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tiger1  User ID: 19262565  United States09/07/2016 10:17 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Having trouble getting some of the links to work, can't even figure out why the guy was on a vent. Quoting: MarPep Usually a conscious patient is weaned off a vent. If you are conscious and lungs/strength too poor to breathe on your own after a few days, then you are gonna die a prolonged miserable death if you get to stay on the vent, and a shorter, less miserable death if taken off the vent. Weaning can involve things like constant positive airway pressure. 60 years ago during the polio epidemic, lots of kids were kept alive with "the iron-lung machines" until their paralysis resolved a bit or until they died. My mother-in-law, who was 59, was conscious, and on a vent. She had kidney failure and pneumonia. My 3 brothers-in-law overrode her and my husband's wishes for her to stay alive. So, the doctors pulled the vent. She begged to be put back on it, but there was nothing my husband could do for his Mom, as his 3 brothers overrode him. It took 7 1/2 hours for her to slowly suffocate. She was conscious the whole time, begging for her life. She had a very miserable death. Praise God from Whom all Blessings flow !!! |
| Isaiah 43:1-2 User ID: 72627513 United States09/07/2016 10:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57643140 Nazi NWO is gonna love you the ICU saves lives use to work in one I watched numerous walk out of the hospital from originally being in the ICU you been in a car accident? lose a lot of blood? if they do away with the ICU that means you die from just not being able to have blood , plasma products your bones checked out for fractures, head checked your an idiot nazis will love ya Like I said life support is appropriate sometimes. But modern ICU is equal to a Frankenstein freak show of torture to appease shallow family members who are too chicken shit to handle death. The definition of ICU is the treatment of individuals who are NOT SUPPOSED TO LIVE. Look it up please. If you enter ICU it means you have about a 2% chance of living. It's the last chance last ditch effort. But it does not mean keeping someone in an animated state. With modern technology we can keep just about anyone's heart pumping and lungs breathing. But they aren't alive if the EEG shows a flatline. Most people don't understand. And I worked in ICU for 15 years so I know what I'm talking about. I've had patients with dead brains who wouldn't survive 5 seconds without a respirator demanding we keep the machines going. And they only do it for themselves. There are no miracles in these cases. It ALWAYS ends in death. Usually with some emotionally infantile idiot slobbering all over the already dead corpse like a fuckin imbecile. It's an embarrassment to humanity. Bury the fuckin dead and move on. Please. In the case of a young guy in a car wreck then yeah maybe he will pull out of it. And we can recognize that ten miles out. But would you want to survive if you can't move your body? Imagine being 19 years old and you can only move your eyes for the next 50 years. Imagine having to have someone wipe your ass every day. Be fed through a tube. And 99.9999% of the time that fucktard family member who demanded you be saved abandons you two months later because she can't cope with wiping your ass. Then you become a prisoner in a body. I've seen it so many times. You're stuck suffering for decades in a broken meat suit because some selfish cunt fuck insisted you be "saved". This is why laws like the Op posted are in effect. Because people are ignorant stupid fucks. Let people die. Don't be a child. Do the spiritual homework and recognize that death is natural and it is OKAY. The 2% chance of survival is not true and if you worked in ICU, you should know that. Are you trying to convince people of something? Many people, including myself, have gone to ICU after surgery to be watched more closely than they would be on a regular patient care floor. You sound like a burnt out, pro-death person. You shouldn't be allowed to take care of the living. Ever hear of Joni Eareckson Tada? She was paralyzed from the neck down in her early 20's. She has worked for the Lord in spite of it. She has an organization for handicapped people called "Joni's Friends". She can paint beautifully with a paintbrush in between her teeth. She is also married since she was paralyzed and is an inspiration to millions. It's not what you have left that counts. It's what you do with what you have left that truly matters. Whatever. Yeah, whatever. You don't want to talk about possiblities. Only death. The only thing worse than an NP that is burnt out is an NP that is burnt out and won't admit it to him/herself. follower of Jesus |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72939346  Germany09/07/2016 10:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hospital wants him dead pull the plug Video Shows Patient Begging to Stay Alive Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72769334 link for the video [link to www.ebolaoutbreakmap.com] A hospital in texas wants to end a person life, but the patient does not want to die yet! Right now, an American hero is fighting for his right to make that decision from his hospital bed at Houston Methodist Hospital. David Christopher “Chris” Dunn is one of countless Texans who have been victimized by the draconian Texas Advance Directives Act (TADA), enacted by the Texas Legislature in 1999. The law – which benefits the medical lobby and jeopardizes medically vulnerable Texans – protects the financial and discriminatory interests of hospitals and physicians by abrogating the civil liberties of patients. When a hospital or physician determines for any reason that they disagree with a patient’s decision about his or her own medical treatment and invokes TADA, Texas law protects those healthcare providers as they remove life-sustaining treatment from the patient even when doing so means overriding the patient’s desire and right to live—and even when the treatment is benefitting the patient. The law does not require that the hospital inform the patient or family about the reasons or basis for the removal of treatment, which could include financial reasons, discrimination, or subjective quality of life value judgments about the life of the patient. Skip to 1:05, where she says "is that a yes" he nods and then the nurse starts laughing. Imagine the fear he's going through and someone laughing in your face like that when you're on your death bed. That's terrifying, the other terrifying thing is, she doesn't realize and the people who are standing right there do not realize what that man is perceiving when he hears her laugh. Satan, laughing right in his face and nobody noticed, I did though. The woman asked him if he wanted her/them (the people trying to help him)have some lawyers (the two men standing there) help him to stay alive. She seems to be laughing because she is happy that he said yes. No? |
| tiger1 User ID: 19262565 United States09/07/2016 10:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57643140 Nazi NWO is gonna love you the ICU saves lives use to work in one I watched numerous walk out of the hospital from originally being in the ICU you been in a car accident? lose a lot of blood? if they do away with the ICU that means you die from just not being able to have blood , plasma products your bones checked out for fractures, head checked your an idiot nazis will love ya Like I said life support is appropriate sometimes. But modern ICU is equal to a Frankenstein freak show of torture to appease shallow family members who are too chicken shit to handle death. The definition of ICU is the treatment of individuals who are NOT SUPPOSED TO LIVE. Look it up please. If you enter ICU it means you have about a 2% chance of living. It's the last chance last ditch effort. But it does not mean keeping someone in an animated state. With modern technology we can keep just about anyone's heart pumping and lungs breathing. But they aren't alive if the EEG shows a flatline. Most people don't understand. And I worked in ICU for 15 years so I know what I'm talking about. I've had patients with dead brains who wouldn't survive 5 seconds without a respirator demanding we keep the machines going. And they only do it for themselves. There are no miracles in these cases. It ALWAYS ends in death. Usually with some emotionally infantile idiot slobbering all over the already dead corpse like a fuckin imbecile. It's an embarrassment to humanity. Bury the fuckin dead and move on. Please. In the case of a young guy in a car wreck then yeah maybe he will pull out of it. And we can recognize that ten miles out. But would you want to survive if you can't move your body? Imagine being 19 years old and you can only move your eyes for the next 50 years. Imagine having to have someone wipe your ass every day. Be fed through a tube. And 99.9999% of the time that fucktard family member who demanded you be saved abandons you two months later because she can't cope with wiping your ass. Then you become a prisoner in a body. I've seen it so many times. You're stuck suffering for decades in a broken meat suit because some selfish cunt fuck insisted you be "saved". This is why laws like the Op posted are in effect. Because people are ignorant stupid fucks. Let people die. Don't be a child. Do the spiritual homework and recognize that death is natural and it is OKAY. My brother is scheduled for surgery to remove a brain tumor! The prognosis is very good with an anticipated stay in ICU for about 4 to 6 days before being moved to another hospital room for the rest of the recover (about 2 to 3 weeks). You do not know what your talking about! In his case ICU should be fine and that's good. But I see people all the time come out of similar surgeries just fine then slip into a coma. Not saying that's what will happen in your case but it does happen. Just had a lady have a lung removed two weeks ago. 62 years old. Smoked for 40+ years. She came out of surgery perfectly. Two days later she flipped a switch and went coma. No response. No consciousness. Some things can't be explained. But likely it was her char broiled stupid smoker remaining lung that could not support her O2 level even with 50 liters being pumped in her face 24/7. Fortunately her family was smart and said pull it. Pull the mask. Even though her brain waves showed nothing she was thrashing in pain. Her face was grimaced. That's when it's time to die. Unfortunately most idiot families are like keep her going there's still a chance! No there's no chance. Only in your dumb ass dreams. So we keep pumping them and collect the $10,000 per day ICU charge. Your call. You are an incarnation of evil. You have no business working with people who are sick. I am a former EMT. I SAVED LIVES. You think that lives are not worth living, in your opinion,so you advocate killing people. It is up to the patient as to what quality of life they want to live, not you. Praise God from Whom all Blessings flow !!! |
| BMKSY User ID: 72274748 United States09/07/2016 10:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | that is murder! no ifs ands or buts about it. G-d spoke all these words, to respond: "I am the Lord, your G-d, Who took you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall not have the gods of others in My presence. You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness which is in the heavens above, which is on the earth below, or which is in the water beneath the earth. You shall neither prostrate yourself before them nor worship them, for I, the Lord, your G-d, am a zealous G-d, Who visits the iniquity of the fathers upon the sons, upon the third and the fourth generation of those who hate Me, and perform loving kindness to thousands [of generations], to those who love Me and to those who keep My commandments." ~ Exodus 20:1-6 "Woe to those who say of the evil that it is good and of the good that it is evil; who present darkness as light and light as darkness, who present bitter as sweet and sweet as bitter." ~Isaiah 5:20 "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." ~ Eleanor Roosevelt [link to immigrationcounters.com] “America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.”~ Alexis de Tocqueville “Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.” ~ Alexis de Tocqueville I'm voting for Hillary!!! [link to youtu.be (secure)] ....... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24077179 United States09/07/2016 10:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus aint coming bitch. Stop praying for it and thinking that shit and the world is actually enjoyable. Kinda funny isnt it. Quoting: High Voltage He's already here shit stain.. The behind the scenes complexity regarding deities is well beyond anything you could deal with or comprehend. But providing you don't die within the next few years you shall see. And I'm sure you're full of bravado & insults now but if you survive to see then you will get on your knees more humbled than you could imagine. Stay strong believers. There are many Angels & alien factions that post here, some to help, some to confuse, some just to amuse themselves. There are also demons and arrogant humans full of bluster. Remember this when dealing with the myriad of replies and answers you read here. |
| hankie Everything User ID: 71719409 United States09/07/2016 10:39 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why would you want to stay alive? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72036384 1 thats playing god if your a christian and 2 seems like everyone who believes in god and the after life are afraid of death Malaise and forethought is murder and Christian would think that is murder. They meant to take his life that and not one bit of care about the man, they are murders in their heart. Murder is murder it matter not what you or the law says. Hitler made laws to kill people, but it was murder. Sorry I got a headache These are the times that tries men's and women's souls! May we come though it victorious! |
| Red Rider User ID: 72509483 United States09/07/2016 10:48 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hospital wants him dead pull the plug Video Shows Patient Begging to Stay Alive Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72769334 link for the video [link to www.ebolaoutbreakmap.com] A hospital in texas wants to end a person life, but the patient does not want to die yet! Right now, an American hero is fighting for his right to make that decision from his hospital bed at Houston Methodist Hospital. David Christopher “Chris” Dunn is one of countless Texans who have been victimized by the draconian Texas Advance Directives Act (TADA), enacted by the Texas Legislature in 1999. The law – which benefits the medical lobby and jeopardizes medically vulnerable Texans – protects the financial and discriminatory interests of hospitals and physicians by abrogating the civil liberties of patients. When a hospital or physician determines for any reason that they disagree with a patient’s decision about his or her own medical treatment and invokes TADA, Texas law protects those healthcare providers as they remove life-sustaining treatment from the patient even when doing so means overriding the patient’s desire and right to live—and even when the treatment is benefitting the patient. The law does not require that the hospital inform the patient or family about the reasons or basis for the removal of treatment, which could include financial reasons, discrimination, or subjective quality of life value judgments about the life of the patient. I live in Texas and have for 30 years and I did not know this. Last Edited by Tex the Neanderthal on 09/07/2016 10:49 PM |
| hankie Everything User ID: 71719409 United States09/07/2016 10:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What do you expect in the EVIL new world order? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42109917 [link to zombietime.com] Jesus Christ is Lord, repent and seek Him in the Holy Bible while it's called today. you are not suppose to play god and thats what hospitals do when its your time to die die Moronic logic from a mindless sack of cuntshit. Your life expectancy would be mid-30s if it were not for all the "playing god" such as antiseptics, water treatment, emergency responses and on and on. You fucking unthinking waste of oxygen. You do the same. Please PLEASE die promptly, and don't breed before doing so. Let me tell some people did not die from lack of antiseptics and water treatment, people had clean water and germs unless it was viruses were better for you to get immune to instead of having so many antiseptics they have made disease worse. People did not die a thirty back a long time ago, they live longer by far than now unless for war and things that they found out how to take care of. I can say they certainly did, you see I had ancestors who lived way pass a hundred years old, the food was very natural and they did not have so much medicine. They were not perfect people either, but they lived a lot longer than now and much better shape. All you have to do, is go and look and old tombstone to see who long people lived except for out breaks which still kills people now. See saying what you did is baseless. There was not as many disease like a large spread of cancer and other new disease that has been caused by researchers in the splicing of genes. It is not better today for peoples health. People have grown weaker. Their immune systems are weaker not better. Sorry I got a headache These are the times that tries men's and women's souls! May we come though it victorious! |
| MarPep User ID: 72933499 United States09/07/2016 10:54 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | TADA is more complicated than presented thus far.: The statute[edit] For the hospital personnel to take advantage of legal immunity from prosecution for this the following process must be followed: The family must be given written information concerning hospital policy on the ethics consultation process. The family must be given 48 hours' notice and be invited to participate in the ethics consultation process. Family members may consult their own medical specialists and legal advisors if they wish. The ethics consultation process must provide a written report to the family of the findings of the ethics review process. If the ethics consultation process fails to resolve the dispute, the hospital, working with the family, must try to arrange transfer to another provider physician and institution who are willing to give the treatment requested by the family and refused by the current treatment team. If after 10 days, no such provider can be found, the hospital and physician may unilaterally withhold or withdraw the therapy that has been determined to be futile. The party who disagrees may appeal to the relevant state court and ask the judge to grant an extension of time before treatment is withdrawn. This extension is to be granted only if the judge determines that there is a reasonable likelihood of finding a willing provider of the disputed treatment if more time is granted. If either the family does not seek an extension or the judge fails to grant one, futile treatment may be unilaterally withdrawn by the treatment team with immunity from civil or criminal prosecution. From TADA entry on Wiki _______________ They let me off with a warning and a couple of bullet holes. |
| Ms. Superduper User ID: 70651884 United States09/07/2016 10:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hospital wants him dead pull the plug Video Shows Patient Begging to Stay Alive Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72769334 link for the video [link to www.ebolaoutbreakmap.com] A hospital in texas wants to end a person life, but the patient does not want to die yet! Right now, an American hero is fighting for his right to make that decision from his hospital bed at Houston Methodist Hospital. David Christopher “Chris” Dunn is one of countless Texans who have been victimized by the draconian Texas Advance Directives Act (TADA), enacted by the Texas Legislature in 1999. The law – which benefits the medical lobby and jeopardizes medically vulnerable Texans – protects the financial and discriminatory interests of hospitals and physicians by abrogating the civil liberties of patients. When a hospital or physician determines for any reason that they disagree with a patient’s decision about his or her own medical treatment and invokes TADA, Texas law protects those healthcare providers as they remove life-sustaining treatment from the patient even when doing so means overriding the patient’s desire and right to live—and even when the treatment is benefitting the patient. The law does not require that the hospital inform the patient or family about the reasons or basis for the removal of treatment, which could include financial reasons, discrimination, or subjective quality of life value judgments about the life of the patient. I will watch the video in a minute. I don't understand that someone is well enough to say they want to live - not in a coma, etc. or life support? Greater is He who is in me than he who is in the world. Whatever feels good to your soul, do that. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72805766 United States09/07/2016 11:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hospital wants him dead pull the plug Video Shows Patient Begging to Stay Alive Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72769334 link for the video [link to www.ebolaoutbreakmap.com] A hospital in texas wants to end a person life, but the patient does not want to die yet! Right now, an American hero is fighting for his right to make that decision from his hospital bed at Houston Methodist Hospital. David Christopher “Chris” Dunn is one of countless Texans who have been victimized by the draconian Texas Advance Directives Act (TADA), enacted by the Texas Legislature in 1999. The law – which benefits the medical lobby and jeopardizes medically vulnerable Texans – protects the financial and discriminatory interests of hospitals and physicians by abrogating the civil liberties of patients. When a hospital or physician determines for any reason that they disagree with a patient’s decision about his or her own medical treatment and invokes TADA, Texas law protects those healthcare providers as they remove life-sustaining treatment from the patient even when doing so means overriding the patient’s desire and right to live—and even when the treatment is benefitting the patient. The law does not require that the hospital inform the patient or family about the reasons or basis for the removal of treatment, which could include financial reasons, discrimination, or subjective quality of life value judgments about the life of the patient. Skip to 1:05, where she says "is that a yes" he nods and then the nurse starts laughing. Imagine the fear he's going through and someone laughing in your face like that when you're on your death bed. That's terrifying, the other terrifying thing is, she doesn't realize and the people who are standing right there do not realize what that man is perceiving when he hears her laugh. Satan, laughing right in his face and nobody noticed, I did though. That might of been his Mother, that was a laugh of happiness, that he wanted to live. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69391854 United States09/07/2016 11:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But people on death row live for years after their sentence. Murderers on a life sentence are kept alive. It is all about money. Quoting: oopsbrokethatone IT is called the anti christ beast system you are living in it entirely everything is evil today from health '''care'' (cough cough) to education to courts the entire world , your world works with and for the devil you live in the end of days if you cant SEE it feel sorry for the stupid Jesus Christ is coming back, soon get ready Christianity is false. Grow up, deal with real world issues like an adult. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69391854 United States09/07/2016 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus aint coming bitch. Stop praying for it and thinking that shit and the world is actually enjoyable. Kinda funny isnt it. Quoting: High Voltage He's already here shit stain.. The behind the scenes complexity regarding deities is well beyond anything you could deal with or comprehend. But providing you don't die within the next few years you shall see. And I'm sure you're full of bravado & insults now but if you survive to see then you will get on your knees more humbled than you could imagine. Stay strong believers. There are many Angels & alien factions that post here, some to help, some to confuse, some just to amuse themselves. There are also demons and arrogant humans full of bluster. Remember this when dealing with the myriad of replies and answers you read here. Are you fucking retarded? By your own logic, you can't understand it either. So either you're incredibly stupid and brainwashed, or you hear voices, which is called schizophrenia. There are no angels and aliens that post here. If these beings are so beyond our understanding, why would they bother? Holy fucking shit. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72352578 United States09/07/2016 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus aint coming bitch. Stop praying for it and thinking that shit and the world is actually enjoyable. Kinda funny isnt it. Quoting: High Voltage He's already here shit stain.. The behind the scenes complexity regarding deities is well beyond anything you could deal with or comprehend. But providing you don't die within the next few years you shall see. And I'm sure you're full of bravado & insults now but if you survive to see then you will get on your knees more humbled than you could imagine. Stay strong believers. There are many Angels & alien factions that post here, some to help, some to confuse, some just to amuse themselves. There are also demons and arrogant humans full of bluster. Remember this when dealing with the myriad of replies and answers you read here. Are you fucking retarded? By your own logic, you can't understand it either. So either you're incredibly stupid and brainwashed, or you hear voices, which is called schizophrenia. There are no angels and aliens that post here. If these beings are so beyond our understanding, why would they bother? Holy fucking shit. Something you apparently don't understand - it's called "FREE WILL"! I pity you......... |
| georgeinnewyork (OP) User ID: 72769334 United States09/07/2016 11:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hospital wants him dead pull the plug Video Shows Patient Begging to Stay Alive Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72769334 link for the video [link to www.ebolaoutbreakmap.com] A hospital in texas wants to end a person life, but the patient does not want to die yet! Right now, an American hero is fighting for his right to make that decision from his hospital bed at Houston Methodist Hospital. David Christopher “Chris” Dunn is one of countless Texans who have been victimized by the draconian Texas Advance Directives Act (TADA), enacted by the Texas Legislature in 1999. The law – which benefits the medical lobby and jeopardizes medically vulnerable Texans – protects the financial and discriminatory interests of hospitals and physicians by abrogating the civil liberties of patients. When a hospital or physician determines for any reason that they disagree with a patient’s decision about his or her own medical treatment and invokes TADA, Texas law protects those healthcare providers as they remove life-sustaining treatment from the patient even when doing so means overriding the patient’s desire and right to live—and even when the treatment is benefitting the patient. The law does not require that the hospital inform the patient or family about the reasons or basis for the removal of treatment, which could include financial reasons, discrimination, or subjective quality of life value judgments about the life of the patient. this story is awful how can this happen in America this happened in Nazi Germany its happening again in America. I never heard about this! thanks for posting the link to the website this Ebola Outbreak Map sure has a lot of news the media hasn't covered before, I just donated $10 to them I am spending all night on there website too much news on there for one day to read I will have to go back tomorrow I had no idea so many refugees from ebola countries are living here in America next to my family |
| JaeBug User ID: 72936379 United States09/07/2016 11:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The antithesis of this (which is the majority) are selfish families who artificially keep a would-be dead person alive in a state of animated torture because they are afraid of how THEY THEMSELVES will feel emotionally if said person were to die. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72341265 I work in hospice and I see it all the time. Multiple times a week. When you see death on a very regular basis, you know when it is imminent. You know when someone SHOULD be dead already. The problem arises when immature families and people are like hang on sweetheart. Just hang on for another couple weeks even though you are suffering unimaginable pain and torture and you're trapped in a dead body like Johnny got his gun and there is nothing you can do about it. Just hang on so I don't have to accept the inevitable. It's a shame. I think we should do away with ICU all together and any sort of artificial life support because 9 times out of 10, ignorant people and families abuse it. They abuse it and TORTURE loved ones because they don't want to feel bad and they are too spiritually shallow to accept natural death. Usually religious people. Death is normal and natural. If a person is septic, can't breath on their own, and has multi-organ failure then it is time to let go. It is NOT time to fight, assholes. You have no idea the suffering you cause. You ignorantly and unwittingly cause unimaginable pain and suffering to your supposed loved ones because you ONLY think about yourself. If you actually cared for the person connected to the machines, you would show some mercy and let them slip away. There are times when life support is appropriate. Professionals know when that is. You do not. You THINK you do, but you do not. Sorry. When you see it day in and day out, you know the signs as well as you know backing out of your own driveway. When a body cannot live on its own, without machines, it is not murder when you remove the machines. It only means they were supposed to die sooner. Nothing more. I'm in Healthcare and I don't want my last dime to be spent trying to keep me alive when it is past my time. I will pay up for an easy fix that doesn't cost that much and doesn't hurt that bad but more than that, give me my morphine pump. Yes, nowadays people, for whom at one time there was no hope, can now be kept alive; but, at what cost? Money doesn't matter? How high does your health insurance have to go before you can't pay it? How do you like paying 8K a year for something you don't use? |
| thinking... User ID: 51911790 United States09/07/2016 11:40 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The antithesis of this (which is the majority) are selfish families who artificially keep a would-be dead person alive in a state of animated torture because they are afraid of how THEY THEMSELVES will feel emotionally if said person were to die. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72341265 I work in hospice and I see it all the time. Multiple times a week. When you see death on a very regular basis, you know when it is imminent. You know when someone SHOULD be dead already. The problem arises when immature families and people are like hang on sweetheart. Just hang on for another couple weeks even though you are suffering unimaginable pain and torture and you're trapped in a dead body like Johnny got his gun and there is nothing you can do about it. Just hang on so I don't have to accept the inevitable. It's a shame. I think we should do away with ICU all together and any sort of artificial life support because 9 times out of 10, ignorant people and families abuse it. They abuse it and TORTURE loved ones because they don't want to feel bad and they are too spiritually shallow to accept natural death. Usually religious people. Death is normal and natural. If a person is septic, can't breath on their own, and has multi-organ failure then it is time to let go. It is NOT time to fight, assholes. You have no idea the suffering you cause. You ignorantly and unwittingly cause unimaginable pain and suffering to your supposed loved ones because you ONLY think about yourself. If you actually cared for the person connected to the machines, you would show some mercy and let them slip away. There are times when life support is appropriate. Professionals know when that is. You do not. You THINK you do, but you do not. Sorry. When you see it day in and day out, you know the signs as well as you know backing out of your own driveway. When a body cannot live on its own, without machines, it is not murder when you remove the machines. It only means they were supposed to die sooner. Nothing more. I think it's time for you to find a new job. You're jaded and cold now. Move on. Please. If you saw what I saw for one day even before lunch time you would need treatment for PTSD. People like myself do the real work. You are light years from ever knowing. I challenge you soul to soul, volunteer in a Hospice center for even ONE DAY. I promise you, you will cave like a fuckin bitch. I promise it. All you shitheads talk so much smack and you have no earthly idea. No clue. It's humorous to read your arguments. You have just proven yourself to be a fucking imposter, liar and complete ASS!  Yep, the poster is lying. There is no treatment to keep people alive in hospice treatment, only palliative and keeping them comfortable. We've got an anti life libturd posing as a hospice worker, trying to push an agenda. So, I don't get what was wrong with the man in Texas. I only read the second article because I didn't want to watch some video of a guy begging for his life. The second article didn't say what was wrong with him, just that the family was grateful that the hospital provided life saving care right up to the end. WTF??? Did they provide care or pull the plug? WHAT WAS WRONG WITH HIM? In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined: With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world, And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor. Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator. “Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.” – Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project |
| SoulWinner User ID: 72304560 United States09/07/2016 11:42 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The antithesis of this (which is the majority) are selfish families who artificially keep a would-be dead person alive in a state of animated torture because they are afraid of how THEY THEMSELVES will feel emotionally if said person were to die. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72341265 I work in hospice and I see it all the time. Multiple times a week. When you see death on a very regular basis, you know when it is imminent. You know when someone SHOULD be dead already. The problem arises when immature families and people are like hang on sweetheart. Just hang on for another couple weeks even though you are suffering unimaginable pain and torture and you're trapped in a dead body like Johnny got his gun and there is nothing you can do about it. Just hang on so I don't have to accept the inevitable. It's a shame. I think we should do away with ICU all together and any sort of artificial life support because 9 times out of 10, ignorant people and families abuse it. They abuse it and TORTURE loved ones because they don't want to feel bad and they are too spiritually shallow to accept natural death. Usually religious people. Death is normal and natural. If a person is septic, can't breath on their own, and has multi-organ failure then it is time to let go. It is NOT time to fight, assholes. You have no idea the suffering you cause. You ignorantly and unwittingly cause unimaginable pain and suffering to your supposed loved ones because you ONLY think about yourself. If you actually cared for the person connected to the machines, you would show some mercy and let them slip away. There are times when life support is appropriate. Professionals know when that is. You do not. You THINK you do, but you do not. Sorry. When you see it day in and day out, you know the signs as well as you know backing out of your own driveway. When a body cannot live on its own, without machines, it is not murder when you remove the machines. It only means they were supposed to die sooner. Nothing more. Yet your employer continues the treatment because it yields $$$ and pays your salary. You sound like a statist when you say only "professionals" know. If true, then the providers are ethically responsible and should be held financially responsible for abusing the system. ...Loving souls, starving trolls... |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 72769334 United States09/08/2016 12:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a doc, this is evil. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69704308 I'd never take part in stopping treatment in someone who is conscious and wanting to continue treatment, no matter what an administrator commanded. Would you give their kids MMR shots to scramble their brains? if he was a west African refugee with ebola symptoms he would get free healthcare and the best care he is an American so he does not get the best care |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 57406025  Netherlands09/08/2016 12:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The antithesis of this (which is the majority) are selfish families who artificially keep a would-be dead person alive in a state of animated torture because they are afraid of how THEY THEMSELVES will feel emotionally if said person were to die. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72341265 I work in hospice and I see it all the time. Multiple times a week. When you see death on a very regular basis, you know when it is imminent. You know when someone SHOULD be dead already. The problem arises when immature families and people are like hang on sweetheart. Just hang on for another couple weeks even though you are suffering unimaginable pain and torture and you're trapped in a dead body like Johnny got his gun and there is nothing you can do about it. Just hang on so I don't have to accept the inevitable. It's a shame. I think we should do away with ICU all together and any sort of artificial life support because 9 times out of 10, ignorant people and families abuse it. They abuse it and TORTURE loved ones because they don't want to feel bad and they are too spiritually shallow to accept natural death. Usually religious people. Death is normal and natural. If a person is septic, can't breath on their own, and has multi-organ failure then it is time to let go. It is NOT time to fight, assholes. You have no idea the suffering you cause. You ignorantly and unwittingly cause unimaginable pain and suffering to your supposed loved ones because you ONLY think about yourself. If you actually cared for the person connected to the machines, you would show some mercy and let them slip away. There are times when life support is appropriate. Professionals know when that is. You do not. You THINK you do, but you do not. Sorry. When you see it day in and day out, you know the signs as well as you know backing out of your own driveway. When a body cannot live on its own, without machines, it is not murder when you remove the machines. It only means they were supposed to die sooner. Nothing more. [b}Thanks for bringing this up... I read "Johnny Got His Gun", for those who don't know it, it is a story of a man injured by a mortar or artillery shell. No arms, no legs, no face, no sight, no hearing, all gone. breathing through a hole in his throat and feeding through a tube. It is a story told from the inside of this mans mind. I recommend it. I personally was part of a story where a young man, 28 years old was critically injured in a car accident (not his fault). They could have saved him, but he would have been a vegetable the rest of his life. The family said their good-by's and pulled the plug. Sometimes the "high-road", is the gut-wrenching horror of killing someone. But it must be done. "Of Mice and Men" would be another example. ? |
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