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Yes, AFTER the GREAT Tribulation.

20And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 181422

REPLY: I repeat again, the phrase "after the tribulation" is not what the bible says. This phrase is added to scripture in error by those who only "interpret" it "traditionally" to mean this.

Trained for this, read this....


And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,


Dragon, serpent, IS the devil, and satan.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 181422

REPLY: Yes, I have read this many times. In my early life I read it in error and thought it referred to Satan. However let's put the two verses in question together for comparison sake:
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
 Quoting: From the Bible KJV


Take note that Devil and Satan start with capital letters. When not capitalized it could refer to any demon or devils as seen here in Matthew 24:4.
and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils,
 Quoting: From the Bible KJV


Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever
 Quoting: From the Bible KJV

Take not that the word "devil" is NOT capitalized here.


The Hebrew phrase Benei Elohim, often translated as "sons of God", describes angels, humans, interchange. You need to read the entire chapter, to find out if sons of God is referring to angels, or humans.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 181422

REPLY: There is no need to attempt to determine what is being referred to since it never means anythng other than humans. The book of Hebrews attest to this fact by saying that God at no time God has called an angel a son.

NONE of the angels, good or bad have bodies, or seed. satan has NO physical body, only a body of light energy. However he has used man as tools, to use technology past and present to clone/genetically engineer alien bodies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 181422

REPLY: All angels including Satan were CREATED physical beings with temendous spiritual capabilities.

Satan or an angel never had or will ever have intercourse, they have no body.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 181422

REPLY: Correct! About intercourse since they have no reproductive organs or system. Wrong about bodies.

I believe all the ufos we see at this time, and not the Angels of the Lord. They are the fallen angels, or military aircrafts, to bring on the strong delusion. Jesus does NOT need a spaceship.
The high tech extraterrestrials are demons. This is the only consistent, scientific, and biblically sound explanation. 2 Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2 Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2 Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2 Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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REPLY: Great scripture reference. Most correct you are here for the most part with your summation; just don't overlook the fact that aliens are clones of fallen angels.

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Yes, of course. Satan, for one, is a bigger fantasy than Santa Claus.


REPLY: This is exactly what Satan wants humanity to think. It is obvious that has already deceived some.

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Built in "confirmations" of your belief system are the least credible. By that I mean statements within your dogma that says something like "If non-believers say 'X', then that proves 'Y'". Here, you say that, because I have denied that Satan is a reality, I am therefore proving your dogma that says "Satan's biggest trick is to claim he doesn't exist." This says that:

a. I am helping Satan deceive,,
b. Satan is real, and,
c. Satan is doing what was predicted, therefore providing further evidence that he exists.

No, Satan doesn't exist other than in the mind and primitive beliefs of religion.
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Yes, of course. Satan, for one, is a bigger fantasy than Santa Claus.


REPLY: This is exactly what Satan wants humanity to think. It is obvious that has already deceived some.

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Built in "confirmations" of your belief system are the least credible. By that I mean statements within your dogma that says something like "If non-believers say 'X', then that proves 'Y'". Here, you say that, because I have denied that Satan is a reality, I am therefore proving your dogma that says "Satan's biggest trick is to claim he doesn't exist." This says that:

a. I am helping Satan deceive,,
b. Satan is real, and,
c. Satan is doing what was predicted, therefore providing further evidence that he exists.
 Quoting: Mickey Martian

REPLY: I believe Sherlock Holmes would say "you've got it Watson!". Though I don't believe you do it on purpose. Nonetheless it produces the same results which you are soon to discover.

No, Satan doesn't exist other than in the mind and primitive beliefs of religion.
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REPLY: Sadly, many people are in agreement with you. Which they are soon to see different. So many could be spared the end results of the matter if they only understood.

Mickey, have you ever wondered if Mars ever had life. You are soon to see a repeat of what happened on Mars sadly here on earth.

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No, Satan doesn't exist other than in the mind and primitive beliefs of religion.

REPLY: Sadly, many people are in agreement with you. Which they are soon to see different. So many could be spared the end results of the matter if they only understood.

Mickey, have you ever wondered if Mars ever had life. You are soon to see a repeat of what happened on Mars sadly here on earth.

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You do only one thing here and that is to maintain the fear in Christians upon which the religion is built. Your dogmatic approach to spirituality cannot survive any other way. You push fear at every turn: the non-existent Satan, demonic aliens, planetary destruction, etc. According to you, we must worship jesus or suffer an eternal, tortuous existence.

I must ask: you state continually how evil alien visitors are because they abduct humans against their will. Yet, you worship an ancient, tribal god who demands worship -- demands the subjection of our will to his -- or he will bring eternal death upon us. Which is worse -- the alien who occasionally examines/implants people against their will (such abductions could very well be for the benefit of humanity), or a god who threatens eternal harm if we don't give up our will to worship him?
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"Questions FOR Aliens..............................."
Does ur shit stink ?
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I must ask: you state continually how evil alien visitors are because they abduct humans against their will. Yet, you worship an ancient, tribal god who demands worship -- demands the subjection of our will to his -- or he will bring eternal death upon us. Which is worse -- the alien who occasionally examines/implants people against their will (such abductions could very well be for the benefit of humanity), or a god who threatens eternal harm if we don't give up our will to worship him?
 Quoting: Mickey Martian


REPLY: Mickey it is obvious you misunderstand the God of the Universe who offers free will to all His Children. I worship and love Him for what He has done that no man could do. You like many others do not understand what He has done and you therefore view Him as a God of vengence. It is not God who threatens anyone. Allow me to give you an example.

If there was an awful INFECTION that would kill you and you were warned by the Doctor to stay clear of it but you were given free will to go near it. If you chose to go near it after being warned that the INFECTION would contaminate you so bad that it would kill you from the inside out and you would become destroyed because of this INFECTION, would it be the Doctor who is vengeful or have you destroyed yourself as you would have to become quarantined to a place where others have the same INFECTION and can never leave the area of quarantine?

Now lets take it a step further. The doctor knows you have free will and because of it you may get too close so he has devised a remedy BUT you refuse to accept the medication. Is the doctor vengeful and mean or have you destroyed yourself?

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For TRAINED FOR THIS : I think ur full of BS.
Why ? I was at an orthodox ceremony on a Sunday and the folkin' priest kept saying Israel that,israel this,and i was like WTF ?????
F'em ,and their BS wannabe religion
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"If there was an awful INFECTION that would kill you and you were warned by the Doctor to stay clear of it but you were given free will to go near it. If you chose to go near it after being warned that the INFECTION would contaminate you so bad that it would kill you from the inside out and you would become destroyed because of this INFECTION, would it be the Doctor who is vengeful or have you destroyed yourself as you would have to become quarantined to a place where others have the same INFECTION and can never leave the area of quarantine?

Now lets take it a step further. The doctor knows you have free will and because of it you may get too close so he has devised a remedy BUT you refuse to accept the medication. Is the doctor vengeful and mean or have you destroyed yourself?"
Let me correct ur Example if I may:

The "doctor" is actually a book written by God knows who,who only TELLS ppl that they will die from an "infection" no one has ever seen,It offers them a "remedy" from a never seen/heard "infection" which it states it will burn their inner beings forever IF,and only If,they do not obey and repent for their wicked ways.....

Please,i think u realize that even if someone wanted to follow those teachings exactly,it would be impossible for his/her entire life,therefore the main reason i see for such a book is to put Fear into ur heart,and anyone which is controlled through fear of his/her own accord is lowering him/herself....

...my 2 cents
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Let me correct ur Example if I may:

The "doctor" is actually a book written by God knows who,who only TELLS ppl that they will die from an "infection" no one has ever seen,It offers them a "remedy" from a never seen/heard "infection" which it states it will burn their inner beings forever IF,and only If,they do not obey and repent for their wicked ways.....

Please,i think u realize that even if someone wanted to follow those teachings exactly,it would be impossible for his/her entire life,therefore the main reason i see for such a book is to put Fear into ur heart,and anyone which is controlled through fear of his/her own accord is lowering him/herself....

...my 2 cents
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REPLY: The doctor is not a book. However the doctor did write a book. Also the book you speak of only gives 10 rules to follow which can be condensed into two rules. What is so hard about those simple rules. There should not even have to be rules. The rules mentioned should be done naturally.

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I must ask: you state continually how evil alien visitors are because they abduct humans against their will. Yet, you worship an ancient, tribal god who demands worship -- demands the subjection of our will to his -- or he will bring eternal death upon us. Which is worse -- the alien who occasionally examines/implants people against their will (such abductions could very well be for the benefit of humanity), or a god who threatens eternal harm if we don't give up our will to worship him?


REPLY: Mickey it is obvious you misunderstand the God of the Universe who offers free will to all His Children. I worship and love Him for what He has done that no man could do. You like many others do not understand what He has done and you therefore view Him as a God of vengence. It is not God who threatens anyone. Allow me to give you an example.

If there was an awful INFECTION that would kill you and you were warned by the Doctor to stay clear of it but you were given free will to go near it. If you chose to go near it after being warned that the INFECTION would contaminate you so bad that it would kill you from the inside out and you would become destroyed because of this INFECTION, would it be the Doctor who is vengeful or have you destroyed yourself as you would have to become quarantined to a place where others have the same INFECTION and can never leave the area of quarantine?

Now lets take it a step further. The doctor knows you have free will and because of it you may get too close so he has devised a remedy BUT you refuse to accept the medication. Is the doctor vengeful and mean or have you destroyed yourself?

Thanks for asking..............
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Once again, for the millionth time, you've failed to answer a direct and fair question. You are afraid to answer. You fear exposure.

On the other hand, I'll deal with your pathetic analogy head on.

Presumably, the doctor is not all-knowing or all-powerful. Your god, you claim, is. Therefore, your god is responsible for everything that has been created in this universe. The doctor would not be responsible for creating the virus, nor would he be able to stop it. Your god set the penalty for disobediance to him as death. Implicit in your analogy is the subtle hint that "free will" is the same as "infection". To compare free will to worship other gods, take a path other than that of christianity, etc to purposely exposing oneself to an infection is simply absurd and dishonest. Those who aren't christians aren't choosing a deadly infection, we simply choose to pursue spirituality a different way. If your god compares free thought and the free exercise of our will as deadly, then he is indeed no different than what you claim aliens are.

It is akin to a parent, who has complete control over their child, setting up rules and conditions that, if broken, would lead to the death of the child. It's simply perverted for a god to give us free will, set up conditions under which he knows we would violate the various laws he set up which carry a death penalty/eternal damnation, himself disappear for eons and make himself known only to a select few, etc. and then damn us for looking elsewhere for spiritual growth.

Your god is non-existent. He was a tribal diety and nothing more. He has no more power than a Norse god, a Greek god, or any other diety that doesn't exist. That doesn't mean I don't think there is a god, somewhere. He/she/it just isn't an egotistical, power-hungry madman.
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Please,i think u realize that even if someone wanted to follow those teachings exactly,it would be impossible for his/her entire life,therefore the main reason i see for such a book is to put Fear into ur heart,and anyone which is controlled through fear of his/her own accord is lowering him/herself....

...my 2 cents
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You're absolutely correct. Fear is the only way this religion can survive. Love doesn't drive christianity, fear does. Would you want to worship a god who would destroy that virus or one that would play games with you like you're a rat in order to see what you'd do?
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JEDisciple,


When you say this:

The only Way to earn pardon is to become good and Love. On the Day, all those who did not earn their pardon will be executed.


Do you understand that by declaring this, you are ignoring the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ?

Do you deny that Jesus Christ died on the cross to remove our sins, to place 'paid in full' on the list of our infractions of the law? That this pardon is a gift of grace?

Why do you deny the atonement?
"See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ." (Colossians 2:8)
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And, if you are still here, JEDisciple,

Actually our leader is Christ. He is King of Earth. He might appear brutal to someone that can't tell good from evil. It is my understanding He is God's greatest general and first-born son, Archangel Michael.


******************

I see here, you are saying that the Archangel Michael is the Christ. But you also said that you are learning from Jesus. Which is it? Why do you think Michael is God's son instead of Jesus Christ?
"See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ." (Colossians 2:8)
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Blood sacrifice is perverted. Christianity requires blood sacrifice for salvation. So, it is no better than any other primitive religion.
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I must ask: you state continually how evil alien visitors are because they abduct humans against their will. Yet, you worship an ancient, tribal god who demands worship -- demands the subjection of our will to his -- or he will bring eternal death upon us. Which is worse -- the alien who occasionally examines/implants people against their will (such abductions could very well be for the benefit of humanity), or a god who threatens eternal harm if we don't give up our will to worship him?


REPLY: Mickey it is obvious you misunderstand the God of the Universe who offers free will to all His Children. I worship and love Him for what He has done that no man could do. You like many others do not understand what He has done and you therefore view Him as a God of vengence. It is not God who threatens anyone. Allow me to give you an example.

If there was an awful INFECTION that would kill you and you were warned by the Doctor to stay clear of it but you were given free will to go near it. If you chose to go near it after being warned that the INFECTION would contaminate you so bad that it would kill you from the inside out and you would become destroyed because of this INFECTION, would it be the Doctor who is vengeful or have you destroyed yourself as you would have to become quarantined to a place where others have the same INFECTION and can never leave the area of quarantine?

Now lets take it a step further. The doctor knows you have free will and because of it you may get too close so he has devised a remedy BUT you refuse to accept the medication. Is the doctor vengeful and mean or have you destroyed yourself?

Thanks for asking..............


Once again, for the millionth time, you've failed to answer a direct and fair question. You are afraid to answer. You fear exposure.
 Quoting: Mickey Martian

REPLY: It appears that there is a communication problem here. Your question was answered when I said God is not the one threatening anyone. If I asked you do you prefer to give birth to a boy or a girl? You could not give a valid answer if you can't become pregnant. You answer should be I can not give birth so your question is irrelevant.

On the other hand, I'll deal with your pathetic analogy head on.

Presumably, the doctor is not all-knowing or all-powerful. Your god, you claim, is. Therefore, your god is responsible for everything that has been created in this universe. The doctor would not be responsible for creating the virus, nor would he be able to stop it.
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REPLY: God is responsible for all things but did not create the INFECTION. Since He takes responsibility for the INFECTION He has created a remedy. The INFECTION was brought about by His close assistant at that time. This assistant took it upon himself to set things in motion without permission therefore causing the INFECTION.

Your god set the penalty for disobediance to him as death.
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REPLY: This penalty is not something dished out by God. It is the direct result of the disobedience. For instance the penalty for sticking your hand in fire is that your hand will be burned. The burns do not have to be administered they are the results of sticking your hand in the fire.

Implicit in your analogy is the subtle hint that "free will" is the same as "infection".
To compare free will to worship other gods, take a path other than that of christianity, etc to purposely exposing oneself to an infection is simply absurd and dishonest. Those who aren't christians aren't choosing a deadly infection, we simply choose to pursue spirituality a different way.
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REPLY: Unfortunately you have missed my representation of the INFECTION. The choices that one may make is not the INFECTION but are symptoms of the infection. The infection is a related to a corrupted "spirit" similar to a corrupt file on a hard drive. The corrupt spirit separates one from God. Like anything elese, when you are severed from the source of life you began to die though not necessarily immediately. The evil assistant knew that if he separated God's children from Him, that they would become confused about their decisions. The decisions they would make would even serve to separate them more and more throughout the generations. This is why every generation gets worse. The INFECTION becomes worse. Eventually the INFECTION is so bad (corrupt spirit) they don't even recognize God and began to do more things that causes for more destruction in ignorance. They poison their land, their air, their food, etc, until they eventually destroy themselves. God comes by later and cleans up the mess left after it has all self destructed by refusing to take the remedy. Just as it happened on Mars and at Zeta Reticuli.

If your god compares free thought and the free exercise of our will as deadly, then he is indeed no different than what you claim aliens are.
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REPLY: Sadly mankind has chosen to shoot himself in the foot. Which is deadly.

It is akin to a parent, who has complete control over their child, setting up rules and conditions that, if broken, would lead to the death of the child. It's simply perverted for a god to give us free will, set up conditions under which he knows we would violate the various laws he set up which carry a death penalty/eternal damnation, himself disappear for eons and make himself known only to a select few, etc. and then damn us for looking elsewhere for spiritual growth.
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REPLY: I guess you would rather God hit the child in the head with a stick or a brick to stop him from self destructing. Then you could call the police and scream child abuse. Not God's way. He prefers free will because of His love. Also He tried once to show mankind the correct way and they took the body He made for Himself and beat Him to a pulp, paraded Him through the streets, nailed Him to two pieces of wood, stuck a spear in His side and left Him to die on a hill for all to see.

Your god is non-existent. He was a tribal diety and nothing more. He has no more power than a Norse god, a Greek god, or any other diety that doesn't exist. That doesn't mean I don't think there is a god, somewhere. He/she/it just isn't an egotistical, power-hungry madman.
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REPLY: At least you probably hope this is true. Sadly it is not and your infection will be your own undoing as you refuse the remedy as so many others have. However the medicine is still available. God gives life, Satan destroys!

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Blood sacrifice is perverted. Christianity requires blood sacrifice for salvation. So, it is no better than any other primitive religion.
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Every religion on earth has a sacrificial system.

Christianity is the only one that banned it for all time.
"See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ." (Colossians 2:8)
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Trained for this, will you PLEASE discuss what JEDisciple said. He answered all your questions, but denies abductions, hybrids and cloning.

I believe he is also denying the vicarious atonement of Jesus Christ.

Still, he answered you questions. Comments?
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Blood sacrifice is perverted. Christianity requires blood sacrifice for salvation. So, it is no better than any other primitive religion.


Every religion on earth has a sacrificial system.

Christianity is the only one that banned it for all time.
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Christianity is based on blood sacrifice. Without the blood there is no salvation.
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Oh, really? These guys aren't Christians:

[link to www.sweetness-light.com]
"See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ." (Colossians 2:8)
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Oh, really? These guys aren't Christians:

[link to www.sweetness-light.com]
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That's just another dishonest attempt to avoid the truth. You know that, under christian belief, unless jesus spilled his own blood we would not have salvation. That is the essense of christianity and you are trying to avoid facing that.
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Trained for this, will you PLEASE discuss what JEDisciple said. He answered all your questions, but denies abductions, hybrids and cloning.

I believe he is also denying the vicarious atonement of Jesus Christ.

Still, he answered you questions. Comments?
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You're ignoring the fact that I too answered TFT's question AFTER he ran from the one I asked him. If he needs time to think that's ok. The direct line to jesus is probably down right now.
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Oh, really? These guys aren't Christians:

[link to www.sweetness-light.com]


That's just another dishonest attempt to avoid the truth. You know that, under christian belief, unless jesus spilled his own blood we would not have salvation. That is the essense of christianity and you are trying to avoid facing that.
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It was done 2,000 years ago. It was quite common then, now we turn our noses up at it, but that is ONLY because Jesus died once for all. It is over, fulfilled, finished, completed, and that which has been completed is now obsolete.

Aren't you glad? I am!

If not for Christianity, you might be one of those slobs in the pictures at sweetness and light. Praise God we're Christians!
"See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ." (Colossians 2:8)
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REPOST OF A VERY IMPORTANT POST:

I must ask: you state continually how evil alien visitors are because they abduct humans against their will. Yet, you worship an ancient, tribal god who demands worship -- demands the subjection of our will to his -- or he will bring eternal death upon us. Which is worse -- the alien who occasionally examines/implants people against their will (such abductions could very well be for the benefit of humanity), or a god who threatens eternal harm if we don't give up our will to worship him?


REPLY: Mickey it is obvious you misunderstand the God of the Universe who offers free will to all His Children. I worship and love Him for what He has done that no man could do. You like many others do not understand what He has done and you therefore view Him as a God of vengence. It is not God who threatens anyone. Allow me to give you an example.

If there was an awful INFECTION that would kill you and you were warned by the Doctor to stay clear of it but you were given free will to go near it. If you chose to go near it after being warned that the INFECTION would contaminate you so bad that it would kill you from the inside out and you would become destroyed because of this INFECTION, would it be the Doctor who is vengeful or have you destroyed yourself as you would have to become quarantined to a place where others have the same INFECTION and can never leave the area of quarantine?

Now lets take it a step further. The doctor knows you have free will and because of it you may get too close so he has devised a remedy BUT you refuse to accept the medication. Is the doctor vengeful and mean or have you destroyed yourself?

Thanks for asking..............


Once again, for the millionth time, you've failed to answer a direct and fair question. You are afraid to answer. You fear exposure.
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REPLY: It appears that there is a communication problem here. Your question was answered when I said God is not the one threatening anyone. If I asked you do you prefer to give birth to a boy or a girl? You could not give a valid answer if you can't become pregnant. You answer should be I can not give birth so your question is irrelevant.

On the other hand, I'll deal with your pathetic analogy head on.

Presumably, the doctor is not all-knowing or all-powerful. Your god, you claim, is. Therefore, your god is responsible for everything that has been created in this universe. The doctor would not be responsible for creating the virus, nor would he be able to stop it.
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REPLY: God is responsible for all things but did not create the INFECTION. Since He takes responsibility for the INFECTION He has created a remedy. The INFECTION was brought about by His close assistant at that time. This assistant took it upon himself to set things in motion without permission therefore causing the INFECTION.


Your god set the penalty for disobediance to him as death.
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REPLY: This penalty is not something dished out by God. It is the direct result of the disobedience. For instance the penalty for sticking your hand in fire is that your hand will be burned. The burns do not have to be administered they are the results of sticking your hand in the fire.

Implicit in your analogy is the subtle hint that "free will" is the same as "infection".
To compare free will to worship other gods, take a path other than that of christianity, etc to purposely exposing oneself to an infection is simply absurd and dishonest. Those who aren't christians aren't choosing a deadly infection, we simply choose to pursue spirituality a different way.
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REPLY: Unfortunately you have missed my representation of the INFECTION. The choices that one may make is not the INFECTION but are symptoms of the infection. The infection is a related to a corrupted "spirit" similar to a corrupt file on a hard drive. The corrupt spirit separates one from God. Like anything elese, when you are severed from the source of life you began to die though not necessarily immediately. The evil assistant knew that if he separated God's children from Him, that they would become confused about their decisions. The decisions they would make would even serve to separate them more and more throughout the generations. This is why every generation gets worse. The INFECTION becomes worse. Eventually the INFECTION is so bad (corrupt spirit) they don't even recognize God and began to do more things that causes for more destruction in ignorance. They poison their land, their air, their food, etc, until they eventually destroy themselves. God comes by later and cleans up the mess left after it has all self destructed by refusing to take the remedy. Just as it happened on Mars and at Zeta Reticuli.

If your god compares free thought and the free exercise of our will as deadly, then he is indeed no different than what you claim aliens are.
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REPLY: Sadly mankind has chosen to shoot himself in the foot. Which is deadly.

It is akin to a parent, who has complete control over their child, setting up rules and conditions that, if broken, would lead to the death of the child. It's simply perverted for a god to give us free will, set up conditions under which he knows we would violate the various laws he set up which carry a death penalty/eternal damnation, himself disappear for eons and make himself known only to a select few, etc. and then damn us for looking elsewhere for spiritual growth.
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REPLY: I guess you would rather God hit the child in the head with a stick or a brick to stop him from self destructing. Then you could call the police and scream child abuse. Not God's way. He prefers free will because of His love. Also He tried once to show mankind the correct way and they took the body He made for Himself and beat Him to a pulp, paraded Him through the streets, nailed Him to two pieces of wood, stuck a spear in His side and left Him to die on a hill for all to see.


Your god is non-existent. He was a tribal diety and nothing more. He has no more power than a Norse god, a Greek god, or any other diety that doesn't exist. That doesn't mean I don't think there is a god, somewhere. He/she/it just isn't an egotistical, power-hungry madman.
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REPLY: At least you probably hope this is true. Sadly it is not and your infection will be your own undoing as you refuse the remedy as so many others have. However the medicine is still available. God gives life, Satan destroys!

Thanks for commenting.............
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Trained for this, will you PLEASE discuss what JEDisciple said. He answered all your questions, but denies abductions, hybrids and cloning.

I believe he is also denying the vicarious atonement of Jesus Christ.

Still, he answered you questions. Comments?
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REPLY: Yes my comment would be that the thread's title is "Questions FOR Aliens", NOT questions for JEDisciple. He can remain in his position for I am not concerned about anyone elses answers except the aliens and also I already know the answers so it is useless for anyone other the aliens to supply the answers. And of course they would lie in regards to the answers. Therefore all other answers are irrevelant including the lying aliens answer.

Thanks for asking......
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5. Why in your experiments and abductions do you focus on the reproductive system of humanity?
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REPLY: The reproduction system of mankind is most important to the aliens because it is where they believe the secret is housed concerning the ingredient they are missing to prevent their destruction. The soul of course is this missing ingredient. As I stated earlier in this thread, without a soul there is no opportunity to live eternally since the soul is the only vehicle that carries all information that one has experienced while physically alive. Life does not end after physical death. The soul which is located has your spirit contained in it. A death it goes back to God if one does not carry the infection called sin. If one is infected with sin the soul goes immediately to hell; where it is tortured and eventually destroyed by Satan. Since angels were created to live eternally by God they had no need for souls. Therefore when the fallen angels were cast down by God and placed in a position to experience death it meant they needed a soul badly.

The soul is placed in the embryo in the womb at the division of the first cell in the womb if that zygote's membrane has not been tampered with after fertilization . If the zygote in pierced or injected in any way, the soul is not attached. The aliens feel the reproductive system may carry the clue that they have been looking for. The soul attachment is automatic and can not be done artificially. If you understand how clones are made by man and aliens they you can understand why they have no souls. Once the physical part of a being dies physically the memories and iformation about those memories began to fade away unti they are gone FOREVER. It would be as though the individual had never lived. And the energy of that person just merges with the other energy of the Universe. There is no reincarnation.

The fallen angels do not want to die including Satan. They do not want their energy to become just dispersed in the Universe. It becomes just energy without knowledge. Satan's time is getting shorter and shorter each time God sets another planet free from the effects of the infection called sin. All of their probing and experimentation of the human reproduction system is mainly for this purpose.

Thanks for reading............
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REPOST OF A VERY IMPORTANT POST:
Which is worse -- the alien who occasionally examines/implants people against their will (such abductions could very well be for the benefit of humanity), or a god who threatens eternal harm if we don't give up our will to worship him?

REPLY: Mickey it is obvious you misunderstand the God of the Universe who offers free will to all His Children. I worship and love Him for what He has done that no man could do. You like many others do not understand what He has done and you therefore view Him as a God of vengence. It is not God who threatens anyone. Allow me to give you an example.

REPLY: It appears that there is a communication problem here. Your question was answered when I said God is not the one threatening anyone. If I asked you do you prefer to give birth to a boy or a girl? You could not give a valid answer if you can't become pregnant. You answer should be I can not give birth so your question is irrelevant.
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Yes, the communications problem is that you run from fair questions and try to cloud it by talking a lot. The question was simple, and you failed to answer it: Which is worse...? Stating that god is not a threat does not answer the question and once again, you don't have an answer so you evade it.

REPLY: God is responsible for all things but did not create the INFECTION. Since He takes responsibility for the INFECTION He has created a remedy. The INFECTION was brought about by His close assistant at that time. This assistant took it upon himself to set things in motion without permission therefore causing the INFECTION.
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Again, you are equating choice of religion, modes of worship, who/what is worshiped to an infection. The analogy falls apart right there because I don't recognize your premise that free thought is similar to a deadly infection. You'll have to come up with a better one than that.

REPLY: This penalty is not something dished out by God. It is the direct result of the disobedience. For instance the penalty for sticking your hand in fire is that your hand will be burned. The burns do not have to be administered they are the results of sticking your hand in the fire.
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You are a liar for stating that god (your god) does not mete out punishment. Look at Sodom and Gomorrah as a prime example. What about the flood? And what about judgment day? No, the judge doesn't pull the executioner's switch, but he prescribes the punishment nonetheless. And here, for example, is the god of the ten commandments:

"I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments." Exodus 20:5-6 (also Dt 5:9) Oh, and how about this one:

"And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven [ 7 ] angels having the seven [ 7 ] last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God."Rev 15:1

The wrath of God? And you lie by saying he doesn't punish? (Again, this is your god).

REPLY: Unfortunately you have missed my representation of the INFECTION. The choices that one may make is not the INFECTION but are symptoms of the infection. The infection is a related to a corrupted "spirit" similar to a corrupt file on a hard drive. The corrupt spirit separates one from God. Like anything elese, when you are severed from the source of life you began to die though not necessarily immediately. The evil assistant knew that if he separated God's children from Him, that they would become confused about their decisions. The decisions they would make would even serve to separate them more and more throughout the generations. This is why every generation gets worse. The INFECTION becomes worse. Eventually the INFECTION is so bad (corrupt spirit) they don't even recognize God and began to do more things that causes for more destruction in ignorance. They poison their land, their air, their food, etc, until they eventually destroy themselves. God comes by later and cleans up the mess left after it has all self destructed by refusing to take the remedy. Just as it happened on Mars and at Zeta Reticuli.

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I've addressed this at some length above.

REPLY: I guess you would rather God hit the child in the head with a stick or a brick to stop him from self destructing. Then you could call the police and scream child abuse. Not God's way. He prefers free will because of His love. Also He tried once to show mankind the correct way and they took the body He made for Himself and beat Him to a pulp, paraded Him through the streets, nailed Him to two pieces of wood, stuck a spear in His side and left Him to die on a hill for all to see.

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No, actually I'd rather you stop spreading lies about something you have no clue about. And that crucifixion story, along with the rest of it, is a rehash of other primitive religions to varying degrees.

Your god is non-existent. He was a tribal diety and nothing more. He has no more power than a Norse god, a Greek god, or any other diety that doesn't exist. That doesn't mean I don't think there is a god, somewhere. He/she/it just isn't an egotistical, power-hungry madman.


REPLY: At least you probably hope this is true. Sadly it is not and your infection will be your own undoing as you refuse the remedy as so many others have. However the medicine is still available. God gives life, Satan destroys!

Thanks for commenting.............
 Quoting: TRAINED FOR THIS


Hmmm...I believe god gives life, but the god you're talking about is a prideful, jealous, childish tyrant who thankfully doesn't exist. Neither does a single, evil and near-all powerful entity called Satan.
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Trained for this, will you PLEASE discuss what JEDisciple said. He answered all your questions, but denies abductions, hybrids and cloning.

I believe he is also denying the vicarious atonement of Jesus Christ.

Still, he answered you questions. Comments?

REPLY: Yes my comment would be that the thread's title is "Questions FOR Aliens", NOT questions for JEDisciple. He can remain in his position for I am not concerned about anyone elses answers except the aliens and also I already know the answers so it is useless for anyone other the aliens to supply the answers. And of course they would lie in regards to the answers. Therefore all other answers are irrevelant including the lying aliens answer.

Thanks for asking......
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Wow, I can understand you avoiding questions from people like me but those who actually respect you? You opened yourself up to questions here because you're pawning yourself off as an expert and someone chosen by god. You have an obligation to your flock, or I should say, cyberflock.
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I'm only going to tackle some of the more reasonable questions.


1. Since you have no reproduction systems who are your parents?

of course we have reproductive systems.

2. Why do you choose to show up at this time in the history of humanity?


To help humanity with the great shift that is now underway

3. Why did you abduct humanity against their will?

I can't speak for all groups, but we (the annunaki) haven't done that kind of thing for over 20,000 years. But when we did, we did it in order to mess with the genetics in order to produce more docile and compliant slaves.


4. What are you looking for when you experiment upon humanity?

see answer to number three

5. Why in your experiments and abductions do you focus on the reproductive system of humanity?

see answer to number three. You see us messing with the sexual organs, but we're really after genetic material which you get from the ovaries and testes.


6. Why do you use the good cop bad cop theory to make it appear that even though some aliens are bad that there are actually some good ones?

You've been watching too many tv shows bub.


7. How long have you dialogued with governments of this planet?

oh, about 30,000 years or so

8. Why did you kill one of your own kind by purposely crashing a vessel in Roswell, New Mexico?

accidents happen

9. Why did you subject one of your own to a live dissection knowing he could feel the pain even though those who dissected him thought he could not feel it?

see question nine

10. Why did you ask our government to abduct humanity for you?

see question three. WE've found that some slaves can be counted on to control the other slaves if you reward them with money and power.

11. Why do you not abduct those who are known by you to be stout hearted Christians?

You're on drugs. Christians are not immune.

13. Why do you harvest hybrids?

we don't.

14. Why do you pretend to come from far away solar systems and galaxies when you know you are actually from this area of the solar system and have been so for quite some time?

how do you know where we come from?


20. Why do you tell humanity of pending catastrophic events without telling that the events are natural and occur approximately every 40,000 years.

well I can't speak for myself but those who are doing this do it as part of a system of slave control. keeps you scared and compliant. I mean, shit, look at what you'll allow your governments to do when you're scared of "terrorists".


21. Why are you now stepping up your appearances (sightings) in our skies?

well, we are here to help humanity with the great shift. we are here to tear down the system we built.

23. Why do you stand before those you converse with in your pure form yet project holographic images into the minds of the viewers to appear to be different?

You've been reading too much David Icke

24. Why do you not tell the people of this planet that your leader is truly Reptilian in nature and appearance, and is a hater and despiser of humanity?

Too much David Icke.

25. Why do you not tell the people of this planet the name of your leader which is already known by many?

You are refering to Satan? Christian boogieman and nothing more.

26. Why will you at the time of greatest need for this planet, when this earth is shaking violently, (earthquakes, volcanoes, pole shifting) pretend to be angels of light here to assist when you will actually be staging their demise?

Why don't you ask your president the same question.

28. Why have you not informed those in cahoots with you that they will be the first destroyed after they have assisted you in bringing forth a ONE WORLD ORDER?

You got that wrong. Why destroy a good slave? wasteful. But really, that's not what we are here for.

29. Why have you not informed those in cahoots with you for a one world government, that this government is only temporary, to allow for ANOTHER one world leader who will be most brutal; a leader who will be of your kind; a leader with no soul?

Oh please. Now you are hurting my feelings. Of course I have a soul, just like you do.

what? You think you're special or something?

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Since the announcement and public display of aliens is soon and imminent, I thought it would be a good idea to compile a list of questions you may want to ask them at the announcement. If you like to know the answers to these questions I would be ecstatically happy to assist you.

1. Since you have no reproduction systems who are your parents?
2. Why do you choose to show up at this time in the history of humanity?
3. Why did you abduct humanity against their will?
4. What are you looking for when you experiment upon humanity?
5. Why in your experiments and abductions do you focus on the reproductive system of humanity?
6. Why do you use the good cop bad cop theory to make it appear that even though some aliens are bad that there are actually some good ones?
7. How long have you dialogued with governments of this planet?
8. Why did you kill one of your own kind by purposely crashing a vessel in Roswell, New Mexico?
9. Why did you subject one of your own to a live dissection knowing he could feel the pain even though those who dissected him thought he could not feel it?
10. Why did you ask our government to abduct humanity for you?
11. Why do you not abduct those who are known by you to be stout hearted Christians?
12. Why are you afraid of the authority and power of Jesus the Christ?
13. Why do you harvest hybrids?
14. Why do you pretend to come from far away solar systems and galaxies when you know you are actually from this area of the solar system and have been so for quite some time?
15. Why do you never go to visit your fellow clones in other parts of the Universe?
16. Why do your fellow clones in other parts of the Universe never come to visit you?
17. Why do you care not to reveal your parents and do not want others to know of that relationship.
18. Why do you care not to reveal you have no real home origin that presently exists?
19. Why do you engage in cloning to create different looks to make it appear that you are from many areas of the universe?
20. Why do you tell humanity of pending catastrophic events without telling that the events are natural and occur approximately every 40,000 years.
21. Why are you now stepping up your appearances (sightings) in our skies?
22. Why do you teach some of this planet to pollute our skies with chemicals that you claim will help deal with the present global warming problem when you know that it is a lie and will not help do nothing short of causing physiological changes to bodies over time, assist with mind control and also help prepare the skies for your soon arrival?
23. Why do you stand before those you converse with in your pure form yet project holographic images into the minds of the viewers to appear to be different?
24. Why do you not tell the people of this planet that your leader is truly Reptilian in nature and appearance, and is a hater and despiser of humanity?
25. Why do you not tell the people of this planet the name of your leader which is already known by many?
26. Why will you at the time of greatest need for this planet, when this earth is shaking violently, (earthquakes, volcanoes, pole shifting) pretend to be angels of light here to assist when you will actually be staging their demise?
27. Why have you chosen to dupe the governments of this world and the rich and the elite knowing full well that you are planning their demise and especially the USA.
28. Why have you not informed those in cahoots with you that they will be the first destroyed after they have assisted you in bringing forth a ONE WORLD ORDER?
29. Why have you not informed those in cahoots with you for a one world government, that this government is only temporary, to allow for ANOTHER one world leader who will be most brutal; a leader who will be of your kind; a leader with no soul?

Thanks for considering the use of these questions………….
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1. how do you know what systems we have and havent got ?
2. what makes you think we have only shown up now ?
3. because we can
4. what we need
5. your asking in no.4 and assuming in no. 5
6. how do you know there are good 'aliens' ?
7. since we put them in place
8. on purpose no, we do not kill our own
9. did not happen
10. we do not ask - we are in control
11. a human is a human, we take all kinds
12. we are afraid of no-one
13. harvest, wrong word
14. how do you know where we come from ?
15. this doesnt make sense to us
16. as 15
17. reveal to who ?
18. presently exists - think about it.
19. this doesnt make sense to us
20. the 'events' occur when we create them
21. it is nearly time
22. this we do not do.
23. as 22
24. this doesnt make sense to us, we have no leader
25. as 24
26. we are ourselves, we pretend nothing
27. you are creating your own demise
28. the order you talk about is not our plan
29. as 28
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Before I attempt to address anything from your last post it appears that I need to make something clear. I am here to provide information for those who are not aware of the subtle actions of Satan in regards to the alien agenda. I am personally not attempting to make you a disciple. You have already made your free will choice which is your perogative. However you will certainly reap the rewards of whatever choices you make.

I also notice that you are rude and flammatory in your remarks purposely. I hope no person who witness your remarks here respond to your remarks negatively and fulfill your wishes. You also twist statements in a way that would change the meaning of the original statement. Since I am not here for folly I will address only the issues that are not meant to be inflammatory and preceeded by rudeness. You even pretend questions have not been addressed which have been. You will notice that I ignore the folly.


REPLY: This penalty is not something dished out by God. It is the direct result of the disobedience. For instance the penalty for sticking your hand in fire is that your hand will be burned. The burns do not have to be administered they are the results of sticking your hand in the fire.


You are a liar for stating that god (your god) does not mete out punishment.
 Quoting: Mickey Martian

REPLY: You are most rude in your assessment of my response and the remarks that followed did not address my reply to your original statement. Since they do not match there is no need for further remarks until you are referring once again to the original statement about the "penalty". See your original statement in your earlier post. No need of discussing two different things. Note I responded with "THIS PENALTY"; apecifically addressing a particular penalty.

No, actually I'd rather you stop spreading lies about something you have no clue about.
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REPLY: An example of your rudeness again. You equate your lack of understanding and knowledge to a lie. No further remark neeeded here.

No thanks for your rudeness..........