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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71594995 United States 07/27/2016 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And we have to fix the souls. Not eternally damn them. Quoting: I_am_who_I_am But many will have to be put through a lot torture to accomplish that. The calculated type that makes them slowly change and see things from the correct perspective. Who knows. But the heaven that the Christian religion has defined for itself sounds like hell to me. Is there the possibility that souls can not be corrupted? That the soul is what it is and that is respected outside of this world. What if this reality is working exactly the way it was intended? |
I_am_who_I_am User ID: 72573839 United States 07/27/2016 08:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And we have to fix the souls. Not eternally damn them. Quoting: I_am_who_I_am But many will have to be put through a lot torture to accomplish that. The calculated type that makes them slowly change and see things from the correct perspective. Who knows. But the heaven that the Christian religion has defined for itself sounds like hell to me. Is there the possibility that souls can not be corrupted? That the soul is what it is and that is respected outside of this world. What if this reality is working exactly the way it was intended? You are thinking of your Spirit. The soul can be very corrupt. And it tries to rule over your Spirit, and is successful with most people. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71594995 United States 07/27/2016 08:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And we have to fix the souls. Not eternally damn them. Quoting: I_am_who_I_am But many will have to be put through a lot torture to accomplish that. The calculated type that makes them slowly change and see things from the correct perspective. Who knows. But the heaven that the Christian religion has defined for itself sounds like hell to me. Is there the possibility that souls can not be corrupted? That the soul is what it is and that is respected outside of this world. What if this reality is working exactly the way it was intended? You are thinking of your Spirit. The soul can be very corrupt. And it tries to rule over your Spirit, and is successful with most people. Hmmmm, interesting. Would you mind describing your version of the soul vs spirit? |
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I_am_who_I_am User ID: 72573839 United States 07/27/2016 08:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And we have to fix the souls. Not eternally damn them. Quoting: I_am_who_I_am But many will have to be put through a lot torture to accomplish that. The calculated type that makes them slowly change and see things from the correct perspective. Who knows. But the heaven that the Christian religion has defined for itself sounds like hell to me. Is there the possibility that souls can not be corrupted? That the soul is what it is and that is respected outside of this world. What if this reality is working exactly the way it was intended? You are thinking of your Spirit. The soul can be very corrupt. And it tries to rule over your Spirit, and is successful with most people. Hmmmm, interesting. Would you mind describing your version of the soul vs spirit? I actually wrote about it on a thread awhile back. Thread: We have three brains (with neurons) inside of us. In our head, our heart, and our stomach. Spirit, Soul, Body. Well most of us do.... Here is what I said, edited a bit: We are a triune being. Spirit, Soul, Body. Our Spirit is our direct connection to Infinite Source. It is what keeps us tapped into being drawn to doing what is righteous and good for us in different situations we find ourselves in. Our conscience. It provides is with energy from Source. Our soul is said to be our mind, will, and emotions. It is our logic, our instinct, and our feelings. Some call it the ego. Our body is obvious. It is the shell we reside in and use to interact with matter. It provides us with the 5 senses. Whether you are a bible fan or not: 1 Thessalonians 5:23 "May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." What makes something have the ability to "think" is to have a network of neurons working simultaneously. We have three "brains" in our body that think. Our actual brain in our head obviously, but also the heart and the stomach. A good article that covers the basics is here: [link to www.rewireme.com] Note where it says the actual brain will many times obey what the other brains are telling it to do. This other research paper goes into a bit more in depth: [link to www.nariphaltan.org] "Recently scientists have also discovered that heart is involved in the processing and decoding of “intuitive information”. Tests done on the subjects showed that the heart appeared to receive the intuitive information before the brain. " I believe that the spirit will interact with our thinking through the heart. You can say that your spirit "resides" in the heart. I believe that our "soul" resides in our brain. Our soul is what reincarnates over and over (I talk in another thread how this is mostly forced to be done... we are trapped here). Each incarnation, our soul has a complete memory wipe, and is implanted into another body (by higher corrupt entities). But our spirit does not get wiped. It can't. It is our very own piece of Source. It stays with our soul, throughout various births, and deaths and many bodies. And I believe that the stomach is the brain for our physical shell. Instinctual reactions. Decisions to eat and survive. Telling the brain what the body needs to do to just walk around and live. Do you have feel dual-minded? I think that is the spirit and the soul fighting for dominance. When people talk about shutting down the ego, that is a wrong way to look at it. Why would you want to shut off your emotions and sit on a mountain all day not interacting and having a life? What needs to happen is the soul or "ego" needs to take direction from the heart. Not the other way around. Essentially you need to listen mindfully to the inner spirit voice inside of you and obey that one instead of the egoic soul voice. The more you exercise that "heart mind", the stronger it will become. And the easier your soul/ego will accept the spirit as the leader in your being. But it is very very hard. My soul has been so hell bent on being in charge of me my entire life. So it must be hard for all of us. When we meditate and bring our heart to the forefront, we feel very different for some time. Eventually our soul seems to take over again. One time I asked God to make my heart think before my brain (when I first put this all together many years ago). I felt a HUGE surge of change, and I was a different person. I had peace and joy with no outside event causing it. That high lasted for 6 months and grew more intensely every day, until some type of huge awakening snapped, and I couldn't handle the joy, and I was locked up and medicated. That shut off my heart brain. I have worked insanely hard to get it back, and sometimes I do. Basically it has been a back and forth battle since then for which brain is thinking first. And it is noticeable in how I feel. I am three Annas. The one who will always exist and is a direct part of Source; the one who is a bodiless being that keeps getting put in bodies over and over again, confused and ruthlessly wanting to rule my being; and the one who is the shell that whines about being hungry etc. I am obviously not just a body. But I am also not just a body with a soul...or a body with just a spirit. I am all three. All three trying to work together at once. All three having the right to be there, but fighting to be in charge. I will only be at peace if my soul is at peace and believes that it is valuable and needed, and will not be ignored or destroyed, and will be heard by the spirit. But the spirit WILL rule and make final decisions. The soul can do most things most of the time, but it will submit to the will of Source, sent by our Spirit to the neurons to our heart, which are sent to the brain in our head. The gut brain will serve the other two in ways that help with weight loss, digestion, sickness, etc. To accomplish using all three in the correct order takes work. And all of this is only a small part of a big story going on all around us. -Anna |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71362141 United States 07/27/2016 08:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | my advice is to become a patron of the arts if you make it that far. because your life will be significantly unique as it was meant to be. and we need a hero to share the unique insight of expression that leads to good growth instead of degenerate ignorance. plenty to do in heaven my friend.. :) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71594995 United States 07/27/2016 08:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, you have put a massive amount of research into this and thank you for the reply. So both the spirit and soul are part of the same eternal entity? Each representing a different part of this ever-living being? And they each have desires of their own? That is hard to wrap the I agree with you on the monks. By denying all desires of the flesh and temptations of this world, are they really learning anything? Was the trip to the lockup fun in anyway whatsoever? Good drugs? Would you do it again (awakening) knowing that it would overload your physical shell? |
DuckNCover User ID: 54017256 United States 07/27/2016 09:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would love some answers For one I am afraid I get bored I mean forever and ever it's a long time If your one of the lucky ones to get into Heaven, you will not be bored.... First off, you'd be living in the 4th dimension where time is meaningless and all the other senses are greatly enhanced. Colors and sounds are more vivid and pure.... What do you do in Heaven. Anything you want, except evil deeds and intentions. You become empowered to create your own surroundings. Jesus said, " with the faith of a mustard seed you could move mountains." So by faith alone you envision something and it appears out of thin air.... Think about the most exciting thing you ever done in your lifetime. Something so incredible that you couldn't go to sleep or you'd miss something. Now multiply that by thousands and that is Heaven.... Here's one idea... Go fresh water fishing, then go to the beach with friends, then invite everyone to go skiing in the alps, then go to a fantastic concert that features all those excellent band players that made it into Heaven. It can be endless.... Any question you ask will be answered to you in the most finite way. The levels of learning and spiritual growth are all within your grasp in Heaven.... |
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I_am_who_I_am User ID: 72573839 United States 07/27/2016 09:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, you have put a massive amount of research into this and thank you for the reply. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71594995 So both the spirit and soul are part of the same eternal entity? Each representing a different part of this ever-living being? And they each have desires of their own? That is hard to wrap the I agree with you on the monks. By denying all desires of the flesh and temptations of this world, are they really learning anything? Was the trip to the lockup fun in anyway whatsoever? Good drugs? Would you do it again (awakening) knowing that it would overload your physical shell? I wouldn't say they have different desires. Inherently they are both you and want your survival, etc. The soul has something similar to pride. It wants to make all the decisions. It is corruptible and can be traumatized etc. It is the part of us that needs healing. The Spirit is incorruptible and works in conjunction with Infinite Source to align us with His/It's will for us. The problem is that most people are not connected to their Spirits very well, if at all. It is there, but they have not been in tune with it for so long, it is not easy to be influenced by its guidance. I know of many stories of an instant change that happens when someone "asks Jesus into their heart." I am a scientist, so I can not agree with the religion of Christianity, but I will not ignore these stories. What I believe is happening is similar to my prayer to Source to think with my heart. I am asking in a deep, desperate, and genuine way to be changed and in alignment with the highest power. Many will repeat the words and treat it like an agreement to go to church and believe the "facts" told to them, for access to heaven. Nothing changes. In fact it is worse. But when you are seriously asking the highest God to change your thinking from the inside out, It/He will. It is not Jehovah. It is your spirit flaring up and activating. But that joy and connection will die away if it is not exercised and used. But you can always work to get it back. They call it a quiet voice. It is not quite like that. Nothing you hear in words or thoughts. It is a certain type of urge that is hard to explain. A part of it that is easier to explain is the feeling that happens when you go against it. A very slight upset feeling in your stomach. Like if you see something degrading like porn. Part of you kind of feels a bit sick. The more you align yourself with your Spirit, the more intense that sick feeling will occur. Your Spirit will guide you into sudden decisions you do not know why you are making. Like you suddenly have this urge to leave a place very quickly. Like a tiny tiny feeling of panic (not fear though). You will get very in tune to other people's Spirit's (their "energy" as people say). The stronger it gets the more of a threat you are to TPTB and other forces. They see more than you realize, and much of the nightmares I have lived through have been their attempts to knock me back into submission from a very heightened intense connection to my Spirit. I have been put in hospitals over 20 times. They can show up out of nowhere when you are doing nothing weird, and take you. There is no logical way to justify how they knew you tapped into your spirit in that "complete" way. But they somehow know. The meds are not a good thing. They are chemically designed to tear apart your psyche until you are close to a zombie. Then they will sometimes slowly take you off of the super high doses over time if you convince them too. I am not going to get into too much detail about what I have been through. But there is such an intense feeling of peace and joy while you are fully connected, that makes the painful things happening very bearable. And you feel badass which is nice. I would do anything again (or more) that Source needs me to. Absolutely NOTHING is off the table for me. But I am an intense person for the cause (whatever it is). |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72676556 United States 07/27/2016 10:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2If I have told you about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven—the Son of Man.b 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life. (1 Corinthians 2:9) 2If I have told you about earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13No one has ascended into heaven except the One who descended from heaven—the Son of Man.b 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life. (John 3:2) 44 “The kingdom of heaven is like treasure that was hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again. He was very happy. So he went and sold everything he had. And he bought that field." (Matthew 13:44) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21405381 United States 07/27/2016 10:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There will be millions and millions in heaven. Will they issue us cell phones so that we can reunite with our long lost parents and pet dog? And when the bible was written, heaven was up in the heavens and hell was in the subterranean underworld. Has the Hubble telescope been able to pinpoint the exact location on heaven? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71362141 United States 07/27/2016 10:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Man named Jesus spoke of the Tree Of Life. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70868562 I studied that for years. Basically he was using a metaphor due to the lack of understanding of the people listening. And even today. He meant that we live in a system of probabilities. And when we look at it after we go on to where ever we go. It looks like a three dimensional tree. Which is our life. In the place we go to we study that. As much can be learned from our experience and choices while incarnate. If we have made wise and kind choices during our life we feel a kind of pleasure etc which can be heaven like. But if we have made sad evil choices such as cutting off peoples heads. Which seems to be a bit of a rage these days by certain human animals then we experience sadness pain guilt and ..just plain HELL !!! And unfortunately we don't get three virgins for killing people ! you have a good mind to define parables. well said :) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71511476 United States 07/28/2016 12:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to new-birth.net (secure)] More PDF's and online books here [link to www.thegreatquestion.com] These give a good idea of what lies ahead, what to expect. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35200367 Australia 07/28/2016 12:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no money in heaven so start there. As someone said earlier on; our current programmed minds can not comprehend what the world will be like once heaven comes. For example ask someone with little faith to imagine a world without money and a general response to that question is, "You need money to survive." Its simply not true. Its true to our current world and that is what most people currently see. We simply don't have the relative point of view yet. Once it comes though we will understand that the world we currently live in is the hell that was foretold. Stand for love and let nothing else motivate you as God is love (john 4:8) and love is all you need. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 35200367 Australia 07/28/2016 12:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Imo they are the same thing. The same idea with just different sounds(words) to describe such a place. If you dont think so i believe you have too much faith in words. Both show different ways of getting to such a place though. I believe following one god gets you there; Love. That's my understanding anyways. |
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