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Hi Dragon Force
I see you live in the UK... As do I

Would you please send me an email
as there are a few things I would like to chat about
re. the mind! and hemi/holo-sync.
and subliminals etc.

and Braiwain entrainment software

I understand that you might not want your email here

I will give you my hotmail email

If you would be so kind as to get in touch, I am sure there are several things that we both have an interest in.

my email is:
photosfx@hotmail.com


If any other readers in this thread have any information they would to share Re. any of the above, please feel free to email me.
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I am also very interested in the healing effects of all this, and would welcome any input that posters may have.

If anyone has any software that they would like to donate then that would be G R E A T.

Got most of the free stuff in cyberspace like the NCH Tone Genertor and the BrainWave Generator

any NLP stuff ... scripts that sort of thing.
Software to add subliminal Images and or WAV/MP3s etc.
that you may have would be put to very good use.

FIGHT FIRE WITH FIRE

That's what I say!
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As fpor the healing effects, I can't report on the first one since I didn't think to focus on healing during it, but during the second, I focuses on a ailment I have had for a couple of weeks. I focused on being healed. Within five minutes of the end of the tape, I started draining from my chest and sinuses. I after about half an hour the conditon had subsided and I have felt great all morning. I was gonna write about that but I forgot. I haven't tried this with the first mp3 so I can't report about it.
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you may want to check this page,the tracks are very powerful. if you need more links on the subject please tell me.

[link to gnomad.info]
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Has anyone noticed any affect on dreaming or lucid dreaming after listening to the 1st mp3.

I know i had an amazing night of lucid dreaming and flying, and im convinced i was flying around my own backyard, only i was half asleep.
Maybe it was just conincedence, but i will be trying the frist mp3 again tonight.

UK resident yes i will be in contact.
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"Binaural Beats WORKS!! SCARY SHIT!"

Yes it does "work", and yes it IS "SCARY"

You never know just what it is your listening to! Even if you buy this type of thing, let alone download an MP3 from a unknown source off the internet!!! What subliminal message are hidden in the white noise?

MK Ultra come to mind. Mind control,hypnosis, the CIA invested millions into subliminal messaging research way back in the 1950's.

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By Timothy L. Thomas. From Parameters, US Army War College Quartery, Vol. XXVIII, No. 1, Spring 1998.
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"Binaural Beats WORKS!! SCARY SHIT!"

Yes it does "work", and yes it IS "SCARY"

You never know just what it is your listening to! Even if you buy this type of thing, let alone download an MP3 from a unknown source off the internet!!! What subliminal message are hidden in the white noise?

MK Ultra come to mind. Mind control,hypnosis, the CIA invested millions into subliminal messaging research way back in the 1950's.

The Mind Has No Firewall
By Timothy L. Thomas. From Parameters, US Army War College Quartery, Vol. XXVIII, No. 1, Spring 1998.
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I must say I share your concern. I think these exercises should be approched with great care since they are playing with very powerful modalities of the human mind.

I don't yet know if the experience is similar to shamanistic journeying, but from my very short test run it seems like a very similar state of mind is achieved with an effectiveness that surprised me to the extent that it made me abort the exercise.

If the resulting state of mind is indeed similar, there is quite a lot of "old knowledge" that may be relevant to navigate safely in these spiritual realms. For instance, it is an almost mandatory first task when travelling in the shamanistic "otherworlds" to establish a good contact with your personal power animal, found in the "underworld" according to many traditions.

This "being" acts as a guardian and protector in subsequent encounters with other spirits in the under-, middle- and overworlds, which may be benevolent or evil in nature.
Normally, the first encounters with the spirit world are conducted under the supervision of a more experienced shamaizing person that has the power to intervene if anything goes wrong.

This may sound like a total crock of shit to you, I just feel it as my obligation to provide potentially useful and important information that could be relevant to the matter of discourse here.

Maybe I'm confusing what is achieved through using these tracks with shamanistic experiences, I don't know yet but just want to raise a small flag of concern. Experiences in shaman otherworlds are no walk in the park if this is where these tracks are taking you.

/L
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Very interesting Leopold,
thank you for talking about that element. I hadn't thought about this aspect, only about the military mind control projects.
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"I don't yet know if the experience is similar to shamanistic journeying, but from my very short test run it seems like a very similar state of mind is achieved with an effectiveness that surprised me to the extent that it made me abort the exercise."

Can you share what happened? Others mentioned concerns about this, on this thread too..........
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Very interesting Leopold, at the moment im watching a video interview with Dr Fred Alan wolf (from what the bleep) all about shamanism and his experiences with it. [link to video.google.co.uk]


If Fred is talking about it like then i dont consider it crazy or nutty at all. He was talking about this drug that is used in shamanism to acieve the alterd states.

I do agree you probably do need some kind of guide if you want to start traveling in the astral plane.
The first mp3 did make me disconnect with my physical body as far as i could tell, but i focused on staying right with my body, as ive heard bad things can happen if you just start travelling.
I would love to try astral travel though. Am i right in presuming you are a shaman leopold?

And what are you thoughts of lucid dreaming and flying around in vivid dreams, am i right in thinking that it is my astral body flying around but not aware of its self???
Do we not leave our bodys each time we go to sleep...
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Very interesting Leopold,
thank you for talking about that element. I hadn't thought about this aspect, only about the military mind control projects.
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Sorry I drifted away from the subject you raised which at least as important. Even if we have no reason to doubt that these files are "clean", we have all reasons to be just as suspicious of potential payloads as when we are downloading content to our computers from the Internet. To enter these altered states of consciousness is pretty much the equivalent of disabling all firewalls and antivirus protection, leaving us in a very vulnerable state.

Much credits to you for bringing this up.

/L
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infact i will disclose a strange experience that happend to me a few years back whilst listening to binaural beats.

I will try and make it short.
I downloaded from a p2p a hemisync holosync Delta waves track.
Being a teenager and at university at the time i was just trying it out to see if it could really do anything, so i put it on loop and went to sleep.
That night i had a very strange dream like experience.

Firstly i was in a black void. Then there was a large gold symbol shown to me, then i was somehow given the ablity to read this symbol all most as if it was a holographic 3D symbol. When i read the symbol it was like learning all the science in the universe instantly. For a short while i felt i knew all knowldege of the unvierse, and all my human problems meant nothing. I was just so happy at the realization of everything and that there was nothing to worry about, the universe is perfect.
Anyway at that point i woke up, and as soon as i tried to recall the knowledge it was all gone,, i could only remember the feeling of knowing it.
Like when you wake up from a flying dream and feel angry that you cant fly in real life, i was angry that i could nologer read the symbol.

But heres the crazy part, by chance i came accross the symbol that came to me in this experience, i had never seen or knew about this symbol before, but it actually exists.
Heres the link to it. [link to www.zhibit.org]
infact ive not seen this version of the image before but its even more like the dream as its in 3D and in space.
Amazing.
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I would love to try astral travel though. Am i right in presuming you are a shaman leopold?

And what are you thoughts of lucid dreaming and flying around in vivid dreams, am i right in thinking that it is my astral body flying around but not aware of its self???
Do we not leave our bodys each time we go to sleep...
 Quoting: DragonForce


No, I'm not a shaman in the true sense of the word. A shaman is a person that assumes a very special role in his/her community as a helper, using shamanistic techniques. This is not what I'm doing for a living although I try to help people around me to the best of my abilities, like most of us try to I guess.

I'm just a person that sometimes use shamanistic techniques to gain knowledge and the leverage needed to solve problems for others around me. Like any "real shaman", I never use the techniques to gain personal advantage or to cause harm to anyone.

Regarding dreams, some of them are indeed Power-full dreams in which work can be performed that is of the same kind that can be done during shaman journeying. Lucid dreaming seems to be the name many people use for these kinds of dream states.

You must also know that there is essentially no dogma in shamanism, different people "doing shamanism" have very different and personal experiences. You just need someone real physical experienced person to get you going and making the first contacts with "trusted beings" in the spirit world. The most important teachers you will have from that moment onwards are likely to be beings residing in the spirit world.

There are many crooks posing as shaman teachers, you recognize them quite easily in that they will charge you big money. However, you may be lucky to find short weekend courses you can take at rather low cost, basically just for food and lodging, that will get you started if you feel this could be something for you. Keep your eyes and ears open and you will find such opportunities, be critical and check out references and reputation because it is a very lucrative business with "mental development".

In principle, it is possible to embark on a shamanistic path all by yourself but it may be difficult and frustrating without guidance.

Thank you for your interest and good luck in your search!

/L

PS. Interesting dream experience you had! I don't recognize the symbol though. Typically it is the receiver of symbols and signs in dreams that are the only ones who can decode their meaning. Sometimes we can help each other decode the messages but in this case I'm afraid I have no clues to give you.
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Sorry, I almost forgot the most important element if you are attempting to make shaman journeys. You are always travelling on an extremely strong, clean intent. You have a purpose that is kept in a razor sharp focus throughout the journey. Without intent it will "just" be a mental relaxation exercise (which is not so bad of course). Example: "to get in touch with my power animal" (presuming an understanding how to recognize such an entity).

Maybe the strong intent is what makes the key difference, if there is any difference worth mentioning?
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is it safe to fall asleep with this stuff on loop?

I meditated on it but I kept itching so I didn't have a good meditation session. The air is dry...

I will try again tonight.
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is it safe to fall asleep with this stuff on loop?

I meditated on it but I kept itching so I didn't have a good meditation session. The air is dry...

I will try again tonight.
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According to DragonForce's earlier posts in this thread it shouldn't be any problems.

However, continuing the shaman analogy (if there is any), building on like 20k years of tradition... a shaman drum session may last for like 20-30 minutes with monotonous, steady drumming, and is finished with a couple of minutes of "callback drums" which is a much more rapid and irregular beat.

If making a shaman journey in the otherworlds, the callback is your cue to work yourself back through the rabbithole into reality, grounding yourself properly before entering full consciousness. If you fall asleep during the session, your intent/focus is lost. There is likely no harm done but on the other hand nothing will be achieved either, it is considered pointless more or less. The times I have fallen asleep during a session resulted in somewhat sore ears afterwards, temporary tinnitus-like symptoms.

Then again, nothing says it is a valid comparison, binaural tracks - shaman drums, neither in means or ends. It is just a hypothesis that could be interesting to explore.

/L
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Hey DragonForce!


...could you please e-mail me the mp3 file...?


...thanks in advance...

e-mail: bzmpr2001@yahoo.com



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I don't think the brainwave entrainment stuff is harmful at all. In my experience, it has as much to do with your own relaxation and meditation skills as it does the hemisync. The hemisync just gives you a little push along, helping to do something you could do on your own (although with much more work). It's not like LSD or something.
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I would love to try astral travel though. Am i right in presuming you are a shaman leopold?

And what are you thoughts of lucid dreaming and flying around in vivid dreams, am i right in thinking that it is my astral body flying around but not aware of its self???
Do we not leave our bodys each time we go to sleep...


No, I'm not a shaman in the true sense of the word. A shaman is a person that assumes a very special role in his/her community as a helper, using shamanistic techniques. This is not what I'm doing for a living although I try to help people around me to the best of my abilities, like most of us try to I guess.

I'm just a person that sometimes use shamanistic techniques to gain knowledge and the leverage needed to solve problems for others around me. Like any "real shaman", I never use the techniques to gain personal advantage or to cause harm to anyone.

Regarding dreams, some of them are indeed Power-full dreams in which work can be performed that is of the same kind that can be done during shaman journeying. Lucid dreaming seems to be the name many people use for these kinds of dream states.

You must also know that there is essentially no dogma in shamanism, different people "doing shamanism" have very different and personal experiences. You just need someone real physical experienced person to get you going and making the first contacts with "trusted beings" in the spirit world. The most important teachers you will have from that moment onwards are likely to be beings residing in the spirit world.

There are many crooks posing as shaman teachers, you recognize them quite easily in that they will charge you big money. However, you may be lucky to find short weekend courses you can take at rather low cost, basically just for food and lodging, that will get you started if you feel this could be something for you. Keep your eyes and ears open and you will find such opportunities, be critical and check out references and reputation because it is a very lucrative business with "mental development".

In principle, it is possible to embark on a shamanistic path all by yourself but it may be difficult and frustrating without guidance.

Thank you for your interest and good luck in your search!

/L

PS. Interesting dream experience you had! I don't recognize the symbol though. Typically it is the receiver of symbols and signs in dreams that are the only ones who can decode their meaning. Sometimes we can help each other decode the messages but in this case I'm afraid I have no clues to give you.
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Greetings Leopold,

Your care demonstrated you have not been taken by the False Light. Beware! Do not use binaural sounds without the manifested presence of your spiritual Soul Guard as some powerful dark influences may have just your spirit to deal with before taking charge... Meditation in Nature helps much better. BTW, why did you chose such a devilish avatar?

May God bless you.
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infact i will disclose a strange experience that happend to me a few years back whilst listening to binaural beats.

I will try and make it short.
I downloaded from a p2p a hemisync holosync Delta waves track.
Being a teenager and at university at the time i was just trying it out to see if it could really do anything, so i put it on loop and went to sleep.
That night i had a very strange dream like experience.

Firstly i was in a black void. Then there was a large gold symbol shown to me, then i was somehow given the ablity to read this symbol all most as if it was a holographic 3D symbol. When i read the symbol it was like learning all the science in the universe instantly. For a short while i felt i knew all knowldege of the unvierse, and all my human problems meant nothing. I was just so happy at the realization of everything and that there was nothing to worry about, the universe is perfect.
Anyway at that point i woke up, and as soon as i tried to recall the knowledge it was all gone,, i could only remember the feeling of knowing it.
Like when you wake up from a flying dream and feel angry that you cant fly in real life, i was angry that i could nologer read the symbol.

But heres the crazy part, by chance i came accross the symbol that came to me in this experience, i had never seen or knew about this symbol before, but it actually exists.
Heres the link to it. [link to www.zhibit.org]
infact ive not seen this version of the image before but its even more like the dream as its in 3D and in space.
Amazing.
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That picture! That is like the atom looking thingy I saw.
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i also would appreciate an mp3 sent to

gjamcg@optushome.com.au


I have been using brainwave generator for a few years with good success and would be very interested in comparing your creation to some of the brainwave presets.
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What was exactly your success AC 154985?
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Greetings Leopold,

Your care demonstrated you have not been taken by the False Light. Beware! Do not use binaural sounds without the manifested presence of your spiritual Soul Guard as some powerful dark influences may have just your spirit to deal with before taking charge... Meditation in Nature helps much better. BTW, why did you chose such a devilish avatar?

May God bless you.
 Quoting: TheApprentice


Greetings to you too, TheApprentice!

You just proved to me that you are not judging people by their appearances. This was one of the most important lessons I learned in the spirit realms, and my choice of avatar is my odd way of sharing that experience at this time.

I think you are right that natural sounds like drums can be a safer, although not as effective, way of reaching the desired state of deep trance- at least for some people like myself. I'm sure there was a reason why I - or a guarding spirit perhaps - aborted my binaural experience. I will not change the ways I'm used to and feel safe and comfortable with.

Thank you for your genuine concern, it is much appreciated!

Best regards,

/L
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Greetings to you too, TheApprentice!

You just proved to me that you are not judging people by their appearances. This was one of the most important lessons I learned in the spirit realms, and my choice of avatar is my odd way of sharing that experience at this time.

I think you are right that natural sounds like drums can be a safer, although not as effective, way of reaching the desired state of deep trance- at least for some people like myself. I'm sure there was a reason why I - or a guarding spirit perhaps - aborted my binaural experience. I will not change the ways I'm used to and feel safe and comfortable with.

Thank you for your genuine concern, it is much appreciated!

Best regards,

/L
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Greetings Leopold,

Due to your manifested thirst for knowledge here goes a hint true searchers find useful:
Adopting deep respiratory methods (I guess you know exactly what I'm talking here) in a FULLY harmonic natural setting, together with "energy" movements will get you deeply tunned without need of any external stimulus - like mantras, drums, drugs, physical/energy chakra stimulation, etc., etc. Those external stimulus always transport (a few or a lot of) interferences that may link you to improper energies, places and predispositions.

Beware of ANY kind of hard stimulus that can take control your own natural vibrations. Even a friend with good intentions can do you a lot of harm when used do produce those. As you may well know, there is more to liking than our mind knows, and there are very few ways of becoming aware of this. There are also forces that can temporarily take control of weak, unprepared souls who are just trying to help.

May God be in your path.
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Hey guys, thanks for all your input however I would like to ask if you guys could tell me about what you know of subliminal messages.

I've read a little about it and from what I understand, the person making the subliminal message greatly affects it. Based on what that person is feeling at the time of the making of for example the binaural beats, the person's thoughts, feelings, desires, intents are embedded into it as subliminal message. I don't know.

Tell me what you guys know, or maybe I'm confused with something else...
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Leopold
Then again, nothing says it is a valid comparison, binaural tracks - shaman drums, neither in means or ends. It is just a hypothesis that could be interesting to explore.
*********

Interesting since you are in tuned, to have stopped the binaural track. We are always looking for a quick fix in life. Instant success, fast weight loss pill, instant gratification, fast spiritual growth.

Knowledge takes time, growth takes time, there is no short cuts, quick fixes. Damage to ones spirit, and mind, body could be the end result.

I like the idea of drumming, breathing, silent reflection, prayers, meditation......Not a shortcut, technology of either military or modern science messing around with my mind and spirit......


I like your analogy when opening up ourselves to this new technology, like disabling our firewall & virus protection on our computers.......

Very wise Leopold:)

Thank you for your experience, and knowledge.....

Many Blessings to you......
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I wanna find out which frequency will send me on a mind-bending cozmic trip!!

Then I can write a track in Orion Platinum and distribute it equitably

Wish me luck!!
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hi
if you could include me in your list my email is jcamelo@clix.pt
thank you
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Can you send me the MP3 file please... my email is shabbychic_2005@yahoo.com

Thanks
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I turned on the speaker for the night at low volume.
Well the result was the dreams were quite vivid and freaky as hell.
I now forgot most of it but it was like 70's era movie,with deep plotline.
(i think i warched only 5-6 movies that old).
I didn't feel sleepy at any moment when i awakened.In fact i feel like i was solving math problems all night,and never stopped.
(the mp3 i was using the first posted in the thread)
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I case anyone wants to knwo the dream was like badly produced 70's movie about shapeshifting vampires.

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