Hey, watch this space I guess right OP? They killed LaVoy, and now this kid, do not fuckin drive anywhere if you don't have to. They may rather shoot than go to court with you.
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I'm white idiot. Letting all the white ppl, only ones that support this behavior and give the cops every fucking rationalization your little minds can come up with. That watching murder and supporting it because he what? didn't put his fucking hands up. gtfo coward.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72574370


He didn't get shot because he didn't put his hands up. Are you blind? He got shot because he had his hand behind his back where he could have easily been concealing a weapon, pulling it out of his pants. They told him he was going to get shot, and he did. I certainly don't think they had to shoot him 4 times. That does sound a bit trigger happy to me.
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you seem to be ok with them shooting someone when their lives weren't in danger, which is what the law dictates. might want to re-examine yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70742892


How do you know they knew he didn't have a gun? How do you know their lives weren't in danger? Do you know how many times cops have been killed because they didn't shoot? He should have shown his hands. You are only seeing it one way. Why is that? Are you a Soros instigator?
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Well, less than 40 last year.

Now, about the 1,200+ they killed.
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Just need opinions here. I personally don't think he should have been killed. No weapons were found on his body. June 25
 Quoting: Lioness and cubs


WTF! The police of years past needed to know 100% that a suspect had a weapon and was going to use it before they could resort to lethal force!

What kind of training is going on where the mere suspicion that someone has a weapon justifies the use of deadly force?

The law enforcement community in this country needs to revisit how things use to be 20 to 30 years ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71075478


Same stuff happened 20-30 years ago. Even more, possibly. There just weren't cameras to record events like this. A throw down gun was not uncommon either.

Now we have cameras and Tasers, and have eliminated billy clubs and slap jacks.

Ones perspective generally begins the day they are born. To go beyond that, one must study history.

cheers
 Quoting: Maguyver


cops couldn't start with lethal force could they?? I mean sure cops have been killing since the beginning, but we had laws, atleast I thought we did that you had to shoot in the arm. this RoE change is relatively new. cops are cowards now so scared they shoot unarmed civilians that BROKE NO LAWS. Cops act like they are in a warzone. Just like IDF and you know what?? Now every US citizen is a terrorist to this broken corrupt system.
Just read some of these comments supporting this murder. Not one time were those cops in danger, not even a little. When that cop with the shotgun shoots the kid as he is on the ground unable to breath from being shot 3 times in the torso. Still is so fucking scared and cowardly he has to shoot. TELL ME THAT IS NOT FUCKED UP.
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Cops NEVER have been trained shoot in the arm. That is ridiculous. Center mass is the standard everywhere. This was obviously suicide by cop. The guy presented himself as armed and noncompliant. If he had a gun behind his back(which, in the end, he did not) he could have easily shot the cops before they could end the threat. They want to go home at the end of their shift. They don't need to see the gun to acknowledge the threat of a gun. By then it could be too late.

The guy wanted to die and he made sure that happened.

Though, I do believe a taser would have been more appropriate toward the end.
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Though, I do believe a taser would have been more appropriate toward the end.
 Quoting: Maguyver


How about walk away go find a criminal?

Since this kid's toast on the curb, they are safe now, etc.

Oh waht? he borke the law too? Oh, they have to sew him up to milk him for dough?

Oh, you mean the peaceful old way, oh no, that's stupid. Just walk away, you put lead in the kid, drive off, who gives a fuck WHY PULL A TAZER when he's plugged?
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Once you put lead into a kid, putting cuffs or ten more bullets in, just proves that YOU are the asshole.

Well paid as well, unionized etc.
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do you think in this day and age it would be easy being a cop? Having to deal with crazy assholes all the time? It would not, and don't forget without all those cops out there, there is NOTHING between us and complete chaos!

I don't know why i have to explain the obvious to you people.

This guy had two simple orders to follow,

1) put his hands up.

2) get on the ground.

Couldn't do either, acted suspiciously reaching he hand around, got shot. Not hard to understand.

Seems like he wanted suicide by police, he got it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65284760


hesright

Cops have been killed by people with guns that won't show their hands. If I was a cop, I wouldn't risk my life for some idiot who won't show his hands or get on the ground. It's a tough call, but I have a family waiting at home for me too.

The same hand he wouldn't put out the window, is the same hand he had behind his back when he was out of the vehicle. He knew he would get shot, and he did.
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you're garbage
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And you, my dear sir, have been on here all night shilling. Not once, have you been able to see the other side. Why is that? Agenda much? Keep name-calling, because you don't agree with what is being said, you will find a one way ticket off this site. Peace!
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What agenda? It's the law.

For deadly force to be constitutional when an arrest is taking place, it must be the reasonable choice under all the circumstances at the time. Therefore, deadly force should be looked at as an option that is used when it is believed that no other action will succeed. The Model Penal Code, although not adopted in all states, restricts police action regarding deadly force. According to the code, officers should not use deadly force unless the action will not endanger innocent bystanders, the suspect used deadly force in committing the crime, or the officers believe a delay in arrest may result in injury or death to other people.

Circumstances that are taken into consideration are the severity of the offense, how much of a threat the suspect poses, and the suspect's attempts to resist or flee the police officer. When arresting someone for a misdemeanor, the police have the right to shoot the alleged offender only in self-defense. If an officer shoots a suspect accused of a misdemeanor for a reason other than self-defense, the officer can be held liable for criminal charges and damages for injuries to the suspect.
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All of our police training comes from douchebag Israelis thats a fact.

Man up and understand that, they don't value life, they make you protect the top, that is they way.

Regular running dogs in the sled teams do not see that do not care? Hmm, they are shoulder to should.
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WTF! The police of years past needed to know 100% that a suspect had a weapon and was going to use it before they could resort to lethal force!

What kind of training is going on where the mere suspicion that someone has a weapon justifies the use of deadly force?

The law enforcement community in this country needs to revisit how things use to be 20 to 30 years ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71075478


Same stuff happened 20-30 years ago. Even more, possibly. There just weren't cameras to record events like this. A throw down gun was not uncommon either.

Now we have cameras and Tasers, and have eliminated billy clubs and slap jacks.

Ones perspective generally begins the day they are born. To go beyond that, one must study history.

cheers
 Quoting: Maguyver


cops couldn't start with lethal force could they?? I mean sure cops have been killing since the beginning, but we had laws, atleast I thought we did that you had to shoot in the arm. this RoE change is relatively new. cops are cowards now so scared they shoot unarmed civilians that BROKE NO LAWS. Cops act like they are in a warzone. Just like IDF and you know what?? Now every US citizen is a terrorist to this broken corrupt system.
Just read some of these comments supporting this murder. Not one time were those cops in danger, not even a little. When that cop with the shotgun shoots the kid as he is on the ground unable to breath from being shot 3 times in the torso. Still is so fucking scared and cowardly he has to shoot. TELL ME THAT IS NOT FUCKED UP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72574370


Cops NEVER have been trained shoot in the arm. That is ridiculous. Center mass is the standard everywhere. This was obviously suicide by cop. The guy presented himself as armed and noncompliant. If he had a gun behind his back(which, in the end, he did not) he could have easily shot the cops before they could end the threat. They want to go home at the end of their shift. They don't need to see the gun to acknowledge the threat of a gun. By then it could be too late.

The guy wanted to die and he made sure that happened.

Though, I do believe a taser would have been more appropriate toward the end.
 Quoting: Maguyver

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can't believe all of you justifying them killing him when their lives were clearly not in immediate danger
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Hindsight is always 20/20 (unfortunately)

First 2 shots 100% justified, the last guy that came later with the shotgun, not so much

Here's the thing, the officers were searching for an armed suspect, they were pulling him over already assuming there was a weapon. When he acted suspiciously, that didn't help at all.

With 3 officers there, could they have physically over powered him after the first 2 shots- yes.
However, had he not been stupid AND DONE WHAT HE WAS TOLD, he would still be alive.

2 years ago, someone in my family was shot NUMEROUS times FROM BEHIND by police, he was killed.
Excessive, yes, but he should not have been in that position- period.
Am I angry it was handled that way? Absolutely, but I'm also angry he chose to take a questionable path in life.
 Quoting: Oldmotherhubbard

"First 2 shots 100% justified"

BASED ON WHAT IMMEDIATE THREAT TO THEIR LIVES? If you can't tell me exactly how their lives were in immediate danger than you are garbage!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70742892

Could you without seeing the entire video have been 100% sure what he was fumbling for? If you say yes, you're a liar. He could have shot them so fast they wouldn't have had time to react. If he didn't have a gun he should have complied. Period.

First 2 shots were not deadly shots, they were simply debilitating shots.
The kid doesn't follow orders while in the truck, numerous times. Cop says put both hands out, YOU PUT BOTH HANDS OUT
kid gets out of truck is told to get on the ground, doesn't, walks away and then toward the officers, all while having his right hand fumbling around for something.
Says something to the lines of "I hate my life" (according to several sources)
And continues to walk further, he was WARNED YOU ARE GOING TO GET SHOT still doesn't comply.
IMO he wanted to die.

I can tell you if someone is on my property or in my house and does this same shady shit without following what I say with a gun pointed to them and I WARN THEM IM GOING TO SHOOT, and they still act questionable. I'm shooting to debilitate.

Look I'm not saying cops are 100% all good, there's some crooked shit that goes down, but it's real simple. If you're a law abiding citizen and want to go home to your family, follow orders, if something is unjustified sue later, go public later.
 Quoting: Oldmotherhubbard

Unless there is in fact a gun, he was not a threat.
According to the law.


Deadly force, as defined by the United States Armed Forces, is force that a person uses causing, or that a person knows or should know would create a substantial risk of causing, death or serious bodily harm or injury. In most jurisdictions, the use of deadly force is justified only under conditions of extreme necessity as a last resort, when all lesser means have failed or cannot reasonably be employed.[1][2]

Firearms, bladed weapons, explosives, and vehicles are among those weapons the use of which is considered deadly force. The use of non-traditional weapons in an offensive manner, such as a baseball bat, sharp pencil, tire iron or other, may also be considered deadly force.[2]

Note it says nothing about might or thought.

At least three officers had guns on him. If he had pulled a gun he never would have gotten a shot off.


As far as your scenario shooting on your property your ass would go down for murder.


When deadly force is used by a private citizen, the reasonableness rule does not apply. The citizen must be able to prove that a felony occurred or was being attempted, and that the felony threatened death or bodily harm. Mere suspicion of a felony is considered an insufficient ground for a private citizen to use deadly force.
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Same stuff happened 20-30 years ago. Even more, possibly. There just weren't cameras to record events like this. A throw down gun was not uncommon either.

Now we have cameras and Tasers, and have eliminated billy clubs and slap jacks.

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cops couldn't start with lethal force could they?? I mean sure cops have been killing since the beginning, but we had laws, atleast I thought we did that you had to shoot in the arm. this RoE change is relatively new. cops are cowards now so scared they shoot unarmed civilians that BROKE NO LAWS. Cops act like they are in a warzone. Just like IDF and you know what?? Now every US citizen is a terrorist to this broken corrupt system.
Just read some of these comments supporting this murder. Not one time were those cops in danger, not even a little. When that cop with the shotgun shoots the kid as he is on the ground unable to breath from being shot 3 times in the torso. Still is so fucking scared and cowardly he has to shoot. TELL ME THAT IS NOT FUCKED UP.
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Cops NEVER have been trained shoot in the arm. That is ridiculous. Center mass is the standard everywhere. This was obviously suicide by cop. The guy presented himself as armed and noncompliant. If he had a gun behind his back(which, in the end, he did not) he could have easily shot the cops before they could end the threat. They want to go home at the end of their shift. They don't need to see the gun to acknowledge the threat of a gun. By then it could be too late.

The guy wanted to die and he made sure that happened.

Though, I do believe a taser would have been more appropriate toward the end.
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I'm guessing here, but it seems apparent that you have never been through any self defense firearms training, much less exposed to any people of law enforcement outside the receiving end.

Hypothetical: The man has a gun in his hand behind his back. Swings it around to shoot. How man rounds can he fire before the cops end the threat?
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cops couldn't start with lethal force could they?? I mean sure cops have been killing since the beginning, but we had laws, atleast I thought we did that you had to shoot in the arm. this RoE change is relatively new. cops are cowards now so scared they shoot unarmed civilians that BROKE NO LAWS. Cops act like they are in a warzone. Just like IDF and you know what?? Now every US citizen is a terrorist to this broken corrupt system.
Just read some of these comments supporting this murder. Not one time were those cops in danger, not even a little. When that cop with the shotgun shoots the kid as he is on the ground unable to breath from being shot 3 times in the torso. Still is so fucking scared and cowardly he has to shoot. TELL ME THAT IS NOT FUCKED UP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72574370


Cops NEVER have been trained shoot in the arm. That is ridiculous. Center mass is the standard everywhere. This was obviously suicide by cop. The guy presented himself as armed and noncompliant. If he had a gun behind his back(which, in the end, he did not) he could have easily shot the cops before they could end the threat. They want to go home at the end of their shift. They don't need to see the gun to acknowledge the threat of a gun. By then it could be too late.

The guy wanted to die and he made sure that happened.

Though, I do believe a taser would have been more appropriate toward the end.
 Quoting: Maguyver

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70742892


I'm guessing here, but it seems apparent that you have never been through any self defense firearms training, much less exposed to any people of law enforcement outside the receiving end.

Hypothetical: The man has a gun in his hand behind his back. Swings it around to shoot. How man rounds can he fire before the cops end the threat?
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From their position of cover, because they feared for their lives?



How many?
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Cops NEVER have been trained shoot in the arm. That is ridiculous. Center mass is the standard everywhere. This was obviously suicide by cop. The guy presented himself as armed and noncompliant. If he had a gun behind his back(which, in the end, he did not) he could have easily shot the cops before they could end the threat. They want to go home at the end of their shift. They don't need to see the gun to acknowledge the threat of a gun. By then it could be too late.

The guy wanted to die and he made sure that happened.

Though, I do believe a taser would have been more appropriate toward the end.
 Quoting: Maguyver

bsflag
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70742892


I'm guessing here, but it seems apparent that you have never been through any self defense firearms training, much less exposed to any people of law enforcement outside the receiving end.

Hypothetical: The man has a gun in his hand behind his back. Swings it around to shoot. How man rounds can he fire before the cops end the threat?
 Quoting: Maguyver



From their position of cover, because they feared for their lives?



How many?
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Oh, never mind, they were standing right out in the open parking lot in broad daylight advancing on the suspect ,,,,,in fear for their lives.
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cops couldn't start with lethal force could they?? I mean sure cops have been killing since the beginning, but we had laws, atleast I thought we did that you had to shoot in the arm. this RoE change is relatively new. cops are cowards now so scared they shoot unarmed civilians that BROKE NO LAWS. Cops act like they are in a warzone. Just like IDF and you know what?? Now every US citizen is a terrorist to this broken corrupt system.
Just read some of these comments supporting this murder. Not one time were those cops in danger, not even a little. When that cop with the shotgun shoots the kid as he is on the ground unable to breath from being shot 3 times in the torso. Still is so fucking scared and cowardly he has to shoot. TELL ME THAT IS NOT FUCKED UP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72574370


Cops NEVER have been trained shoot in the arm. That is ridiculous. Center mass is the standard everywhere. This was obviously suicide by cop. The guy presented himself as armed and noncompliant. If he had a gun behind his back(which, in the end, he did not) he could have easily shot the cops before they could end the threat. They want to go home at the end of their shift. They don't need to see the gun to acknowledge the threat of a gun. By then it could be too late.

The guy wanted to die and he made sure that happened.

Though, I do believe a taser would have been more appropriate toward the end.
 Quoting: Maguyver

bsflag
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70742892


I'm guessing here, but it seems apparent that you have never been through any self defense firearms training, much less exposed to any people of law enforcement outside the receiving end.

Hypothetical: The man has a gun in his hand behind his back. Swings it around to shoot. How man rounds can he fire before the cops end the threat?
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With that logic cops should shoot everyone they encounter BEFORE they have had the time to show their empty hands. The chances are great that your hands are not visible to the cop when he approaches you.

Pulling out a gun from your back and getting it in position to fire in front of 3-4 cops with their guns already pointed at you with fingers on the trigger. Lucky Luke perhaps would pull it off.
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If there is no gun visible there is no justification for murder.

Doesn't matter where hands were, there was no threat to the pigs
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You are 100% correct. Only a sociopath or someone with a vested interested in enabling these types of felony crimes
by cops would disagree.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69493004


Of course there's not justification for murder, but there is justification for using a taser or a shot in the arm. If you're saying you'd stand there and wait to SEE the gun and feel the gunshot before you did anything, I call BS.
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A lot of you aren't thinking the entire scenario through. What if he did have a firearm. That is how idiots with firearms and a strange agenda behave. Irratic, nervous and jittery.

The police academy trains people to consider this behavior his contemplation point before drawing his weapon. It's common amongst people attempting to pull their gun out and shoot at police.

Police are trained to eliminate the threat completely. Winging a suspect is not going to stop an armed fucktard on pcp. They're taught to shoot the center of mass until the threat is over. Shoot to kill.

According to those officers Noble could have been armed and crazy. Since he didn't prove otherwise, he got killed. Pretty simple really.
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oh god not the stupid PCP argument. PCP is like a 70's thing. You must be a cop.
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If there is no gun visible there is no justification for murder.

Doesn't matter where hands were, there was no threat to the pigs
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72575210


You are 100% correct. Only a sociopath or someone with a vested interested in enabling these types of felony crimes
by cops would disagree.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69493004


Of course there's not justification for murder, but there is justification for using a taser or a shot in the arm. If you're saying you'd stand there and wait to SEE the gun and feel the gunshot before you did anything, I call BS.
 Quoting: Anonymous-Girl


A lot of you aren't thinking the entire scenario through. What if he did have a firearm. That is how idiots with firearms and a strange agenda behave. Irratic, nervous and jittery.

The police academy trains people to consider this behavior his contemplation point before drawing his weapon. It's common amongst people attempting to pull their gun out and shoot at police.

Police are trained to eliminate the threat completely. Winging a suspect is not going to stop an armed fucktard on pcp. They're taught to shoot the center of mass until the threat is over. Shoot to kill.

According to those officers Noble could have been armed and crazy. Since he didn't prove otherwise, he got killed. Pretty simple really.
 Quoting: Chip

no excuse to treat a citizen like garbage for a moving violation. No excuse for pointing guns at a citizen. No excuse for barking orders at a citizen like their garbage. People deserve respect. They showed him none with no justification.
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If there is no gun visible there is no justification for murder.

Doesn't matter where hands were, there was no threat to the pigs
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72575210


You are 100% correct. Only a sociopath or someone with a vested interested in enabling these types of felony crimes
by cops would disagree.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69493004


Of course there's not justification for murder, but there is justification for using a taser or a shot in the arm. If you're saying you'd stand there and wait to SEE the gun and feel the gunshot before you did anything, I call BS.
 Quoting: Anonymous-Girl


A lot of you aren't thinking the entire scenario through. What if he did have a firearm. That is how idiots with firearms and a strange agenda behave. Irratic, nervous and jittery.

The police academy trains people to consider this behavior his contemplation point before drawing his weapon. It's common amongst people attempting to pull their gun out and shoot at police.

Police are trained to eliminate the threat completely. Winging a suspect is not going to stop an armed fucktard on pcp. They're taught to shoot the center of mass until the threat is over. Shoot to kill.

According to those officers Noble could have been armed and crazy. Since he didn't prove otherwise, he got killed. Pretty simple really.
 Quoting: Chip


And the 1-2 last killing shots when he was lying obviously severly injured on the ground with two bullets in his chest/stomach in and both hands clearly visible and empty?





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