Catholics DO call a man father, what does the bible say about this?

They also kneel before graven images and use incantations.

OK, OP, you have convinced me now, that I am a satanist. So I will sacrifice a black chicken tonight and tomorrow join the Church of Satan. Amen.

382 and the Vulgate (modern bible still for catholics) was commissioned. You built your own argument over things that are not relate to this thread AGAIN.

The literal words of the bible vs the teachings of the catholic church. That is the topic here. No matter how much you stray I will keep pointing you back to that.

I believe that I will be judged by Jesus on judgement day as the Bible clearly says. You believe Jesus is merely a human like me and you, so you can't claim to worship the Christian God.

This is the what several of us non-catholics call the "issue"

catholics follow a human man
holy father", venerate humans, and contradict written biblical texts.

Its the same argument against constitutional strict interpretation and living interpretations.

Creeds change and evolve, the standard of the written word does not (unless you revise the bible every few years, which they do)

The Pope has figurehead authority over catholic cannon and this pope has saw fit to contradict several recent prior popes. Why is that?

Monotheism has constructed its own religious context. Can comprehend outside its construct at this point?

So what? The Christological doctrines all trinitarian Christians believe in still weren't developed. Yes, Pope Damasus I (Theodosius' pope) commissioned the Vulgate, which the became canon by default, because it was the most widespread. Yet another Catholic doctrine Christians follow, their canon (with minor exceptions). Christians don't follow the literal word, not even remotely. You're deluding yourself.

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Protestants are reformed Catholics not non-Catholics. Reformed, not a parallel, unassociated movement, but an offshoot from the Roman mother church. Luther was an ordained Catholic priest that venerated Mary and called her mother of God like many others of his fellow reformers.

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I have? You're the ones following Catholic creeds, Catholic canon, Catholic sabbath, Catholic holidays, Catholic councils, Catholic theology, and still claim to have no association with the mother church your broke from.

Of course I don't believe in the Christian, homoousion, three-hypostases God, in which on hypostasis took one a hypostatic nature consisting of enhypostasic and anhypostasic flesh and two dyothelitic wills, operating according to the precepts of communicatio idiomatum.

I believe in YHWH, the God of Jesus, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Last Edited by Monotheism on 08/23/2016 12:49 PM

It's really easy, OP.

Do you believe in the Nicene statement, that the three hypostases of the trinity are homoousios?

Do you believe in the Chalcedonian definition, that Jesus is fully man and fully God in hypostatic union?

All trinitarian Christians subscribes to these two doctrines with no scriptural basis what so ever. This has been basis of Christian orthodoxy, Catholicism and Protestantism alike, for 16 centuries. Professing these Catholic creeds is what it means to be a Christian, and it's been that way since the 4th century. So do you accept these creeds? Because if you don't, not only are you contradicting 16 centuries of Christendom, I'm pretty sure most real Christians would say to you what you're trying to tell the inventors of your religion; that it is you who aren't a Christian.

Last Edited by Monotheism on 08/23/2016 01:11 PM

There are Bible believers and there are papists.
The followers of the pope's dogma are papists.
The studiers of the Bible are the believers.
Believing as we do, and rejecting the pope means we are excommunicated from the Catholics.
We are not Catholics, we are kicked out.

We are the wretched refuse, and we are proud.

The Pope has never contradicted any previous Pope on official Church doctrine regarding faith and morals. Never. The truth doesn't change.

Catholics aren't saved.

Why? Are you?

Last Edited by Monotheism on 08/24/2016 09:26 AM

The Catholic Church chose the books of the New Testament. And you choose to not be Catholic. You choose your beliefs. Anyone is welcome to become Catholic. You are not "kicked out." The Pope cannot contradict sacred scripture, so papist vs bible believer is a myth.

Where did you go OP?