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As the title says I think I figured out the basic idea behind Gnosticism. Doesn't mean it's true and reading Gnostic material, which all contradict each other is a real pain. Even still, I think I've found the underlying idea that is hid through metaphors as well as being corrupted over time.

Before all of us existed, whether they always existed or just appeared out of nothing(there are good arguments for both sides as to whether consciousness or anything in general can appear out of empty space or if it had to always exist) were 2 beings. I go in between atheist, agnostic, monotheist and polytheist all the time, so I'll try to explain why I think there were 2. If God exists, he doesn't exist to pass judgement, to tell you to be good and hinder your free will or anything like that. Just doesn't make sense that if he created everyone and truly loved us all then he just wouldn't. The sole reason he would have to exist is to be a source of consciousness; to create us. If he did exist then afterwards it is likely being a conscious being that he would probably still interact somehow with us and basically guide us when we really need it. There's a chance that we live forever(I believe in the soul, so I believe we exist after this life, but not sure for how long) and so you might think that interacting at all would take away from the experience of life. That's also like saying a mother or father would just birth a baby and then leave it in the wilderness. So if God is just a source of consciousness, then that means he probably is just an observer, but still guides us. So, as a source, I will from now on refer to him as Father Consciousness.

Which made me think, what if Father Consciousness couldn't actually move at all, but just watched us and nothing else. That would mean as a consciousness that doesn't move he wouldn't have sensation, the ability to feel physically. But, as a being that can create he would have to think and therefore would feel emotion. Then I thought well we can feel physically, so what if there was a being equal to Father Consciousness that can feel sensations and move, but can't feel emotion or think. Which I then realized is where the idea of Mother Nature comes into play. Whether one created the other, or they both appeared at the same time, I don't know... yet. I also realized that is where the Gnostic concept of the observer and the observed comes into play, Father Consciousness being the observer and Mother Nature being the observed. Mother Nature being the one who moves around Father Consciousness.

From there I thought maybe we are a product of them both since we can feel sensations and emotions. I thought it through and eventually realized there's a possibility that we only feel emotionally as souls without the human body. This would mean we could be a product of Father Consciousness and not Mother Nature. That was when it really hit me and I realized what Gnosticism is all about. Basically the idea of Sophia's fall(Sophia being Mother Nature), is that Mother Nature tried to "know" Father Consciousness which resulted in the birth of the archons. What that means to me, is since she can't think the same way we do, is that she felt what Father Consciousness was doing with creating souls and was okay with that for a while, but then she decided to try it out herself. That resulted in creating souls that can move(As spirits maybe we can only appear to move by shifting to other points of view of the universe, but archons can move physically around the universe, but are blind and move through feeling like echolocation instead of by what we call vision) and feel sensations, but can't think or feel emotionally as spirits. At that point I realized maybe by thinking and not thinking that the difference between the 2 could be that Father Consciousness can think creatively(which is necessary to come up with the idea of creation souls) and Mother Nature can reason. So one can come up with ideas, and the other can build connections between those ideas. So one comes up with ideas and the other creates connections between those ideas to further explore them. Same goes for us and archons.

So anyways, the archons appeared and being so reasonable saw nothing else before them and put 2 and 2 together and decided that they were Gods. So that's where the whole idea of the Elohim come from. They saw no other living thing before them and decided they were gods. Then they eventually ran into souls(us), and decided they must have created them, so they began to act as their gods. They were probably young souls and didn't yet know about Mother Nature or Father Consciousness and decided "okay, so these things created us and are our gods". So they built a world where they came rule over us and created the human body(possibly after creating bodies for themselves or they use human bodies just like us) which the human body or both human body and whatever body they could have, can feel sensations and emotions. So because of that we can feel the best of both worlds, being how Mother Nature feels, and Father consciousness feel.(sensations and emotion, and thinking creatively and rationally which could be the wrong words for it, but I feel like at the core as spirits the myths try to explain that there is a difference in the way archons think and we think)

So fast forward to today, we live in an extremely corrupt society worshiping the archons as gods, and are suffering and/or causing suffering.

One thing I realized before I thought of all of this is that the Jesus story is mostly inaccurate, and completely blown out of proportion. Which is unfortunate because a lot of Gnostic texts include Jesus into the story which is why I think the whole Gnostic mythology got corrupted. Another thing I realized, is that if the general idea behind what I said was true, then it's possible that with the bodies able to house both kinds of souls, maybe Mother Nature and Father Consciousness are among us? They probably wouldn't even know because the human experience includes forgetting life before the current one. Which got me thinking about Simon Magus. In Simonism, Simon Magus is basically Father Consciousness and in a brothel sees a prostitute that he immdediately recognizes as his other half as Mother Nature(which he calls Ennoia) who has been trapped by the archons in material bodies and whose lives included people such as Helen of Troy. It is also said that some people referred to him as Zeus and her as Hera, but those people were said to be ignorant of the true mysteries which would make sense. Since Zeus and Hera, whether archon constructs or not wouldn't be Mother Nature and Father Consciousness. Also, it is said that Gnosticism was actually founded by Simon Magus. And well, who whoever controls the world went through a lot of effort to discredit(especially in the bible) and to erase as much of Simonism as possible, and since I don't believe in the bible or Jesus, it actually makes me think what he said could be a possibility.




So take from that what you will, like I said I don't strictly believe in any of it, but it's an interesting thought process to try and figure out some real Gnostic mythology. If it were to be true, I honestly think it would be pretty cool and would make life pretty exciting for that to be how we got to be where we are today along with where life will take us in the future.
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No need, my reply was succinct. Truth is simple.
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If you're interest in Gnosticism, then just bare through it and read until the end. I know I'm bad for wall of texts, but I felt like I had to explain majority of the details for it to make any sense. I'm also bad for never ending sentences, but I tried my best. Since it's more a thought process of trying to decode Gnostic mythology, I figured anyone who reads through it might make a connection based on how I came to that conclusion.
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No need, my reply was succinct. Truth is simple.
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How can you seriously say that none of that is truth? I don't even know if it's truth, but just to reply invalid in itself is invalid, because there's always the possibility that it is truth.

So, what is truth to you?
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Naw, there's no way your implication that Father Consciousness and Mother Nature are the two witnesses can hold any water for long.

How could they even die...
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As the title says I think I figured out the basic idea behind Gnosticism. Doesn't mean it's true and reading Gnostic material, which all contradict each other is a real pain. Even still, I think I've found the underlying idea that is hid through metaphors as well as being corrupted over time.

Before all of us existed, whether they always existed or just appeared out of nothing(there are good arguments for both sides as to whether consciousness or anything in general can appear out of empty space or if it had to always exist) were 2 beings. I go in between atheist, agnostic, monotheist and polytheist all the time, so I'll try to explain why I think there were 2. If God exists, he doesn't exist to pass judgement, to tell you to be good and hinder your free will or anything like that. Just doesn't make sense that if he created everyone and truly loved us all then he just wouldn't. The sole reason he would have to exist is to be a source of consciousness; to create us. If he did exist then afterwards it is likely being a conscious being that he would probably still interact somehow with us and basically guide us when we really need it. There's a chance that we live forever(I believe in the soul, so I believe we exist after this life, but not sure for how long) and so you might think that interacting at all would take away from the experience of life. That's also like saying a mother or father would just birth a baby and then leave it in the wilderness. So if God is just a source of consciousness, then that means he probably is just an observer, but still guides us. So, as a source, I will from now on refer to him as Father Consciousness.

Which made me think, what if Father Consciousness couldn't actually move at all, but just watched us and nothing else. That would mean as a consciousness that doesn't move he wouldn't have sensation, the ability to feel physically. But, as a being that can create he would have to think and therefore would feel emotion. Then I thought well we can feel physically, so what if there was a being equal to Father Consciousness that can feel sensations and move, but can't feel emotion or think. Which I then realized is where the idea of Mother Nature comes into play. Whether one created the other, or they both appeared at the same time, I don't know... yet. I also realized that is where the Gnostic concept of the observer and the observed comes into play, Father Consciousness being the observer and Mother Nature being the observed. Mother Nature being the one who moves around Father Consciousness.

From there I thought maybe we are a product of them both since we can feel sensations and emotions. I thought it through and eventually realized there's a possibility that we only feel emotionally as souls without the human body. This would mean we could be a product of Father Consciousness and not Mother Nature. That was when it really hit me and I realized what Gnosticism is all about. Basically the idea of Sophia's fall(Sophia being Mother Nature), is that Mother Nature tried to "know" Father Consciousness which resulted in the birth of the archons. What that means to me, is since she can't think the same way we do, is that she felt what Father Consciousness was doing with creating souls and was okay with that for a while, but then she decided to try it out herself. That resulted in creating souls that can move(As spirits maybe we can only appear to move by shifting to other points of view of the universe, but archons can move physically around the universe, but are blind and move through feeling like echolocation instead of by what we call vision) and feel sensations, but can't think or feel emotionally as spirits. At that point I realized maybe by thinking and not thinking that the difference between the 2 could be that Father Consciousness can think creatively(which is necessary to come up with the idea of creation souls) and Mother Nature can reason. So one can come up with ideas, and the other can build connections between those ideas. So one comes up with ideas and the other creates connections between those ideas to further explore them. Same goes for us and archons.

So anyways, the archons appeared and being so reasonable saw nothing else before them and put 2 and 2 together and decided that they were Gods. So that's where the whole idea of the Elohim come from. They saw no other living thing before them and decided they were gods. Then they eventually ran into souls(us), and decided they must have created them, so they began to act as their gods. They were probably young souls and didn't yet know about Mother Nature or Father Consciousness and decided "okay, so these things created us and are our gods". So they built a world where they came rule over us and created the human body(possibly after creating bodies for themselves or they use human bodies just like us) which the human body or both human body and whatever body they could have, can feel sensations and emotions. So because of that we can feel the best of both worlds, being how Mother Nature feels, and Father consciousness feel.(sensations and emotion, and thinking creatively and rationally which could be the wrong words for it, but I feel like at the core as spirits the myths try to explain that there is a difference in the way archons think and we think)

So fast forward to today, we live in an extremely corrupt society worshiping the archons as gods, and are suffering and/or causing suffering.

One thing I realized before I thought of all of this is that the Jesus story is mostly inaccurate, and completely blown out of proportion. Which is unfortunate because a lot of Gnostic texts include Jesus into the story which is why I think the whole Gnostic mythology got corrupted. Another thing I realized, is that if the general idea behind what I said was true, then it's possible that with the bodies able to house both kinds of souls, maybe Mother Nature and Father Consciousness are among us? They probably wouldn't even know because the human experience includes forgetting life before the current one. Which got me thinking about Simon Magus. In Simonism, Simon Magus is basically Father Consciousness and in a brothel sees a prostitute that he immdediately recognizes as his other half as Mother Nature(which he calls Ennoia) who has been trapped by the archons in material bodies and whose lives included people such as Helen of Troy. It is also said that some people referred to him as Zeus and her as Hera, but those people were said to be ignorant of the true mysteries which would make sense. Since Zeus and Hera, whether archon constructs or not wouldn't be Mother Nature and Father Consciousness. Also, it is said that Gnosticism was actually founded by Simon Magus. And well, who whoever controls the world went through a lot of effort to discredit(especially in the bible) and to erase as much of Simonism as possible, and since I don't believe in the bible or Jesus, it actually makes me think what he said could be a possibility.




So take from that what you will, like I said I don't strictly believe in any of it, but it's an interesting thought process to try and figure out some real Gnostic mythology. If it were to be true, I honestly think it would be pretty cool and would make life pretty exciting for that to be how we got to be where we are today along with where life will take us in the future.
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No, you don´t understand it all and the way you choose to find out is invalid.
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Naw, there's no way your implication that Father Consciousness and Mother Nature are the two witnesses can hold any water for long.

How could they even die...
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By the two witnesses, if you're referring to the bible then you're referring to a program made for control irrelevant to who created the bible.
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As the title says I think I figured out the basic idea behind Gnosticism. Doesn't mean it's true and reading Gnostic material, which all contradict each other is a real pain. Even still, I think I've found the underlying idea that is hid through metaphors as well as being corrupted over time.

Before all of us existed, whether they always existed or just appeared out of nothing(there are good arguments for both sides as to whether consciousness or anything in general can appear out of empty space or if it had to always exist) were 2 beings. I go in between atheist, agnostic, monotheist and polytheist all the time, so I'll try to explain why I think there were 2. If God exists, he doesn't exist to pass judgement, to tell you to be good and hinder your free will or anything like that. Just doesn't make sense that if he created everyone and truly loved us all then he just wouldn't. The sole reason he would have to exist is to be a source of consciousness; to create us. If he did exist then afterwards it is likely being a conscious being that he would probably still interact somehow with us and basically guide us when we really need it. There's a chance that we live forever(I believe in the soul, so I believe we exist after this life, but not sure for how long) and so you might think that interacting at all would take away from the experience of life. That's also like saying a mother or father would just birth a baby and then leave it in the wilderness. So if God is just a source of consciousness, then that means he probably is just an observer, but still guides us. So, as a source, I will from now on refer to him as Father Consciousness.

Which made me think, what if Father Consciousness couldn't actually move at all, but just watched us and nothing else. That would mean as a consciousness that doesn't move he wouldn't have sensation, the ability to feel physically. But, as a being that can create he would have to think and therefore would feel emotion. Then I thought well we can feel physically, so what if there was a being equal to Father Consciousness that can feel sensations and move, but can't feel emotion or think. Which I then realized is where the idea of Mother Nature comes into play. Whether one created the other, or they both appeared at the same time, I don't know... yet. I also realized that is where the Gnostic concept of the observer and the observed comes into play, Father Consciousness being the observer and Mother Nature being the observed. Mother Nature being the one who moves around Father Consciousness.

From there I thought maybe we are a product of them both since we can feel sensations and emotions. I thought it through and eventually realized there's a possibility that we only feel emotionally as souls without the human body. This would mean we could be a product of Father Consciousness and not Mother Nature. That was when it really hit me and I realized what Gnosticism is all about. Basically the idea of Sophia's fall(Sophia being Mother Nature), is that Mother Nature tried to "know" Father Consciousness which resulted in the birth of the archons. What that means to me, is since she can't think the same way we do, is that she felt what Father Consciousness was doing with creating souls and was okay with that for a while, but then she decided to try it out herself. That resulted in creating souls that can move(As spirits maybe we can only appear to move by shifting to other points of view of the universe, but archons can move physically around the universe, but are blind and move through feeling like echolocation instead of by what we call vision) and feel sensations, but can't think or feel emotionally as spirits. At that point I realized maybe by thinking and not thinking that the difference between the 2 could be that Father Consciousness can think creatively(which is necessary to come up with the idea of creation souls) and Mother Nature can reason. So one can come up with ideas, and the other can build connections between those ideas. So one comes up with ideas and the other creates connections between those ideas to further explore them. Same goes for us and archons.

So anyways, the archons appeared and being so reasonable saw nothing else before them and put 2 and 2 together and decided that they were Gods. So that's where the whole idea of the Elohim come from. They saw no other living thing before them and decided they were gods. Then they eventually ran into souls(us), and decided they must have created them, so they began to act as their gods. They were probably young souls and didn't yet know about Mother Nature or Father Consciousness and decided "okay, so these things created us and are our gods". So they built a world where they came rule over us and created the human body(possibly after creating bodies for themselves or they use human bodies just like us) which the human body or both human body and whatever body they could have, can feel sensations and emotions. So because of that we can feel the best of both worlds, being how Mother Nature feels, and Father consciousness feel.(sensations and emotion, and thinking creatively and rationally which could be the wrong words for it, but I feel like at the core as spirits the myths try to explain that there is a difference in the way archons think and we think)

So fast forward to today, we live in an extremely corrupt society worshiping the archons as gods, and are suffering and/or causing suffering.

One thing I realized before I thought of all of this is that the Jesus story is mostly inaccurate, and completely blown out of proportion. Which is unfortunate because a lot of Gnostic texts include Jesus into the story which is why I think the whole Gnostic mythology got corrupted. Another thing I realized, is that if the general idea behind what I said was true, then it's possible that with the bodies able to house both kinds of souls, maybe Mother Nature and Father Consciousness are among us? They probably wouldn't even know because the human experience includes forgetting life before the current one. Which got me thinking about Simon Magus. In Simonism, Simon Magus is basically Father Consciousness and in a brothel sees a prostitute that he immdediately recognizes as his other half as Mother Nature(which he calls Ennoia) who has been trapped by the archons in material bodies and whose lives included people such as Helen of Troy. It is also said that some people referred to him as Zeus and her as Hera, but those people were said to be ignorant of the true mysteries which would make sense. Since Zeus and Hera, whether archon constructs or not wouldn't be Mother Nature and Father Consciousness. Also, it is said that Gnosticism was actually founded by Simon Magus. And well, who whoever controls the world went through a lot of effort to discredit(especially in the bible) and to erase as much of Simonism as possible, and since I don't believe in the bible or Jesus, it actually makes me think what he said could be a possibility.




So take from that what you will, like I said I don't strictly believe in any of it, but it's an interesting thought process to try and figure out some real Gnostic mythology. If it were to be true, I honestly think it would be pretty cool and would make life pretty exciting for that to be how we got to be where we are today along with where life will take us in the future.
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No, you don´t understand it all and the way you choose to find out is invalid.
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How can you seriously say I don't understand a mythology that's thousands of years old and barely has any surviving texts? If you understand it so well, then explain. So far all of you are providing the common GLP responses which have no logic, or explanation and are completely closed minded. Maybe you should wake up and smell the roses.
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I thought it was an interesting read, and I applaud your efforts at reasoning things out.

But I myself don't know nearly enough about Gnosticism to provide any meaningful feedback.
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read every page on this website

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mushroom mythology
type in jesus mushrrom in google imagaes for mindblowing realization.
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No need, my reply was succinct. Truth is simple.
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How can you seriously say that none of that is truth? I don't even know if it's truth, but just to reply invalid in itself is invalid, because there's always the possibility that it is truth.

So, what is truth to you?
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What I said was truth. Your words are invalid.





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