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Evangelicals really need to stop with the "Catholics aren't Christians" nonsense.

 
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Mono you are right--/Protestants are simply schismatic heretics. Solo Scriptural is nonsense. The Bible itself gives full authority to the Church
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No pope found. That's why the catholics burned and banned the Bible for centuries.
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Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven and said "Whatever you permit on Earth is permitted in Heaven and whatever you forbid on Earth is forbidden in Heaven" and "Whoever's sins you forgive are forgiven and whoever's sins you retain are retained." The earliest Christians recognized the primacy of the Bishop of Rome.
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No they didn't. Rome, until it was conquered by the Franks, was a Pagan city, of idol worshipers and devil worshipers. Heck, there is no evidence, Rome had any Bishops. The early "Bishops of Rome", where the "Council Elders", of the early, small, and largely unimportant, "Church at Rome".

If the Catholic's are the followers of Peter, they would do as Peter commanded. Just because the Roman's killed Peter, doesn't mean any power or authority that was given to him, transferred to them.

Heck, the Catholic's, didn't even make that claim, until centuries after they where established.

First they claimed authority from the Emperors. Than as the Western Roman Empire, ceased to exist, then the later Eastern Empire, began to slowly collapse and no longer relevant, they declared themselves, "Vicars of the Apostles". After a few more centuries, they declared themselves, "Vicars of Christ", and now? Now, the Catholic's claim to be "Vicars of God".

There is no religion, that has changed it's doctrines as severely, and often, as the Catholic's, particularly the Roman Catholic's have done.

For those that don't know, a "Vicar" is a "substitute" or "agent". We know Angels, acted as "Vicar's", in the form of "agents", as they refused to allow humans to bow down to them. So, in the term of "Vicar", which of the two definitions do the Catholic's apply: "Substitute".

They declare themselves as the Substitute of(insert Apostles, insert Jesus, insert God), and then demand that all bow to THEM, and then demand that only they be allowed to own or read, copies of the Bible.
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Just reporting what it says in the Bible.

What is the difference between Catholics and Muslims?

Not much.
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What is the difference between antitrinitarian bible christians and Jews?

Not much.

So be honest, convert to Judaism, get circumsized and keep all the laws as in the time before Jesus came and freed us of them. That's, where you are sailing. As a Lutheran I am for you a churchianist. But before I go back to obsolete and absolutely disgusting legalism, what is not better than islamic sharia, I would choose to join the Catholic Church. Period.
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Your practicing the wrong faith.

1) The Law is the Law. We may not always like it, but it is "what is best for us". The Law does not exist to punish us, or make our lives miserable. The Law is the only true pathway, to a chance at a "happy life", or one of limited suffering.

2) In no prophecy, does it say, "The Messiah came to free us from the Law", again, your looking for your messiah of 1666, not Jesus Christ.

3) Jesus Christ, expressly stated, that "I came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it".

The Law has two key parts:

Physical Cleanliness(which Judaism pay a bit more than lip service)

Spiritual Cleanliness(Which Christians pay lip service to)

From the day's of the Pharisee to today's Judaism denominations, they still do not practice the Law. I have read their regulations, and the source form which it was derived(passages in the Torah), and they are totally devoid of legitimate reasoning, and read things wrong, on multiple occasions, to make it seem, they truly do worship Satan/Lucifer, but that is another matter.

Even today, most people, Christians to anyone else out there, reads the Torah and they only come off with "how oppressive" and what not, without ever realizing, "why".

Look at the law, through the reality of when it was given, and find reason in it.

The Law, is the ultimate survival guide, not a tool of torment.

The Law will never be abolished, instead, it will be carved into our hearts, and become our very nature, amongst those found worthy.

To those who say, "The Law, the Torah, is evil", go worship Satan, drop all pretenses, and have at it, for you are evil.
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It makes you sound foolish and historically ignorant. They hosted your councils, they authored your creeds, they invented your God (trinity), they developed you Christology, they even compiled your Bible - they are the mother church that spawned you. Virtually all Protestant denominations consider the councils and creeds authoritative. Where was "real" Christianity hidding for the first 15 centuries?
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they forced their way into "leadership" of these councils...those are only catholic "creeds" you speak of, the shredded and discarded and excluded most of the "books" of what is now called the bible(and did so with an extreme minority of the Christian world present in all "councils"), god creating us and jesus dying for our sins is what "spawned us...the comment on the protestant councils considering any of this authoritative is the most ridiculous statement in your post...they were hiding alone by themselves while the catholic church hunted them down
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An "extreme minority of Christians" were present at the Church councils? Actually, Church leaders from all over the Christian world were present at the Church councils, which are the reason uniformity of belief by all Christians was pretty much maintained until the "Protestant Reformation" in the 16th century. Protestants today should at least thank the Church councils for giving them the Bible and upholding the divinity of Christ.
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Many of those "Church leaders", where burned at the stake/stoned to death. Few, Christian leaders went to the Council of Nicaea, very, very, very few. That "uniformity" you speak of, only happened after the Catholic's murdered tens of millions of Christians. Heck, the religious Order, the noblemen, Augustine led, his main duty was to burn every book, parchment or manuscript, that the Catholic's disagreed with.

Heck, Catholic's so hated the Arian German's, they attacked and severely weakened them in North Africa, and Northern Italy/Southern Germania, even as the threat of islam was growing rapidly.

If the Catholic's did not attack the Arian's of Northern Africa, they could of had a chance of repelling the islamic invasion.

Yet, what did the Catholics do? First they razed North Africa tot he ground, all but exterminating the Germanic kingdoms there. Then, they actually finance the islamic invasion of North Africa.

According to some, they even helped put the final nail in the Catholic, Visgoth kingdoms of Iberia. Guess those Roman's, really hated, and distrusted, the Arian Christian, German nobility.

Looking at the "Holy Alliance", the Catholic's reformed to repel an islamic invasion. After the immediate invasion was dealt with, what did this "Holy Alliance" seek to do? Did they seek to liberate Constantinople? Did they seek to, drive islam back to Arabia? Heck, did they even try to "make the Mediterranean safe for Catholicism? No.

The very first thing they did after the invasion, was plot to invade, and kill Protestants, and any anyone else, who had a copy of the Bible, and/or, would not bow to the Pope.

That alone speaks volumes, and even in the common era, Catholic's choose islam, over Christians, ever time. The Pope, did not invite Christians facing persecution for Christ, to seek refuge in the Vatican, but did invite muslims.

Heck, look at all the Jesuit controlled Lutherans, and the Catholic's, how they actually aid islam, by funneling islam into small, Christian and Protestant/Evangelical, communities! Coupled with, the propensity of Catholicism, be it Roman or Orthodox, for sheer criminality! All Catholic peoples, seem to produce, highly organized, mafia/cartel, criminals.

That to me, tells me that catholics and muslims, worship the same god, and follow similar teachings, if albeit, the catholics keep them hidden from public scrutiny.



Even now, the Catholic's use islam as a weapon against Protestants, Evangelicals, and Christian's. They would sooner see all of the West, be taken over, by fellow Marian, muslims, than to see a single Congregation, of Bible Believing Christians take root.
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Just reporting what it says in the Bible.

What is the difference between Catholics and Muslims?

Not much.
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What is the difference between antitrinitarian bible christians and Jews?

Not much.

So be honest, convert to Judaism, get circumsized and keep all the laws as in the time before Jesus came and freed us of them. That's, where you are sailing. As a Lutheran I am for you a churchianist. But before I go back to obsolete and absolutely disgusting legalism, what is not better than islamic sharia, I would choose to join the Catholic Church. Period.
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Your practicing the wrong faith.

1) The Law is the Law. We may not always like it, but it is "what is best for us". The Law does not exist to punish us, or make our lives miserable. The Law is the only true pathway, to a chance at a "happy life", or one of limited suffering.

2) In no prophecy, does it say, "The Messiah came to free us from the Law", again, your looking for your messiah of 1666, not Jesus Christ.

3) Jesus Christ, expressly stated, that "I came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it".

The Law has two key parts:

Physical Cleanliness(which Judaism pay a bit more than lip service)

Spiritual Cleanliness(Which Christians pay lip service to)

From the day's of the Pharisee to today's Judaism denominations, they still do not practice the Law. I have read their regulations, and the source form which it was derived(passages in the Torah), and they are totally devoid of legitimate reasoning, and read things wrong, on multiple occasions, to make it seem, they truly do worship Satan/Lucifer, but that is another matter.

Even today, most people, Christians to anyone else out there, reads the Torah and they only come off with "how oppressive" and what not, without ever realizing, "why".

Look at the law, through the reality of when it was given, and find reason in it.

The Law, is the ultimate survival guide, not a tool of torment.

The Law will never be abolished, instead, it will be carved into our hearts, and become our very nature, amongst those found worthy.

To those who say, "The Law, the Torah, is evil", go worship Satan, drop all pretenses, and have at it, for you are evil.
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From the "evil satanist" Martin Luther, who refused to worship the good legalistic Jahbulon:

Let us bear this in mind when the devil accuses and frightens our conscience, attempting to drive us to despair. He is the father of lying and the enemy of Christian freedom; he torments us every moment with false fears, so that when our conscience has lost this Christian freedom, it will feel remorse for sin and condemnation and always remain in anguish and terror. When that great dragon — that old snake, the devil — comes and tells you that not only have you done no good, but you have also transgressed God’s law, say to him, ‘You are troubling me with the memory of my past sins; you are also reminding me that I have done no good. But this is nothing to me, for if I either trusted in my own good deeds or feared because I have done no such deeds, Christ would in either case be of no value to me at all. I rest only in the freedom Christ has given me. I know he is of value to me, and so I will not make him of no value, which I would be doing if I either presumed to purchase favor and everlasting life for myself by my good deeds or despaired of my salvation because of my sins.'”

Martin Luther, Galatians (Wheaton, 1998), pages 245-246.
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Mono you are right--/Protestants are simply schismatic heretics. Solo Scriptural is nonsense. The Bible itself gives full authority to the Church
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No pope found. That's why the catholics burned and banned the Bible for centuries.
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Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven and said "Whatever you permit on Earth is permitted in Heaven and whatever you forbid on Earth is forbidden in Heaven" and "Whoever's sins you forgive are forgiven and whoever's sins you retain are retained." The earliest Christians recognized the primacy of the Bishop of Rome.
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No they didn't. Rome, until it was conquered by the Franks, was a Pagan city, of idol worshipers and devil worshipers. Heck, there is no evidence, Rome had any Bishops. The early "Bishops of Rome", where the "Council Elders", of the early, small, and largely unimportant, "Church at Rome".

If the Catholic's are the followers of Peter, they would do as Peter commanded. Just because the Roman's killed Peter, doesn't mean any power or authority that was given to him, transferred to them.

Heck, the Catholic's, didn't even make that claim, until centuries after they where established.

First they claimed authority from the Emperors. Than as the Western Roman Empire, ceased to exist, then the later Eastern Empire, began to slowly collapse and no longer relevant, they declared themselves, "Vicars of the Apostles". After a few more centuries, they declared themselves, "Vicars of Christ", and now? Now, the Catholic's claim to be "Vicars of God".

There is no religion, that has changed it's doctrines as severely, and often, as the Catholic's, particularly the Roman Catholic's have done.

For those that don't know, a "Vicar" is a "substitute" or "agent". We know Angels, acted as "Vicar's", in the form of "agents", as they refused to allow humans to bow down to them. So, in the term of "Vicar", which of the two definitions do the Catholic's apply: "Substitute".

They declare themselves as the Substitute of(insert Apostles, insert Jesus, insert God), and then demand that all bow to THEM, and then demand that only they be allowed to own or read, copies of the Bible.
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Yeah they did.

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No pope found. That's why the catholics burned and banned the Bible for centuries.
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Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven and said "Whatever you permit on Earth is permitted in Heaven and whatever you forbid on Earth is forbidden in Heaven" and "Whoever's sins you forgive are forgiven and whoever's sins you retain are retained." The earliest Christians recognized the primacy of the Bishop of Rome.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47015905


No they didn't. Rome, until it was conquered by the Franks, was a Pagan city, of idol worshipers and devil worshipers. Heck, there is no evidence, Rome had any Bishops. The early "Bishops of Rome", where the "Council Elders", of the early, small, and largely unimportant, "Church at Rome".

If the Catholic's are the followers of Peter, they would do as Peter commanded. Just because the Roman's killed Peter, doesn't mean any power or authority that was given to him, transferred to them.

Heck, the Catholic's, didn't even make that claim, until centuries after they where established.

First they claimed authority from the Emperors. Than as the Western Roman Empire, ceased to exist, then the later Eastern Empire, began to slowly collapse and no longer relevant, they declared themselves, "Vicars of the Apostles". After a few more centuries, they declared themselves, "Vicars of Christ", and now? Now, the Catholic's claim to be "Vicars of God".

There is no religion, that has changed it's doctrines as severely, and often, as the Catholic's, particularly the Roman Catholic's have done.

For those that don't know, a "Vicar" is a "substitute" or "agent". We know Angels, acted as "Vicar's", in the form of "agents", as they refused to allow humans to bow down to them. So, in the term of "Vicar", which of the two definitions do the Catholic's apply: "Substitute".

They declare themselves as the Substitute of(insert Apostles, insert Jesus, insert God), and then demand that all bow to THEM, and then demand that only they be allowed to own or read, copies of the Bible.
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Yeah they did.

[link to www.catholic.com]
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No response?
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Catholics started it when they were burning us at the stake. What did we ever do to you?
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U mean u want Protestants to stop protesting? Pretty much almost to that point, u won't have to wait long. Protestants as a whole have lost their backbone and their history.
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No, they can protest all they want, but they should cut it with the historical revisionism.
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To tell you the truth it's Catholics mostly that I hear them say their not Christians. I've never hear a Protestant say Catholics arent Christians. I've heard them say Catholics Christianity is false the way it's practiced and full of pagan practices that have entered the church over time. My grandma and aunt are Catholic and when I tell them they're Christian they with conviction state that they're not..they are Catholic. Ignorance goes both ways and from my experience it's the Catholics that have hard time calling themselves Christian.
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I see it all the time on GLP. All the time. I've never heard about Catholics not calling themselves Christian however.
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Pardon? Catholics call themselves Catholic.
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It makes you sound foolish and historically ignorant. They hosted your councils, they authored your creeds, they invented your God (trinity), they developed you Christology, they even compiled your Bible - they are the mother church that spawned you. Virtually all Protestant denominations consider the councils and creeds authoritative. Where was "real" Christianity hidding for the first 15 centuries?
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No, they can protest all they want, but they should cut it with the historical revisionism.
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To tell you the truth it's Catholics mostly that I hear them say their not Christians. I've never hear a Protestant say Catholics arent Christians. I've heard them say Catholics Christianity is false the way it's practiced and full of pagan practices that have entered the church over time. My grandma and aunt are Catholic and when I tell them they're Christian they with conviction state that they're not..they are Catholic. Ignorance goes both ways and from my experience it's the Catholics that have hard time calling themselves Christian.
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I see it all the time on GLP. All the time. I've never heard about Catholics not calling themselves Christian however.
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Pardon? Catholics call themselves Catholic.
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Yes, and Christians. And Methodists call themselves Methodist and Christians, and Lutherans call themselves Lutherans and Christians.
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Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven and said "Whatever you permit on Earth is permitted in Heaven and whatever you forbid on Earth is forbidden in Heaven" and "Whoever's sins you forgive are forgiven and whoever's sins you retain are retained." The earliest Christians recognized the primacy of the Bishop of Rome.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47015905


No they didn't. Rome, until it was conquered by the Franks, was a Pagan city, of idol worshipers and devil worshipers. Heck, there is no evidence, Rome had any Bishops. The early "Bishops of Rome", where the "Council Elders", of the early, small, and largely unimportant, "Church at Rome".

If the Catholic's are the followers of Peter, they would do as Peter commanded. Just because the Roman's killed Peter, doesn't mean any power or authority that was given to him, transferred to them.

Heck, the Catholic's, didn't even make that claim, until centuries after they where established.

First they claimed authority from the Emperors. Than as the Western Roman Empire, ceased to exist, then the later Eastern Empire, began to slowly collapse and no longer relevant, they declared themselves, "Vicars of the Apostles". After a few more centuries, they declared themselves, "Vicars of Christ", and now? Now, the Catholic's claim to be "Vicars of God".

There is no religion, that has changed it's doctrines as severely, and often, as the Catholic's, particularly the Roman Catholic's have done.

For those that don't know, a "Vicar" is a "substitute" or "agent". We know Angels, acted as "Vicar's", in the form of "agents", as they refused to allow humans to bow down to them. So, in the term of "Vicar", which of the two definitions do the Catholic's apply: "Substitute".

They declare themselves as the Substitute of(insert Apostles, insert Jesus, insert God), and then demand that all bow to THEM, and then demand that only they be allowed to own or read, copies of the Bible.
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Yeah they did.

[link to www.catholic.com]
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What's to responds to? You don't even see the notion of Peter's primacy confounded with Roman primacy until Pope Damasus I.
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U mean u want Protestants to stop protesting? Pretty much almost to that point, u won't have to wait long. Protestants as a whole have lost their backbone and their history.
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No, they can protest all they want, but they should cut it with the historical revisionism.
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To tell you the truth it's Catholics mostly that I hear them say their not Christians. I've never hear a Protestant say Catholics arent Christians. I've heard them say Catholics Christianity is false the way it's practiced and full of pagan practices that have entered the church over time. My grandma and aunt are Catholic and when I tell them they're Christian they with conviction state that they're not..they are Catholic. Ignorance goes both ways and from my experience it's the Catholics that have hard time calling themselves Christian.
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I see it all the time on GLP. All the time. I've never heard about Catholics not calling themselves Christian however.
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It makes you sound foolish and historically ignorant. They hosted your councils, they authored your creeds, they invented your God (trinity), they developed you Christology, they even compiled your Bible - they are the mother church that spawned you. Virtually all Protestant denominations consider the councils and creeds authoritative. Where was "real" Christianity hidding for the first 15 centuries?
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I am not what is termed an "Evangelical". You remember when Elijah thought he was the only one who had not bowed to Baal, but then there turned out to be 7000 who had not? At times there may be a grand number of true Christian coverts, but the true church for the most part has always been few in number. Catholicism is a mixture of Paganism and the Bible.


"It is interesting to note how often our Church has availed herself of practices which were in common use among pagans...Thus it is true, in a certain sense, that some Catholic rites and ceremonies are a reproduction of those of pagan creeds...." (The Externals of the Catholic Church, Her Government, Ceremonies, Festivals, Sacramentals and Devotions, by John F. Sullivan, p 156, published by P.J. Kennedy, NY, 1942)

"It has often been charged... that Catholicism is overlaid with many pagan incrustations. Catholicism is ready to accept that accusation - and even to make it her boast... the great god Pan is not really dead, he is baptized" -The Story of Catholicism p 37

Cardinal Newman admits in his book that; the "The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison [Note 17], are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church. {374}" -An Essay on The Development of the Christian Doctrine John Henry "Cardinal Newman" p.359

The penetration of the religion of Babylon became so general and well known that Rome was called the "New Babylon." -Faith of our fathers 1917 ed. Cardinal Gibbons, p. 106

"In order to attach to Christianity great attraction in the eyes of the nobility, the priests adopted the outer garments and adornments which were used in pagan cults." -Life of Constantine, Eusabius, cited in Altai-Nimalaya, p. 94

"The Church did everything it could to stamp out such 'pagan' rites, but had to capitualet and allow the rites to continue with only the name of the local diety changed to some Christian saint's name." -Religious Tradition and Myth. Dr. Edwin Goodenough, Professor of Religion, Harvard University. p. 56, 57

In Stanley's History, page 40: "The popes filled the place of the vacant emperors at Rome, inheriting their power, their prestige, and their titles from PAGANISM."


As for the real Christianity, these quotes may give you an eye. There were always those who did not bow to Rome, nor her doctrines:


"The Gentile Christians observed also the Sabbath," Gieseler's "Church History," Vol.1, ch. 2, par. 30, 93. (2nd Century)

"The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews;...therefore the Christians, for a long time together, did keep their conventions upon the Sabbath, in which some portions of the law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council." "The Whole Works" of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX,p. 416 (R. Heber's Edition, Vol XII, p. 416). (2nd Century)

As early as A.D. 225 there existed large bishoprics or conferences of the Church of the East (Sabbath-keeping) stretching from Palestine to India. Mingana, "Early Spread of Christianity." Vol.10, p. 460. (3rd Century)

"The seventh-day Sabbath was...solemnised by Christ, the Apostles, and primitive Christians, till the Laodicean Council did in manner quite abolish the observations of it." "Dissertation on the Lord's Day," pp. 33, 34 (3rd Century)

"The ancient Christians were very careful in the observance of Saturday, or the seventh day...It is plain that all the Oriental churches, and the greatest part of the world, observed the Sabbath as a festival...Athanasius likewise tells us that they held religious assembles on the Sabbath, not because they were infected with Judaism, but to worship Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, Epiphanius says the same." "Antiquities of the Christian Church," Vol.II Book XX, chap. 3, sec.1, 66. 1137,1138 (4th Century)

"They despise our sun-god. Did not Zorcaster, the sainted founder of our divine beliefs, institute Sunday one thousand years ago in honour of the sun and supplant the Sabbath of the Old Testament. Yet these Christians have divine services on Saturday." O'Leary, "The Syriac Church and Fathers," pp.83, 84. (4th Century)

"There are several cities and villages in Egypt where, contrary to the usage established elsewhere, the people meet together on Sabbath evenings, and, although they have dined previously, partake of the mysteries." Sozomen. "Ecclesiastical History Book 7, ch. 119 (5th Century)

"It is a fact that it was formerly the custom in the East to keep the Sabbath in the same manner as the Lord's day and to hold sacred assemblies: while on the other hand, the people of the West, contending for the Lord's day have neglected the celebration of the Sabbath." "Apollinaries Sidonli Epistolae," lib.1, 2; Migne, 57. (5th Century)
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Re: Evangelicals really need to stop with the "Catholics aren't Christians" nonsense.
It makes you sound foolish and historically ignorant. They hosted your councils, they authored your creeds, they invented your God (trinity), they developed you Christology, they even compiled your Bible - they are the mother church that spawned you. Virtually all Protestant denominations consider the councils and creeds authoritative. Where was "real" Christianity hidding for the first 15 centuries?
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Look up the Inquisition and then explain why Roman Catholics subjected Christians to humiliating torture and why we shouldn't regard their type as anti-Christ-like.
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08/25/2016 09:34 AM
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It makes you sound foolish and historically ignorant. They hosted your councils, they authored your creeds, they invented your God (trinity), they developed you Christology, they even compiled your Bible - they are the mother church that spawned you. Virtually all Protestant denominations consider the councils and creeds authoritative. Where was "real" Christianity hidding for the first 15 centuries?
 Quoting: Monotheism


You couldn't be further from the truth! Catholicism has nothing to do with biblical Christianity.
Popes, nuns, the rosary, purgatory, praying to the saints...all that and much more are nothing but made up teachings and garbage from the RCC.


And they did not "invent our God" that is incredibly stupid to say. Ever read john? Or any of the New Testament!? It's clear WHO Jesus was...GOD in the flesh.

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08/25/2016 09:42 AM
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It makes you sound foolish and historically ignorant. They hosted your councils, they authored your creeds, they invented your God (trinity), they developed you Christology, they even compiled your Bible - they are the mother church that spawned you. Virtually all Protestant denominations consider the councils and creeds authoritative. Where was "real" Christianity hidding for the first 15 centuries?
 Quoting: Monotheism


Look up the Inquisition and then explain why Roman Catholics subjected Christians to humiliating torture and why we shouldn't regard their type as anti-Christ-like.
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Who said you shouldn't regard them such? I'm just sayingf it's the mother church who's creeds and doctrines Christians subscribe to. Her Protestant daughterds weren't innocent either.
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It makes you sound foolish and historically ignorant. They hosted your councils, they authored your creeds, they invented your God (trinity), they developed you Christology, they even compiled your Bible - they are the mother church that spawned you. Virtually all Protestant denominations consider the councils and creeds authoritative. Where was "real" Christianity hidding for the first 15 centuries?
 Quoting: Monotheism


You couldn't be further from the truth! Catholicism has nothing to do with biblical Christianity.
Popes, nuns, the rosary, purgatory, praying to the saints...all that and much more are nothing but made up teachings and garbage from the RCC.


And they did not "invent our God" that is incredibly stupid to say. Ever read john? Or any of the New Testament!? It's clear WHO Jesus was...GOD in the flesh.

[link to carm.org (secure)]
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Have you ever read John 17:3?

3 And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. John 17:3

Thread: 27 February 380 AD; the single most important document in the history of Christianity, and perhaps even mankind.

You're linking to a site of Christians that subscribes to the The Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, the Chalcedonian creed and the autority of the ecumenical councils. Not exactly helping your case.
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08/25/2016 09:47 AM
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It makes you sound foolish and historically ignorant.........................soap.............whistle
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grizzy Well the fact of the matter is that Roman Catholics are not Christians.

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08/25/2016 09:59 AM
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The original Jerusalem church was called the Church of the Poor (Ebionites). The leader was James, the brother of Jesus who wore hair down below the waist. They were practicing communists.

The Christianity we have now was created by Paul a woman hater and who never met jesus. Paul is the real inventor of Christianity.

Christianity is chaotic as it is based on ego needs and not on the natural order. It will die out eventually with the old order.
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It makes you sound foolish and historically ignorant.........................soap.............whistle
 Quoting: Monotheism


grizzy Well the fact of the matter is that Roman Catholics are not Christians.

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So why did the author of those tracts consider Nicaea, Constantinople, Ephesus and Chalcedon to be authoritative?
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08/25/2016 10:56 AM
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No they didn't. Rome, until it was conquered by the Franks, was a Pagan city, of idol worshipers and devil worshipers. Heck, there is no evidence, Rome had any Bishops. The early "Bishops of Rome", where the "Council Elders", of the early, small, and largely unimportant, "Church at Rome".

If the Catholic's are the followers of Peter, they would do as Peter commanded. Just because the Roman's killed Peter, doesn't mean any power or authority that was given to him, transferred to them.

Heck, the Catholic's, didn't even make that claim, until centuries after they where established.

First they claimed authority from the Emperors. Than as the Western Roman Empire, ceased to exist, then the later Eastern Empire, began to slowly collapse and no longer relevant, they declared themselves, "Vicars of the Apostles". After a few more centuries, they declared themselves, "Vicars of Christ", and now? Now, the Catholic's claim to be "Vicars of God".

There is no religion, that has changed it's doctrines as severely, and often, as the Catholic's, particularly the Roman Catholic's have done.

For those that don't know, a "Vicar" is a "substitute" or "agent". We know Angels, acted as "Vicar's", in the form of "agents", as they refused to allow humans to bow down to them. So, in the term of "Vicar", which of the two definitions do the Catholic's apply: "Substitute".

They declare themselves as the Substitute of(insert Apostles, insert Jesus, insert God), and then demand that all bow to THEM, and then demand that only they be allowed to own or read, copies of the Bible.
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Yeah they did.

[link to www.catholic.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70997125


No response?
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What's to responds to? You don't even see the notion of Peter's primacy confounded with Roman primacy until Pope Damasus I.
 Quoting: Monotheism


I said "The earliest Christians recognized the primacy of the Bishop of Rome." You said "no they didn't" and I replied "Yeah they did" and provided a link with quotes from the earliest Christians recognizing the primacy of the Bishop of Rome, including 8 quotes from before Pope Damascus I, up to 200 years before. So I guess that's to respond to.
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It makes you sound foolish and historically ignorant. They hosted your councils, they authored your creeds, they invented your God (trinity), they developed you Christology, they even compiled your Bible - they are the mother church that spawned you. Virtually all Protestant denominations consider the councils and creeds authoritative. Where was "real" Christianity hidding for the first 15 centuries?
 Quoting: Monotheism



"There are those who believe they can maintain a personal, direct and immediate relationship with Jesus Christ outside the communion and the mediation of the Church. These are dangerous and harmful temptations. These are, as the great Paul VI said, absurd dichotomies."

- Pope Francis


How can this MAN (not holy, just a man), call himself a Christian, when Christianity CONSISTENTLY INSTRUCTS man to have a CONSTANT spiritual relationship to God the Father, through Jesus who is our ONLY mediator to the throne??

Everything that Catholicism has done to deviate from the teachings of Jesus have directed the masses so far away from the foundation of Christianity, which is to have a spiritual connection PERSONALLY to God, through Jesus. The fake holy man instructs his sheep otherwise.. NOT CHRISTIANITY. One world religion hard at work!!
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Yeah they did.

[link to www.catholic.com]
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No response?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70997125


What's to responds to? You don't even see the notion of Peter's primacy confounded with Roman primacy until Pope Damasus I.
 Quoting: Monotheism


I said "The earliest Christians recognized the primacy of the Bishop of Rome." You said "no they didn't" and I replied "Yeah they did" and provided a link with quotes from the earliest Christians recognizing the primacy of the Bishop of Rome, including 8 quotes from before Pope Damascus I, up to 200 years before. So I guess that's to respond to.
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No, this supringly sparse collection of quotes assert the primacy of Peter, not Rome. Rome's primacy wasn't established until late 4th century.
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Re: Evangelicals really need to stop with the "Catholics aren't Christians" nonsense.
It makes you sound foolish and historically ignorant. They hosted your councils, they authored your creeds, they invented your God (trinity), they developed you Christology, they even compiled your Bible - they are the mother church that spawned you. Virtually all Protestant denominations consider the councils and creeds authoritative. Where was "real" Christianity hidding for the first 15 centuries?
 Quoting: Monotheism



"There are those who believe they can maintain a personal, direct and immediate relationship with Jesus Christ outside the communion and the mediation of the Church. These are dangerous and harmful temptations. These are, as the great Paul VI said, absurd dichotomies."

- Pope Francis


How can this MAN (not holy, just a man), call himself a Christian, when Christianity CONSISTENTLY INSTRUCTS man to have a CONSTANT spiritual relationship to God the Father, through Jesus who is our ONLY mediator to the throne??

Everything that Catholicism has done to deviate from the teachings of Jesus have directed the masses so far away from the foundation of Christianity, which is to have a spiritual connection PERSONALLY to God, through Jesus. The fake holy man instructs his sheep otherwise.. NOT CHRISTIANITY. One world religion hard at work!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72790154


So why do "real" Christian read their canon, and subscribe to their Chalcedonian definition and Nicene statement?
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08/25/2016 12:38 PM
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"Catholics aren't Christians"

The Bible says Catholics are not Christian.

Is that better?
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Zap report.. ( snip )
ONE VERY DISTINCT OPINION I HAVE IS OF THE ISLAME “RELIGION”, AND ALTHOUGH I GOT PLASTERED BY A FEW FOR HAVING SUCH A DARK OPINION OF A RELIGION AND PUTTING IT DOWN, I DO NOT APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WHY?

I DO RECOGNIZE THAT THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS ARE GOOD FOLK WITH GOOD HEARTS. BUT I ALSO MUST POINT OUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS DARK RELIGION.

IN RESPECT OF ISLAM AND MY GREAT DISTASTE FOR THIS CANCEROUS RELIC, THIS IS NOT A RELIGION. THIS IS A CONTRIVED POLITICAL IDEOLOGY INVENTED BY THE VATICAN TO FIGHT THE JEWS AND THE CHRISTIANS FOR THEM AT THE TIME (WATCH THE YOUTUBE VIDEOS ON THIS TOPIC, OR READ THE HISTORY BOOKS…THERE ARE MANY). THE VATICAN ROLLED IN A LOT OF ITS OWN STUFF IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC DOCTRINE INTO ISLAM (WHY YOU SEE IT THERE), AND ENJOYED OTHERS FIGHTING THEIR BATTLES FOR FREE FOR A LONG TIME.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE QURAN BECAME A TEMPLATE FOR THE TAKEOVER OF THE WORLD. BY ITS LAWS, MUSLIMS CAN LIE TO INFIDELS WITH A CLEAR CONSCIENCE (FORGET SIGNING TREATIES AND CONTRACTS AS THEY ARE ALWAYS BROKEN).
MUSLIMS CAN KILL INFIDELS AND BE HAILED AS HEROES. I HAVE SEEN FULL VIDEOS OF THESE “MISUNDERSTOOD AND DOWNTRODDEN” CUTTING OFF THE HEADS OF CHILDREN AND ADULTS WHILE SMILING AND YELLING ALLAH ARGHBAH.

ONE VERY DISGUSTING VIDEO WAS OF A SHYLY SMILING KID OF ABOUT 12 JOKING WITH THE GUYS IN THE BACK OF A PICKUP, UNTIL HE WAS ROLLED ONTO HIS STOMACH OVER THE EDGE OF THE TAILGATE, AND THE GUY PULLED HIS HAIR UP EXPOSING HIS THROAT AND BEGAN SLICING INTO HIS NECK TO CUT HIS HEAD OFF WITH A KITCHEN KNIFE. HE SLICED INTO THE KIDS NECK AND KEPT SLICING MUSCLES AND TENDONS AND ARTERIES UNTIL HE GOT TO THE NECK BONES WHERE HE HAD SOME DIFFICULTY, BUT MANAGED TO CUT THE KIDS HEAD CLEAN OFF AFTER ABOUT A MINUTE. HE WAS OVERJOYED AT DOING THIS. THE CROWD CHEERED. MEN AND WOMEN AND CHILDREN WHO STOOD AROUND AND WATCHED THIS MURDER ALL YELLING ALLAH ARGHBAH AND JUMPING UP AND DOWN IN GLEE. I GOT SICK. THEN I SAW SOME OTHERS, AND THEY WERE ALL THE SAME. THE HAVE KILLED HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF INFIDELS IN THIS MANNER. NICE PEOPLE AND THEY SHOULD BE RESPECTED…SURE.

THE INSTALLATION OF SHARIA LAW IS ANOTHER THING. WOMEN ARE ON PAR WITH CATTLE, AND ARE SUBJECT TO RAPE AND KILLING AND WHATEVER ELSE THE MEN DECIDE.

THIS IS NOT A RELIGION AS I SAID A FEW TIMES. THIS IS A POLITICAL AGENDA TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD, AND THE MUSLIMS ARE VERY HAPPY TO STATE THAT EVERYWHERE YOU SEE THEM WHETHER ON DISCUSSIONS WITH NEWS PEOPLE, RALLIES, CONFERENCES, ANYWHERE REALLY. SO IF YOU OBJECT TO ME OBJECTING TO THESE POOR AND MISUNDERSTOOD IDIOTS, THEN YOU SHOULD RETHINK YOUR PRIORITIES: YOUR CHILDREN OR DEATH OF FREEDOM.

AND TO DRIVE THIS POINT HOME, ONE BEING I MET WHO IS VERY VERY VERY OLD (AND REMEMBER THAT GRANDFATHER IS OVER 300 YEARS OLD AND IS CONSIDERED A YOUNGSTER) TOLD ME POINT BLANK THAT UPSTAIRS IS NOT HAPPY WITH ISLAME AND WANTS IT GONE AS IT DISRUPTS THE WORLD AND IS COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY NOW. IT HAS FULFILLED ITS ROLE, AND IS NOW OBSOLETE. SUPPORTING IT IN ANY MANNER IS SHEER LUNACY.
OH YES, DID I MENTION THAT OBAMA IS A MUSLIM AND IS FOLLOWING ORDERS FROM HIS ISLAME MASTERS IN RESPECT OF THE USA? ALTHOUGH HE DID NOT START ISIS, HE ALLOWED THEM INTO THE USA. HILARY IS FOLLOWING IN THE SAME FOOTSTEPS IT SEEMS? THE USA IS IN SHAMBLES BECAUSE OF THIS PARTICULAR VEGETABLE, AND IS DYING. ISLAME “REFUGEES” ARE BEING BROUGHT IN TO FINISH THE JOB IN THE TROJAN HORSE STRATEGY OF GETTING THE RADICALS IN WITH THE GOOD FOLK THAT MUST CONDONE THE ACTIONS OR THEY ARE APOSTATES AND ARE TO BE KILLED AS WELL.

AND I SEE SO MANY DECRYING THE ATROCITIES PERFORMED ON THE MUSLIM FOLK LIKE CRITICISING THEM…SHAME SHAME SHAME. HOW DARE ANYBODY BE SO RACIST….
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GLP