True!

Some may ask, and what to do with this information?
My answer is think about it. Perhaps much of your life will be simpler, clearer.

For example, some guys now want to attain love with money. Will not work. Accumulating money you'll always strive for Comfort, personal. Belief in love does not tolerate selfishness, and generally achieved self-destruction.

Or, let's say, some are now convinced that a career in the corporation - would make him happy. Presenting a picture of a smiling advertising where the family picnic wonderfully spend time. Do not forget the desire for power breaks due to the good people and the family at the seekers after power is selfish wearing a knife in his pocket. I'm talking really about those who have achieved power, rather than those who spent their time chasing the carrot in the nose.

And yes, I made my choice long ago. I was pleased to any amount of money. I do not have a hobby, but every minute of my life is busy. By and large I do not care what kind of house my neighbor. Any of you I will seem an anarchist, but I'm just a true neutral, as well as my wife. In general I am happy to believe, and advise you to make a choice.

you sound like a prick. dominion #1. nah, ur a prick.

What makes you happy, friend?

not you and you stalkerish creepy thread.

False.

Where do you get this crap from? You sound like a bloody Ferengi. You'll be quoting the rules of acquisition next.

Love is my choice. I believe in respect, harmony and good will.

On your list, #1, and and your description with #2, deeply offend me,

As for #2, having much more than what is needed to live a comfortable life can turn people towards greed.

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I do not believe that anyone should push their will upon others.

I detest war, and those who plot to create it. I especially detest those who profit from hurting others.

If I see someone trying to hurt you, I will fight to help even if you are a stranger, and even if it puts my life in danger.


That said, welcome to GLP


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I see your point, but figured English is not his first language.



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Allow me to note the contradictions in your words.

But first, I beg you, think about the money, not as cash - as well as the people of faith. How about what makes them happy. Think about those whose mood depends on the presence or lack of money. Is it possible to be free from this addiction. Did Jesus mood depends on the amount of money (just kidding).
1. Believing in Love (the presence of a loved one required) does not fight and do not participate in social activities. After all, the only means to keep the peace in the family - is to focus on what is happening in the family. Two lives is not enough to enjoy the happiness of love, giving all his time to it. Happiness in love - a lonely union of two hearts. And, before that many years of persistent faith, struggle with temptation, etc ....
2. You write that for happiness in love you need comfort, which you reach after money. In this way you will lead you to happiness in love? I'm sorry, my question, but I suffered a lot ... A lot of marriages I've seen. You will not believe, but the happiness in love ... It is a paradise in the hut. Full independence ...

To be understood correctly, please refer to my words as a hypothesis. I propose to talk about it. Perhaps the logic is on your side. Then I take off my hat, and thank you for your wisdom. But I am among you there will be no one who can prove that the money, or power (the desire to be the most important) is good for the planet.

When I say 'LOVE' I am not speaking of 'love' between two people.

I am talking about LOVE as in "LOVE THY NEIGHBOR" ...meaning, love for all mankind, with caring, respect, empathy and compassion.

To be honest, the list you presented in your posts as a 'repeating cycle' is something I personally do not see as you do.

Also, I admit that I don't quite understand the reasoning you presented.

Still, I saw that initially you were noted to be from the Russian Federation, so I really wanted to connect with you in a friendly way, and post something special from my heart, as a way to foster good will between us.

Our Earth is experiencing many tensions and conflicts, that I am powerless to stop.

While I cannot stop those terrible things, what is in my power to do is extend a measure of kindness your way, across many miles.

That is just the way I see life. Simple, friendly, respectful, and full of good actions.

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I hope you enjoy your time here. There are many good people to find here, also



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Those are true words that I understand, and agree with.

If not for the greed and drive some people have for the possession of wealth/money and power/dominance, our planet could be a truly happy and serene place where all mankind could live in freedom.

If all mankind lived by the principle: DO NO HARM, I suspect we would all be happy, living our lives smiling, taking care of our loved ones/family's needs without trouble..

Pokajsya, russkij!

Esoteric Morgan,Thank you for your kind words. The purpose of my presence here including the search for like-minded people. However, I would like to help to understand my "list", because I think it has a lot. Including stop a major war imminent.
Let's think about your words. What you call "love" - better called glory (if I understand your words).
Fame/glory - is when you enjoy helping / rescuing Mankind. Thus, your happiness depends on how much you have done for the people. In my "list" this faith is in 6th place. It belongs to the category of good. Typical examples of this faith: Buddha, Gandhi, Nikola Tesla, Steve Hawking, Jacque Fresco.
However, to take better care of humanity - this offer idiologii in which there will be less inequality, more freedom, less conflict, more justice. Venus Project - it seems appropriate to do so, but it has too few followers. At least those wishing to profit at the expense of others more. :)

I think the problem is that people are not aware that what is called good, and what is evil. There you are mistaken, about the money. But think what good money (faith) give people? Let's count the positive and negative aspects:
Positive: 1. reduce the time in the exchange of goods 2 are the guarantor of trust in large transactions (hope to continue :))
Negative: 1. allows you to make transactions in the trade: slaves, drugs, weapons (not useful for mankind) and etc. .. 2. Contribute to corruption and the desire to deceive, to greed.3. Being a mediator in pay, make dependent all participants, multiplying deception. You can continue but I'd rather give you an example of the world where there is no money. Imagine that your work is not more than 3-5 hours a day, as it is distributed equally among all stakeholders.
Necessary for life things you get for free. Classification society is determined by the degree of the individual's benefit. The more are the benefits - the more you can afford. All this is possible only when there is no money.

For all. I want to ask. How big do you need to move to a new way of life? And what should be the new world order?

Hello again, outsider,

Is it possible that the definition of certain words we are using in English, such a 'love', might be understood differently as translated, or considered, in your native tongue?

I am wondering if this, alone, might be causing us to misunderstand each other on a fundamental level.

For example, this sentence you wrote: What you call "love" - better called glory (if I understand your words).

'Glory' does not easily fit as a definition of 'love'.

Here are some definitions of 'glory':

-high renown or honor won by notable achievements, fame, prestige, honor, distinction, acclaim, praise;

-magnificence, splendor, resplendence, grandeur, majesty, greatness, nobility;

public praise, honor, and fame. : praise of a god or goddess. : something that brings praise or fame to someone or something
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Now let's define some ENGLISH considerations about the word 'love'

-compassion, care, caring, regard, solicitude, concern, friendliness, friendship, kindness, charity, goodwill, sympathy, kindliness, altruism, unselfishness, philanthropy, benevolence, fellow feeling, humanity:

"their love for their fellow human beings"


-an intense feeling of deep affection, fondness, tenderness, warmth, intimacy, attachment, endearment;

-feel a deep romantic or sexual attachment to someone

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It seems that thinking of these two words as having similar meaning, or that they could be used in some broader sense, might only be possible if the comparison was something like what you might feel in a religious sense, singing GLORY!

GLORY to God in the highest, and peace on earth to men of good will!

The exaltation and passion one might feel when filled with the Glory of God, could be considered LOVE.

Yet, in common usage, that are not really interchangeable... at least not IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE.

That said, as you used it: "Fame/glory - is when you enjoy helping / rescuing Mankind. Thus, your happiness depends on how much you have done for the people."

I believe I understand the WAY use are 'placing them together', but more in a sense of that 'happiness' you feel for having done something to help others, gives you a feeling of PRIDE:


"a feeling or deep pleasure or satisfaction derived from one's own achievements, the achievements of those with whom one is closely associated, or from qualities or possessions that are widely admired."

Thus, because you LOVE, you helped. And because you helped, you feel a sense of GLORY.


Oh, my! I think I CAN FIND UNDERSTANDING IN YOUR MEANING, but first I will have to investigate the cultural differences we have, that APPEARS TO give words an entirely different meaning.

We just might be able to find common ground...as long as I can 'see' your statements the way you intend them to be interpreted.

What do you think about this?

Good questions.

It is MOST IMPORTANT. The ruling classes have caused loss of jobs and income, while the cost of living has skyrocketed.

If there Were to be a 'NEW WORLD ORDER' first we have to CHANGE that name to something else, because that name has become a frightening Symbol for Elite Tyranny.



Earth is a Planet. Let's consider it as ONE ENTITY comprised of sovereign nations (not corporate entities) which all agree to abide by a set of basic humanitarian rules, under the watchful eye of a Central Council.

The Basic Humanitarian Laws are also the Basic laws each nation Must follow.

The Era of POISONING THE PLANET FOR Profit must end. There are health and environmental concerns that will have to be addressed...too long for this comment.

Armed conflict is banned. The rights of sovereign people must prevail. No country may occupy another. Armies are now used only to help rebuild nations...and NO PROFITEERING is allowed.

There are lists naming criminal entities in, and associated with, governments worldwide. These people will immediately be rounded up and dealt with.

Changes in Governments will need to be addressed, but there will be a separation of State, Church and Corporate influence, while lobbying will be banned.

If someone is rich...fine. But no more elite class that runs the Planet. Let them retire, or do humanitarian work.

The Global Currency Reset MUST go through, canceling all debt to start from scratch. The entities which hold the collateral funds are said to have MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY to create a new economic model that is Fair for all Nations.

There are already models out there, like NESARA, that CAN be implemented.

The Privately Held Federal Reserve Bank will be dissolved, eliminating the stranglehold of the petrodollar in favor of the already agreed upon BRICS, AIIB among others.

Small nations, ALL Nations, must be allowed to have a say.

Metrocracy may very well work, and foster development.

The IMF AND World Bank will be restructured to reflect humanitarian goals, instead of continuing as loan sharks.

No government will not be allowed to squander or siphon the resources of their people.

There's more, but others already have models.

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The ONLY GOAL is to make Earth the Paradise it should be, with NO human living in hunger, poverty, in squalor.

Let's move forward into a new age of care, and end the age of disregard.




something like that




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One more thing, with so many people in immediate need, there must be an immediate - if only temporary- shifting of resources to address those needs.

For instance. The porch on the second floor of my house looks as if it is 'about to fall' onto the pedestrian sidewalk. I am not able to pay for this, and no city agency will simply come to lend a hand.

If people had the ability to have their private infrastructure needs addressed, it would be very beneficial.

People need to be the able to go to dentists and doctors, and receive medicines, without worry.



We need to help the little people.

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Dear, Esoteric Morgan,
I assure you that human cultures in different countries are the same. We have exactly the same understanding of word's meaning. My problem is that I understand the meaning of the words much more better than others do. Therefore, I really like the fact that you decided to find out. Let's figure out with the meaning of the word Love. At first I want to talk about Love, and after about other concepts.
We have different meanings of word Love in Russia same as in US. In Russia people can love mother, motherland, cinema, themselves ... As a result, all terribly confusing, and it is not clear that the person has in mind when he says, for example, "I love my parents."
As for me word Love means:
1. Love without sex does not exists.
2. Love only one person at all life.
3. You can only love until you die or until the conditions are violated oath \ contract.
4. After the vow you have no right to think of yourself, you have to think about both.

This mean that word Love can not designate the relationship with parents, homeland, with you. Parents can be respected, to be grateful to them, but not love. Homeland can be proud of, or admire ... etc.

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The ONLY GOAL is to make Earth the Paradise it should be, with NO human living in hunger, poverty, in squalor.

Let's move forward into a new age of care, and end the age of disregard.




something like that


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It seems you have good intentions (in words). But it is not enough understanding of many processes. To begin with let us recall the best work for money. Carl everything just explained. If you have money in the economy means that there is inevitably the poor and the rich. No effective distribution of benefits if you have money. In the very nature of money is an element of destruction.

I understand you do not want major changes. But think better. What are the causes of our problems? In the presence of the poor? Or the rich? They are not to blame. Blame the system. Think about those who built this system. What are they afraid of the most?
Money, power and religion - this is what saves them. With the money they are not dependent on the laws. Power needs the money. A religion is a strong cement in the new system that you allow them to build for you. In rezudtate you get the same problem as now, even if all the debt write off, you start all over again.

Being a disagreeable person I find myself disagreeing with you... Just kidding.

Many people in America and the Western World were able to achieve happiness from the credit creation by American multinational banks.

This affluence gave them the freedom that was the envy of the world. To spend weeks at a time holidaying in far off lands for what seemed to them to be a pittance to them due to the value of their currency!

This freedom inspired so much envy that people would risk life and limb of themselves and their families just for the chance to attain the American dream!

In fact to be a 1%er of the global economy you need just $40,000 USD a year!

The irony being that simply being an American made you an "elite" in the eyes of many whom inhabit this little pearl Earth!

The point I would make is that a powerful leader needs a powerful market. Comprised of value adding "peons" or "Middle Class Americans"!

So by enriching the people of the Western World, the Western "elite" were able to achieve a level of power on a global scale that was unprecedented!

In that every nation fears the power of the American military! Thus only through value added labor does a nation have powerful consumers and more powerful capitalists at the helm of the economy!

It seems you have good intentions (in words). But it is not enough understanding of many processes. To begin with let us recall the best work for money. Carl everything just explained. If you have money in the economy means that there is inevitably the poor and the rich. No effective distribution of benefits if you have money. In the very nature of money is an element of destruction.

I understand you do not want major changes. But think better. What are the causes of our problems? In the presence of the poor? Or the rich? They are not to blame. Blame the system. Think about those who built this system. What are they afraid of the most?
Money, power and religion - this is what saves them. With the money they are not dependent on the laws. Power needs the money. A religion is a strong cement in the new system that you allow them to build for you. In rezudtate you get the same problem as now, even if all the debt write off, you start all over again.


I have a better option. The world of the Millenial Kingdom ruled by Christ from the Throne of David in the worlds capital of Jerusalem. The world where green crickets, like you will not sing vain songs, and the marxist grasshoppers will be delt with the rod of iron.

This helped me a lot for some reason. Thanks OP

You mentioned value added labor. (Adding value to a good or service through more sophisticated labor.)

For instance; an accountant can earn 80 dollars an hour; but a corporate accountant can make $400 an hour! Through their advanced knowledge of corporate law and the use of things like shell companies to process transactions in low tax environments!

It is precisely the value added labor which made money a necessity which enables transactions as a store of wealth!

To do away with money would enable a new method of trade but it doesn't seem likely this trade would be equitable for anyone other than those issuing the currency for transactions. Whether they be dollars or chickens!

To any old number zero in particular, coordinates have been set


:youreafag:

Engage

you mean you are the fag or the op?
lol

There is an opinion in the eastern hemisphere, on the west are not familiar with Polga version of "Capital". Carl himself called his creation a utopia. Market growth can not be infinite. Land area is limited - hence the surplus value growth is limited.

An infinite fear of strong opponents you're wasting. In Russian there is an expression: "The spring of injustice can not squeeze indefinitely burst.!" But in other nations there are supporters of change. Everything will stay as long as would be enough food in the lower layers. Then it will not matter whose army stronger.

You see a way out of this situation?

There are other ways to get rid of money. Trading post is not required. It may be left in the history. Why do we need intermediaries if everything could be easier?
1. to plan production, focusing on the number of population.
2. to allocate the necessary fair.
3 to automate the logistics.

Trade and money in this scheme is necessary?
(I can answer after 7 hours of sleep)

By the way, just in case, I tell about the categories of good and evil.
1. The worst thing - it's power/dominion (the desire for self-affirmation to destruction) It includes: Politicians, all the military (except for some conscripts), owners of corporations, shadow government.

2. The bad thing - Money (parasite on society) Includes: Any employee of the financial sphere, heads of companies, criminals.

3. The bad thing, but better than the previous - Religion (fraud crowd) Includes: clergy of any faith, including the particularly zealous fanatics, cultists.

4. neutral thing - love (the one from which produced the children) Includes: any individual who has decided to abandon its identity in favor of the union of two persons.

5. slightly better than the previous - creativity. (Any hobbies, including any reliance on what Provided that it makes you happy.) Includes: gamers, depending on: sex, drugs, alcohol and etc...

6. Fame - a good thing. The purpose of life of the individual - the improvement of mankind. such as real scientists, these prophets, philosophers, true teacher.

7. "Nature" - the best of the beliefs in which the individual will know the truth of creation. The man with the creator abilities, such as create and transform matter. Buddha.

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