Irreducible Complexity - Evolution is *Literally* not possible! | |
A Friend User ID: 72443353 United States 09/03/2016 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The proof is that this world is still teeming with life after countless mass extinction events. Just out of curiosity, why do I even need to prove to you anything? Cannot your religious beliefs stand on their own? I am quite comfortable in my agnosticism. Do you need your faith validated? Evolution is a theory. Faith is faith. My faith is good. If evolution is a theory than so is creationism. Is it not? Your faith is no more valid than any others. But, unfortunately for you, the evidence is not in your religion's favor. It is not "if". Evolution is a theory. Creationism is proven in the bible. You have to decide if the bible is correct. I agree that it is, faith. But Lord, he stinketh! :fnecsm: "When the sky crackles in an electric dance of a beautiful requiem of lapis lazuli, maybe you will remember..." ~ Anonymous Coward 77360040 |
hankie Everything User ID: 71719409 United States 09/03/2016 02:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even Darwin who wrote the theory before he died said he was wrong. It was something he did not see before he wrote it. Something under the water in the Island he was on when he first came up with the theory. He did not fight the theory, because most of his theory had nothing to do with animal to man evolution. His idea was survival of the fittest, his whole life was around these groups with some people are better to survive than others. Not Christian for sure. Think in the terms of where Eugenics came from. Sorry I got a headache These are the times that tries men's and women's souls! May we come though it victorious! |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 620560 United States 09/03/2016 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course I have , the natural history museum in London is massive. Here's an interesting read on the recent developments in evolution. You can also find a few documentaries on pootube by the same guy. [link to tiktaalik.uchicago.edu] which...is a theory of morphology! Gills to lungs? How'd time allow for that transitional phase for survival? This theory would call for a species to devolve into a critically less efficient weaker transitional phase before evolving into a stronger species...in a world of survival of the fittest! Take a lot of faith to follow that theory! |
Petrus User ID: 72839845 Canada 09/03/2016 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah you bet! They don't like public debate very much! Quoting: jdb Thanks for the vid, will check it out in a couple of minutes! That's because it's not a debate evolution has stood solid for over 200 years and you lot are just butt hurt. Richard Dawkins, is that you? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72910334 United States 09/03/2016 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah you bet! They don't like public debate very much! Quoting: jdb Thanks for the vid, will check it out in a couple of minutes! That's because it's not a debate evolution has stood solid for over 200 years and you lot are just butt hurt. What do you mean by "evolution?" If by "evolution" you mean common descent and natural selection then, yes, "evolution" is a fact in that sense. But if by "evolution" you are implying that natural selection acting on random mutation gave rise to the complex, intelligent life that we see around us then, no, "evolution" is not a fact but rather a fairy tale - in fact a very old fairy tale going all the way back to Epicurus. Charles Darwin reintroduced the fairy tale to modern audiences and Richard Dawkins has done a wonderful job marketing it. But it is not supported by modern science at all. In fact, as Michael Behe has demonstrated, there is a mathematical limit to what Darwinian (aka Random) Evolution can achieve in Nature. It is a nice fairy tale though, one that really serves only one purpose: to achieve what Epicurus dubbed "ataraxia": freedom from the "disturbing" thought of a God, and Sin, and worst of all, the "disturbing" thought of an afterlife. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71930366 Canada 09/03/2016 02:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah you bet! They don't like public debate very much! Quoting: jdb Thanks for the vid, will check it out in a couple of minutes! That's because it's not a debate evolution has stood solid for over 200 years and you lot are just butt hurt. Stood solid where exactly? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 620560 United States 09/03/2016 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah you bet! They don't like public debate very much! Quoting: jdb Thanks for the vid, will check it out in a couple of minutes! That's because it's not a debate evolution has stood solid for over 200 years and you lot are just butt hurt. Nooo...this *is* the point!!! The theory of evolution has *NEVER* stood on its own accord...EVER! The theory of evolution has *always* been propped up! Check out the marvel of Intelligent Design! Check the vid out and then come back and talk about it! |
Man_Discarded User ID: 59526323 United States 09/03/2016 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah you bet! They don't like public debate very much! Quoting: jdb Thanks for the vid, will check it out in a couple of minutes! That's because it's not a debate evolution has stood solid for over 200 years and you lot are just butt hurt. What do you mean by "evolution?" If by "evolution" you mean common descent and natural selection then, yes, "evolution" is a fact in that sense. But if by "evolution" you are implying that natural selection acting on random mutation gave rise to the complex, intelligent life that we see around us then, no, "evolution" is not a fact but rather a fairy tale - in fact a very old fairy tale going all the way back to Epicurus. Charles Darwin reintroduced the fairy tale to modern audiences and Richard Dawkins has done a wonderful job marketing it. But it is not supported by modern science at all. In fact, as Michael Behe has demonstrated, there is a mathematical limit to what Darwinian (aka Random) Evolution can achieve in Nature. It is a nice fairy tale though, one that really serves only one purpose: to achieve what Epicurus dubbed "ataraxia": freedom from the "disturbing" thought of a God, and Sin, and worst of all, the "disturbing" thought of an afterlife. The uncommon measure of a man is what he is willing to give up to elevate the next man. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 620560 United States 09/03/2016 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Michael Behe wrote a book about this topic many years ago. Very good! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28533331 Yes, two excelllent books: Darwin's Black Box and The Edge of Evolution. Turns out, there is actually a mathematical, statistical limit to what random mutations can achieve. The two best examples of what random mutation can achieve are the case studies of Malaria and Lenski's E.coli experiments. What do we see? Evolution? Nope. We see a few small tweaks around the edges of life, but nothing approaching an irreducibly complex system. Behe is absoluely right when he says that the cell is literally a molecular machine, nanotechnology really. Any other time we see this kind of design we are correct to conclude the presense of a Designer. But it turns out that many scientists today have an a priori commitment to Materialism and Atheism and refuse to follow the evidence where it leads. Thank you!!! Let's hear what the nay sayers who have yet to watch the vid have to say. Will they answer with intellectual integrity? Good video. Here's another with some of the heavyweights of ID: It is also interesting to note that years ago Michael Behe was set to debate Richard Dawkins on the public talk show Think Tank, but Dawkins chickened out. That would be a debate I would love to watch. Unsinkable...are you in the Dallas area? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72910334 United States 09/03/2016 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Unsinkable Sam Yes, two excelllent books: Darwin's Black Box and The Edge of Evolution. Turns out, there is actually a mathematical, statistical limit to what random mutations can achieve. The two best examples of what random mutation can achieve are the case studies of Malaria and Lenski's E.coli experiments. What do we see? Evolution? Nope. We see a few small tweaks around the edges of life, but nothing approaching an irreducibly complex system. Behe is absoluely right when he says that the cell is literally a molecular machine, nanotechnology really. Any other time we see this kind of design we are correct to conclude the presense of a Designer. But it turns out that many scientists today have an a priori commitment to Materialism and Atheism and refuse to follow the evidence where it leads. Thank you!!! Let's hear what the nay sayers who have yet to watch the vid have to say. Will they answer with intellectual integrity? Good video. Here's another with some of the heavyweights of ID: It is also interesting to note that years ago Michael Behe was set to debate Richard Dawkins on the public talk show Think Tank, but Dawkins chickened out. That would be a debate I would love to watch. Unsinkable...are you in the Dallas area? No. Sorry. I'm on the East Coast. The old lady doesn't let me out much. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 64206342 United States 09/03/2016 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Without evolution all life would eventually go extinct. When a species dies out, another evolves to fill the niche. It is happening right now, all over the world. Always has, always will. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70735497 You have no evidence to support your position! Check the vid out and destroy the evidence he is presenting! Please explain the existence of dinosaurs, their extinction, and subsequent evolution of countless species that filled their absence. A species narrowing its breed to fill a niche is not hard to understand. Even detrimental inbreeding eventually being bred out after many generations seems not hard to comprehend. What is hard to comprehend is the creation of the first single cell organism with all the complexity of its organelles that never had any ability to be free floating "life" or self replicating on their own. That is a tough one to crack. I think that, for lack of a better understanding, some organized intelligence (God) created the scenario that "the hand of God" was baked into the creation of the universe. Preordained that the impossible circumstance came about that impossibly complex single cell life would come into being and that it would survive to reproduce. Evolutionists that scoff at this conundrum are as "faith based" in their infallible religion of science as any other dogmatic and rigid religion that they sneer at. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72758232 Canada 09/03/2016 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find your over use of "quotation" marks rather annoying. Evolution has too many holes. It's close but not perfect. Humans me were messed with genetically, by "who" or "what" is "for you" to "decide" Or not. You could have an "open mind" and remove stigmas from the question. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 620560 United States 09/03/2016 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find your over use of "quotation" marks rather annoying. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72758232 Evolution has too many holes. It's close but not perfect. Humans me were messed with genetically, by "who" or "what" is "for you" to "decide" Or not. You could have an "open mind" and remove stigmas from the question. My apologies - I'll try not to do that! Man....I can't see it anywhere, nor do I think anyone can show that evolution (tempted to use quotation marks) is, in any way shape or form, close to truth! If you would, please check the vid - I don't think the evidence presented can be refuted while maintaining intellectual integrity...but I'm open! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72916053 South Africa 09/03/2016 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Truth is absolute! Quoting: jdb People often, with great emotion, emphatically decry their "search" for Truth..."The Truth"! However, I think the "Truth of the matter" is that most are deliberately deluding themselves. Perhaps a more "truthful" expression of their search might sound something like this: "I'm attempting to define truth on my terms!" Irreducible complexity gives us irrefutable proof that evolution is, quite literally, an impossibility. So, if we have concrete evidence that evolution is impossible, why do many "truth seeking" people rage against "The Truth"? If one is truly seeking "Truth", why would the same one reject "Truth" when they find it? Because the "Truth of the matter" is that they are deluded...most often, "self-deluded"! They claim they want to know/find "The Truth" when in reality, they want to "define Truth", which is the epitome of self-worship! This issue is rooted in mans desire to be his own god! This is a long vid but it presents The Truth of Intelligent Causation! [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Because it's a long vid, may I respectfully ask a brother or sister to pin? kooweee waky waky evolution remains *figuratively* impossible as long as...///missing link |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 620560 United States 09/03/2016 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus Lord please put these people to death. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72867645 Those who can not see that evolution is part of creation just ONE fact...just ONE that supports the theory of evolution? On the other hand, you might spend a few minutes checking out irreducibly complex molecular machines and motors, along with digital information processing systems in cells. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72911598 United Kingdom 09/03/2016 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Flightless birds anyone? You there Flanders? [link to youtu.be (secure)] Ladies and Gentlemen, the doobie brothers: [link to youtu.be (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72911598 United Kingdom 09/03/2016 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus Lord please put these people to death. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72867645 Those who can not see that evolution is part of creation just ONE fact...just ONE that supports the theory of evolution? On the other hand, you might spend a few minutes checking out irreducibly complex molecular machines and motors, along with digital information processing systems in cells. Why are there flightless birds? |