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I had a dream about Ezekiel's wheel

 
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I had a dream about Ezekiel's wheel
I was told ezekiel's wheels when taken out of context are interpreted as UFOS. But when properly read, within context of the chapter is actually a description of a "wheel vehicle".

Upon waking, the first thought that came to mind was a horse pulled chariot is the "wheel vehicle" ezekiel was describing. And not some flying saucer.

what do u guys this ?
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The MERKABA! As taught by Drunvalo Melchizedek. Wheels within wheels. Wheels that encircle the body and you travel within them! Pretty cool, eh.. Guess I won't have to pay for airfare after all.
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interesting.....Ezekiel's wheels are seen again in the book of Revelation, as the "beasts" full of eyes, and which give God glory continuously...

I have read that these are "cherubim", or a type of huge angelic presence......and also that yes, God does "ride" upon these clouds or cherubim in the heavens....so in that sense they are a type of spiritual "vehicle"....

Some things in the Bible are mysteries to us,,,but we will know their meaning when we see Him, our Master and Teacher,,,,,Christ our Lord.....

They are not "UFO's", in the sense that unregenerate man has made out, that is,,,,a higher intelligence coming from outer space.......they are a delusion, fed by antagonistic spiritual forces, reprobate as to the Word of God....

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from bible.


ezekiel k.1 v.3-5

3The word of the LORD came expressly unto Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the river Chebar; and the hand of the LORD was there upon him.
4: And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.
5: Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man

and.

k.1. v.14 - 20

14And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.
15: Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.
16: The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
17: When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.
18: As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.
19: And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
20: Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.



try to see the same thing, with the mind of today, and tell me what u whould have seen, if u did seen what ezekiel saw. :-) space brothers my m8 :-)



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Usually people have mistaken Merkebah (charriot-throne) mainly because that was Daniken's version who triggered NASA one time engineer, Joseph Blumrich, that is a quadruple chopper with propelled system under a bell-shape artifact (and by the way without any wheels inside others and being the same size, even space-time device in "Contact" idealized with the help of Sagan's imagination is far closer to Ezekiel's vision than Blumrich's!). That engineer imagined this ufo56 abduct UFO:

[link to fotolog.terra.cl]

Unfortunately for the UFOlogists this is completely wrong! First you need to read and see depictions as explained by someone with authority , linguist Michael Heiser who challenges Sitchin's understanding very similar to Daniken, that is imagining the things into OUR likeness when is in fact all the opposite. Read this, I beg you, specially since EYES of the onanim are EYES and not devices and the bodies and wings of the hybrid humanimal cherubim were also covered with additional eyes:

[link to www.sitchiniswrong.com]

Now if you wanna see a better illustration comparing Ezekiel's visions with John in Apocalipsis, Daniel and Isaiah, please go to following link and take your time to click on each one of the links :

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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Tell you what, I bet if Daniken or Sitchin ever see an ancient depiction of bacteriophage virus T-4 carved by an ancient shaman, they would never ever suspect these people could actually see INNER or OUTER reality with the use of hallucinogenic substance or under the same inspiration that "opened" the EYE of prophets and the tryptophan aminoacid. They will swear they actually saw LUNAR ROVERS:
[link to www.rkm.com.au]
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Very interesting. What was the fruit eaten from the tree? I don't think it was an apple. Maybe, the Vatican changed that. I think it was a mushroom, which opened up the third eye and pissed off the gods. It's PLURAL in the bible...more than one god! The Mayans also ate the magic fruit. The gods said, "Let's turn them away lest they become one of us and know right from wrong." Hells, bells, how unfair is that? They did not want the Adamic race having the power they had.
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one of ezekiel's "wheels" is the circle of the ecliptic of the sun containg the 12 constellations of the zodiac. the zodiac was originally all animals or "beasts", with the lion, leo, being the "king of the beasts". one of the other wheels, of the "wheel within a wheel" is the celestial equator, and i believe the 3rd wheel is the galactic equator. the 4 main "beasts" are the constellations of leo, taurus, aquarius, and scorpio.

just look at a "globe" of the earth with the "wheel within a wheel" surrounding the earth.
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the "fruit" that was "partaken of" was "knowlege".

the "tree" of knowledge is in the "midst" of the garden of eden. the garden of eden is the earth. the trunk of the "tree of knowledge" is the axis of the earth.
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I was told ezekiel's wheels when taken out of context are interpreted as UFOS. But when properly read, within context of the chapter is actually a description of a "wheel vehicle".

Upon waking, the first thought that came to mind was a horse pulled chariot is the "wheel vehicle" ezekiel was describing. And not some flying saucer.

what do u guys this ?
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its a THRONE CHAIR
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I was told ezekiel's wheels when taken out of context are interpreted as UFOS. But when properly read, within context of the chapter is actually a description of a "wheel vehicle".

Upon waking, the first thought that came to mind was a horse pulled chariot is the "wheel vehicle" ezekiel was describing. And not some flying saucer.

what do u guys this ?
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BLOOD, SWEAT & TEARS - SPINNING WHEEL
[link to www.youtube.com]
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Examine the Hebrew if you want to know about Ezekiels chariot.

A wheel within a wheel is a hub/rim surrounded by a tire.
A wheel within a wheel.
Remember when this revelation was given to Ezekiel; he would have been dumbfounded by the sight of a modern vehicle.
The wheel was full of eyes.
An eye in ancient craft tools was an opening. Like the eye of a needle.
The rim was covered with many eyes, or tear shaped holes, i.e. a modern rim.
The rim glowed and sparkled, i.e. chrome or polished aluminum.
The vehicle "roared" as it moved from one place to another, and where the wheels went the four passengers went.

Duh, no shit!

If you want to marvel at the wheels in the prophecy of Ezekiel, marvel at this;

Ezekiel describes a modern, internal combustion, modern rimmed, SUV..which the prophet sees climbing and descending on the horizon. When does he see this marvelous sight?

When a terrible wind storm is approaching from the north.
Jesus and Paul talk about this same storm.
YOU know which storm I am referring to.

When you see the abomination that makes desolate, where it should not be...run for the hills.
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It was. The ancients would not have viewed the chariot as a U.F.O. but rather as a magnificent vehicle.Alexander was assisted by one of these craft while laying siege to a fortress,and no one really bat an eye,seeing this as a sign from the gods.
"is that a sears poncho or is that a real poncho?Hmm...no foolin"
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Oh, did I forget that "over" the passengers of the chariot was something like "Ice". The Hebrew word interpreted as over can also impy between the viewer and the object viewed.

I.E. Ezekiel was describing that the passengers were seperated from the outside by something that looked like ice..
Gee, do you think that might have been clear glass?
Like a windshield, side windows?
Gee maybe even a sunroof?
Duh, no shit?

Remember the vision keeps altering inself from a view of the outside, to viewing the inside, i.e a description of the passengers.

The four beasts that make up each passenger are four "natures" that we all have within us.
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will u just stop it! those beasts were the animals that either pulled or escorted the chariot.

Oh, did I forget that "over" the passengers of the chariot was something like "Ice". The Hebrew word interpreted as over can also impy between the viewer and the object viewed.

I.E. Ezekiel was describing that the passengers were seperated from the outside by something that looked like ice..
Gee, do you think that might have been clear glass?
Like a windshield, side windows?
Gee maybe even a sunroof?
Duh, no shit?

Remember the vision keeps altering inself from a view of the outside, to viewing the inside, i.e a description of the passengers.

The four beasts that make up each passenger are four "natures" that we all have within us.
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bsflag because if it was a Wheel as you say, why havent they made a replica of it then?
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It was. The ancients would not have viewed the chariot as a U.F.O. but rather as a magnificent vehicle.Alexander was assisted by one of these craft while laying siege to a fortress,and no one really bat an eye,seeing this as a sign from the gods.
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Alexander was an incarnation of the sun of Man. The book of Ezekiel speaks ofter about this.

Paul even tells you that during his travels he sees a vision of "A certain macedonian", who then instructs Paul to enter Macedonia and preach to "his" people.

Paul does so and without hesitation.
Why?

I think you know why.
Are you ready for the Revelation?

But I digress, first you must endure the storm.

Choose wisely my son.
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will u just stop it! those beasts were the animals that either pulled or escorted the chariot.

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There were four wheels.
Of course.

Ezekiel 1:19

"And when the living creatures went the wheels went beside them."
Beside them, of course.

Ezekiel 1:20

"The spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels."
Of course.

Within the four wheels moved the four spirits.

The beasts pulled nothng.
You but have to look, and have eyes that see.

Choose wisely, the age has expired.
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tell us more, do you have any links??
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I even mentioned a link descrbing what really says in Hebrew it's like a hovercraft with a dome with 4 wheels inside 4 wheels of the SAME DIAMETER but these are not literal material wheels. Ezekiel is not mentioning 12 constellations or spinning of galaxies either. As a matter of fact people are forgetting the hybrid cherubim here. These are not machines and constellations never had those humanimal shapes at all. They are just chosen-by-finger stars among millions and then the ancient people drew imaginary lines that not even resemble the shape they attributed. The fact is those "symbols" were represented like that not because of the constellations themselves by their spiritual invisible beings. Hebrew text is not mentioning devices like "eyes" but eyes indeed. It's curious the Bagavad Gitah is telling similar things about Krishna's depiction and gods with multiple arms and eyes, thunder, rays, fire. I think I already mentioned the Amazon shamans see the same thing under the hallucinogenic effect of Ayahuasca... even the dome and the 4-faced creatures.
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OP is similar to the information I was given about Ezekiels wheel. Together with the Celtic cross, it is a tool for navigation; a star clock and calendar.

The working Celtic cross measuring the angles of stars in the Ecliptic Zodiac

This article is called Ezekiel's Wheels to highlight the forgotten method of finding the sun's position at night and thus keeping the time, the missing method was by gearing two great imaginary spinning wheels of stars.
The wheel of constellations round the north celestial pole which the Egyptians called the Imperishable Ones, or Immortal Ones because they never entered the horizon.

The wheel of the Zodiac we are all familiar with that girdles the middle of the planet.

These two Zodiac's work as a clock and calendar, but only function in combination with the earlier discovery of the wheel or Celtic cross, a sophisticated yet simple ancient instrument of measurement, this natural clock is a missing piece in the puzzle of how our ancient ancestors achieved unexplainable alignments in construction and time keeping.
Everyone is aware in some form or another of the common zodiac inherited from the Greeks and the earlier one from the Egyptians, but no researcher to date has married the two zodiacs together, yet they are obvious.
This discovery of a second but interrelated zodiac is crucial since it is impossible to tell the position of the sun in an ecliptic zodiac sign by looking directly at the sun. daylight obscures the sign because it is behind the sun on the other side of the solar system.
The North wheel had four divisions and four constellations, touched the earth and rose far above it, while the South Wheel had twelve divisions in which there were the Creatures that were the eyes of Time, the animal signs of the Zodiac which means wheel of animals. The Fire in the middle is the sun.
By establishing the position of the ecliptic pole at midnight using the serpent Draconis, our ancestors could discover the position of the sun in the Ecliptic Zodiac and establish both the date and the time as well as the Epoch.
[link to www.crichtonmiller.com]
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its pretty simple, images of beast were carved into the wagon's wheel. As the wheel turned so did those carvings of beasts giving the impression of synchronicity; hence the meaning behind the spirit of the living creatures resting within the wheel

wake the flock up people!
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Not only the wheels do have eyes but the cherubim bodies and 4 wings, see illustration number 9:
[link to www.sitchiniswrong.com]
If you pay attention carefully you'll see that also in Apocalipsis 4 depiction and the image here:
[link to fotolog.terra.com.br]
Now, in both cases the DOME is not something of a vehicle either. It was like a rainbow but neither a bow nor with 7 colors. We know this because Apocalipsis is very clear saying the color of that sort of rainbow lacking more accurate words was green emerald. In Greek John uses the word "iris" which is completely circular. It was like a halo or aura... a green aura covering the throne-charriot. The cherubim are real creatures in spiritual dimension. Even to draw this in a flat bidimensional paper or any canvas is difficult. Hare Krishnas have the same problem and so had ancient Egyptians and others. Picasso was inspired in old Peruvian Chavin culture to depict the 4th dimension (Cubism is his art and inspired on Hypercubes, see Cube II, Hypercube film, that's called Tesseract). Dali art did the same in his Christus Hypercubus
[link to fotolog.terra.com.br]
The Peruvians did the feline-minotaur BEFORE THEY EVER SAW BULLS imported from Spaniard conquerors and they would laugh at the UFO vehicle interpretation. Other thing is if vimanas were done with the help of these creatures or intelligence of ancient mankind, that's other thing we can't confuse and mingle.
[link to fotolog.terra.com.br]
To depict the 4th dimension ancient people like Peruvians used to alter the shape of the mountains to produce SHADOWS at the proper time like shadow of Inca profile united with the cougar just once a year:
[link to fotolog.terra.com.br]
[link to fotolog.terra.com.br]
To represent the cherubim figure they couldn't use animal + cougar or lion in Peru but they TIED BULL WITH THE CONDOR just like bull was worshipped everywhere from Crete minotaurus, Assyrian lion-bulls, Egyptian sphinxes and so on. Check photo here of Peruvian Yawar Fiesta to worship the equivalent of the eagle in Babylon or falcon in Egypt or bald eagle worshipped by American indians:
[link to fotolog.terra.com.br]
Even in our dense material world sometimes you can see a 2-faced bull or 2-faced kitties, wanna check with your own skeptical eyes? Cats with wings? Be my guest!
[link to www.messybeast.com]
[link to www.messybeast.com]
[link to www.lairweb.org.nz]
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tell us more, do you have any links??
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185402 What would you like to know?
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All, it's talking about, is the time of the end, and cars, automobiles
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The art of Picasso (Cubism), Dali (Surrealism) and Francis Picabia (Dadaism) represent all these spiritual realms and the descents of Mayans, American indians or Peruvians laugh at that explanation of vehicles. They worshipped the Sun alright but the visions were very clear and were not "archetypes". Freud had his own interpretation but his disciple Jung became more mystic and they split apart their point of view. The fact is mandalas or creatures don't have to be interpret nor Egyptian 740 hybrid gods. They are like that and whoever think is merely "symbolic" is completely ignorant not only about the theory but the very practice of the things our mind can really see in altered states. Some people come here and they even ignore reality even in our dimension and dare to interpret metaphysics? Other want to give explanations about Ezekiel and not even READ Ezekiel nor the whole Bible nor wanna invest time to learn. So be it! Ezekiel doesn't even mention the sun in this vision for Christ's sake! To read and repeat like a parrot the same interpretations written over and over million times doesn't mean it's true I must say.
[link to fotolog.terra.com.br]
[link to fotolog.terra.com.br]
[link to fotolog.terra.com.br]
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according to the greatest scholar of medieval Islam,

Abu Hamid Muhammad al-Ghazali,

during the day we are focused on our bodies

and 3-d time,

during the night the body relaxes and the heart

opens to Higher Knowledge (dreams).


The Remembrance of Death & the Afterlife,

"it is rare for a person not to get a glimpse of

his future through dreams."

Dreams are a door to Al-Lauh Al-Mahfuz.

The Preserved Tablet.

The Clear Record.


The proper interpretation of dreams requires

purity of mind, heart & intentions.
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Ya'll are making too much of this....it is simply WHAT GOD LOOKS LIKE!!!!! DUUUHHHHH!!!
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Two-faced calf:
[link to fotolog.terra.com]
The very name cherubim is related to bull. They were called bulls because besides having the feline face, the humanoid face and the bird face they have FEET OF A CALF, so now we understand why this was the favorite god in India or the mummified bulls in Egypt. Hathor the goddess cow had a name linking her to falcon Horus but also means "the dwelling of the gods" suggesting the constelations were represented like hybrid in all civilizations not because any sun or moon because they also don't have these shapes at all. It's because their spiritual odd creatures sometimes even perceived in their "dungeon" electromagnetic realms, sometimes even like suspended animation within the rocks. Many non-schizophrenic people have actually seen these creatures specially in odd places like Marcahuasi, Peruvian plateau 12.500 feet upon sea level. Read specially under the photo of Erik Mendoza here:
[link to www.xpeditionsmagazine.com]
I suggest investigate Sammael/Satan being Mars cherubim and that's why Mars area with the humanimal bilateral symmetry face and pyramid was called CYDONIA/SIDON by Freemasons. Read also Ezekiel 28 the whole chapter, specially the part saying to set the FACE against Sidon considering sphinx in Egypt was Horemaket meaning falcon Horus in the horizon. The Egyptian root word here was "heru" also meaning FACE and according to Carlotto and Robert Morningstar the Cydonia face is also the cherubim falcon and bull and not just the antropoid and lion as seen by Richard Hoagland:
[link to fotolog.terra.com.br]
[link to fotolog.terra.com.br]
[link to www.cyberspace.orbit.com]
As you can see Mayans also knew that feature:
[link to the2001face.50megs.com]

[link to the2001face.50megs.com]
[link to the2001face.50megs.com]
[link to the2001face.50megs.com]
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All, it's talking about, is the time of the end, and cars, automobiles
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The end of an age.
A specific period of time.

The occupants of the vehicle have wings because we are the "angels" of this world.

At least we are angels at birth, then corruption comes in some degree, both of the flesh and of the spirit. Then upon disolution, numerous factors determine where and under what conitions we reincarnate. Between incarnations we but sleep; inanimate, unknowning.

The soul is like the wind; you hear it passing, but you know not where it goes, nor where its been.

One of my favorites!
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I said and repeat, ancient civilization used altered mountains to create SHADOWS upon the 3D reality to represent the 4th dimension. Egyptians had to do the entities in profile just like modern Hare Krishna. Picasso had to do his art as if somebody moving while someone takes a photograph. Physicist Michio Kaku (Hyperspace) is wrong assuming these creatures in 4th dimension look AT US in that bizarre way! He uses Dali and Picasso in his book as examples of HIS idea but he fails to mention the very art during thousands of years which inspired both Dali and Picasso! It's the way these beings PROYECT THEMSELVES ONTO OUR 3 DIMENSIONAL REALITY in the same way we as 3D creatures could make a 2D flat "intelligent" and "living" flat Popey dwelling in Flatland paper-universe be aware of our "invisible" existence.How come? Just by gluing a 2D photograph of ourselves who are 3D or proyecting slides or a film of ourselves onto his paper-cosmos. It's not like Kaku imagines that a cross made of squares would step-by-step gradually dissapear if we "bend" step-by-step each and every square of the cross UP the missing dimension (height). Kaku is forgetting something inevitable. Popey's eyes ARE ALSO FLAT and hence he can't see 3D. That's one thing. Other thing is even for ourselves to "bend" that square of the cross to make a 3D "cube", we can't break the rules of physics. We don't bend it in imaginary way. As 3D "gods" we ought to CUT THE VERY EDGES OF THE CROSS and then we can glue them to make the 3D cube. Therefore Popey's flat eyes can only witness a HOLE in the shape of a cross was suddendly open like Bermudas triangle mystery of its flat universe! I wrote a letter to Kaku saying this and wrote the same thing in his forum and lacking any answer of his physic colleagues, the moderator kicked me out!





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