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Charlotte Police Body Cam & now dash cam footage - Keith Lamont Scott Charlotte Shooting (vid)

 
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What might've been the scenario before the cops came was... He could've been in his car, waiting to make a marijuana sale in that parking lot away from his family. His gun was there for self-defense. (Not excusing all this, just saying I can see this being why he was out there with these things IF, in fact, he had the items the police say they found).
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that's why the audio is messed up.

they cut out the part where the first cop yells,

"LIGHT HIM UP!!!"


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Watching a lot of T.J. Hooker episodes on Netflix?

Do you know how much time it takes to say "Light him up!" when you're on a hair trigger and your life is potentially a split second from ending? No one's going to say "Light him up".
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it takes exactly as long as saying

"here it comes"

just before a car hits you.
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What do they mean by.. "grip in his hand.. grip in his hand"

or something like that?

*body cam video*

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And, of course, he was probably high...maybe partly to help with pain from his "disability", whatever it was. Anyone know what his disability was?
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And, of course, he was probably high...maybe partly to help with pain from his "disability", whatever it was. Anyone know what his disability was?
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traumatic brain injury is all I've heard.
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What do they mean by.. "grip in his hand.. grip in his hand"

or something like that?
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I think they were saying the gun was still gripped in his hand, so they removed it, that was when Red Shirt kicked it behind himself, then stepped back to guard it.

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that's why the audio is messed up.

they cut out the part where the first cop yells,

"LIGHT HIM UP!!!"


.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71674335


Watching a lot of T.J. Hooker episodes on Netflix?

Do you know how much time it takes to say "Light him up!" when you're on a hair trigger and your life is potentially a split second from ending? No one's going to say "Light him up".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70234716



it takes exactly as long as saying

"here it comes"

just before a car hits you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71674335


Exactly. Too much time. You have to...

1) see the gun

2) say the words "light him up!"

3) your words have to register with the other officers

4) other officers have to then fire

No one waits til someone says "Light him up!" Again, T.J. Hooker bullshit. They simply fire.
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And, of course, he was probably high...maybe partly to help with pain from his "disability", whatever it was. Anyone know what his disability was?
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traumatic brain injury is all I've heard.
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Thanks. Hadn't heard that. :)
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What do they mean by.. "grip in his hand.. grip in his hand"

or something like that?
 Quoting: TheDeplorableTangy


I think they were saying the gun was still gripped in his hand, so they removed it, that was when Red Shirt kicked it behind himself, then stepped back to guard it.
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Too bad that's not on video, huh?
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What do they mean by.. "grip in his hand.. grip in his hand"

or something like that?
 Quoting: TheDeplorableTangy


I think they were saying the gun was still gripped in his hand, so they removed it, that was when Red Shirt kicked it behind himself, then stepped back to guard it.
 Quoting: mport81


Too bad that's not on video, huh?
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It's possible "part" of that is on the wife's video. But there is no visual of a moving kicked gun, no.
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What do they mean by.. "grip in his hand.. grip in his hand"

or something like that?
 Quoting: TheDeplorableTangy


I think they were saying the gun was still gripped in his hand, so they removed it, that was when Red Shirt kicked it behind himself, then stepped back to guard it.
 Quoting: mport81


Too bad that's not on video, huh?
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Of course it is, in the wife's video, you see exactly that.
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What do they mean by.. "grip in his hand.. grip in his hand"

or something like that?
 Quoting: TheDeplorableTangy


I think they were saying the gun was still gripped in his hand, so they removed it, that was when Red Shirt kicked it behind himself, then stepped back to guard it.
 Quoting: mport81



if it was still gripped in his hand,
how did it get out between the red officer's legs?

something ain't right here.
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And, of course, he was probably high...maybe partly to help with pain from his "disability", whatever it was. Anyone know what his disability was?
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traumatic brain injury is all I've heard.
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Thanks. Hadn't heard that. :)
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The wife says it on her video.. he has TBI, and just took his meds.
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What do they mean by.. "grip in his hand.. grip in his hand"

or something like that?

*body cam video*
 Quoting: TheDeplorableTangy




I couldn't get what was being said - but that implies they were speaking for the benefit of the audio - did they think their cams were off?




This is cold blooded execution - my daughter is 17 - she says its like there is nothing any of these people could have done to avoid being shot.

What was Crutcher supposed to do - what was Scott supposed to do?



There is clearly some severe form of psychosis evident within the US police forces of some counties - like they think they are in a clansman video war game.


Beyond sickening.

Last Edited by redhouserebel on 09/24/2016 08:40 PM
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OK. There are 2 scenarios here.

1. The suspect had a gun, didn't comply with numerous instructions and was shot.

2. The suspect didn't have a gun, didn't comply with numerous instructions and was shot.

It matters not a whit if he was actually armed or not. If you are told to "drop the gun" or "put your hands up". You do it. You try to tickle a cloud and show that you are no threat to the men with the guns.

It's a natural reaction when faced with several policemen brandishing firearms who have not shot yet.

His past criminal record, to be honest, is of no consequence in the here and now.

If he had simply put his hands up and was then shot, THEN there is a MASSIVE problem.

If you are a cop facing someone who you think may be armed, you can bet your bottom dollar that you do everything within your power to ensure that he/she isn't.

It is simply common sense.

I have been in similar situations a few times but thankfully no shots were required.
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That humming is the noise you make when you've been shot in the chest several times..
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What do they mean by.. "grip in his hand.. grip in his hand"

or something like that?
 Quoting: TheDeplorableTangy


I think they were saying the gun was still gripped in his hand, so they removed it, that was when Red Shirt kicked it behind himself, then stepped back to guard it.
 Quoting: mport81


Too bad that's not on video, huh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70234716


It's possible "part" of that is on the wife's video. But there is no visual of a moving kicked gun, no.
 Quoting: TheDeplorableTangy


They showed a freeze frame break down of exactly this, surprisingly on MSNBC earlier today.
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What do they mean by.. "grip in his hand.. grip in his hand"

or something like that?
 Quoting: TheDeplorableTangy


I think they were saying the gun was still gripped in his hand, so they removed it, that was when Red Shirt kicked it behind himself, then stepped back to guard it.
 Quoting: mport81



if it was still gripped in his hand,
how did it get out between the red officer's legs?

something ain't right here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71674335


Definitely nothing VERY CLEAR in either or any of the videos released, by police or family.

It will not change anything, besides people now seeing what they want to (no gun) and possibly making it worse.
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Re: Charlotte Police Body Cam & now dash cam footage - Keith Lamont Scott Charlotte Shooting (vid)
that's why the audio is messed up.

they cut out the part where the first cop yells,

"LIGHT HIM UP!!!"


.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71674335


Watching a lot of T.J. Hooker episodes on Netflix?

Do you know how much time it takes to say "Light him up!" when you're on a hair trigger and your life is potentially a split second from ending? No one's going to say "Light him up".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70234716



it takes exactly as long as saying

"here it comes"

just before a car hits you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71674335


Exactly. Too much time. You have to...

1) see the gun

2) say the words "light him up!"

3) your words have to register with the other officers

4) other officers have to then fire

No one waits til someone says "Light him up!" Again, T.J. Hooker bullshit. They simply fire.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70234716



how long does it take to say

"drop the gun!"

11 times?


.
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What do they mean by.. "grip in his hand.. grip in his hand"

or something like that?
 Quoting: TheDeplorableTangy


I think they were saying the gun was still gripped in his hand, so they removed it, that was when Red Shirt kicked it behind himself, then stepped back to guard it.
 Quoting: mport81



if it was still gripped in his hand,
how did it get out between the red officer's legs?

something ain't right here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71674335


Jesus, you don't think the officers would disarm the suspect they just shot, then get the weapon out of his reach.
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I think they were saying the gun was still gripped in his hand, so they removed it, that was when Red Shirt kicked it behind himself, then stepped back to guard it.
 Quoting: mport81


Too bad that's not on video, huh?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70234716


It's possible "part" of that is on the wife's video. But there is no visual of a moving kicked gun, no.
 Quoting: TheDeplorableTangy


They showed a freeze frame break down of exactly this, surprisingly on MSNBC earlier today.
 Quoting: mport81


of a sliding... moving... kicked... gun??

Find the video.. It's gotta be on YT or their website.
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if I.. as someone who believes he had a gun, can not see it clearly, there is no way those who wanted the release of the video will SEE a gun..
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at first I didnt think it showed anything.. But looks like gun in left hand.

[link to prnt.sc]

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South paw.

Good clean kill.
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"Good clean kill"?

Nothing good about killing.
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What do they mean by.. "grip in his hand.. grip in his hand"

or something like that?
 Quoting: TheDeplorableTangy


I think they were saying the gun was still gripped in his hand, so they removed it, that was when Red Shirt kicked it behind himself, then stepped back to guard it.
 Quoting: mport81



if it was still gripped in his hand,
how did it get out between the red officer's legs?

something ain't right here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71674335


Jesus, you don't think the officers would disarm the suspect they just shot, then get the weapon out of his reach.
 Quoting: mport81



the gun is already magically several feet away
when it shows up in the wife's video.

so officer #1 had like 10 microseconds to pry it out of the dead guy's hands and fling it.
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if I.. as someone who believes he had a gun, can not see it clearly, there is no way those who wanted the release of the video will SEE a gun..
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There you have it. This is why Charlotte will have their hands full tonight.
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if I.. as someone who believes he had a gun, can not see it clearly, there is no way those who wanted the release of the video will SEE a gun..
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There you have it. This is why Charlotte will have their hands full tonight.
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OK. There are 2 scenarios here.

1. The suspect had a gun, didn't comply with numerous instructions and was shot.

2. The suspect didn't have a gun, didn't comply with numerous instructions and was shot.

It matters not a whit if he was actually armed or not. If you are told to "drop the gun" or "put your hands up". You do it. You try to tickle a cloud and show that you are no threat to the men with the guns.

It's a natural reaction when faced with several policemen brandishing firearms who have not shot yet.

His past criminal record, to be honest, is of no consequence in the here and now.

If he had simply put his hands up and was then shot, THEN there is a MASSIVE problem.

If you are a cop facing someone who you think may be armed, you can bet your bottom dollar that you do everything within your power to ensure that he/she isn't.

It is simply common sense.

I have been in similar situations a few times but thankfully no shots were required.
 Quoting: JC-


The woman shouted that he was mentally 'challenged; or something and that he had just taken his drugs.

From that point on, the officers knew what the situation was.

And chose to disregard the info that they should know about and did know..

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What do they mean by.. "grip in his hand.. grip in his hand"

or something like that?

*body cam video*
 Quoting: TheDeplorableTangy




I couldn't get what was being said - but that implies they were speaking for the benefit of the audio - did they think their cams were off?




This is cold blooded execution - my daughter is 17 - she says its like there is nothing any of these people could have done to avoid being shot.

What was Crutcher supposed to do - what was Scott supposed to do?



There is clearly some severe form of psychosis evident within the US police forces of some counties - like they think they are in a clansman video war game.


Beyond sickening.
 Quoting: redhouserebel

They both could have complied...
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if I.. as someone who believes he had a gun, can not see it clearly, there is no way those who wanted the release of the video will SEE a gun..
 Quoting: TheDeplorableTangy


There you have it. This is why Charlotte will have their hands full tonight.
 Quoting: CatBTX


jay
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Cannot see it CLEARLY ????? - you mean - CANNOT SEE IT AT ALL because you CANNOT SEE INVISIBLE NON-EXISTENT GUNS.
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What do they mean by.. "grip in his hand.. grip in his hand"

or something like that?
 Quoting: TheDeplorableTangy


I think they were saying the gun was still gripped in his hand, so they removed it, that was when Red Shirt kicked it behind himself, then stepped back to guard it.
 Quoting: mport81



if it was still gripped in his hand,
how did it get out between the red officer's legs?

something ain't right here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71674335


Definitely nothing VERY CLEAR in either or any of the videos released, by police or family.

It will not change anything, besides people now seeing what they want to (no gun) and possibly making it worse.
 Quoting: TheDeplorableTangy


As someone who finds killing to be a last resort option, I wanted to see justified homicide but didn't.
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