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CHICAGO O'HARE UFO SIGHTING & MORE INFORMATION

 
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Audio interview with Chicago Tribune reporter:
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(if anyone wants it transcribed I will paste)


"Dick Haines has been investigating this case since its
occurrence on November 7/06. The Newspaper report at least
recognizes much of what happened there. I corresponded with Dick off and on about the event and sent him material about ATC, tower, runways and ground control as recently as yesterday.

There are two towers, incidentally, at O'Hare and ground control occupies the older O'Hare tower. Both towers can see the entire field at their elevations. However the new tower at 250 feet AGL will be able to see the a newer runway being constructed on the back side of the terminal building.

There is mention of the ground maintenance teams and a pilot in a airliner on the ground on the apron having sighted the object. This being the case they both would have been talking to O'Hare ground control rather than the tower, and ground control would have had a good eyeball on the object as well unless the object was directly overhead of them.

The explanation by the FAA mouthpiece is absurd. There was no reason to contact ATC because they aren't even in the loop at O'Hare. Traffic in the O'Hare zone is handled by O'Hare Tower and handed off to ATC once the traffic has cleared O'Hare's zone. For ATC to be smug about it, joke about a potential hazard shows a lack of concern for safety at O'Hare. Hovering over O'Hare at 1,700 feet is a pretty safe spot for all but helicopters that might be launching because there would be no traffic flying through that space _unless_ there was some need for an overshoot by some aircraft landing or an emergency of some sort.

ATC at O'Hare would not be able to paint radar that close in to the field. It would be a cluttered mess. Transponders on the field are on standby or off because there are so many aircraft on the field that the centers of their scopes would be a white mass of xponder returns. The actual return is about 1/4 inch square with the added information bar. Raw skin paints at the field would result in a cluster of overlapping dots and quite useless.

The best bet for witnesses from the FAA is the tower personnel and ground personnel who themselves are controllers and often shift back and forth and who are in constant contact with one another. At smaller airports ground and tower share the tower facility and often when things are slow perform both duties. Chicago O'Hare has an antiquated radar facility which frequently breaks down, the last time was on Dec.15/06.

I can understand the FAA making light of this and even the
airlines because they don't want anything else deterring people from using airliners, but ATC is different. They are basically ridiculing ground personnel and pilot reports of a potential hazard at one of the biggest airports in the world. ATC ignores this hazard on a frequent basis. There are potentially hundreds of quality witnesses to this event, but many will keep their mouths shut because of just this childish attitude of ATC and the FAA.

I'm preparing a response-have been since yesterday, but waiting for more detail-to Jon Hilkevitch.(John Hilkovich of the Chicago Tribune) Listen to his interview here:
I think he did a pretty good job of getting the story out there without the usual snideness portrayed by other reporters, and it looks like he is going to continue with his investigation via the FOIA."
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From Bruce Maccabee:

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> >The sighting occurred during daylight, about 4:30 p.m., just before sunset.

> >All the witnesses said the object was dark gray and well defined in the overcast skies. They said the craft, estimated by different accounts to be 6 feet to 24 feet in diameter, did not display any lights.

> >Some said it looked like a rotating Frisbee, while others said it did not appear to be spinning. All agreed the object made no noise and it was at a fixed position in the sky, just below the 1,900-foot cloud deck, until shooting off into the clouds.

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> >All the witnesses to the O'Hare event, who included at least several pilots, said they are certain based on the disc's appearance and flight characteristics that it was not an airplane, helicopter, weather balloon or any other craft known to man.

> >United denies UFO report

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> >The object was seen to suddenly accelerate straight up through the solid overcast skies, which the FAA reported had 1,900-foot cloud ceilings at the time.

"It was like somebody punched a hole in the sky," said one
United employee. Witnesses said they had a hard time visually tracking the object as it streaked through the dense clouds.It left behind an open hole of clear air in the cloud layer, the witnesses said, adding that the hole disappeared within a few minutes.

The United employees interviewed by the Tribune spoke on
condition of anonymity.

Some said they were interviewed by United officials and
instructed to write reports and draw pictures of what they
observed, and that they were advised by United officials to
refrain from speaking about what they saw.

Federal agency backtracks

Like United, the FAA originally told the Tribune that it had no information on the alleged UFO sighting. But the federal agency quickly reversed its position after the newspaper filed a Freedom of Information Act request.

An internal FAA review of air-traffic communications tapes, a step toward complying with the Tribune request, turned up the call by the United supervisor to an FAA manager in the airport tower, Cory said. Cory said the weather might have factored into what the witnesses thought they saw.

"Our theory on this is that it was a weather phenomenon," she said. "That night was a perfect atmospheric condition in terms of low [cloud] ceiling and a lot of airport lights. When the lights shine up into the clouds, sometimes you can see funny things. That's our take on it."

This is the sort of 'analysis' that makes my brain boil over. I was at first going to say that this is a perfect example of 'junk science'. Then I realized that it doesn't even rise to the level of junk science. There is _no_ science in suggesting, without any details, that"atmospheric conditions... low cloud ceiling and a lot of airport lights" could explain the sighting:
"When the lights shine up into the clouds sometimes you can see funny things. That's our take on it."

Lights reflected from the clouds are hardly visible if at all during the daytime (4:30 PM before sunset). And light reflected from the clouds would not look like a greyish colored, well defined object which, itself, had no lights. And, of course, the only type of light reflected from the clouds which could move would be the light from a moving spotlight... which would appear as a bright area in the clouds, not as "dark grey". It would have been more "scientific" for Cory to simply say he didn't know what it was than to propose and off-the-wall explanation that makes no sense.

Only a person of 'low intellect' or a debunker type (or the
government) would accept such a ridiculous explanation
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Stanton Friedman:
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"There have been documented cases where safety appears to have been implicated, and more and more we are coming to the point of view that we are dealing with an intelligent phenomenon," said Richard Haines, science director at the National Aviation Reporting Center on Anomalous Phenomena, a private agency.

"We must be proactive before an aircraft goes down," said
Haines, a former chief of the Space Human Factors Office at
NASA's Ames Research Center.

Haines is investigating the O'Hare incident. He said he has
determined that no weather balloons were launched in the
vicinity of O'Hare on Nov. 7.

<snip>

I take it as a very good omen for the coming year when a major paper such as the Chicago Tribune quotes Dick Haines and files
an FOIA request.Maybe somebody did read Herbert Strentz's PhD
thesis about press coverage of UFOs. It was done at Medill
School of Journalism at Northwestern University just outside
Chicago and had some strong words for the inadequacy of press
coverage of the subject.


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All information provided via email listing @virtuallystrange.net newsgroup

They are also saying that Jeff Rense has a fanstastic interview here:
[link to rense.gsradio.net:8080]
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This is what Stanton was talking about ...

Herbert Joseph Strentz:
[link to www-public.tu-bs.de:8080]

'An Analysis of Press Coverage on Unidenztified Flying Objects
1947-1966'
Dissertation, Northwestern University 1970
p.106-116
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I agree with 74029 about the IDIOTIC "junk science" exhibited by FAA and other government officials.

The witnesses saw a solid ( some say rotating ) object take off VERTICALLY through the cloud layer and leave a "hole punched in the clouds".

It makes me fume, how these low-IQ shills are always debunking credible sightings.

We must DEMAND the truth.

Maybe it will take a "ten-million man march on Washington", to make the politicians understand that we are FED UP with lies.
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National UFO Reporting Center
Monthly Report Index For 12/2006
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[link to www.nuforc.org] National UFO Reporting Center
Report Index by Month
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NUFORC Home
Reports Count
12/2006 120
11/2006 344
10/2006 350
09/2006 269
08/2006 371
07/2006 362
06/2006 268
05/2006 264
04/2006 296
03/2006

[link to www.nuforc.org] Praise the Holy of Holy Interesting connecting link at kogo radio as listed at another thread opening. Praise the Lamb:These are individual reports monthly , I only listed parshial of entries. [link to www.kogo.com]
Holy, holy,holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.Praise the one who gives you peace beyond all understanding Yes that scripture still sounds good !
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tantrum is this true ?
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i think this mut be PINED!
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tantrum is this true ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 176410

CNN reported this sighting, if that is of any comfort.
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tantrum is this true ?

CNN reported this sighting, if that is of any comfort.
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If so, they must have a leftist / NWO reason for doing so.

In my opinion, CNN cannot be trusted.
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National UFO Reporting Center DECEMBER REPORTS ONLY
Monthly Report Index For 12/2006
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Date / Time City State Shape Duration Summary Posted
12/14/06 07:45 San Juan (Puerto Rico)
Light 10minutes Silver dot/light over San Juan, Puerto Rico 12/14/06
12/14/06 01:00 Inola OK Circle 30sec circle shape half way lite up with dim yellowish lights 12/14/06
12/13/06 00:00 Bangkok (Thailand)
Changing over 2 hours It looked light an ordinary bright star..which suddenly caught my eye as it sped in toward earth at about 80 degrees and hovered 12/14/06
12/13/06 23:40 Buffalo NY Light 2 seconds Yellow streak seen on Buffalo state college. ((NUFORC Note: Possible Geminid Meteor?? PD)) 12/14/06
12/13/06 22:54 Nixa MO Sphere 2-3 minutes I saw a greyish sphere with an orange stripe down the middle. ((NUFORC Note: Student report. Possible hoax. PD)) 12/14/06
12/13/06 20:35 Newport CA Disk 10 min. Young woman, and her boyfriend, witness a bizarre dis-shaped obj. hovering nearby. 12/14/06
12/13/06 20:20 Visalia CA Light 5 min Two bright yellow/orange lightd moving slowly from south, south east to north, north west.

No sound. Moved evenly appprox. 20 degree 12/14/06
12/13/06 18:07 Tularosa NM Fireball 20 Sec Flying Object Crash by Tularosa,NM around 18:00 hours 12/14/06
12/13/06 05:00 Northglenn CO Light apx. 15 mins It was apx. 5am Wednesday morning.I work graveyard shift out on the oil fields. My boss and three other employees get a ride to and fro 12/14/06
12/12/06 22:15 Ashgrove MO Unknown 7 min object with a blue light under it 12/14/06
12/12/06 18:00 Coatbridge (UK/Scotland)
Oval 5 seconds Round, bright greem, bright green oval egg shaped shooting upwards into the sky with green mist trail 12/14/06
12/12/06 10:00 Studio City CA Disk 45 secs The disk was white. It was shaped like a normal saucer but it had a little dip at the bottom. It was able to gain altitude while remai 12/14/06
12/12/06 03:35 Gentry AR Triangle 4-7 mins Silent triangle 12/14/06
12/11/06 23:55 Rochester NH Oval 4 sec. Blue oval Light shoots threw sky 12/14/06
12/11/06 22:53 Bridgeville (near Pittsburgh) PA Triangle Less than a minute UFO flying above Bridgeville and Scott Twp, Pa 12/14/06
12/11/06 22:50 Birmingham (UK/England)
Egg 2 seconds Bright blue, white egg shaped light flying very fast and low from right to left of my sight for 2 seconds in Sutton coldfied England. 12/14/06
12/11/06 21:13 San Diego CA Light 2 seconds white light 12/14/06
12/11/06 21:13 San Diego CA Light 2 seconds white light zips by silently 12/14/06
12/11/06 21:00 Conrad MT Changing 22:30 Two sightings, one occasion had three objects. shape changing. 12/14/06
12/11/06 19:40 Santa Clara UT Circle 3 seconds green ball of light streaking across the night sky 12/14/06
12/11/06 10:40 Columbus OH Cone 2 minutes Two fat weiner-shaped objects traveling north-north-west. Maintained wide distance apart. Wind at near-by Bolton Field SE at 4 mph. Alt 12/14/06
12/11/06 01:32 Riga MI Other ten minutes We saw pyramid shaped objects in the sky. 12/14/06
12/10/06 20:00 Trumann AR Chevron 30 seconds Black chevron with at least 5 amber lights seen on Hwy. 63N at 8 pm near Trumann, Arkansas 12/14/06
12/10/06 16:00 Ukiah CA Cigar 10 seconds 4 CYLINDER OR CIGAR SHAPED CRAFT WOVE AND DANCED A PATH TO THE SUNSET. 12/14/06
12/10/06 12:45 Columbus OH Circle 2 minutes Shining Craft seen in the Columbus, Ohio area. Round in shape no noise about 5000ft above tree level. 12/14/06
12/10/06 02:45 Jacksonville FL Other 5 to 10 seconds I was outside after coming back from a dance. It was between 2:45am and 3:00am. I was outside because it was said that Mercury, Mars, 12/14/06
12/10/06 00:10 San Juan (Puerto Rico)
Cross 1 Minute it was huge and iluminated all underneath, it looks like a 747 jet with its wings, more like a cross 12/14/06
12/9/06 23:01 Marina Del Rey/Mar Vista CA Circle 15 seconds Round disc shap craft, no sound as round as the moon when full. Just above the low cloud line. 12/14/06
12/9/06 22:15 Bloomfield MI Diamond 1 sec. It was a diamond shaped object with a round dot in the center. That shap was masked by a bright flash in a square or rectangle glow 12/14/06
12/9/06 21:45 Bettendorf IA Triangle over one hour 9:45 PM 12/09/06 huge triangle defined by white light pattern motionless about 7 miles south of Bettendorf IA 12/14/06
12/9/06 21:30 Waycross GA Fireball 8 seconds Comet like light seen over Waycross GA 12/14/06
12/9/06 20:33 Saint Paul MN Chevron 2 minuets UFO in Minnesota, witnessed by three people. 12/14/06
12/9/06 20:01 Wewahitchka FL Fireball about a minute Bright red "fireball" lasting about a minute then faded out, seconds later a white "shooting star"??? came into the area and then disap 12/14/06
12/9/06 18:22 Southport NC Light 4 minutes Star-like object, flying fast toward the Eastern Seaboard, slowed, then resumed fast flight due north. 12/14/06
12/9/06 12:00 Twenty Nine Palms/Joshua Tree Monument CA Unknown
Large rings on dry lake bed visible from the air - photo included 12/14/06
12/9/06 06:11 Chilliwack (Canada) BC Oval 5 seconds dark oval like object crossed in sky while driving on highway near chilliwack making stereo go warbly / off pitch like battery failing 12/14/06
12/9/06 05:35 Yuma AZ Light 10 hours Large white spinning ball omiting many colors. ((NUFORC Note: Sighting of a celestial body, perhaps? Possibly Sirius? PD)) 12/14/06
12/8/06 21:50 Valencia NM Rectangle 3-5 seconds rectangular bright white object falling from night sky 12/14/06
12/8/06 21:50 Santa Fe/Glorieta NM Rectangle 3-4 seconds Solid, bright white and red rectangular object fall from night sky near Glorieta, New Mexico 12/14/06
12/8/06 21:45 Englewood CO Triangle approx. 3-5 sec. 3 lighted triangle thing disappeared to the dark sky in seconds 12/14/06
12/8/06 21:00 Newport Beach CA Disk Minutes one disk with lights underneath it observed by myself another adult and 3 kids for a few minutes in the sky stationary as well as movin 12/14/06
12/8/06 19:30 Ottawa IL Fireball 5 seconds Driving west along Interstate 80, outside (west) of LaSalle/Peru, IL. Saw round green light object with a trail of light behind to the 12/14/06
12/8/06 19:30 Pittsburg MO Unknown 3 seconds Dec. 8th 2006 7:30 PM saw bright object go down over immediate horizon then flashed like it might have impacted something. ((Meteor??)) 12/14/06
12/8/06 19:30 Pulaski VA Other
I witnessed a bright light that changed into different lights moving around. 12/14/06
12/8/06 19:30 St. Ann MO Fireball 2 seconds While traveling W on St. Charles Rock Rd I saw what looked like a ball of fire fly across the sky.((NUFORC Note: Possible meteor??PD)) 12/14/06
12/8/06 18:45 Hampton City VA Light 10 Seconds 2 fuzzy lights 12/14/06
12/8/06 06:15 Omaha NE Sphere 60 -80 seconds Silver ball hovering over street/ shot up 12/14/06
12/7/06 22:07 Indianapolis IN Circle 25 seconds Witnessed 15-18 lights in a V formation move from northeast to southwest across the north side of Indianapolis. Lights moved about 90 12/14/06
12/7/06 20:30 Hemsted TX Flash 30 min. Strange flying lights over Hemstead/Houston night sky 12/14/06
12/7/06 19:30 Parker CO Cigar 30 Seconds Line Of light 12/14/06
12/7/06 18:10 Fresno CA Circle 5 min. BIG red blinking circle above Fresno,CA 12/14/06
12/7/06 18:00 Harrisburg PA Formation 30 seconds 4 stationary lights shift position, move and disappear. 12/14/06
12/7/06 16:00 Ukiah CA Circle 1-2 minutes At least 6 large circular craft hovering in thin cloud cover move across the western sky. 12/14/06
12/7/06 09:00 Pomona (Wolfe Lake) IL Triangle 3 hours Triangel shaped object with planes 12/14/06
12/7/06 08:30 Surfside Beach SC Light 20 sec Strange lights 12/14/06
12/7/06 06:20 Tampa FL Triangle 12 mins Triangler shaped object seen flying Towards Tampa 12/14/06
12/6/06 21:00 San Francisco CA Disk 5 mins. Circlulating lights, pulsating yellow squares 12/14/06
12/6/06 20:58 Phoenix AZ Formation 10min Two craft, disappear and reappear, one of the crafts gains more lights and begins flashing. 12/7/06
12/6/06 20:45 Lucedale MS Triangle 3-5mins Large trianglar object with blue lights on the underside hoovering over the northwest side of Lucedale, MS at 20:45 p.m. on 12/06/06. 12/14/06
12/6/06 20:00 Phoenix AZ Triangle 1 hour 8 bright individual pulsing lights yellow orange in color forming one large triangle then winked out one at a time and would come back 12/7/06
12/6/06 20:00 Maricopa AZ Triangle 25 minutes Orange lights in the sky. 12/7/06
12/6/06 19:30 Ennis TX Light 10hr The obj. never moved, the lights never stopped rotating, and was still there in the morning. ((NUFORC Note: Sighting of Sirius?? PD) 12/7/06
12/6/06 19:00 Walden NY Triangle 10 seconds I saw a trainagle with light that were like red on every angle and one red in the center. 12/7/06
12/6/06 17:50 Warrington PA Triangle 3 Minutes Possible triangle shaped object with 3 amber/purple colored lights surrounding a large pulsating white light 12/7/06
12/6/06 17:45 Baghdad (Iraq)
Triangle 10 min they looked like pyremids or something and 12/7/06
12/6/06 11:25 Louisville KY Disk 3 minutes As we turned the saucer shaped thing disappeared. It blinked out and was gone. 12/7/06
12/5/06 23:34 Kingman KS Light One hour. White light over Kingman, KS 12/7/06
12/5/06 22:38 Sonoma CA Light 5 mins Bright red pulsating light that remained motionless for a long duration, ascended and moved rapidly, red droplets falling from object 12/7/06
12/5/06 22:00 Bloomfield NJ Disk 30 seconds What we saw was a hovering silent disc shaped craft with many lights emitting to the ground 12/7/06
12/5/06 21:50 Walnut Creek CA Disk 30 seconds ((HOAX??)) Saucer object with rotating colored lights hovering in sky. 12/7/06
12/5/06 21:05 Fort Wayne IN Other About 5 minutes Unknown object floating across a city airspace 12/7/06
12/5/06 19:08 Blairsville GA Light 2 minutes Drifting pair of solid and flashing red lights over north Georgia mountains. 12/7/06
12/5/06 19:00 Big Pines CA Diamond 3-5 seconds Huge Black Object with no Lights hovering around Mountians near Mt Whitney 12/7/06
12/5/06 18:17 Farmington NM Light approx 5 seconds. Brilliant White Object Parallels the southern horizon. 12/7/06
12/5/06 18:00 High Prairie (Canada) AB Disk 10 min Two redish orange lights on the outside of the middle.Three orange lights around the back.The craft made no noise. 12/7/06
12/5/06 18:00 North Myrtle Beach SC Light 1 minute 3 orange lights or orbs over the atlantic ocean 6pm 12/05/06 north myrtle beach sc 23rd ave. south 12/7/06
12/5/06 11:50 Fairfield CA Other 10~ Minutes 9 People see a "red star" in the sky at midnite!! - My first sighting please contact 12/7/06
12/5/06 11:45 Albuquerque NM Disk 5 min. UFO Sampling Jets Contrail at 39,000 feet 12/14/06
12/5/06 01:30 Germansville PA Unknown 5 minutes per time Very strange jet like noise, as if it were pulsing or waving in and out. ((NUFORC Note: Student report. PD)) 12/7/06
12/5/06 San Franciso Bay Area CA Light
Brilliant red/gold light on Mt Vaca web cam. 12/14/06
12/5/06 San Franciso Bay Area CA Light one hour Brilliant red/gold light on Mt Vaca web cam 12/14/06
12/4/06 19:00 Trinity TX Circle 30 seconds Was a circle of bright light, it was yellow and it didnt move. All of the sudden it just vanished. ((NUFORC Note: Possible hoax. PD)) 12/7/06
12/4/06 12:25 Hicksville NY Other 10 to15 seconds multicolored over Hicksville, NY, made alarms go off and left a cloud of bluish fog 12/7/06
12/4/06 07:00 Apache Junction AZ Disk 15 min ufos emerge from three small geometric clouds. 12/7/06
12/4/06 03:00 Los Angeles CA Rectangle 15 minutes hovering rectangle over santa monica 12/7/06
12/3/06 22:15 Mt. Shasta CA Oval 2-4 hours Pulsating, rotating lights at approx 40-50deg. angle, ESE of Mt. Shasta, at least 2-4 hrs. ((NUFORC Note:Possibly Sirius? PD)) 12/7/06
12/3/06 22:00 Eldorado AR Other hours ufo blows up leaves void then returns to original white light. ((NUFORC Note: Possibly a sighting of Sirius. PD)) 12/7/06
12/3/06 21:00 New Delhi (India)
Fireball 30 sec. object like a fireball moving very fast in all direction for 30 sec. got a video and two pics also. 12/7/06
12/3/06 20:30 Los Angeles CA Circle 3 seconds Bright Green Light Moving Quickly Across Sky 12/7/06
12/3/06 20:00 Yuba City CA Unknown 10 min While walking my dog on the feather river levee at night, I noticed a floating light bar on the oppisite side (east) of the river. At f 12/7/06
12/3/06 19:00 Grand Canyon AZ Light 30 seconds Very bright light flying through sky, very fast. ((NUFORC Note: Possible hoax, we believe. PD)) 12/7/06
12/3/06 17:00 Lancaster KY Cigar less than 1 min. I witnessed the exact same object as the guy from smithland. It was reflecting the sun, but from what I could perceive, it was silvery 12/14/06
12/3/06 17:00 New York City (Bronx) NY Circle
a light in the air over NEW YORK 12/7/06
12/3/06 15:10 Smithland KY Cylinder 2-3 minutes It looked like an airplane without wings or tail. 12/7/06
12/3/06 08:02 Kärdla (Estonia)
Fireball 2-5.Minutes Y have seen fast moving fireball. Y am never seen that in our sky...

First it was like plane...

Next it gone like fireball and mo 12/7/06
12/3/06 06:15 Los Angeles/Long Beach CA Fireball
1 RED FIREBALL OBJECT GOING SOUTH ALONG THE COAST OF LONG BEACH AT A FAST SPEED, AT 06:15 AM. THEN I SAW TWO FIGTHER JETS 15 MIN LATER, 12/7/06
12/3/06 05:15 Highland Heights KY Other 50 minutes Fireball vapor ships observing us from the sky 12/7/06
12/3/06 05:00 Havre de Grace MD Fireball 3.5 MIN ((HOAX??)) CRESENT SHAPED FIRE OBJECT SEEN IN WOODS. 12/7/06
12/3/06 04:15 Shillington PA Circle 2 min two objects in western sky 12/7/06
12/2/06 21:40 Newport Beach CA Disk 1-2 minutes one disk with lights underneath it observed by myself for 2 minutes in the sky stationary as well as moving across sky. 12/7/06
12/2/06 18:30 Laconia NH Light 5 minutes Large groups of white lights seen moving above the clouds 12/7/06
12/2/06 18:20 West Dundee IL Formation 30-40 seconds String of 6-7 lights equally spaced apart, about 1000 ft up moving quietly West to East in the night sky. 12/7/06
12/2/06 12:15 Satsuma AL Oval 2 minutes Daytime object caught on video 12/14/06
12/2/06 04:35 Shillington PA Circle 1 min small silver object following jet 12/7/06
12/1/06 22:00 Mexicali (Baja California) (Mexico)
Circle 5 minutes flying multicolor rotating circle very fast and akward movements once entering U.S. airspace. 12/7/06
12/1/06 22:00 Upton MA Light 10 Low object in nightsky, with what seemed to be three BRIGHT lights, that while watching just Disappeared. 12/7/06
12/1/06 21:10 Gardnerville NV Light 36 minutes Orange and Red object seen from Gardnerville Nevada 12/01/06. 6 Witnesses in Nevada/California 12/7/06
12/1/06 21:00 Memphis TN Other 30 sec Distant light went from left to right in western sky. Twinkled as it flew and then after a little while maybe ten or twenty seconds it 12/7/06
12/1/06 19:45 Oakland CA Disk around 5 minutes disk shaped figure with flashing lights in a pattern, at about 7:45pm on december 1st 2006, it hovered for about 5min then disapperared 12/7/06
12/1/06 18:50 Temecula CA Rectangle 5-10 seconds December 1st, 2006- While walking with a group of people to a Christmas parade, 2 rectangle objects flew by extremely fast! 12/7/06
12/1/06 18:45 Topeka KS Triangle 5-6 seconds Double aqua green corner cap lights to narrow triangle, brief sighting - but I know what I saw. 12/7/06
12/1/06 17:16 Coppell TX Fireball 1 min. It looked on fire and left a wide long plume of smoke that ended in my sight. ((NUFORC Note: Student report. PD)) 12/7/06
12/1/06 17:00 Cockeysville MD Other approx 1 hour v shaped greenlights seen in evening cloudy sky in baltimore 12/7/06
12/1/06 15:00 Louisa KY Disk 5 minutes As we were out driving around the camp ground at Boone's Landing we observed an object moving in the sky from east to west while a noth 12/7/06
12/1/06 11:10 Krasnoyarsk (Russia)


NEWS REPORT: CLAIM OF UFO CRASH IN RUSSIA: Any further news on this one?... I got this from the Drudge report 12.1.2006 12/7/06
12/1/06 06:30 Mechanicsville VA Triangle 2 minutes This craft covered about ten miles in about 2 or 3 seconds and is something that we don't have the technology to dupicate at this time. 12/7/06
12/1/06 06:15 Marietta GA Circle 3 minutes flashing blue-green lights in marietta,ga 12/7/06
12/1/06 02:00 Saipan
Triangle 10 seconds the ufo appeared for 10 seconds and it was gone faster then i can blink my eyes! 12/7/06
12/1/06 01:00 Carlsbad CA Unknown 20 minutes Object with rotating red and blue lights hovering over North County San Diego at 1:00 a.m. on December 1, 2006. 12/7/06
12/1/06 Krasnoyarsk (200km from) (Russia)
Fireball
NEWS REPORT: Belgian papers "the Standaart" and "de morgen" published this morning mysterious object crased in taiga. 12/7/06
Holy, holy,holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.Praise the one who gives you peace beyond all understanding Yes that scripture still sounds good !
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Isn't it great how there were all these people to see it, but none of them had a camera phone to take pictures or video of it.

But I guess that's they way of the UFO appearances. All eyes and no media.

(by media I mean video/audio, etc. Not the press)
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From Bruce Maccabee:


> >All the witnesses said the object was dark gray and well defined in the overcast skies. They said the craft, estimated by different accounts to be 6 feet to 24 feet in diameter, did not display any lights.

> >Some said it looked like a rotating Frisbee, while others said it did not appear to be spinning. All agreed the object made no noise and it was at a fixed position in the sky, just below the 1,900-foot cloud deck, until shooting off into the clouds.


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A six foot wide object at 1900 feet distance would be only 0.18 degrees wide. A 24 foot wide object at 1900 feet would be only 0.7 degrees wide. At greater distances, which would be the case for anyone not directly under the object, it would appear even smaller. This with the conflicting reports of its appearance (spinning, not spinning) makes for a very unreliable report. Yet you have already formed an opinion that it was an alien craft,

Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?
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Isn't it great how there were all these people to see it, but none of them had a camera phone to take pictures or video of it.

But I guess that's they way of the UFO appearances. All eyes and no media.

(by media I mean video/audio, etc. Not the press)
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Don't worry, if someone DID take a photo or video, the outcry would have been "it's faked!"

You can't win. It's pretty much like religious faith and trying to prove or disprove the existence of God. Can't be done. Those of us who have seen oddities in the sky cannot prove it to anyone else.

What really irks people is when someone rejects reports out of hand, and further, begin ridiculing the observer. There's just no need for that, but it's human nature to greet the unknown with derision and mockery. Unfortunate, but very true. I commented on this in another thread, but it really doesn't matter. Humans are generally ugly when you boil us right down to our essence. Sad.
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A six foot wide object at 1900 feet distance would be only 0.18 degrees wide. A 24 foot wide object at 1900 feet would be only 0.7 degrees wide. At greater distances, which would be the case for anyone not directly under the object, it would appear even smaller. This with the conflicting reports of its appearance (spinning, not spinning) makes for a very unreliable report. Yet you have already formed an opinion that it was an alien craft,

Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?
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Good analysis, absolutely true. The aspect of this report that makes it very interesting is, of course, the "hole punch" thru the cloud deck.

Along the lines of my other post here, any analysis will generally begin to fall flat on its face the more you dig into it. I mean, really now - how is anyone supposed to be able to even be close to estimating the diameter when it is so high up? You can't extend your own analysis any farther than the fact that you are correct to question the estimation of the diameter of the object. Noted. Macro looks at these reports are generally much more reliable than the micro analyses... and naturally, these reports ALWAYS boil down to the ultimate "unreliable" aspect - the human part.
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I first saw this story on a Fox National News scroll...so it's not just CNN...then on local Chicago news. Normally, a story like this doesn't get as much traction as this did. Slow but steady progress, at least?
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A six foot wide object at 1900 feet distance would be only 0.18 degrees wide. A 24 foot wide object at 1900 feet would be only 0.7 degrees wide. At greater distances, which would be the case for anyone not directly under the object, it would appear even smaller. This with the conflicting reports of its appearance (spinning, not spinning) makes for a very unreliable report. Yet you have already formed an opinion that it was an alien craft,

Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?


Good analysis, absolutely true. The aspect of this report that makes it very interesting is, of course, the "hole punch" thru the cloud deck.

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Easily visualized if the "craft" is a spotlight shining on the bottom of a cloud. A few minutes before sunset on a completely overcast day it's pretty dark and a bright spotlight at only 1900 feet could produce a round appearing "object" on the botom of the clouds completely consistant with the reported sizes. The reports do say that it was at the bottom of the cloud deck. Likewise, the reports indicate no noise...still consistant with a spotlight. Now, how would it look if a small clearing in the clouds passed over the spot...the "object" would be seen to shoot up inside the clearing projected onto the wall of the clearing and leaving a clear path behind it.

Now...is this the more reasonable explanation, or is an alien spacecraft with all the nasty violations of physics that must be overcome more reasonable?

Remember Occam's Razor.
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Audio interview with Chicago Tribune reporter:
[link to www.npr.org]
(if anyone wants it transcribed I will paste)


"Dick Haines has been investigating this case since its
occurrence on November 7/06. The Newspaper report at least
recognizes much of what happened there. I corresponded with Dick off and on about the event and sent him material about ATC, tower, runways and ground control as recently as yesterday.

There are two towers, incidentally, at O'Hare and ground control occupies the older O'Hare tower. Both towers can see the entire field at their elevations. However the new tower at 250 feet AGL will be able to see the a newer runway being constructed on the back side of the terminal building.

There is mention of the ground maintenance teams and a pilot in a airliner on the ground on the apron having sighted the object. This being the case they both would have been talking to O'Hare ground control rather than the tower, and ground control would have had a good eyeball on the object as well unless the object was directly overhead of them.

The explanation by the FAA mouthpiece is absurd. There was no reason to contact ATC because they aren't even in the loop at O'Hare. Traffic in the O'Hare zone is handled by O'Hare Tower and handed off to ATC once the traffic has cleared O'Hare's zone. For ATC to be smug about it, joke about a potential hazard shows a lack of concern for safety at O'Hare. Hovering over O'Hare at 1,700 feet is a pretty safe spot for all but helicopters that might be launching because there would be no traffic flying through that space _unless_ there was some need for an overshoot by some aircraft landing or an emergency of some sort.

ATC at O'Hare would not be able to paint radar that close in to the field. It would be a cluttered mess. Transponders on the field are on standby or off because there are so many aircraft on the field that the centers of their scopes would be a white mass of xponder returns. The actual return is about 1/4 inch square with the added information bar. Raw skin paints at the field would result in a cluster of overlapping dots and quite useless.

The best bet for witnesses from the FAA is the tower personnel and ground personnel who themselves are controllers and often shift back and forth and who are in constant contact with one another. At smaller airports ground and tower share the tower facility and often when things are slow perform both duties. Chicago O'Hare has an antiquated radar facility which frequently breaks down, the last time was on Dec.15/06.

I can understand the FAA making light of this and even the
airlines because they don't want anything else deterring people from using airliners, but ATC is different. They are basically ridiculing ground personnel and pilot reports of a potential hazard at one of the biggest airports in the world. ATC ignores this hazard on a frequent basis. There are potentially hundreds of quality witnesses to this event, but many will keep their mouths shut because of just this childish attitude of ATC and the FAA.

I'm preparing a response-have been since yesterday, but waiting for more detail-to Jon Hilkevitch.(John Hilkovich of the Chicago Tribune) Listen to his interview here:
I think he did a pretty good job of getting the story out there without the usual snideness portrayed by other reporters, and it looks like he is going to continue with his investigation via the FOIA."
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thanks OP.

But i have a problem: When i want to listen to the interview it says:

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is there another way to get this? i'd like to download it ya know...and don't care too much about the gov. shills ... it's their job to debunk it...when trinity allowed us to see the ips of people visiting glp i saw alot of gov and mil ips...also from the faa...it's no wonder.

to the shills:

please piss off! thank you!
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A six foot wide object at 1900 feet distance would be only 0.18 degrees wide. A 24 foot wide object at 1900 feet would be only 0.7 degrees wide. At greater distances, which would be the case for anyone not directly under the object, it would appear even smaller. This with the conflicting reports of its appearance (spinning, not spinning) makes for a very unreliable report. Yet you have already formed an opinion that it was an alien craft,

Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?


Good analysis, absolutely true. The aspect of this report that makes it very interesting is, of course, the "hole punch" thru the cloud deck.



Easily visualized if the "craft" is a spotlight shining on the bottom of a cloud. A few minutes before sunset on a completely overcast day it's pretty dark and a bright spotlight at only 1900 feet could produce a round appearing "object" on the botom of the clouds completely consistant with the reported sizes. The reports do say that it was at the bottom of the cloud deck. Likewise, the reports indicate no noise...still consistant with a spotlight. Now, how would it look if a small clearing in the clouds passed over the spot...the "object" would be seen to shoot up inside the clearing projected onto the wall of the clearing and leaving a clear path behind it.

Now...is this the more reasonable explanation, or is an alien spacecraft with all the nasty violations of physics that must be overcome more reasonable?

Remember Occam's Razor.


Just admit it. You PERSONALLY, are terrified that the thousands of sightings worldwide represent a reality YOU are too afraid to deal with.


I am not afraid of the truth, no matter what it might be.
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STUDY the centuries long history of UFO's, and you would would not debunk so quickly.

Educate yourself.
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another video of the sighting (tv news report). but don't expect to see the actual UFO, this is just what was on the news...

another one...

[link to www.youtube.com]

i downloaded both...so i can upload them if they disapear for some reason...
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A six foot wide object at 1900 feet distance would be only 0.18 degrees wide. A 24 foot wide object at 1900 feet would be only 0.7 degrees wide. At greater distances, which would be the case for anyone not directly under the object, it would appear even smaller. This with the conflicting reports of its appearance (spinning, not spinning) makes for a very unreliable report. Yet you have already formed an opinion that it was an alien craft,

Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?


Good analysis, absolutely true. The aspect of this report that makes it very interesting is, of course, the "hole punch" thru the cloud deck.



Easily visualized if the "craft" is a spotlight shining on the bottom of a cloud. A few minutes before sunset on a completely overcast day it's pretty dark and a bright spotlight at only 1900 feet could produce a round appearing "object" on the botom of the clouds completely consistant with the reported sizes. The reports do say that it was at the bottom of the cloud deck. Likewise, the reports indicate no noise...still consistant with a spotlight. Now, how would it look if a small clearing in the clouds passed over the spot...the "object" would be seen to shoot up inside the clearing projected onto the wall of the clearing and leaving a clear path behind it.

Now...is this the more reasonable explanation, or is an alien spacecraft with all the nasty violations of physics that must be overcome more reasonable?

Remember Occam's Razor.


Just admit it. You PERSONALLY, are terrified that the thousands of sightings worldwide represent a reality YOU are too afraid to deal with.


I am not afraid of the truth, no matter what it might be.


STUDY the centuries long history of UFO's, and you would would not debunk so quickly.

Educate yourself.
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I have and can find extremely little that cannot be easily explained by anyone with an open mind and a knowledge of physics. You apparenty have an agenda that everything is an alien spacecraft or a conspiricy. With that mindset, you'll never find the truth.
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downloaded this one too...
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thanks for the clips you are awesome.
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Nice pictures of clouds in that video.
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thanks for posting the videos I have tag using issues over here
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Nice pictures of clouds in that video.
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"clouds"
mh...yeah...suuuuure!

weird clouds eh? lol. go away man.
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This sighting took place at 4:30 pm on November 7, a Tuesday, during rush hour.

Does anyone have any idea how much street traffic surrounds O'Hare during rush hour?

The airport covers a large area. I suppose it's possible that nobody caught in rush hour gridlock saw this happen. But I know that whenever I've been stopped in traffic around the perimeter of the airport, there isn't a whole to do but look at the airport.

I'm just amazed that a witness hasn't come forward from outside O'Hare.
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Great thread OP! Last night, (evening of Thur, 4th Jan), CNN's Wolf Blitzer amazingly ran a story on the Chicago O'Hare Airport UFO (or whatever one terms it) sighting. It was shown in the Situation Room broadcast right before it ended - around 7pm. But after it started, it quickly became clear that they @ CNN were doing some sort of "damage control" psy-op. The UFO segement started right off with the Colorado shooting debris images (supposedly touted as Russia's rocket afterburner entering into earth atmosphere) as being "SPACE JUNK" and then CNN put up those exact words in big red banner at bottom of screen for the rest of the segment (grrrrrr!). And that was what it said as they next covered the O'Hare reports but did it in a very humorous way, adding cartoon images and spoofing the story as if it was part of some big bufoon joke.

Their doing this so obviously made me feel betrayed & angry... especially when it had been talked up earlier as if a major breaking report. And if I was one of those people in Chicago who observed this phenomenon & made the effort to report it (and too the heat) = I would be BLAZING FURIOUS at CNN... and Blitzer too. More & more, I wonder if Blitzer's actually a wolf in sheep's clothes -- one who talks out of both sides of his mouth & is like a double-agent working against humanity for the evil demon-possessed Illuminati ptb puppets?

Anyone else happen to see that segment ?

Despite all the damage control efforts in the world, it's now becoming more than obvious that major stuff is unfolding on every level and in every way possible + more = TSHTF BIGTIME! (YEEEEHAWWWWWW **%#@!!@%#**). --- Just look at what's going on with weather all over globe + other earthchanges,,, all sorts of freaky news reports, lots of events being deliberately downplayed or totally left out of the MMS so as to try to keep lids before mass freak-out hits hard & fast. It is becoming apparent that earth's natural systems are coming apart at the seams, the big energy shift is evolving into reality now? If not seen these threads, be sure to read about the many reports of strange phenomena taking place in various regions recently:

----12/2/06 "IF the government/pentagon folks found a Stargate"
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

---12/1/06 “Anyone feel an energy blast in NC?” [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Another possibility to consider is that certain things are being manipulated to appear in such a way = a DECEPTION... so as to accomplish secret sinister agendas on a global scale. Like, perhaps the planned destruction of the infrastructure of USA under guise of bizarre, freak storms, etc - all blamed on the supposed global warming taking place but actually being triggered via HAARP & scalar interferometrics, etc?

Whatever... really, there's no way for us to know by verification but we can all sharpen our intution and tune into inner discernment. Even those that are more of the mundane reality can keep close observations of all events taking place. Everyone keep keep on toes for the unusual and weird happenings on local levels & post breaking news reports ! And by all means, open your mind & heart so as to read between lines and sense the core of truth behind all things, especially to discern what is being delibertately faked, covered up, or distorted so as to deceive humanity.

Be aware - Be alert ! Never, never assume anything about this reality or what we are told to "believe" by those that rule over & exploit this planet !


PS: To wing-ed ID# 152412 who posted that list of National UFO Reporting Center DECEMBER REPORTS --- THANKS for taking the time for all that info = good work!

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