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Christopher Powell
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1/21/2007 9:28 PM
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AC 184619 sent me this excellent link [link to www.world-mysteries.com] today and it got me to thinking that it might be interesting for some of the folks here to start a thread dedicated to enigmatic archaeology. Where possible, please provide links. If this thread takes off, we could end up with valuable (to some at least) research tool.
I am an archaeologist with over 20 years experience in the field. I worked some 7 years in the deserts in the S/W U.S. and for a few years at sites in California, New York and the Midwest. Since 1993 I have been living and working in Southern Mexico and Central America directing excavations at Maya ceremonial centers (Palenque in Chiapas Mexico, Copan in Honduras, and Cerros in Belize). I have also conducted ethnographic research in Maya communities and am currently teaching and conducting archaroastronomical studies at various Maya ceremonial centers. I work and teach with a group of anthropologists at the Maya Exploration Center, a non-profit research institute (see our website at: [link to mayaexploration.org] ).
Though my professional focus has been archaeology in the Americas, I am interested in archaeology in general and have long been interested in Archaeological enigmas. I will be traveling off and on for the next several months but I will try to find time (and internet services) to comment on additions to this thread and to answer questions if they arise.
I am a long time lurker and occasional poster here at Godlike Productions.
I will begin with a link that includes photos, drawings and a brief description of the site of Baalbek in Iraq (from about 3,500 B.C.) where the largest known stones ever cut and moved by humans are found: [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
Vamos! |
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Mona Lisa
User ID: 165567
1/21/2007 9:30 PM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
That sounds promising, good luck!!! Keep us as first informed about your findings, Thanks. |
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CP
User ID: 185210 (OP)
1/21/2007 9:31 PM | |
HeidiLore
User ID: 177523
1/21/2007 9:33 PM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
Got my degree in arch, interest in Middle East/Sumerian civilization. Baalbek is interesting, to be certain. There are many things that they won't address in the field, try to read Forbidden Archeology. Long read, but worth it.
Visit my website...
[link to heidi-lore.tripod.com]
Need to email? heidilore@gmail.com
Visit the GLP video site and click on groups:
[link to youtube.com]
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I believe I can see the future, 'cause I repeat the same routine. I think I used to have a purpose, but then again, it might have been a dream |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 179628
1/21/2007 9:42 PM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
Looks interesting. Thanks. |
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mercury2 
User ID: 101513
1/21/2007 10:16 PM
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I have a bunch of links saved on this topic, I will try to add a few to this thread.
For starters there's the New England Antiquities Research Association, NEARA, I am sure their site is
[link to www.neara.org]
For some reason their home page does not have a clear link to the articles archive, as I remember. You can see the link to the articles archive better on a secondary page. Haven't been there for a little while so I'm not sure.
Just for the sake of conversation, I will say that my interest in "fringe archaeology" and ancient mysteries is what motivated me to get online in the first place. I was reading a lot of books, then trying to stay current with the Egyptian controversies through Atlantis Rising magazine, but feeling like it wasn't possible to stay up to date.
When I did get online in 2000 and was searching around on archaeological topics, that is how I found my way onto sites like Jeff Rense. I really did notice that if you looked for archaeology you ended up in UFOs and then conspiracy theories.
I have had a lot of fun and learned a lot. There are some sites I have found that I wish were updated.
Will post some here but maybe not right now. The book I am reading, "Kristin Lavransdatter" beckons. That was written by the daughter of an archaeologist! |
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CP
User ID: 185210 (OP)
1/21/2007 10:34 PM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
Thank you Heidilore, the Forbidden Archaeology site is a very good compilation of the enigmatic and probably more extensive than we could compile here. I suggest we post our favorite individual enigmas and see what Godlike can come up with. The Peruvian “deformed” skulls, for example, at the link below blow my mind.
[link to www.world-mysteries.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 185210 (OP)
1/22/2007 1:30 AM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
Bunes noches bump.
Hasta manana |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 185374
1/22/2007 1:39 AM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
we come from space
in order to do that we need to master space travel
in order to master space travel u need some pretty top notch tech
im sure that knocking oiut a glass skull or two was something they did on a sunday afternoon for a laugh
like you would make a sandwich
these things are only amazing, if your level of understanding is retarded to the extent an aeroplane would make u go WOW!
other than that
just google OOPARTS
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mercury2
User ID: 189989
2/1/2007 11:18 PM
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Here's a link to John Coleman's Nova Scotia Mysteries site:
[link to www.vortexmaps.com]
He's done a lot of research on strange monuments and alignments on Nova Scotia, it's interesting. |
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more skulls
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2/1/2007 11:21 PM | |
mercury2
User ID: 189989
2/2/2007 12:05 AM
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This is a piece from the author Michael Bradley's site. It is about enigmatic archaeological finds around Lake Memphremagog in New England near the Canadian border. It's not a very organized piece, the stuff about the possible remains of a medieval settlement is maybe halfway through. It's cool about the weird stuff they found there though. You might enjoy it:
[link to www.michaelbradley.info] |
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SaFire
User ID: 188985
2/2/2007 1:37 AM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
Baalbek is indeed very interesting. Ba-al could refer to any god depending on the region. Hadad or Haddu was a very important northwest Semitic storm or rain god, cognate in name and origin with the Akkadian god, Adad. Hadad is often called Ba-al Lord, but this title is used for other gods. In the Canaanite pantheon, Hadad was the son of El, who once had been the primary god and used interchaneably with the Hebrew god, Yawah.
Because more than one god bore the title "Ba’al" and more than one goddess bore the title "Ba’alat" or "Ba’alah," only the context of a text can indicate which Ba’al 'Lord' or Baalath 'Lady' a particular inscription or text is speaking of.
Though the god Hadad (or Adad) was especially likely to be called Ba’al, Hadad was far from the only god to have that title. The Ugaritic texts (mainly preserved in the Baal cycle) place the dwelling of Ba’al/Hadad on Mount Zephon, so one can probably take as evident that references to Ba’al Zephon in the Tanach and in inscriptions and tablets refer to Hadad. It is said that Ba’al Pe’or, the Lord of Mount Pe’or, whom Israelites were forbidden from worshipping (Numbers 1:25) was also Hadad. In the Canaanite pantheon, Hadad was the son of El, who had once been the primary god of the Canaanite pantheon, and whose name was also used interchangeably with that of the Hebrew God, Yahweh.
Melqart, the god of Tyre, was often called the Ba’al of Tyre. 1 Kings 16:31 relates that Ahab, king of Israel, married Jezebel, daughter of Ethba’al, king of the Sidonians, and then served habba’al ('the Ba’al'.) The cult of this god was prominent in Israel until the reign of Jehu, who put an end to it (2 Kings 10:26):
And they brought out the pillars (massebahs) of the house of the Ba’al and burned them. And they pulled down the pillar (massebah) of the Ba’al and pulled down the house of the Ba’al and turned it into a latrine until this day.
It is uncertain whether "the Ba’al" 'the Lord' refers to Melqart, to Hadad, who was also worshipped in Tyre, or Ba’al Shamîm 'Lord of Heaven' who was also worshipped in Tyre and often distinguished from Hadad. Josephus (Antiquities 8.13.1) states clearly that Jezebel "built a temple to the god of the Tyrians, which they call Belus" which certainly refers to Melqart. But Josephus may be relying on likelihood rather than knowledge. Hadad is generally a rain god but Melqart is not known to be connected with bringing of rain. But so little is known of Melqart's cult that such reasoning is not decisive.
In any case, King Ahab, despite supporting the cult of this Ba‘al, remained at the same time also a follower of Yahweh. Ahab still consulted Yahweh's prophets and cherished Yahweh's protection when he named his sons Ahaziah ("Yahweh holds") and Jehoram ("Yahweh is high.")
One of Tyre's rulers, Hiram I maintained close ties with Hebrew Kings, Solomon and David.
Baalbek was also sacked by the Crusaders. Hhhmmm, what were they looking for?
Baalbek was also sacked by the Crusaders. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 188985
2/2/2007 1:38 AM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
Didn't mean to repeat the last sentence. |
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HeidiLore
User ID: 189230
2/2/2007 1:43 AM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
Thank you for the informative links, guys.
Visit my website...
[link to heidi-lore.tripod.com]
Need to email? heidilore@gmail.com
Visit the GLP video site and click on groups:
[link to youtube.com]
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The only difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is the velocities with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door. That's the only difference.
I believe I can see the future, 'cause I repeat the same routine. I think I used to have a purpose, but then again, it might have been a dream |
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Socio-Cultural Anthropologist
User ID: 190024
2/2/2007 2:04 AM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
Socio-Cultural Anthropologist here.
This thread seems like an EXCELLENT Idea!
I have long believed that in scientific enquiry, data cannot be discarded merely because they seem at odds with prevailing generalisations.
May this thread prosper in the weeks and months ahead.
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Ostria
User ID: 190028
2/2/2007 2:47 AM
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Nice idea!
My main interest is the possibility of communication between the old and the new world (as well as the pacific ocean islands) in antiquity. Misplaced artifacts, myths comparison, language similarities.
This is one informative link on ancient mariners
[link to www.ensignmessage.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 58109
2/2/2007 2:59 AM | |
TEXAS UNCENSORED
User ID: 190015
2/2/2007 3:17 AM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
The Mystery of Chaco Canyon
[link to video.google.com]
[link to www.exploratorium.edu]
The skulls are indeed unusual. Maybe remnants of the ruling families of a previous civilization, maybe descended from our ancestors in space ?
Think of the similarities in the elongated skull shapes to crowns, head apparel, and some hairstyles.
Good luck on your treks and explorations ! |
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tuuuuur
User ID: 134298
2/2/2007 3:31 AM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
I will begin with a link that includes photos, drawings and a brief description of the site of Baalbek in Iraq (from about 3,500 B.C.) where the largest known stones ever cut and moved by humans are found: [ link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]
I think you mean Baalbek in Lebanon... not Iraq. |
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i is that which i is
User ID: 155774
2/2/2007 3:40 AM
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I have been fascinated for years by tales of ancient aircraft and warfare in ancient India. There appears to be both archeological evidence and written stories about nuclear war either between men or gods, over 10,000 years ago. If we do not know our history we are doomed to repeat it.
[link to www.hinduwisdom.info]
According to Professor Dileep Kumar Kanjilal in his book, Vimana in Ancient India:
In addition to the Vaimanika Shashtra, the Samarangana Sutradhara and the Yuktikalpataru of Bhoja, there are about 150 verses of the Rig Veda, Yajurveda and the Atharvaveda, a lot of literary passages belonging to the Ramayana, the Mahabharata, the Puranas, the Bhagavata and the Raghuvamsa and some references of the darma Abhijnanasakuntalam of Kalidasa, the Abimaraka of Bhasa, the Jatalas. the Avadhana Literature and of the Kathasaritsagara and a number of literary works contained either references to graphic aerial flight or to the mechanism of the aerial vehicles used in old ages in India.
In the Ramayana both the words "Vimana" and "Ratha" have been used:
Kamagam ratham asthaya...nadanadipatim (3. 35. 6-7). He boarded the aerial vehicle with Khara which was decorated with jewels and the faces of demons and it moved with noise resembling the sonorous clouds.
You may go to your desired place after enticing Sita and I shall bring her to Lanka by air.. So Ravana and Maricha boarded the aerial vehicle resembling a palace (Vimana) from that hermitage.
Then the demoness brought the Puspaka aerial vehicle and placed Sita on it by bringing her from the Ashoka forest and she was made to see the battle field with Trijata.
This aerial vehicle marked with Swan soared into the sky with loud noise.
Reference to Flying vehicles as Vimana occur in the Mahabharata in about 41 places of which the air attack of Salva on Krisna's capital Dwaraka deserve special notice. The Asura king Salva had an aerial flying machine known as Saubha-pura in which he came to attack Dwaraka. He began to shower hails, and missiles from the sky. As Krishna chased him he went near the sea and landed in the high seas. Then he came back again with his flying machine and gave a tough fight to Krishna staying about one Krosa (about 4,000 ft) above the ground level. Krishna at last threw a powerful ground-to-air weapon which hit the plane in the middle and broke it into pieces. The damaged flying machine fell into the seas. This vivid description of the air attack occurs in the Bhagavata also. We also come across the following references to missiles, armaments, sophisticated war-machines and mechanical contrivances as well as to Vimanas in Mahabharata.
Also: [link to www.main.org]
[link to www.atributetohinduism.com]
[link to www.geocities.com]
[link to www.veling.nl]
Peace 
"I am not afraid to stand alone, but it's always more fun if I have friends standing with me." Lena Coleon. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 65489
2/2/2007 6:28 AM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
so many mysteries makes it hard to get your arms around them all to draw a meaningful conclusion other than the fact that our history books are all wrong.
rise and fall is obvious. how many times and by whom is the question. |
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ETLF
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2/2/2007 7:20 AM | |
Pathfinder
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2/2/2007 7:23 AM
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www.s8int.com is quite good... |
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Duncan Kunz
The Debunker King
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2/2/2007 7:58 AM
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I am not an archaeologist, but have been to places like Palenque, Chichen Itza, Cahal Pech, and Xunantunich on several occasions. I live in the southwest as well (Mesa AZ), and have visited quite a few Hohokam and Sinagua sites.
I would certainly like to learn more about Mesoamerican archaeology, especially with some serious investigation about possible cultural diffusion between the Old and New Worlds. In particular, I'd like to see if there are any paleolingistic correlations between Old World and New World languages.
I've been to Ngiwal AND Melekeok! |
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Christopher Powell
User ID: 190127
2/2/2007 9:07 AM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
I haven’t had time to visit Godlike for some days and this morning I see this thread has revived itself and is pinned. Sixteen “Crap” votes though. Ouch. But there are 25 responses by interested posters so let’s see what good can come of this. I will spend this morning reading the posts and links and responding to them briefly. I will start with the latest post and work my way back.
Muy Buenos dies a todos.
Christopher |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 190142
2/2/2007 9:46 AM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
I am not an archaeologist, but have been to places like Palenque, Chichen Itza, Cahal Pech, and Xunantunich on several occasions. I live in the southwest as well (Mesa AZ), and have visited quite a few Hohokam and Sinagua sites.
I would certainly like to learn more about Mesoamerican archaeology, especially with some serious investigation about possible cultural diffusion between the Old and New Worlds. In particular, I'd like to see if there are any paleolingistic correlations between Old World and New World languages. Quoting: Duncan Kunz
Good morning Duncun Kunz.
There are few archaeo-linguistic studies out there that explore possible links between Old World and New World languages. Most linguists do not take this seriously because the general assumption is that the language groups came to the Americas some 11 to 12,000 years ago when the Paleolithic hunters followed the big game into Alaska from N/E Asia and worked their way south during the Pleistocene /Holocene interglacial period.
There are exceptions to this assumption in my opinion and a closer look at more recent possible linguistic ties between Old and New worlds cultures would be worth a try.
Some possible links have been explored, for example, similarities between Navaho and Basque languages have been noted. I am sorry that I can’t remember where I read this. And there are also some intriguing similarities noted between a suite of Sumerian words and Quechua words in Peru. There is a fellow named Zacheria Sitchin who has some who has explored these linguistic similarities along with some other, much wilder, ideas about contact between the Old and New worlds.
A cautionary note though. Linguists often doubt the significance of their own observations of word similarities between languages. It is a tricky field of study and I am not an expert. |
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CP
User ID: 190160
2/2/2007 10:33 AM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
ETLF,
If that is a unretouched photo then someone's got some splanin to do. If I had found that on planet earth I would call it a rock cairn made by humans. Wow! |
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CP
User ID: 190160
2/2/2007 10:39 AM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
so many mysteries makes it hard to get your arms around them all to draw a meaningful conclusion other than the fact that our history books are all wrong.
rise and fall is obvious. how many times and by whom is the question. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65489
Good point and good question AC 65489. If we can weed out the spurious claims we can at least see these mysteries in a clearer light and maybe even answer a few questions. |
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Wallywonka
User ID: 112255
2/2/2007 10:48 AM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
How did Hoagland miss this? Amazing!!!! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 190127
2/2/2007 10:55 AM | | Re: Enigmatic Archaeology | Quote |
I have been fascinated for years by tales of ancient aircraft and warfare in ancient India. There appears to be both archeological evidence and written stories about nuclear war either between men or gods, over 10,000 years ago. If we do not know our history we are doomed to repeat it.
[ link to www.hinduwisdom.info]
According to Professor Dileep Kumar Kanjilal in his book, Vimana in Ancient India:
In addition to the Vaimanika Shashtra, the Samarangana Sutradhara and the Yuktikalpataru of Bhoja, there are about 150 verses of the Rig Veda, Yajurveda and the Atharvaveda, a lot of literary passages belonging to the Ramayana, the Mahabharata, the Puranas, the Bhagavata and the Raghuvamsa and some references of the darma Abhijnanasakuntalam of Kalidasa, the Abimaraka of Bhasa, the Jatalas. the Avadhana Literature and of the Kathasaritsagara and a number of literary works contained either references to graphic aerial flight or to the mechanism of the aerial vehicles used in old ages in India.
In the Ramayana both the words "Vimana" and "Ratha" have been used:
Kamagam ratham asthaya...nadanadipatim (3. 35. 6-7). He boarded the aerial vehicle with Khara which was decorated with jewels and the faces of demons and it moved with noise resembling the sonorous clouds.
You may go to your desired place after enticing Sita and I shall bring her to Lanka by air.. So Ravana and Maricha boarded the aerial vehicle resembling a palace (Vimana) from that hermitage.
Then the demoness brought the Puspaka aerial vehicle and placed Sita on it by bringing her from the Ashoka forest and she was made to see the battle field with Trijata.
This aerial vehicle marked with Swan soared into the sky with loud noise.
Reference to Flying vehicles as Vimana occur in the Mahabharata in about 41 places of which the air attack of Salva on Krisna's capital Dwaraka deserve special notice. The Asura king Salva had an aerial flying machine known as Saubha-pura in which he came to attack Dwaraka. He began to shower hails, and missiles from the sky. As Krishna chased him he went near the sea and landed in the high seas. Then he came back again with his flying machine and gave a tough fight to Krishna staying about one Krosa (about 4,000 ft) above the ground level. Krishna at last threw a powerful ground-to-air weapon which hit the plane in the middle and broke it into pieces. The damaged flying machine fell into the seas. This vivid description of the air attack occurs in the Bhagavata also. We also come across the following references to missiles, armaments, sophisticated war-machines and mechanical contrivances as well as to Vimanas in Mahabharata.
Also: [ link to www.main.org]
[ link to www.atributetohinduism.com]
[ link to www.geocities.com]
[ link to www.veling.nl]
Peace Quoting: i is that which i is
Thank you for sharing this I is what I is,
I have read some of this material and am impressed with the technical detail of their accounts. I have also read some accounts of vitrified ruins in India that were claimed to be radioactive. Sorry that I cannot confirm any of this. Later I will try to find an article I once read about these ruins. Very intriguing! |
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