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Mary, mother of God/theotokos? What are the Christian objections to Catholic and Orthodox Mariology?

 
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Wasn't the deification of Mary just an attempt to get Sophia back in on the act, to acknowledge in some way the divine feminine?

What about the ancient Triple Goddess...

Cyril of Jerusalem, in his Coptic Discourse, mentions the three Marys at the foot of the Cross (Mother Mary, Mary Magdalene, and Mary Salome)
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Perhaps. There was a Christian sect, the Collyridians, that worshipped her as a godess (Queen of Heaven?) And, if I remember correctly, they also baked cake offerings to her ( Jer. 7:18). But let's not kid ourself, Catholics worship her as a goddess too, even if they won't fess up to it. By my point was more about the ontological nature. Seems many Prostestants want Jesus to be fully God in hypostatic nature, but when it comes to the incarnation they prefer a Nestorian Jesus.
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How is there a difference between "Mother of God" and "God birther" lol? Also I'm Catholic, could write a book about Catholic doctrine on Mary, and I have no idea what Nestorianism or Chalcedon are.
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Huge difference if what's being birther is an incarnated being with no beginning. What's constitutes motherhood in that regard? But you of course already know this, you're only trying to rationalize Catholic dogma.
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Christianity, Jesus, god and the bible are just white men inventions. I bet that Jesus is a handsome unshaven white man while god is this old white man with a long beard sitting on a throne somewhere up there.
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Hey Mono aren't you doing the same thing as the Protestants you criticize?
The various Councils you disparage also were the ones that determined what scripture was authentic. I don't see you quoting the Gospel of Thomas or the Gospel of Barnabas, No you quote only Roman Catholic approved sources.
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Hey Mono aren't you doing the same thing as the Protestants you criticize?
The various Councils you disparage also were the ones that determined what scripture was authentic. I don't see you quoting the Gospel of Thomas or the Gospel of Barnabas, No you quote only Roman Catholic approved sources.
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I don't subscribe to Roman canon.

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Hey Mono aren't you doing the same thing as the Protestants you criticize?
The various Councils you disparage also were the ones that determined what scripture was authentic. I don't see you quoting the Gospel of Thomas or the Gospel of Barnabas, No you quote only Roman Catholic approved sources.
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I don't subscribe to Roman canon.

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Ok-- so what books are in your Bible--I have only seen you quote KJV
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Hey Mono aren't you doing the same thing as the Protestants you criticize?
The various Councils you disparage also were the ones that determined what scripture was authentic. I don't see you quoting the Gospel of Thomas or the Gospel of Barnabas, No you quote only Roman Catholic approved sources.
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I don't subscribe to Roman canon.

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Ok-- so what books are in your Bible--I have only seen you quote KJV
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Well I have to quote some translation. Lately it's been mostly the ESV. The OT is in my Bible, the rest is a hmm... hazy grey-area, and subject far to extensive for and probably not fit for this thread. I'll hopefully get around to it some day. I'm working on a few threads on canonicity.
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Mary does have a special place. The Orthodox tradition and the Roman one are NOT the same… you might want to learn the difference before lumping these two together…

you might also want to start with the basics when talking about why Mary is honored:

"And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. 45And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

Mary's Song of Praise
(1 Samuel 2:1-11)

46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

48For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed."

Luke 1:41-48
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Mary does have a special place. The Orthodox tradition and the Roman one are NOT the same… you might want to learn the difference before lumping these two together…

you might also want to start with the basics when talking about why Mary is honored:

"And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. 45And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

Mary's Song of Praise
(1 Samuel 2:1-11)

46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

48For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed."

Luke 1:41-48
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thats speaking about Hannah the Mother of Samuel you cultural thief.

get lost.
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Mary does have a special place. The Orthodox tradition and the Roman one are NOT the same… you might want to learn the difference before lumping these two together…

you might also want to start with the basics when talking about why Mary is honored:

"And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. 45And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

Mary's Song of Praise
(1 Samuel 2:1-11)

46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

48For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed."

Luke 1:41-48
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I did make a distintion. Clearly the RCC is adding to Ephesus. Extrapolating Catholic Mariolatry from that passage seems like quite the strech.

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Hey Mono aren't you doing the same thing as the Protestants you criticize?
The various Councils you disparage also were the ones that determined what scripture was authentic. I don't see you quoting the Gospel of Thomas or the Gospel of Barnabas, No you quote only Roman Catholic approved sources.
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the KJV Bible books were chosen based on a consensus of the Bishops of the then united Church… Rome broke from this and became political/papal…

the books of the New Testament are written by only those with first-hand contact with Christ--keeping it very strict and honest as possible…
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Hey Mono aren't you doing the same thing as the Protestants you criticize?
The various Councils you disparage also were the ones that determined what scripture was authentic. I don't see you quoting the Gospel of Thomas or the Gospel of Barnabas, No you quote only Roman Catholic approved sources.
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the KJV Bible books were chosen based on a consensus of the Bishops of the then united Church… Rome broke from this and became political/papal…

the books of the New Testament are written by only those with first-hand contact with Christ--keeping it very strict and honest as possible…
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Rofl. The KJV canon was chosen by the RCC. It was the Protestants that broke from Rome.
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Hey Mono aren't you doing the same thing as the Protestants you criticize?
The various Councils you disparage also were the ones that determined what scripture was authentic. I don't see you quoting the Gospel of Thomas or the Gospel of Barnabas, No you quote only Roman Catholic approved sources.
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the KJV Bible books were chosen based on a consensus of the Bishops of the then united Church… Rome broke from this and became political/papal…

the books of the New Testament are written by only those with first-hand contact with Christ--keeping it very strict and honest as possible…
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Rofl. The KJV canon was chosen by the RCC. It was the Protestants that broke from Rome.
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Mary does have a special place. The Orthodox tradition and the Roman one are NOT the same… you might want to learn the difference before lumping these two together…

you might also want to start with the basics when talking about why Mary is honored:

"And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. 45And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

Mary's Song of Praise
(1 Samuel 2:1-11)

46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

48For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed."

Luke 1:41-48
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I did make a distintion. Clearly the RCC is adding to Ephesus. Extrapolating Catholic Mariolatry from that passage seems like quite the strech.
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just to be clear: "Catholic" means "universal" and to accurate, the Roman church is not the true catholic Church, but the Roman catholic one…

the "Mary Worship" of Rome appears to be quite pagan and "goddess" inspired… lucifer is also "semirimus/venus" … so you can see where that is going… w Rome Christ is portrayed as a baby w mother or as crucified, but less often risen and powerful…
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Mary does have a special place. The Orthodox tradition and the Roman one are NOT the same… you might want to learn the difference before lumping these two together…

you might also want to start with the basics when talking about why Mary is honored:

"And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. 45And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

Mary's Song of Praise
(1 Samuel 2:1-11)

46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

48For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed."

Luke 1:41-48
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thats speaking about Hannah the Mother of Samuel you cultural thief.

get lost.
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It's dual prophecy, brah.
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Hey Mono aren't you doing the same thing as the Protestants you criticize?
The various Councils you disparage also were the ones that determined what scripture was authentic. I don't see you quoting the Gospel of Thomas or the Gospel of Barnabas, No you quote only Roman Catholic approved sources.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4975420


the KJV Bible books were chosen based on a consensus of the Bishops of the then united Church… Rome broke from this and became political/papal…

the books of the New Testament are written by only those with first-hand contact with Christ--keeping it very strict and honest as possible…
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Rofl. The KJV canon was chosen by the RCC. It was the Protestants that broke from Rome.
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ok, the actual manuscripts of the Gospels in KJV are based on the Textus Receptus, many of which were in Greek… and it is not a coincidence that with the fall of Constantinople in the 1400s, Europeans began to have access to many non-Latin manuscripts… it is doubtful Rome had anything to do with the release of these manuscripts, since they did everything they could to make access to the Bible impossible for the average person… killing, burning books and torturing people for over a thousand years…

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Mary does have a special place. The Orthodox tradition and the Roman one are NOT the same… you might want to learn the difference before lumping these two together…

you might also want to start with the basics when talking about why Mary is honored:

"And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. 45And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

Mary's Song of Praise
(1 Samuel 2:1-11)

46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

48For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed."

Luke 1:41-48
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thats speaking about Hannah the Mother of Samuel you cultural thief.

get lost.
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It's dual prophecy, brah.
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the Bible is full of encoded "typologies"… it is the most profound and predictive book on the planet… too bad more people do not know this… reading it, even without understanding, is very powerful… reading it without prayer can be dangerous, as people like to take it our of context and are ignorant of the deeper meanings…
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Mary does have a special place. The Orthodox tradition and the Roman one are NOT the same… you might want to learn the difference before lumping these two together…

you might also want to start with the basics when talking about why Mary is honored:

"And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. 45And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

Mary's Song of Praise
(1 Samuel 2:1-11)

46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

48For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed."

Luke 1:41-48
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I did make a distintion. Clearly the RCC is adding to Ephesus. Extrapolating Catholic Mariolatry from that passage seems like quite the strech.
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just to be clear: "Catholic" means "universal" and to accurate, the Roman church is not the true catholic Church, but the Roman catholic one…

the "Mary Worship" of Rome appears to be quite pagan and "goddess" inspired… lucifer is also "semirimus/venus" … so you can see where that is going… w Rome Christ is portrayed as a baby w mother or as crucified, but less often risen and powerful…
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The term Roman Catholic and primacy of the Roman See was asserted already in the 4th century. Some Evangelical apologists just like to practise a little history revisionism when they're forced to defend the Catholic creeds they subscribe to:

"Oh, uhm, Catholic? That's... a lower case c, yeah that's what it is, it totally means universal in this context. Pinky swear."

But it doesn't.

And there's no character called lucifer in the Bible.

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But yes, Mary seemingly filled a spiritual vacuum of sorts.
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Hey Mono aren't you doing the same thing as the Protestants you criticize?
The various Councils you disparage also were the ones that determined what scripture was authentic. I don't see you quoting the Gospel of Thomas or the Gospel of Barnabas, No you quote only Roman Catholic approved sources.
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the KJV Bible books were chosen based on a consensus of the Bishops of the then united Church… Rome broke from this and became political/papal…

the books of the New Testament are written by only those with first-hand contact with Christ--keeping it very strict and honest as possible…
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Rofl. The KJV canon was chosen by the RCC. It was the Protestants that broke from Rome.
 Quoting: Monotheism


ok, the actual manuscripts of the Gospels in KJV are based on the Textus Receptus, many of which were in Greek… and it is not a coincidence that with the fall of Constantinople in the 1400s, Europeans began to have access to many non-Latin manuscripts… it is doubtful Rome had anything to do with the release of these manuscripts, since they did everything they could to make access to the Bible impossible for the average person… killing, burning books and torturing people for over a thousand years…

yt: Walter Veith (13) Battle of the Bibles /Total Onslaught

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Good thing Pope Leo X of the Roman Catholic Church allowed Erasmus to make that translation then. Erasmus, Roman Catholic humanist. even dedicated it to his good friend, Pope Leo X. Kind of like how Pope Damasus I of the Roman Catholic Church ordered his protégé, the Roman Catholic Jerome, to translate his Roman Catholic canon. Which later became the King James Bible of course.
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Colossians 2:18 King James Version (KJV)

18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

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17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

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14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.

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the KJV Bible books were chosen based on a consensus of the Bishops of the then united Church… Rome broke from this and became political/papal…

the books of the New Testament are written by only those with first-hand contact with Christ--keeping it very strict and honest as possible…
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Rofl. The KJV canon was chosen by the RCC. It was the Protestants that broke from Rome.
 Quoting: Monotheism


ok, the actual manuscripts of the Gospels in KJV are based on the Textus Receptus, many of which were in Greek… and it is not a coincidence that with the fall of Constantinople in the 1400s, Europeans began to have access to many non-Latin manuscripts… it is doubtful Rome had anything to do with the release of these manuscripts, since they did everything they could to make access to the Bible impossible for the average person… killing, burning books and torturing people for over a thousand years…

yt: Walter Veith (13) Battle of the Bibles /Total Onslaught

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Good thing Pope Leo X of the Roman Catholic Church allowed Erasmus to make that translation then. Erasmus, Roman Catholic humanist. even dedicated it to his good friend, Pope Leo X. Kind of like how Pope Damasus I of the Roman Catholic Church ordered his protégé, the Roman Catholic Jerome, to translate his Roman Catholic canon. Which later became the King James Bible of course.
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Seems like an interesting video though. I'll watch some more when I get around to it.
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all this coz of a mushroom lol
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Jesus existed long before Mary in spirit. She gave birth to his human body only.

Why is this even an issue?
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Somebody wishes to sow discord, division and strife

for the purposes of evil.
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all this coz of a mushroom lol
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pick lol
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Seems many Prostestants want Jesus to be fully God in hypostatic nature, but when it comes to the incarnation they prefer a Nestorian Jesus.
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Hey Mono aren't you doing the same thing as the Protestants you criticize?
The various Councils you disparage also were the ones that determined what scripture was authentic. I don't see you quoting the Gospel of Thomas or the Gospel of Barnabas, No you quote only Roman Catholic approved sources.
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the books of the New Testament are written by only those with first-hand contact with Christ--keeping it very strict and honest as possible…
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That is why the first gospel of the NT (Mark's) was written decades after Jesus' supposed death.
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Seems many Prostestants want Jesus to be fully God in hypostatic nature, but when it comes to the incarnation they prefer a Nestorian Jesus.
 Quoting: Monotheism


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Am I wrong?
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How is there a difference between "Mother of God" and "God birther" lol? Also I'm Catholic, could write a book about Catholic doctrine on Mary, and I have no idea what Nestorianism or Chalcedon are.
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Huge difference if what's being birther is an incarnated being with no beginning. What's constitutes motherhood in that regard? But you of course already know this, you're only trying to rationalize Catholic dogma.
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Please, you know exactly what I mean. There's no difference between "mother of (insert any living being)" and "(insert any living being) birther." I'm just pointing out an obvious fact, not "trying to rationalize Catholic dogma." Thanks for showing us your true colors though.

And for everyone talking about how Catholics deify Mary, we don't. It's funny to see you try to lecture people about Catholic Marian doctrine when you are completely uninformed about a major, fundamental aspect of it.
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Re: Mary, mother of God/theotokos? What are the Christian objections to Catholic and Orthodox Mariology?
Mary does have a special place. The Orthodox tradition and the Roman one are NOT the same… you might want to learn the difference before lumping these two together…

you might also want to start with the basics when talking about why Mary is honored:

"And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy. 45And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

Mary's Song of Praise
(1 Samuel 2:1-11)

46And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

48For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed."

Luke 1:41-48
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I did make a distintion. Clearly the RCC is adding to Ephesus. Extrapolating Catholic Mariolatry from that passage seems like quite the strech.
 Quoting: Monotheism


just to be clear: "Catholic" means "universal" and to accurate, the Roman church is not the true catholic Church, but the Roman catholic one…

the "Mary Worship" of Rome appears to be quite pagan and "goddess" inspired… lucifer is also "semirimus/venus" … so you can see where that is going… w Rome Christ is portrayed as a baby w mother or as crucified, but less often risen and powerful…
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Learn history. The Catholic Church today is the same as the Catholic Church that chose the books of the New Testament in the 4th century.





GLP