CIA man testifies he was part of US government team that trained Mohamed Atta at Venice Flying School

cloak and dagger has more credibility with me than CNN. They're interested in the real news, not the disneyland version of the real news.

Agreed. Trouble is, they rely on what they claim are confidential, intelligence sources. It is often impossible to check whether what they reported was true. Their stories just pass by without independent confirmation. But this one seems very plausible. If it is, that guy is going to need 24/7 protection.

Bearing in mind that your ref of "real news" is meant to be jocularly taken as tongue in cheek.

This story is plausible because Daniel Hopsicker ("Barry and the Boys", "Welcome to Terrorland") has revealed that Atta's close friend, Wolfgang Bohringer, with whom he hung out in Venice, Florida, was arrested by the FBI in late November and then released when he told them - get this - that he worked for the CIA as a pilot! [link to www.madcowprod.com]

I think that Atta and the other others were not terrorists at all. They were working for the CIA. Many of them were brought in on the Visa Express program, set up by the Bush administration to allow Saudis to get a quick visa, without going through the motions of visiting a U.S. embassy. It was done through a travel bureau. A real security breach, unless they set it up purposely to get those guys in here without U.S. government scrutiny.

If you read about Atta, he does not fit the profile they tried to paint of him. He was no religious fanatic. He was not even religious. He liked cocaine and liquor. His girlfriend and the cab driver were telling all about this, until the FBI showed up and shut them up. Why? Why would the FBI want to shut up people who knew the hijackers? Because they did not fit the profile the government fed us.

Several of the supposed hijackers trained on American Air Force Bases. That would require top security clearance. That means the government had a use for these guys. They were working for the government.

The flying school where Atta trained was run by Rudi Dekkars, a Dutch national. He disappeared soon after 9/11 and so did the CIA shell front flight school. Soon after 9/11, Jeb Bush confiscated all the records from that flying school and personally accompanied them to Washington. Why? In most crime cases, that would be a crime called obstruction of justice. Why not just let the authorities comb through the records and follow where the clues led? Because that was a CIA front operation. Why did the brass at the FBI shut down the investigation of the flight school guys? Because they were OUR guys.

James Woods, the actor, has said that prior to 9/11 he saw Atta and others on his flight from Boston to L.A. and they appeared to be acting suspiciously, like hijackers. There has been other evidence that the so-called hijackers went on practice drill flights. They probably thought that 9/11 was another practice drill.

Or maybe they did not even board the planes and that is why no Middle Eastern passengers' names appeared on the flight manifests. In that case, they were not patsies but were acting for the U.S. government.

Obviously these guys were working with the government. That is why they left incriminating tapes and confessions and flight manuals for the authorities to find. Either they were framed or told to do so for some reason. They probably told them there's a big drill on 9/11 of hijacked planes crashing into buildings. But once the exercise was underway, the government flew the planes by remote control from the ground and double-crossed the patsies.

They were patsies. That's why their identification was left to be found in a suitcase that 'by mistake' never got loaded onto the plane. That's why two of them lived with an FBI informant in San Diego. The $100,000 wired to Atta before 9/11 was sent by a Pakistani intel agent on the order of the Chief of Intelligence in Pakistan. There was a lot of Saudi money going to these guys and yet the Saudis are still Bush's best friends. He arranged for the escape flights of the Bin Ladins and other Saudis, including members of the royal family. The Saudis have a rich and long history of financing CIA operations that are out of the oversight and control of Congress. The Bushes have a long history of money laundering for the Saudis and the Saudis have a long history of financing Bush crime family operations and CIA operations. BCCI, Iran-Contra, drug dealing, illegal arms dealing, whatever is not allowed and therefore not budgeted by Congress. That's where the Saudis come in and are very accommodating that way. The Saudi money going to the so-called terrorists is a big clue that these guys worked for Bush.

The fact that Atta was drinking and carousing just hours before the attacks - even being seen aboard a SunCruz casino boat owned by Republican fundraiser and convicted fraudster, Jack Abramoff, few days before 9/11 [link to www.madcowprod.com] - and the fact that he was bargaining with a prostitute over her price show that he was not an Islamic fundamentalist and not about to die for the glory of Allah.

Why would they trust the CIA and the American government? Maybe they wanted to be Americans some day. Maybe they liked it here. Maybe they believed in democracy and freedom. Maybe they were escaping to the land of the free. What better way to get your green card and a great job too, than to work for the American government? When you think about this, try to think of how most of us thought of our government before 9/11? I don't think that most people thought that the U.S. were the real evil doers. It's hard to think back to how we felt then.

Since there is evidence that some of the so-called hijackers are still alive, it's possible the guys we saw on the t.v. were not even on those planes. It's possible that they were but took assumed names. We really don't know. Those same guys could be working on some other false-flag, black op right now for our government, though I doubt that they are still alive.

I think that Atta and the other others were not terrorists at all. They were working for the CIA.

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Since when does working for the CIA mean you can't be a terrorist?

Don't be pedantic. You know precisely what I meant. They were pretending to be terrorists. It's what is called in intelligence circles as acquiring a legend.