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Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?

 
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Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29251401


BECAUSE.......the "god" that "created" us is NOT the TRUE DIVINE CREATOR at all !

He is in fact the devil,the demiurge,Yahweh/Jehovah, an imposter, a usurper of all that is divine.



It is because of this imposter that evil beings were created by him to drain True Beings of their precious divine energy.

Very soon EVERYONE will see everybody else in their true ontological nakedness.

This dimension is run by evil for evil through suffering of those who remain faithful to The Light and rewarding karma for those who are evil to the core.

Thank The True God it is almost over and rescue is at hand.
 Quoting: KiwiFruit


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I don't have a naturally sinful nature, I'm just riddled with empathy.

People like me created religion because there are so many people who behave poorly when they believe there is no consequence. This would go off without a hitch if there wasn't a hitch. As there will always be people just smart enough to doubt the narrative and ruin their own world as they attack and destroy the construct put in place to keep the lesser animals at bay.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72963593


Anyone who needs religion to be "good" is not good to begin with. To know right from wrong is written upon your heart. No one needs a damn book or a bunch of stupid rules to know it is wrong to cause harm to your fellow man.

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Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29251401


Read your Bible, He didn't. It was Adam and Eve who sinned/disobeyed/rebelled against God and in doing so created a sin nature within themselves and have become "fallen", and all their children (us).

This is why God who is a MIGHTY SAVIOUR sent His Son, Jesus Christ, God in the flesh to undo what Adam and Eve did to save us and reconcile us back to Him.

In Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 720033


What a wonderful fairy tale. Now go read something the 'church' hoped would never ever be found. This is the story Adam told to his son Seth. It's quite different than your delightful fairy tale.


[link to www.gnosis.org]
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Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29251401


BECAUSE.......the "god" that "created" us is NOT the TRUE DIVINE CREATOR at all !

He is in fact the devil,the demiurge,Yahweh/Jehovah, an imposter, a usurper of all that is divine.



It is because of this imposter that evil beings were created by him to drain True Beings of their precious divine energy.

Very soon EVERYONE will see everybody else in their true ontological nakedness.

This dimension is run by evil for evil through suffering of those who remain faithful to The Light and rewarding karma for those who are evil to the core.

Thank The True God it is almost over and rescue is at hand.
 Quoting: KiwiFruit


clappa
 Quoting: beebee


BS! There is no real entity named god and nobody is coming to rescue you, you have to rescue yourself. There is no fairy tale ending, sorry, you have to grow up and stop believing in santa clauses.
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Re: Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
He gave the choice, it's up to you to be a dumbfuck about it or not.
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^^^^^^
Where's the choice for the millions born into abject poverty/disease /exploitation every week of the year ??

ie throughout Africa ?
 Quoting: KiwiFruit


Gosh!! You want these people to think???? Ouch - that just hurts their brains too much.

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Re: Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
I don't have a naturally sinful nature, I'm just riddled with empathy.

People like me created religion because there are so many people who behave poorly when they believe there is no consequence. This would go off without a hitch if there wasn't a hitch. As there will always be people just smart enough to doubt the narrative and ruin their own world as they attack and destroy the construct put in place to keep the lesser animals at bay.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72963593


Anyone who needs religion to be "good" is not good to begin with. To know right from wrong is written upon your heart. No one needs a damn book or a bunch of stupid rules to know it is wrong to cause harm to your fellow man.

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BS! good and evil is more a social construct and people are generally good out of self interest and the instinct of survival.
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Re: Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
Short answer:
For his glory
His name will be glorified as he redeems the lost he chooses to save.
 Quoting: Deplorable B@Z


What is it about your douchebag God that requires worship of lesser beings. Does his ego not get stroked enough at being able to create anything and experience anything at will.

Your God is petty and insecure, and most likely not the God of creation.
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he gave us a choice..eat from the tree of life or eat from the tree of knowledge. We chose poorly
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I wasn't given that choice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72649681


You must suffer the fate of your father, and the father before him. And because of that, you have a 'sinful nature'. By the way, you can repent of your sins, believe in a dude, and bypass all of this. But! Make sure to believe in the right dude. And there's a lot of dudes to believe in.
 Quoting: BoatyMcBoatFace


That's fuckin BS!!!

“The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son.” Ezekiel 18:20


Exodus 20:5, “You shall not bow down to [idols] or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.”


We're way, way beyond the 3rd and 4th generation and it speaks specifically about idol worship.

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Re: Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
God didn't create sin, (((Satan))) did.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72726126


Who you think created satan ?

In the beggining was G-d
 Quoting: FOY


Nope. It was religion that created Satan. They needed something to keep the masses under control. It's done a good job so far - until people start to wake up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70547102


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He's perfect. The defect is yours and yours alone. Suck it.
 Quoting: XJDUB


Really? A god that condones rape and murder of innocent children is perfect? Geez, I wouldn't want to see a flawed god!!!

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Re: Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
I think if people really knew what good and evil were and if they really believe in justice then they won't have a problem with God because God is divine justice and justice must be served when evil a.k.a. Dis function is running rampant

Function and disfunction.
 Quoting: FOY


There is no such thing as "justice". There is only obedience to God or disobedience to God. Not a single soul, will be punished for theft, assault, lies, rape or murder. In the end, everyone who meets punishment, will be punished for disobeying God.

God is not, nor has he ever been about "justice". God is God, because he is ALL POWERFUL. When your ALL POWERFUL, it doesn't matter what you do at all. Hence why God alone is "good", because "good", always wins, as victors, "write the history books".

Good= All powerful
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73002029


The Laws of God are Good
 Quoting: FOY


What's good about stoning a woman to death because she's pregnant before she's married? Deuteronomy 22:21
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Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29251401


BECAUSE.......the "god" that "created" us is NOT the TRUE DIVINE CREATOR at all !

He is in fact the devil,the demiurge,Yahweh/Jehovah, an imposter, a usurper of all that is divine.



It is because of this imposter that evil beings were created by him to drain True Beings of their precious divine energy.

Very soon EVERYONE will see everybody else in their true ontological nakedness.

This dimension is run by evil for evil through suffering of those who remain faithful to The Light and rewarding karma for those who are evil to the core.

Thank The True God it is almost over and rescue is at hand.
 Quoting: KiwiFruit


clappa
 Quoting: beebee


BS! There is no real entity named god and nobody is coming to rescue you, you have to rescue yourself. There is no fairy tale ending, sorry, you have to grow up and stop believing in santa clauses.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72583621


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Re: Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
Testing ground.

He's the ref, and evil is allowed to walk the earth to do what it pleases. Our job is to resist, or go along with it, thus human choice. We aren't dealt a fair shake, only what the dice rolls, we are placed in a position in how to react. Eve screwed up big time, damnation upon all of man for her ignorance.

However, if we dive deeper into it, yes I believe in the god mind, the creator, the one before us all. I have no way to verify anything that follows other than by church and man made bibles of various religions. We have many man made laws or rules by men, which don't make sense in the least. It makes you wonder how far religion has strayed, or if religion is the cover for something much more beyond our comprehension. As life is ongoing, does it make you question when a man appears thousands of years ago to undo our sins by dying on a cross, when humanity began many hundreds of thousands of years before? How do you ever really know when there's really no point of solid reference, and we are expected to take it all on a sign of faith?

Religion aside, souls are what drive our human forms, not really defined, not really explained. Recycle, reincarnate, energy is neither created nor destroyed, what does a soul do in the course of its' existence? Is it possible that it experiences multiple lives, or multiple dimensions and even worlds?

I don't think anyone alive actually knows. I believe religion is much too small of an idea. With a billion of galaxies with the solar system, some or many in which hold life, do they believe a man or entity, came back to forgive their sins as well? Does this sound unreasonable?
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Testing ground.

He's the ref, and evil is allowed to walk the earth to do what it pleases. Our job is to resist, or go along with it, thus human choice. We aren't dealt a fair shake, only what the dice rolls, we are placed in a position in how to react. Eve screwed up big time, damnation upon all of man for her ignorance.

However, if we dive deeper into it, yes I believe in the god mind, the creator, the one before us all. I have no way to verify anything that follows other than by church and man made bibles of various religions. We have many man made laws or rules by men, which don't make sense in the least. It makes you wonder how far religion has strayed, or if religion is the cover for something much more beyond our comprehension. As life is ongoing, does it make you question when a man appears thousands of years ago to undo our sins by dying on a cross, when humanity began many hundreds of thousands of years before? How do you ever really know when there's really no point of solid reference, and we are expected to take it all on a sign of faith?

Religion aside, souls are what drive our human forms, not really defined, not really explained. Recycle, reincarnate, energy is neither created nor destroyed, what does a soul do in the course of its' existence? Is it possible that it experiences multiple lives, or multiple dimensions and even worlds?

I don't think anyone alive actually knows. I believe religion is much too small of an idea. With a billion of galaxies with the solar system, some or many in which hold life, do they believe a man or entity, came back to forgive their sins as well? Does this sound unreasonable?
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Oh shut up. You give them consent and secretly like this arrangement, through your compliance you are giving consent.
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Re: Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
Going to go out on a limb but the entire text you worship was written by evil corksoakers who could write at the time...just a guess.
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Re: Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
he gave us a choice..eat from the tree of life or eat from the tree of knowledge. We chose poorly
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How does a sinless person "choose poorly"? Sounds like a massive design flaw.
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Perfect people have a choice to choose either to obey or disobey. That is not a design flaw. It is freedom of choice to either choose life or death.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123


We may want to define "perfect" according to scripture then - when God says "Be ye perfect as I AM perfect", we might consider what is the likelihood that God chooses sin or violates His own directives. Hopefully the mere notion is as absurd to you as it is to me :)

It's unfortunate that this whole mess apparently took Almighty God by surprise, but He really came up with some great stuff on the spot with the bit about crushing the serpent's head and the idea to cover the newly-imperfect couple with slain skins. Talk about improvisation!

cheers
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Re: Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
He gave us Free Will
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8829870


He made you and He knows everything you will do. That is not free will. Every choice you make is pre-programmed into you. If He doesn't know what you will do then He is not Almighty, and He is taking a chance. Does your God take chances?
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Re: Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
God does not like sin, but He loves punishment. Go figure.

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He gave the choice, it's up to you to be a dumbfuck about it or not.
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^^^^^^
Where's the choice for the millions born into abject poverty/disease /exploitation every week of the year ??

ie throughout Africa ?
 Quoting: KiwiFruit


Not all humans are descendants from Noah. In fact, I dare say, only Caucasians are descendants of Noah. In the Torah, God talks about the end times through some of the Prophets, and they said, "during the end times, God's creation will be thoroughly mocked, until God seethes with such total rage he comes down and incinerates the mockers he did not create", to paraphrase.

I forget the book it came from though, as it was some time ago.

That is why, Negroids, Hispanic's, and many Mongoloids, build hell hole, communities and are innately dysfunctional: because they where never meant to exist. That is the only silver lining in the "New Creation".

There will be a big old, "Whites only" sign at the entrance. Those, "creatures", that heard the Word and believed, will be given a new raiment(body) all together(compared to Caucasians who mass muster, will be upgraded).

Hence why, the Messiah taught to spread the Word to all "Creatures".
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he gave us a choice..eat from the tree of life or eat from the tree of knowledge. We chose poorly
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It didn't have to put in a Tree of Life and a devil in the Garden of Eden unless he meant to pit the devil against Eve who was but an all innocent creature which it just created. Actually Eve was set up to fail.
 Quoting: neo668


It goes beyond that. If a being has no concept of "Good and Evil", they simply do not have the mental faculty, the mental ability, to resist temptation.

That is one thing everyone forgets, is that prior to consuming the forbidden fruit, they had no comprehension of good, or evil.

All Adam and Eve knew, was that God made them, placed them in an awesome garden where they spent an undermined amount of time(some Apocrypha, indicates a 1,000 year's in the Garden for Adam).

They praised and sung songs of praise to God in thanks.

In many respects, they where like 4 year olds. Tell a group of 4 year olds, not to eat out of a candy dish, and walk away, how many will comply?

For untold years, Adam and Eve, without knowledge of Good or Evil, complied with what God commanded them to do.

Enter in, something with which they had zero defense: temptation, and everything rolls into motion.

Every aspect of it, reeks of a set up.
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Re: Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
He gave us Free Will
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8829870


Really?


“God gave you free will so that you have the choice to either worship him or go to hell.” Ricky Gervais

"God says do what you wish, but make the wrong choice and you will be tortured for eternity in hell. That sir, is not free will. It would be akin to a man telling his girlfriend, do what you wish, but if you choose to leave me, I will track you down and blow your brains out. When a man says this we call him a psychopath and cry out for his imprisonment. When god says the same we call him "loving" and build churches in his honor." -William C. Easttom II

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Yup....^THIS^
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God didn't create sin, (((Satan))) did.
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Who created satan then, Einstein.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72486531



Yaldabaoth, Saklas or Samael was the abortion of Pistis Sophia.


Sophia, probably in pride, tried to emulate the invisible Spirit (Father) in producing Barbelo, by created an image of herself. Meaning that she wanted to produce an offspring, without either consort or the approval of her Father (Spirit). As an aeon, she did have the power to do so, but she wasn't perfect like the great Spirit, or like the other two perfect aeons, Barbelo and the Autogenes.

She was horrified when she spawned an ugly, imperfect creature – a lion-faced serpent with eyes of fire, whom she called Yaldabaoth.

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Nonsensical fiction, written by a drunken, homosexual, pagan priest.
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Going to go out on a limb but the entire text you worship was written by evil corksoakers who could write at the time...just a guess.
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Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
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Knowing good from evil, if you did not know evil you would not know good. You would be an animal with no higher mind.
Sorry I got a headache

These are the times that tries men's and
women's souls!

May we come though it victorious!
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Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
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Its called free will.

You will understand later.
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Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
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Its called free will.

You will understand later.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64744173


There is no Hell by the way.

How you idiots come up with that shit?

Imagine the administrative costs.

And what would be the point?

Just annihilate all who cannot become altruistic.

One flash and your stupid ass is gone.
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Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29251401


Its called free will.

You will understand later.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64744173


There is no Hell by the way.

How you idiots come up with that shit?

Imagine the administrative costs.

And what would be the point?

Just annihilate all who cannot become altruistic.

One flash and your stupid ass is gone.
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That still remains an unsatisfactory outcome for Love
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You guys make WAY TO MUCH of Free Will.


No Lucifer

No Fall in Garden.

No Jesus on cross

No bride of Christ.

No Heaven
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Re: Why did God create us with a sinful nature if he doesn't like sin?
So that when you sin you can go and confess, then you can give him money.
 Quoting: Mad Munro


Yeah, right. Like God needs money. It's the church that gets the money. It's the church that gets every piece of you with its dogma that you swallow whole.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70547102


The money is supposed to go to the widows/orphans/elderly/poor. Churches that used that money for "surround sounds", " a Pastors Mansion" and etc, are tithe stealing.

There are exact regulations, for how tithing monies are to be handled.
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So that when you sin you can go and confess, then you can give him money.
 Quoting: Mad Munro


Yeah, right. Like God needs money. It's the church that gets the money. It's the church that gets every piece of you with its dogma that you swallow whole.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70547102


The money is supposed to go to the widows/orphans/elderly/poor. Churches that used that money for "surround sounds", " a Pastors Mansion" and etc, are tithe stealing.

There are exact regulations, for how tithing monies are to be handled.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73002029


No there aren't.
But Lord, he stinketh!

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