Flat Earth believers

If you weren’t such a prick I think I would like you. Maybe I WILL ANYWAY.

why, you have some argument against it? or just make a random incoherent statement n leave..tell me how it affects your life in 1 single way, whether its flat or a globe? give me just 1 way it would change your life and how you live?

But you did that first, so it is kinda tit for tat. I really don't care to engage in it, but you're making a good deal of assumptions about people and that isn't very conducive to increased understanding, nor for making valid points.

As I have said on a few other threads, there are some problems with flat earth, but there are serious problems with a lot of the heliocentric things we are told to simply believe.

The curvature that would have to exist on a globe the size the earth is supposed to be isn't evident anywhere. That's 8 inches per mile squared, so over ten miles it's about 66 feet.

I saw your list in another post, and some of those are some problems with the flat earth theory. However, a planet crossing in front of the sun has no direct relation to flat or helio. And Erastothenes (or however you spell it) proof with sticks and shadows doesn't bear out either when subjected to the FE model of the sun orbiting the circumference on a central point.

And one issue that is apparently on your side of the topic is the southern stars rotating the opposite direction. That bothers me a lot. And I can't personally speak to it as I have never been, and have no plans to go, south of the equator. Unless of course there is something additional that isn't brought forward in the flat earth models as of yet. But yes, it is an issue.

Honestly, while there are some problems with the FE theory that aren't readily addressed, like the southern constellations you mentioned, the problems with the heliocentric theory and spherical earth are not addressed either. Like the lack of curvature, and the insane ascription of a 1/4000th of a degree of tilt being responsible for 100 degree temperature variances on the surface of the earth in the seasons.

I'd like to know why you think Russia (USSR at the time) and the US threw tons of nuclear missiles up in the late fifties and early sixties and called the projects Operation Fishbowl and Starfish? It's readily documented that they did. Why would they do this after Byrd's report? Just to spend a lot of money? And how do all these countries, warring over stupid things like oil, agree to leave the Antarctic entirely off limits when it is reported to be absolutely rich with natural resources? And what about NASA and their inability to provide any actual(non-photoshop) footage of the earth spinning? Do you just shrug that off?

And I still want to know why people get so terrifically hostile at the very mention of possibly not living on a globe?

That wasn't my reaction. I thought, "You're kidding, right? Seriously? People think that?" But it didn't make me angry. We've been lied to so much, this isn't really anything different to look into and make up your own mind about.

Turtles.
Geezuz, try to keep up.

This is the ENTIRE reason for this flat Earth noise.

But that exact argument is what the FE sites purport. With a possible exception being Eric Dubay who seems to be the Alex Jones of FE.

Why do you think it is an attempt to overthrow "legitimate" conspiracies?

The documents don't lie and they exist. There are a plethora of conspiracies at play. The same with a lot of the things used as FE proofs. There is evidence that specifically negates helio as we are taught. Mathematics doesn't negate actual observation.

Saying people are stupid isn't proof. That is opinion, and everyone has one, whether it is right or wrong. But differing opinions don't automatically convert to a) is smart and b) is stupid.

I mean simply that where we live and what we live upon isn't changed by equations that few people can actually do, and the ones who can do those equations have fudge factors built right in and very little visible proof for those factors. The dominant proof isn't in the math on a sheet of paper, which is not something that can actually fit true scientific method. Observable, and repeatable. The most simplistic and (should be) observable equation for the purported curvature of the sphere of earth doesn't bear out to observation. I've seen helio and FE both use refraction of light to substantiate their opinions on why this is the case.

Of course there are pollutants and vapors in the near atmosphere that prevent telescopes from seeing from LA to Mt Everest. And then helio supporters suggest mirages are the reason for people being able to see from Michigan to Chicago.

Both use refraction as their proof. And refraction is a real thing dependent upon humidity, wind, intensity of light and reflective surfaces intervening. And it cuts both ways in the discussion.

And I'm sorry, but I don't think the aliens reported above are intent on anything good for humanity. They'll "take care of us" in the country vernacular.

Earth is not flat.

Water is.

What dome?..

It frightens them. Anything that really challenges someone's most basic ideas of reality is scary to most people. They can't consider it just as an idea, an intellectual challenge. A possibility. they take a personal affront about it that I find ridiculous. I think the flat earth arguments are really interesting and far more coherent than I would have expected. Many of them actually make sense on a basic level and that's why they need to be answered. Just insulting people isn't an answer and it doesn't enlighten anyone. Personally, I'm willing to consider just about anything.

I want an unchained brain.

Oh really? It's a straight line?

I don't know what a flat brainer thinks what a straight line is - but I can assure you Australia - India - Uk - east coast of USA is not a straight line on a flat earth.

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Take a flight from Sydney to Santiago de Chile.

Takes 12 hours something on a globe and would take almost 30 hours on a flat earth.

The difference is: A flat brainer would be about 17 hours late to pick you up at the airport.

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The BIBLE is not a person - thus it was not an ad hominem.



I don't try to educate flat brainers, I just try to keep others from falling for the flat earth bullshit.

You know: You can educate the illiterate but you can't educate the ignorant.



And these things are?



And your point is?



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Take three people living on different latitudes, let's say 50° N, 25° N and 30° S, and let them measure the shadow of a 1 meter stick. Then calculate the distance to the sun on a flat earth. Surprise: You will get three different results.



How do you come up with that number?
Earth axis is tilted by 23°27'



Off topic.



Did you read the Antarctica treaties? You should do it, instead of parroting what others tell you.



And you have proof that this footage is photoshopped?



Terrifically hostile?
I don't think that it is "terrifically hostile" to expose people as idiots when they are idiots. (May be it's "terrifically hostile" for them to be exposed as idiots.)



Nice for you.



Yep, the old Greek lied to you, thousands of astronomers in the past four centuries lied to you, tens of thousands of amateur astronomers around the world lie to you.

Are you a little paranoid?

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It is no surprise that someone that would chose a MANY HEADED SEPANT for their user name would be a ball earth shill.

Ad hominem noted. - Anything substantial to contribute?

No? - Thought so.

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I am being sincere. I don't get all the anger on here about certain topics like FE, when people are supposed to be on a conspiracy site.

Actually, I don't get angry if anyone suggests the planet is any other shape than what I think it is. I'm interested in what others have to say, being alive on this plane of existence is supposed to be a learning experience and I don't pretend to have all the answers. So I try to understand all perspectives. Some are truly fascinating.

Those that have all the answers and shut down free thought...worry me.

Besides ME...FE really unhinges a lot of people. It's kind of scary.

Anyway, this thread is getting too hostile. Take care.

I do have one last thing to add...and it is hostile in nature, but I'm only human:

I wish the earth was flat...there are a lot of people I'd like to push right the hell off.

Do you normally go round speaking to people like this?

I have never in all the time I have been posting on GLP witnessed such abusive and aggressive comments towards any subject on here like I have for the pro Flat Earthers.

And for that reason alone it makes people wonder that there is a lot more to this theory than meets the eye.
A subject that meets with ridicule at the very mention, I am sure if you could get away with loping our heads off you would!
Why should you guys care about trying to stop people reading about this theory, people have got brains of their own , I'm sure they can make an informed judgment without you piping up with abusive language. CHIP.

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I JUST LOVE hearing how they the Flat Earth believers explain how we walk around on earth you get out of your bed then walk up the street and we are spinning at 1000 miles a hour we all know how that works.

square - not round ...

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I remember getting some dome!!!

I like this thought how many earths could there be all rolled in to one.

any one know then?

The bible became more real to me after considering the earth was flat. Why did the Vatican change the Sabbath to Sunday? Christmas is not the Messiah's true birthday but it's a celebration related to the winter solstice. They worship sol invictus and disguise it as Christianity.

Well as for government psyops, the same could be said for Mods on GLP, we as readers and posters do not that either.
Took a quick look at this guy Cass Sunstein , well I don't think I will be taking any advice from someone who advises Obama and Cameron for a start.

You said in your post that you have studied Astronomy since you were a kid, well as a mere women and lay person in this area, you explain to me why we have no pictures of Earth,
why we have no HD pictures of the Moon and dark side, why we have no pictures of inside the Earth/ Bottom of the Oceans.

Why is NASA so busy spending the American tax payers money on alleged trips to Mars and Venus, (all of the so called images are composites photoshops) when hey tell us nothing about the nearest satellite to Earth namely the Moon.

The lack of images of the Earth point to one or two scenarios;
A The Earth is a lot bigger than they are telling us.
B They are hiding something about this planet
C The Earth is flat.

I am not a Flat Earth believer but I have an open mind and I am investigating the theory so far, only a fool walks around with blinkered eyes.

A flat Earth actually makes much more sense.

Could you answer my questions then;

You said in your post that you have studied Astronomy since you were a kid, well as a mere women and lay person in this area, you explain to me why we have no pictures of Earth,
why we have no HD pictures of the Moon and dark side, why we have no pictures of inside the Earth/ Bottom of the Oceans.

"We all enjoy different views.. I might not accept some of them but still ...there is nothing wrong with them."





I disagree:

Reality check. Pardon my wandering rant, I don't know where this is going..



Truth Matters:

"Facts" like "truths" exist independently of our perception and are not open to debate. That's what makes them facts: they are the same for you Or me. or my kids or your kids.

The picture may not be complete (we may not have all the facts). But they are out there waiting to be discovered and catalogued.

I can believe I can breathe seawater with my lungs and survive more than a few minutes: but I cannot. FACT.

I can believe in dragons and fairies, magic and spells; but If I cannot produce one they do not exist. FACT.

I can deny gravity exists and jump off a tall building; I will be injured or killed. FACT.


My belief doesn't change the facts.


Denying physically verifiable facts is not just having a "different opinion" : Some ideas are provably wrong. (incorrect).

If nothing is wrong (incorrect). there can be no truth.

Truth is the basis for interaction in human society: If there is no "truth"; then every mans opinion is valid (true), what do I need any body else for? I can just carry around my own belief system in my own (little, personal) world. No one can challenge me.

Here's the mother of all conspiracy theories:
Ready?

Ergo "Truth" is the enemy,(and the higher authority) of the people who want to manipulate and control you to satisfy their own selfish desires.


Seek the Truth: not waffly new age bullshit (opinions).

Discern the truth through rigorous skepticism, testing and measurement..


Youtube is not "research" and is "PROOF" of nothing ;it is just two bozos in a trailer park with one dimensional thinking and an an internet connection.....


In the coming (so called) "new social order": The entire concept of "Truth" must (will) be made invalid to suit the state.


Beware those who deny truth exists.

"Broken the law...
( "Ms. lynch; if you go 65mph in a 55mph zone; have you broken the law?)"
"Boys will be girls and girls will be boys....
The earth is flat.
Gravity is a myth."
"A catastrophy is impending! Pack your cars; shave your kids and head for the hills... I'm not "Lying"; I'm "Role playing"(?)

Believing the incorrect to be correct no matter the proof; is called "being delusional"or "Insane".



Discuss amongst yourselves:



I Can't believe I entered a flat tard thread....

I agree with everything you have said, but see it much more directed at the helio viewpoint after actually DOING experiments and math, and trying to 100% disprove FE theory.

You said youtube is not research....Neither is NASA. They make animated films for you to watch just like Pixar.

Fix your quotes please - I neither have the ambition nor the time to repair your messed up quotes.

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