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Now is the Winter of our discontent made glorious Summer by this SUN OF YORK...

Time for this "Son of York" to go the way of his ancestors ...NOW.

MABUS, ET AL, MUST DIE.

I think it bemuses me to advance this agenda as, having spoken of their ongoing agenda for several years now, to people whose EYES refuse to OPEN WIDE SHUT, I now appeal to the entrenched SLAVE class higher up in the food chain.

It's TIME.

Your FIFTH COLUMN debt is about to called in; your marker is being called up.

Oh, I know many of you are Jesus freaks. That makes sense, of course, considering that the Anti-Christ is no fool. I mean Satan ain't dressed up as the Devil if he expects to dance at his own party. And no, the devil doesn't wear Prada after all.

He wears Armani.

He wears a CRUCIFIX.

A ROSY CROSS, indeed!

NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL GOOD MEN (who are mostly women at this point!) TO COME TO THE AID OF THEIR COUNTRYMEN.

I suppose the request is akin to throwing yourselves on the live grenade that has just been tossed into the room, huh?

The SUICIDE ALTERS can HAVE a HAND TO PLAY.

Like that guy they just gave the Congressional Medal of Honor to ...posthumously. Yeah, "that guy."

Many of you whom are slaves to the POSSESSED, have at your hand the KEYS TO THE KINGDOM. No, not THAT kingdom. I know, it's just so alluring, all that "Jesus loves you" crap. But, your own secret education has informed you that the FIRST BEAST of REVELATION would be a prophet and the SECOND BEAST would be ...well, we know of whom I am speaking, ofcourse. No need to be explicit here. The Stupids slumber with their EYES WIDE OPEN afterall.

No need to wake them from the ABYSS of their own self-styled delusions. LET THEM EAT CAKE ...and be PREY to their false God.

But you, oh, you CHILDREN OF MORIAH, you are another story.

Most of you will ensure his success, but a few of you have had a second education; a PARALLEL LIAISON, yet secret INTERVENTION, now haven't you?

Time to wake up, Number 37.

Time to SEE THE LIGHT. The light of their oppression is about to get pretty bright; a blinding flash as a matter of fact.

Time to take out the bulb; PULL THE PLUG, throw yourselves on the awaiting grenade.

We'll call it ...MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Oh, I know, it's so much more fun to speak of your DNA and taunt people as to your "special status" amongst the "ordinary common folk" ...but just how long will you remain special if your beloved DNA is fried to a crisp when ROSEMARY's BABY has his DAY IN MEGIDDO?

And his chorts, et al.

You, who share their beds in your trauma-dazed and mindless trance of ESCAPE from their demonic grip on your souls...

...how about a swift SWITCH into one of those lovely streamlined killer-alters or the DELTA-SLEEPERS or how about THE GOATKEEPER?

Why not have an impromtu bloodletting?

I mean, really, imagine the power and the glory of it?

One slice across the throat whilst they sleep with their EYES WIDE SHUT; left to right, that is ...or if your prefer, RIGHT TO LEFT.

GREEN LIGHT GO.
DOWN BELOW.

Remember that old ditty?

Who says you have to PLAY CHESS with no pieces anymore?

Time for the PAWNS TO MOVE ALL BY THEMSELVES.

BLACK QUEEN's turn to RULE THE ROOST, eh?


The DARKSIDE has all the skills. Why not put them to use for the greater good? You know where you are going. There won't be any last minute reprieves you know. Perhaps, your redemption will be in their deaths, perhaps not.

MABUS NEEDS TO DIE ...and he needs to DIE NOW.

One of you can get him. One of you has ACCESS. The other one will be gone through a major heart attack, his ACHILLES HEEL must NOT HEAL ...lol. The Theta Killers are working on that now as I speak.(New Orleans had more than it's share of MAGI capable of rendering him HERE TODAY GONE TOMORROW.)

OH, that old BLACK MAJIC is coming DOWN THE PIKE.

I think we need a good old fashion SHEEP-DIPPING.

I mean, come on, a good number of you in here are still OPERATIONAL. Shit man, I would do it myself, but I have been "relieved of duty" a long time ago.

Couldn't trust my DARKER ALTARS, I guess. Afraid I would use on them what they taught me to use on others,I suppose. I imagine they were right, lol.

So, you see, it's up to you. You who remain close to ROME's BOSOM. You who are unaware of your special status; your BLOOD DIVINE.

TIME TO ANTE UP.

TIME TO KILL THE GOAT...

...AND THE KEY HENCHMEN SURROUNDING HIM.

You all know who they are; your masters of course.

Your beloveds.

YOUR SATANIC CAESAR and his MASTERS.

The puppet show is over.

The VEIL IS ABOUT TO DROP.

HUMPTY DUMPTY IS ABOUT TO FALL, by accident on purpose.

KILLING MABUS will be easy.

KILLING HIS SHADOW will be a little more diffi-CULT.

How about a game of CRAZY EIGHTS while you are waiting for YOUR WAKE UP CALL?

888
888
888

Crazy, huh?

I much prefer HEARTS. The game of kings.

Or, actually, it's the game of QUEENS.

The QUEEN OF HEARTS.

willsaveusall.

The QUEEN OF HEARTS

shestandssotall.

The QUEEN OF HEARTS.

herclarioncall.



The QUEEN OF HEARTS, she ate some tarts

All on a SUMMER's day.

IN the middle of WINTER...

IMAGINE THAT?!


OS TI EKAM.



ADJURE TE SPIRITUS NEQUISSIME PER DEUM OMNIPOTENTEM.

AMEN

AMUN

ATEN

RA.




Fare WELL...



...and Good Luck!



(You'll need it ...lol)


-OSR
"I should have been French."

-OSR
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Expect a call from the FBI some time to discuss things.....
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OP:


YOU DO ramble on a bit don't you?

I bet when you talk out loud, you love the sound of your voice.
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OP, take your fucking meds, fer chris' sake!
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Now is the Winter of our discontent made glorious Summer by this SUN OF YORK...

Time for this "Son of York" to go the way of his ancestors ...NOW.

MABUS, ET AL, MUST DIE.

I think it bemuses me to advance this agenda as, having spoken of their ongoing agenda for several years now, to people whose EYES refuse to OPEN WIDE SHUT, I now appeal to the entrenched SLAVE class higher up in the food chain.

It's TIME.

Your FIFTH COLUMN debt is about to called in; your marker is being called up.

Oh, I know many of your are Jesus freaks. That makes sense, of course, considering that the Anti-Christ is no fool. I mean Satan ain't dressed up as the Devil if he expects to dance at his own party. And no, the devil doesn't wear Prada after all.

He wears Armani.

He wears a CRUCIFIX.

A ROSY CROSS, indeed!

NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL GOOD MEN (who are mostly women at this point!) TO COME TO THE AID OF THEIR COUNTRYMEN.

I suppose the request is akin to throwing yourselves on the live grenade that has just been tossed into the room, huh?

The SUICIDE ALTERS can HAVE a HAND TO PLAY.

Like that guy they just gave the Congressional Medal of Honor to ...posthumously. Yeah, "that guy."

Many of you whom are slaves to the POSSESSED, have at your hand the KEYS TO THE KINGDOM. No, not THAT kingdom. I know, it's just so alluring, all that "Jesus loves you" crap. But, your own secret education has informed you that the FIRST BEAST of REVELATION would be a prophet and the SECOND BEAST would be ...well, we know of whom I am speaking, ofcourse. No need to be explicit here. The Stupids slumber with their EYES WIDE OPEN afterall.

No need to wake them from the ABYSS of their own self-styled delusions. LET THEM EAT CAKE ...and be PREY to their false God.

But you, oh, you CHILD OF MORIAH, you are another story.

Most of you will ensure his success, but a few of you have had a second education; a PARALLEL LIAISON, yet secret INTERVENTION, now haven't you?

Time to wake up, number 37.

Time to SEE THE LIGHT. The light of their oppression is about to get pretty bright; a blinding flash as a matter of fact.

Time to take out the bulb; PULL THE PLUG, throw yourselves on the awaiting grenade.

We'll call it ...MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Oh, I know, it's so much more fun to speak of your DNA and taunt people as to your "special status" amongst the "ordinary common folk" ...but just how long will you remain special if your beloved DNA is fried to a crisp when ROSEMARY's BABY has his DAY IN MEGIDDO?

And his chorts, et al.

You, who share their beds in your trauma-dazed and mindless trance of ESCAPE from their demonic grip on your souls...

...how about a swift SWITCH into one of those lovely streamlined killer-alters or the DELTA-SLEEPERS or how about the GOATKEEPER?

Why not have an impromtu bloodletting?

I mean, really, imagine the power and the glory of it?

One slice across the throat whilst they sleep with their EYES WIDE SHUT; left to right, that is ...or if your prefer, RIGHT TO LEFT.

GREEN LIGHT GO.
DOWN BELOW.

Remember that old ditty?

Who says you have to PLAY CHESS with no pieces anymore?

Time for the PAWNS TO MOVE ALL BY THEMSELVES.

BLACK QUEEN's turn to RULE THE ROOST, eh?


The DARKSIDE has all the skills. Why not put them to use for the greater good? You know where you are going. There won't be any last minute reprieves you know. Perhaps, your redemption will be in their deaths, perhaps not.

MABUS NEEDS TO DIE ...and he needs to DIE NOW.

One of you can get him. One of you has ACCESS. The other one will be gone through a major heart attack, his ACHILLES HEEL must NOT HEAL ...lol. The Theta Killers are working on that now as I speak.(New Orleans had more than it's share of MAGI capable of rendering him HERE TODAY GONE TOMORROW.)

OH, that old BLACK MAJIC is coming DOWN THE PIKE.

I think we need a good old fashion SHEEP-DIPPING.

I mean, come on, a good number of you in here are still OPERATIONAL. Shit man, I would do it myself, but I have been "relieved of duty" a long time ago.

Couldn't trust my DARKER ALTARS, I guess. Afraid I would use on them what they taught me to use on others,I suppose. I imagine they were right, lol.

So, you see, it's up to you. You who remain close to ROME's BOSOM. You who are unaware of your special status; your BLOOD DIVINE.

TIME TO ANTE UP.

TIME TO KILL THE GOAT...

...AND THE KEY HENCHMEN SURROUNDING HIM.

You all know who they are; your masters of course.

Your beloveds.

YOUR SATANIC CAESAR and his MASTERS.

The puppet show is over.

The VEIL IS ABOUT TO DROP.

HUMPTY DUMPTY IS ABOUT TO FALL, by accident on purpose.

KILLING MABUS will be easy.

KILLING HIS SHADOW will be a little more diffi-CULT.

How about a game of CRAZY EIGHTS while you are waiting for YOUR WAKE UP CALL?

888
888
888

Crazy, huh?

I much prefer HEARTS. The game of kings.

Or, actually, it's the game of QUEENS.

The QUEEN OF HEARTS.

willsaveusall.

The QUEEN OF HEARTS

shestandssotall.

The QUEEN OF HEARTS.

herclarioncall.



The QUEEN OF HEARTS, she ate some tarts

All on a SUMMER's day.

In the middle of winter...

IMAGINE THAT?!


OS TI EKAM.



ADJURE TE SPIRITUS NEQUISSIME PER DEUM OMNIPOTENTEM.

AMEN

AMUN

ATEN

RA.




Fare WELL...



...and Good Luck!



(You'll need it ...lol)


-OSR
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only a gambler needs luck!
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WOW OSR! Nicely crafted poetic composition full of potential trigger words! I know you know that Godlike peeps are under the will and commands of God i.e. "thou shall not kill" (even Mabus! lol)

So is this your way of proving that even the MK ULTRA BLACK OPS guys have no power over GODLIKE peeps? (even Finnbar! lol)

Good job if it is!

hiding
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WOW OSR! Nicely crafted poetic composition full of potential trigger words! I know you know that Godlike peeps are under the will and commands of God i.e. "thou shall not kill" (even Mabus! lol)

So is this your way of proving that even the MK ULTRA BLACK OPS guys have no power over GODLIKE peeps? (even Finnbar! lol)

Good job if it is!

hiding
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ADJURE TE SPIRITUS NEQUISSIME PER DEUM OMNIPOTENTEM.

MABUS IS A DEADMAN-WALKING.

HE WILL NOT FINISH HIS TERM OF HIS REIGN OF TERROR, AND NEITHER WILL HIS GOD.

THERE IS NOTHING GODLIKE ABOUT GLP; IT'S JUST ANOTHER CULT WATERING-HOLE (Okay, so you have better wallpaper!)

NO MORE, NO LESS.

AS ABOVE, SO BELOW.

EENI, MEENIE, MINEE, MO...

FI, FY, FO, FUM,

I SMELL THE BLOOD OF AN INDUMEAN
(I bet that will be over your head ...lol)

ROME BURNS

CALIGULA FIDDLES

SPOCK RAISES AN EYE BROW



I SMELL THE VAPORS OF ROTTING EGGS, IS HE ON TV AGAIN GIVING ANOTHER VERSION OF YOUR APOCALYIC WET DREAM?



lol



-OSR
"I should have been French."

-OSR
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BREAKING NEWS!!!


AP WIRE

Dateline 1/12/07

Washington D.C.


Early this morning odd sounding high-pitched screams could be heard coming from the Oval Office.

"I'm melting!" I'm melting!"

Were the all words that were understandable amidst the cries for "mommie."

Secret Service agents rushed in, only to find some still-smoking wilted, limp, shrunken clothes lying on the floor.

Several Secret Service agents passed out from what was later described as, quote; "the sulphuric stench of the vapors of rotting eggs." Unquote.


MABUS was nowhere to be found.


- Reporting for UBS NEWS;
Howard Beale

(End Article)




-OSR
"I should have been French."

-OSR
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<< MABUS was nowhere to be found.>>


-OSR
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Hey that's a little OVER-KILL for an exorcism dontcha think?

Good enough to fulfill a quatrain though, I guess.

lol
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I see it also,as something very soon, shutting it down-but what comes first after-is a worse scenario for a while...trickery of the highest skill



but is mabus male or is ma bus female???


3 at the helm just like the 'holy' group

3 vs 3


9 sacrificing the eight balls???


hmmmmm lots of trigger words for the lunacy to be embraced eh?



what will be will be




spock
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<< MABUS was nowhere to be found.>>


-OSR


Hey that's a little OVER-KILL for an exorcism dontcha think?

Good enough to fulfill a quatrain though, I guess.

lol
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Sorry, OSR is OFF TO SEE THE WIZARD.

(Howard Beale reported the story, but he says he's sick and tired and he's not taking it anymore.)


ET EN ARCADIA ERGO.


(LEGGO MY ERGO.)


By the way, what time does that quatrain arrive at the station? Perhaps I can catch a ride to OZ ...and unmask the little bastard myself.

He's way overdo for a spanking. Make that an ass-whippin' ...Texas-style.

-OSR's ALTAR-ERGO
"I should have been French."

-OSR
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I see it also,as something very soon, shutting it down-but what comes first after-is a worse scenario for a while...trickery of the highest skill



but is mabus male or is ma bus female???


3 at the helm just like the 'holy' group

3 vs 3


9 sacrificing the eight balls???


hmmmmm lots of trigger words for the lunacy to be embraced eh?



what will be will be




spock
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Que Sera Sera.

He's dead, Jim.

Stick a fork in him, he's done.



Make it a ptichfork; goes better with the outfit.



-OSR's Doppleganger
"I should have been French."

-OSR
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Whatya say now , Suzano ?
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When Mabus dies the Comet will run,WOW how true is this now.The timing is amazing.
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Quatrain 2.62

Mabus will soon die, then will come
Of people and beasts a horrible destruction:
Then all too suddenly the vengeance is revealed,
A hundred, hand, thirst, hunger, when the comet shall run


Mabus is dead and remains dead today.
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whoa


your fuggin weird OP

popcorn
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OSR wrote (among other things):
MABUS IS A DEADMAN-WALKING.

HE WILL NOT FINISH HIS TERM OF HIS REIGN OF TERROR, AND NEITHER WILL HIS GOD.
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There is a prophecy that anyone who is elected in a year ending with zeros, dies in office.

Then, sometime back, the Bible Codes website said that Bush would be smothered with a pillow.

Claycat had a vision about a blind-folded Bush with a wimpy Cheney standing beside him.

Is Bush MABUS?
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Gog and Magog


The tradition of Gog and Magog begins in the Bible with the reference to Magog, son of Japheth, in the Book of Genesis and continues in cryptic prophecies in the Book of Ezekiel, which are echoed in the Book of Revelation. The ambiguity of this tradition cannot be overstated. Even the nature of these entities differs greatly between sources. They are variously presented as men, supernatural beings (giants or demons), national groups, or lands. Gog and Magog appear in the Qur'an and occur widely in mythology and folklore.

The Biblical Gog and Magog

Magog in Genesis

The first occurrence of "Magog" in the Bible is in the "Table of Nations" in Genesis 10, where Magog is the eponymous ancestor of a people or nation (without any accompanying apocalyptic symbolism, or mention of Gog, although, as mentioned above, "Magog" may mean "the land of Gog"):

2. The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras
3. The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz, Riphath, and Togarmah.

(Genesis 10:2-3)

In this occurrence Magog is clearly the name of a person, although in the anthropology proposed by Genesis, ethnic groups and nations are founded by, and usually named after, their founding ancestors. The names of Gomer, Tubal, Meshech, and Togarmah also occur in Ezekiel.

Gog and Magog in Ezekiel

The earliest known reference to "Gog" and "Magog" together is also in the Bible:

2."Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
3. And you shall say; So said the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, Gog, the prince, the head of Meshech and Tubal.

(Ezekiel 38:2-3 Judaica Press)

Chapter 38 continues addressing Gog:

10. Thus says the Lord "On that day it shall come to pass that thoughts will arise in your mind and you will make an evil plan:
11. "You will say, "I will go against a land of unwalled villages(FRZ)(FRZ:mostly refers to Iraq as Frz in the book of Ester); ...""
12. "To take plunder and booty..."

(Ezekiel 38:10-12)

Here it is not clear (in the Hebrew) whether Gog or Magog are people or places, and different identifications have been made. These are discussed after the text itself. The Interlinear Bible (Hebrew - Greek - English) states 2. as: "Son of man, set your face toward Gog, the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal; and prophesy concerning him." (Jay P. green, Sr., 1986)

Ezekiel (38 and 39) says that Gog will be defeated. Addressing Gog and Magog, God describes how the attacks will be repelled (Ezekiel 39:1-16). The army of Gog and Magog primarily includes people from the nations of Gog, Gomer, Tubal, Meshech, and the house of Togarmah from the North, the latter of which are mentioned as descendants of Japheth in Genesis (q.v.).

They will be joined by Persians from the East, Phut from the West, Kushites from the South, and others. We are told that Gog dwelt north of Israel, but there is little else to identify Gog in the passage. Gog and his allies are to attack "a land of unwalled villages" to collect booty, but before attacking Israel itself will be reduced to a "sixth" of their size (Ezekiel 39:2). Their reduced army will be destroyed in Israel, their dead buried in the Valley of Hamon-Gog for all to see and comment on (39:15-17).

God describes the aftermath of the battle later in the same chapter, addressing "thou, son of Man":

17. ...,thus says the Lord, "Speak to every bird and every beast of the field, "Assemble yourselves and come,...""
18. " You shall eat the flesh of the mighty, drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams and lambs, of goats and bulls, all them fatlings of Bashan"

(Ezekiel 39:17-18 KJV)

Gog and Magog in the Book of Revelation

Gog and Magog are mentioned again in Revelation 20:7-8:

7. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
8. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. (KJV)

Here, Gog and Magog are identified as the nations in the four corners of the earth, and their attack is represented as an eschatological crisis after the Millennium, to be vanquished by divine intervention. The language of Gog and Magog's destruction is very similar to that of their mention in Ezekiel.

Identifications

Ezekiel's identification of Gog and Magog is confusing. Verse 38:2 could identify Gog or Magog as a person, the other as a land. The Greek version of that verse identifies Gog as a land, Magog as a person. In both versions, however, verse 38:3 unambiguously identifies Gog as a person, the prince of Meshech and Tubal. The King James translation is given above; it follows the interpretation of verse 38:3.

In terms of extra-biblical Jewish tradition, Gog the 'prince' has been explained being one of the 70 national angels — of whom all except one, Michael (the guardian angel of Israel), are fallen angels. According to this interpretation, Gog is the angel of a nation called Magog (literally meaning "of Gog" or "from Gog"). Gog in this view represents an apocalyptic coalition of nations arrayed against Israel. Some Biblical scholars believe that Gyges (Greek &#915;&#965;&#947;&#949;&#962;), king of Lydia (687 BC-652 BC), is meant; in Assyrian letters, Gyges appears as Gu-gu; in which case Magog might be his territory in Anatolia. Josephus identifies Magog with the Scythians, but this name seems to have been used generically in antiquity for a number of peoples north of the Black Sea.

According to a modern tradition of dispensationalist Biblical hermeneutics, Gog and Magog are supposed to represent Russia. The Scofield Reference Bible's notes to Ezekiel claim that "Meshech" is a Hebrew form of Moscow, and that "Tubal" represents the Siberian capital Tobolsk. During the Cold War this identification led Hal Lindsey to claim that the Soviet Union would play a major role in the End Times. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union and the retreat of Russia from the role of a military superpower, some commentators have attempted to cast Iraq or some other country in the role of Gog.

Beyond the Biblical tradition

Beyond the Biblical tradition, Gog is portrayed as "the country at the four corners of the world". This is commonly identified as Central Eurasia. Legends present in countries throughout Eastern Europe and the Middle East mention that massive copper, iron, or brass gates were built on its southern borders with the Persian Empire. This would support the identification of these "four corners of the world" with Central Eurasia, the westernmost of these gates, according to some variants of the legend, having been built at Derbent. In the Alexander Romance and elsewhere, these gates are called the "Gates of Alexander" or "Alexander's Wall", after their supposed builder Alexander the Great.

In the 7th century Apocalypse of Pseudo-Methodius it is the messianic Last Roman Emperor who fights and destroys Gog and Magog with divine aid. In his history The Origin and Deeds of the Goths from 551, the Goth writer Jordanes identified Gog with the Goths [1]. According to Jordanes the Goths came first from Gutia (the island of Scandia - current day Scananavia), moved south to the marshes above the black sea (contemporaneous with Ezekiel) then migrated west and populated Europe all the way to Spain (Western Goths). Also The 11th century historian Adam of Bremen considered Ezekiel's prophecy to have been fulfilled on the Swedes.[1]

Some legends of Hungarians and certain Celtic peoples say they are descendants of Magog. Poseidonius, for example, mentions that the Cimmerians, considered to be the original ancestors in Celtic traditions, were derived from gug and guas. In Irish tradition, Magog was supposed to have had a grandchild called Heber, who spread throughout the Mediterranean. The Greeks called such people Iberes mentioning that they were refugees from Atlantis who had come to settle the Caucasus. The result is that Gog — the land of the four corners of the world — has also been identified as lands somewhere in the oceans surrounding the Old World, i.e., the New World (See also the "Gog and Magog in England" section of this article).

The Kalki Purana, one of the minor puranas in Hinduism, mentions a similar Koka and Vikoka who will fight against Kalki. They serve as generals under the apocalypse demon Kali, not to be confused with the goddess of the same name. Modern scholarship dates the purana prior to the 16th century AD.


Gog and Magog in Islam

In the Qur'an, in Surat al-Kahf (83-98), it is written that Dhul-Qarnayn (the one with two horns) — who because of ambiguity has been conjectured to refer to various historical figures including Cyrus the Great, Darius the Great and Alexander the Great — travelled in three directions, meeting at the third time villagers who complained about Gog and Magog.

First, to where the suns rise (to the east); second, to where the suns set (to the west); and a third direction, which is not specified in the Qur'an, between two mountain chains where a folk were living on the foothill, and to the north dwelt Gog and Magog (sometimes transliterated from Arabic as Ya-juj/Ya-jewj and Ma-juj/Ma-jewj), who according to Quran "have caused corruption on earth".[2] They are believed to have continuously attacked the southern people, and been tribes of destructive nature.

When Dhul-Qarnayn arrived at the third location, that folk complained about the tribes and offered Dhul-Qarnayn a tribute to build a wall between them so that Gog and Magog would not bother them anymore. Believing his reward would be from God, Dhul-Qarnayn refused the tribute but agreed to build the wall. He constructed the wall out of iron and then poured melted copper over it, making it difficult to climb or dig under. This stopped Gog and Magog from threatening the people for a certain time. There is an opinion that this wall might be in the Caucasus Mountains at Dariel Pass. According to the Islamic scholar, Mufti Ebrahim Desai, they are situated in a land of ice.

A Hadith states that, the Gog and Magog attempt to break through the iron wall every day, but when night falls and they are near escape, they stop and say to each other "we will finish it tomorrow". The next day when they wake up, they see that all the work they had done had become undone while they slept. This scenario continues every day until the day they say "we will finish tomorrow, in sha allah" (in sha allah meaning by the will of God) before they sleep, and thus when they awaken, they will finish their work and break out.[citation needed]

There are also mentioned in the sayings of the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad, as the sign of the nearness of the Doomsday, and that they will destroy the civilizations (The Books of Sahih Al Bukhari and Sahih Al Muslim).

"But when Gog and Magog are let loose and they rush headlong down every height (or advantage)" (Quran 21:97)

Candidates for Gog and Magog Prophecy of Quran

Gog and Magog as Ashkenazi Jews:

Islamic scholar Ibn Kathir, in his historical work, Al-Bidayah wa'l-Nihayah (The Beginning and the End) has located the tribes of Gog and Magog between the Black Sea and the Caspian, arguing that they refer to the Khazars. Khazars founded an independent Kingdom in the Northern Caucasus along the Caspian Sea, in the 7th century CE. At some point in the last decades of the 8th century or the early 9th century, the Khazar royalty and nobility converted to Judaism, and the general population followed. Over time Judaism became the state religion of Khazar Kingdom.[3] Musim scholars and historians, such as Ahmad Thomson, have alleged a Khazar ancestry of Ashkenazi Jews. Proponents of this theory claim that the verse 21:97 of the Quran refers to migration of Ashkenazim from Europe, which eventually led to creation of Israel.[4] Jewish scholars have rejected Khazar ancestory of Ashkenazim.[5]

Gog and Magog as Mongolian Invaders:

Some Muslim Scholars including Abul kalam Azad, Sayed Moududi and Tibri believe that they were Mongols, who were continually attacking the Arabian and Indian civilisations, and finally destroyed the Muslim dynasty of Baghdad and Khwarzam (central Asia).[citation needed]

Ahmadiyya view of Gog and Magog

To date the most compelling explanation about Gog and Magog has been presented by the Ahmadiyya movement in Islam.Their founder Mirza Ghulam Ahmad linked the Yajooj and Majooj mentioned in Quran to European nations. The son of Ahmad and his second successor, Mirza Basheerud Deen Mahmood in his famous Tafseer e Kabeerhas explained in great detail the history of Gog and Magog in context with revelations of Bible and Quran and in the light of Hadith, the prophetic sayings. From his commentary of Surah Al-Kahaf (Urdu) Englishit is clear that Ahmadiyya interpretation of Gog and Magog points towards the European nations. According to this interpretation, Gog and Magog were descendents of Noah who populated eastern and western Europe long time ago. Among many arguments in favour of this view, the presence of the statues of Gog and Magog at London Guildhall is cited as a proof.

Gog and Magog in Marco Polo

In The Travels dictated by Marco Polo, Gog and Magog are regions of Tenduk, a province belonging to Prester John, and governed by one George, fourth in descent from the original John. According to this account Gog (locally Ung) is inhabited by a tribe called the Gog, whilst Magog (or Mongul) is inhabited by Tatars. This may imply that the author had heard of the Tartars of Mongolia and was multiplying their attributes and territories, as well as mixing in the Prester John legend.

Gog and Magog in England

Gog and Magog lifting Paddy out of the mire

Giants

Given this somewhat frightening Biblical imagery, it is somewhat odd that images of Gog and Magog depicted as giants are carried in a traditional procession in the Lord Mayor's Show by the Lord Mayor of the City of London. According to the Lord Mayor, the giants Gog and Magog are traditional guardians of the City of London, and images of them have been carried in the Lord Mayor's Show since the days of King Henry V. The Lord Mayor's procession takes place each year on the second Saturday of November.

The Lord Mayor's account of Gog and Magog says that the Roman Emperor Diocletian had thirty-three wicked daughters. He found thirty three husbands for them to curb their wicked ways; they chafed at this, and under the leadership of the eldest sister, Alba, they murdered them. For this crime, they were set adrift at sea; they were washed ashore on a windswept island, which after Alba was called Albion. Here they coupled with demons, and gave birth to a race of giants, among whose descendants were Gog and Magog.

An even older British connection to Gog and Magog appears in Geoffrey of Monmouth's influential 12th century Historia Regum Britanniae, which states that Gogmagog was a giant slain by the eponymous Cornish hero Corin or Corineus. The tale figures in the body of unlikely lore that has Britain settled by the Trojan soldier Brutus and other fleeing heroes from the Trojan War. Corineus is supposed to have slain the giant by throwing him into the sea near Plymouth. Wace, Layamon, and other chroniclers retell the story, which was picked up by later poets and romanciers. John Milton's History of Britain gives this version:

The Island, not yet Britain, but Albion, was in a manner desert and inhospitable, kept only by a remnant of Giants, whose excessive Force and Tyrannie had consumed the rest. Them Brutus destroies, and to his people divides the land, which, with some reference to his own name, he thenceforth calls Britain. To Corineus, Cornwall, as now we call it, fell by lot; the rather by him lik't, for that the hugest Giants in Rocks and Caves were said to lurk still there; which kind of Monsters to deal with was his old exercise.

And heer, with leave bespok'n to recite a grand fable, though dignify'd by our best Poets: While Brutus, on a certain Festival day, solemnly kept on that shore where he first landed (Totnes), was with the People in great jollity and mirth, a crew of these savages, breaking in upon them, began on the sudden another sort of Game than at such a meeting was expected. But at length by many hands overcome, Goemagog, the hugest, in hight twelve cubits, is reserved alive; that with him Corineus, who desired nothing more, might try his strength, whom in a Wrestle the Giant catching aloft, with a terrible hugg broke three of his Ribs: Nevertheless Corineus, enraged, heaving him up by main force, and on his shoulders bearing him to the next high rock, threw him hedlong all shatter'd into the sea, and left his name on the cliff, called ever since Langoemagog, which is to say, the Giant's Leap.

Michael Drayton's Polyolbion preserves the tale as well:

Amongst the ragged Cleeves those monstrous giants sought:
Who (of their dreadful kind) t'appal the Trojans brought
Great Gogmagog, an oake that by the roots could teare;
So mighty were (that time) the men who lived there:
But, for the use of armes he did not understand
(Except some rock or tree, that coming next to land,
He raised out of the earth to execute his rage),
He challenge makes for strength, and offereth there his gage,
Which Corin taketh up, to answer by and by,
Upon this sonne of earth his utmost power to try.

Gog Magog Hills

The Gog Magog Hills are about three miles south of Cambridge, said to be the metamorphosis of the giant after being rejected by the nymph Granta (i.e. the River Cam). The dowser T.C. Lethbridge claimed to have discovered a group of three hidden chalk carvings in the Gogmagog Hills. This alleged discovery is described at length in his book Gogmagog: The Buried Gods [2], in which Lethbridge uses his discoveries to extrapolate a primal deity named 'Gog' and his consort, 'Ma-Gog', which he believed represented the Sun and Moon. Although his discovery of the chalk figures in the Gogmagog Hills has been dogged by controversy, there are similarities between the name and nature of the purported 'Gog' and the Irish deity Ogma, or the Gaulish Ogmios.

Gog and Magog in Ireland

Works of Irish mythology, including the Lebor Gabála Érenn (the Book of Invasions), expand on the Genesis account of Magog as the son of Japheth and make him the ancestor to the Irish. His three sons were Baath, Jobhath, and Fathochta. Magog is regarded as the father of the Irish race, and the progenitor of the Scythians, as well as of numerous other races across Europe and Central Asia.

Partholon, leader of the first group to colonize Ireland after the Deluge, was a descendant of Magog. The Milesians, or people of the 5th invasion of Ireland, were also descendants of Magog.



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MABUS IS THEIR "MESSIAH."




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Well, rodent....gone off your meds again, I see.
No worries..."we'll" alien7 have someone come by whilst you're napping and give you an injection. I promise...you'll never feel a thing, except better when you wake up.

Oh..and as for this: "ADJURE TE SPIRITUS NEQUISSIME PER DEUM OMNIPOTENTEM"...who you expecting to exorcise, rat?


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Well, rodent....gone off your meds again, I see.
No worries..."we'll" alien7 have someone come by whilst you're napping and give you an injection. I promise...you'll never feel a thing, except better when you wake up.

Oh..and as for this: "ADJURE TE SPIRITUS NEQUISSIME PER DEUM OMNIPOTENTEM"...who you expecting to exorcise, rat?


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Gog and Magog. Well studied, OSR, and I agree with your conclusion:

"MAGOG IS THE CULT.

MABUS IS THEIR "MESSIAH."

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He's way overdo for a spanking. Make that an ass-whippin' ...Texas-style.

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Big talk for someone who isn't even a native Texan, rat.
'sides....you have'ta stay in one place in order to give an "ass-whippin'"...not run willy-nilly into the nite! tomato

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'BLACK QUEEN's turn to RULE THE ROOST, eh?'

Are the Children of Moriah the offspring of the Black Queen?

Is this a concept for a new 'Harry Potter' storyline?

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