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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72361689 United States 08/29/2016 06:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If one wants to know if what the op says is correct all we need do is ask God through his Holy Spirit to show us where the area of sin is in our life that we may not even perceive.if we are earnest the spirit will show us that area and we will see whether we really desire that the area of sin be cleansed. I went many years in debating this question , being on the fence of being totally devoted to God or embracing the pleasure of the sin. This debate is real as Paul outlined in Romans ch 7. Like Jacob wrestling with God at the brook where I believe he received and understood grace, we can also understand grace in our own life as it relates to our own sin where we see that we are powerless to fight against it but with God this is possible through his grace |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72882198 United States 08/29/2016 06:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It sounds like you are saying to the newly reborn christian; you're lucky, you've found the right path, now don't screw up again or you're outta here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67440815 There is a VAST OCEAN of DIFFERENCE between "screwing up" and sinning,(which we all do) and WILLFULLY making a LIFESTYLE out of sin. 1 CORINTHIANS 6 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such WERE some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1 PETER 4 18 And if the RIGHTEOUS SCARCELY BE SAVED, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? REVELATION 3 5 HE THAT OVERCOMETH, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I WILL NOT BLOT OUT HIS NAME out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I WILL SPUE THEE OUT OF MY MOUTH. Now there, "once saved, always saved" people. Three different sources: Paul, Peter and Jesus Christ Himself. Stop leading people to perdition with your lying, damnable doctrine! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72882198 United States 08/29/2016 06:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It sounds like you are saying to the newly reborn christian; you're lucky, you've found the right path, now don't screw up again or you're outta here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67440815 There is a VAST OCEAN of DIFFERENCE between "screwing up" and sinning,(which we all do) and WILLFULLY making a LIFESTYLE out of sin. 1 CORINTHIANS 6 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such WERE some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1 PETER 4 18 And if the RIGHTEOUS SCARCELY BE SAVED, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? REVELATION 3 5 HE THAT OVERCOMETH, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I WILL NOT BLOT OUT HIS NAME out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I WILL SPUE THEE OUT OF MY MOUTH. Now there, "once saved, always saved" people. Three different sources: Paul, Peter and Jesus Christ Himself. Stop leading people to perdition with your lying, damnable doctrine! A perfect analogy is the Prodigal Son. He came to himself, went home to his father, who welcomed him with open arms, and forgave him. His father said that he had been LOST! LOST, LOST, LOST! If, after he had returned to his father's house, he had gotten a yearning for the whores, and left his father's house and went a whoring again, WHAT WOULD HE HAVE BEEN??? LOST, LOST, LOST! As LOST as LOST can be! Jesus preached INCESSANTLY that OUR ACTIONS have consequences, and those consequences can be ETERNAL! If you SAY you love God, then LIVE A LIFE of SIN, you are lying to God, and lying to yourself! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67440815 United States 08/29/2016 06:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | of SIN, you are lying to God, and lying to yourself! ------------ What is sin? Sin is falling short of the Glory of God. Tell me you don't - At All. My God has said " There's None that doeth good NO, Not One." |
Grundig User ID: 63628716 United States 08/29/2016 06:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It sounds like you are saying to the newly reborn christian; you're lucky, you've found the right path, now don't screw up again or you're outta here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67440815 There is a VAST OCEAN of DIFFERENCE between "screwing up" and sinning,(which we all do) and WILLFULLY making a LIFESTYLE out of sin. 1 CORINTHIANS 6 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such WERE some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1 PETER 4 18 And if the RIGHTEOUS SCARCELY BE SAVED, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? REVELATION 3 5 HE THAT OVERCOMETH, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I WILL NOT BLOT OUT HIS NAME out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I WILL SPUE THEE OUT OF MY MOUTH. Now there, "once saved, always saved" people. Three different sources: Paul, Peter and Jesus Christ Himself. Stop leading people to perdition with your lying, damnable doctrine! A perfect analogy is the Prodigal Son. He came to himself, went home to his father, who welcomed him with open arms, and forgave him. His father said that he had been LOST! LOST, LOST, LOST! If, after he had returned to his father's house, he had gotten a yearning for the whores, and left his father's house and went a whoring again, WHAT WOULD HE HAVE BEEN??? LOST, LOST, LOST! As LOST as LOST can be! Jesus preached INCESSANTLY that OUR ACTIONS have consequences, and those consequences can be ETERNAL! If you SAY you love God, then LIVE A LIFE of SIN, you are lying to God, and lying to yourself! "Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them." Hebrews 7:25 "being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus." Philippians 1:6 . Last Edited by Grundig on 08/29/2016 06:46 AM ------------------------------------ "Jesus is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’ Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” Act 4:11-12 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72882198 United States 08/29/2016 07:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It sounds like you are saying to the newly reborn christian; you're lucky, you've found the right path, now don't screw up again or you're outta here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67440815 There is a VAST OCEAN of DIFFERENCE between "screwing up" and sinning,(which we all do) and WILLFULLY making a LIFESTYLE out of sin. 1 CORINTHIANS 6 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such WERE some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1 PETER 4 18 And if the RIGHTEOUS SCARCELY BE SAVED, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? REVELATION 3 5 HE THAT OVERCOMETH, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I WILL NOT BLOT OUT HIS NAME out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I WILL SPUE THEE OUT OF MY MOUTH. Now there, "once saved, always saved" people. Three different sources: Paul, Peter and Jesus Christ Himself. Stop leading people to perdition with your lying, damnable doctrine! A perfect analogy is the Prodigal Son. He came to himself, went home to his father, who welcomed him with open arms, and forgave him. His father said that he had been LOST! LOST, LOST, LOST! If, after he had returned to his father's house, he had gotten a yearning for the whores, and left his father's house and went a whoring again, WHAT WOULD HE HAVE BEEN??? LOST, LOST, LOST! As LOST as LOST can be! Jesus preached INCESSANTLY that OUR ACTIONS have consequences, and those consequences can be ETERNAL! If you SAY you love God, then LIVE A LIFE of SIN, you are lying to God, and lying to yourself! "Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them." Hebrews 7:25 "being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus." Philippians 1:6 . Nice try, but Jesus doesn't FORCE HIMSELF on ANYONE. He also doesn't intercede for UNREPENTANT SINNERS! Jesus will NEVER abandon US, but we can certainly ABANDON HIM. I see it every day. "Once saved, Always saved" is a lie straight from the pits of hell, and this new ridiculous satanic doctrine of Hyper-Grace is right out of Satan's playbook. MILLIONS of lost souls who believed they could walk down an aisle, say a sinner's prayer, shed a few crocodile tears, then go out the door and live like the devil are going to hear, one day, "Depart from Me, I NEVER knew you." God is not fooled and He is not mocked. We can lie to ourselves, and even believe our own lies, but God knows our hearts. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72882198 United States 08/29/2016 08:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IF! The biggest little word in the English language! 1 JOHN 1 7 But IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 IF we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 IF we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 IF we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72837581 United Kingdom 08/29/2016 08:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Please state your definition of Grace; as it does not fit with the definition I learned, which is "unmerited" favor. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67440815 The definition you learnt is a false one. It's the definition those who don't want to practice righteousness cling to. It's the very reason why lawlessness now abounds in the Church. The good things we speak, write and do, through the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, is what is called grace. In referring to the Lord Jesus Christ, Luke wrote: "And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth." [Luke 4:22] Also regarding grace the Apostle Paul wrote: "But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." [1 Cor.15:10] "Nevertheless, brethren, I have written more boldly to you on some points, as reminding you, because of the grace given to me by God..." [Rom.15:15] "so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." [Rom.5:21] Grace is only evident in our lives if we're diligently practicing righteousness, through the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit. Don't be deceived by the Apostate Church's definition of grace. |
Grundig User ID: 63628716 United States 08/29/2016 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | MILLIONS of lost souls who believed they Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72882198 could walk down an aisle, say a sinner's prayer, shed a few crocodile tears, then go out the door and live like the devil are going to hear, one day, "Depart from Me, I NEVER knew you." Says who? How do you know that those that say the "Sinner's Prayer" are going out the door to "live like the devil"? Last Edited by Grundig on 08/29/2016 09:06 AM ------------------------------------ "Jesus is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’ Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” Act 4:11-12 |
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TidesofTruth User ID: 44747932 United States 08/29/2016 09:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wait Did you not Say Yesterday: Thread: Salvation by Faith, NOT by Works Every single Christian denomination has allowed error to creep in regarding this point. My own Independent Baptists know salvation is by faith, but even they sometimes try to make it conditional in some way on works. They will say you must be baptised, you must attend church, you must tithe, etc. That is why I distance myself by saying I preach the Bible. I preach Jesus Christ - crucified, risen, and living. And I preach salvation by faith. Sadly, a great many so-called Christian denominations aren't even in simple error. They flatly teach a doctrine of salvation by works, which is heresy. I could name denominations here, but you should be able to see for yourself. If their doctrine says anything other than salvation by faith in the finished work done by Jesus on the cross, they are wrong. And such denominations have no right to call themselves Christian because they deny Christ! They deny His divinity, His word, His right to be called The Son of God if they believe His work was somehow insufficient, that man has to "help" by doing something else. Man is not capable of doing anything aceptable to God until he has been redeemed! Good works follow naturally once the believer receives the Holy Spirit, and are then pleasing to God. Baptism is a public affirmation of faith. It should not be done until the believer is saved, and it is not a condition of salvation - you need not be baptised to be saved. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72844821 Ephesians 2:8,9 says: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast. Those are the words of the Apostle Paul. Throughout his long ministry, Paul was plagued by people he called "Judaizers". In his time, these were converted Jews who believed in Jesus as their Messiah, but were determined to make Gentile Christians follow Jewish laws - a doctrine of faith plus works. The group has changed, the things they insist on have changed, but the doctrine is still heresy. At this point, I'd like to lift a bit of text from brother Don Koenig of thepropheticyears-dot-com (A site I heartily recommend): Salvation is not achieved by reciting some words or by the obedience of being baptized in water in the name of Jesus. It is achieved by believing that God is righteous and merciful and gracious to save. It is believing that God provided a Savior for all mankind who trust and believe in Him for their salvation. Believers by confessing Jesus Christ are confessing to the actual meaning of the name of the person that God sent to save them. The name "Jesus Christ" actually means "the anointed Savior of Jehovah" The gospel of John said that God came into the world in the form of a man (Jesus) and the world did not know Him but as many as received Jesus He has given the power to become sons of God (John 1:12). So John said salvation comes by receiving Jesus. It's not an idea exclusive to the New Testament either. In Genesis we see that Abraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousness. Noah believed God, followed orders that must have seemed very strange to him, and was saved with his family. Neither of these patriarchs were righteous by their own works. God counted them righteous for their faith. Romans 3:10: There is none righteous, no, not one. That included the patriarchs. Paul then continues in Romans 3:21-26: But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith in Jesus Christ unto all and upon all that believe; for there is no difference: For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness: that He might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. KJV, emphasis mine. Justification is the act of God, who is the ONLY being with power to declare justification, whereby the status of believers is changed and we are declared righteous, even though we have done nothing, indeed CAN do nothing to earn it. When we express faith in the saving grace of God through Jesus Christ, He forgives our sins and declares us worthy to share eternity with Him in Heaven. What then of works? Do they have any value? Yes! After you have accepted the salvation of Jesus, then your good works will be acceptable to God and He will reward you in Heaven according to your works. But you must always remember that your works did not earn you a place in Heaven. That attitude is an insult to our Savior! Blessed be the Name of The Lord for He is merciful toward us. Thank you Father for your guidance and for this opportunity to speak the Gospel. In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and forever, Amen. Last Edited by TidesofTruth on 08/29/2016 09:15 AM |
TBJ1026 User ID: 36530005 United States 08/29/2016 09:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | IF! The biggest little word in the Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72882198 English language! 1 JOHN 1 7 But IF we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 IF we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 IF we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 IF we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. All "ifs" in Koine Greek (the language of the NT) are conditional sentences and it depends on which condition as to how you translate it. 1st class IF - what is being said is TRUE 2nd class IF - what is being said is NOT TRUE 3rd class IF - what is being said MIGHT BE TRUE BUT DEPENDS ON CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES 4th class IF - what is being said is NOT TRUE but the writer wishes it was. The grammar of the sentence determines which class "if" is being used. If you don't know how to look at the original language, parse the grammar and determine which class is being used, you can't just throw out these kinds of sentences and use them as proof for anything. Be loyal to truth... |
Hoon1016 User ID: 36273143 United States 08/29/2016 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. Acts 5:31 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life. Acts 11:18 Salvation and repentance are inseparably linked together and both are the work and gift of God. Doesn't anybody feel that all these killers should be killed, and all these healers should be healed, so all of these beggars can be filled... Toes across the floor, Blind Melon |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1135632 United States 08/29/2016 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The good things we speak, write and do, through the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, is what is called grace. ----- Who taught you that? Please link to any bible studies ministry that teaches that. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72837581 United Kingdom 08/29/2016 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The definition you learnt is a false one. It's the definition those who don't want to practice righteousness cling to. It's the very reason why lawlessness now abounds in the Church. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1135632 The good things we speak, write and do, through the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, is what is called grace. ----- Who taught you that? Please link to any bible studies ministry that teaches that. The Holy Spirit did. You don't need a Bible study ministry to teach you. That's why the Lord gave us the gift of the Holy Spirit. Is it any wonder millions are being led into Apostasy through Bible study ministries! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72883968 United States 08/29/2016 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | MILLIONS of lost souls who believed they Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72882198 could walk down an aisle, say a sinner's prayer, shed a few crocodile tears, then go out the door and live like the devil are going to hear, one day, "Depart from Me, I NEVER knew you." Says who? How do you know that those that say the "Sinner's Prayer" are going out the door to "live like the devil"? I didn't say, ALL turn grace into license, or try to. I PERSONALLY know of those who have though, and I see them everywhere I go. CINOs. "CHRISTIAN IN NAME ONLY!" I could write you a book! The fact that they are entangled in sin isn't the real problem, Jesus can untangle them and put them on the NARROW path, which is NOT the BROAD path, IF THEY WERE WILLING! I'm talking about unrepentant sinners who believe that they can ABUSE the Grace of God and use it as "fire insurance". Once saved always saved (they believe)! I could tell you one story that would curl your hair! It is absolutely unbelieveable the immorality and depravity involved. Yet both parties think they can live as they please, ask forgiveness, and that's that! Never has worked and never will. God is NOT a sap or a sucker. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72883968 United States 08/29/2016 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Please state your definition of Grace; as it does not fit with the definition I learned, which is "unmerited" favor. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67440815 The definition you learnt is a false one. It's the definition those who don't want to practice righteousness cling to. It's the very reason why lawlessness now abounds in the Church. The good things we speak, write and do, through the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, is what is called grace. In referring to the Lord Jesus Christ, Luke wrote: "And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth." [Luke 4:22] Also regarding grace the Apostle Paul wrote: "But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me." [1 Cor.15:10] "Nevertheless, brethren, I have written more boldly to you on some points, as reminding you, because of the grace given to me by God..." [Rom.15:15] "so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." [Rom.5:21] Grace is only evident in our lives if we're diligently practicing righteousness, through the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit. Don't be deceived by the Apostate Church's definition of grace. I'm not so sure that MANY of these OSAS folks are not just deceived by Satan. Some may be his little helpers, telling people what they want to hear, which is that they can live a life of sin which they love, and GET AWAY WITH IT! ALL MARCHING HEADLONG INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. |
Grundig User ID: 63628716 United States 08/29/2016 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | MILLIONS of lost souls who believed they Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72882198 could walk down an aisle, say a sinner's prayer, shed a few crocodile tears, then go out the door and live like the devil are going to hear, one day, "Depart from Me, I NEVER knew you." Says who? How do you know that those that say the "Sinner's Prayer" are going out the door to "live like the devil"? I didn't say, ALL turn grace into license, or try to. I PERSONALLY know of those who have though, and I see them everywhere I go. CINOs. "CHRISTIAN IN NAME ONLY!" I could write you a book! The fact that they are entangled in sin isn't the real problem, Jesus can untangle them and put them on the NARROW path, which is NOT the BROAD path, IF THEY WERE WILLING! I'm talking about unrepentant sinners who believe that they can ABUSE the Grace of God and use it as "fire insurance". Once saved always saved (they believe)! I could tell you one story that would curl your hair! It is absolutely unbelieveable the immorality and depravity involved. Yet both parties think they can live as they please, ask forgiveness, and that's that! Never has worked and never will. God is NOT a sap or a sucker. Do you sin? ------------------------------------ "Jesus is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’ Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” Act 4:11-12 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1135632 United States 08/29/2016 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The definition you learnt is a false one. It's the definition those who don't want to practice righteousness cling to. It's the very reason why lawlessness now abounds in the Church. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1135632 The good things we speak, write and do, through the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit, is what is called grace. ----- Who taught you that? Please link to any bible studies ministry that teaches that. The Holy Spirit did. You don't need a Bible study ministry to teach you. That's why the Lord gave us the gift of the Holy Spirit. Is it any wonder millions are being led into Apostasy through Bible study ministries! So, your definition is of private interpretation. - I thought so. Glad I don't belong to your "Church of Misunderstanding". |