If you belong to a Home Owner's Association, can you recognize the illusion/deception?

Property taxes pay for those things.

Normal HOA fees are to maintain common areas, lawn care, etc.

The services being paid for are normally listed somewhere, there's no deliberate deception.

If your premise is that the people you mention; firefighters, police, etc. are somehow providing those services during their free time you're missing the point.

Larry,
you said property taxes pay for those things....is this somewhere written in the contractual agreement, or is this something you implanted in your thoughts and believe in it?

You still don't recognize the deception.

Where are the receipts the Homeowners are suppose to receive for "proof of purchase"?

Can you show me?

Larry, I will point out the deception...

Taechers "create" their own paychecks.

Firemen "create" their own paychecks.

Trash collectors "create" their own paychecks.

Every working professional is "creating" a paycheck while they work.

We do not pay for each others skill and labor because skill and labor pays for itself!

Our paychecks are "created into existence through working!

We each have been given a Social Security "Account" Number.

We create value for the credits/numbers contained in this account, then at the end of each week, these account numbers/credits will have value, thus be given to us in the form of a paycheck, also known as a "pay coupon", then we take this pay coupon to the Bank to have it turned into currency.

Property tax is ground rent. We do not truly "own" the land even if we truly own the house, thus, we forever pay ground rent.

"This land is your land, this land is my land...is just another song filled with mockery.

Last Edited by Donny Boy on 10/29/2016 09:25 AM

Larry is correct. Local taxes pay the things you're talking about. HOAs don't have any ability to pay the people you mentioned. They are paid by local government like a county, not an HOA. I used to belong to one and they just paid for maintaining the "community" and nothing else.

Let me add I disagree with them and think they're communist. That's why I don't belong to one now. I moved to where there wasn't one.

Another idiot posting like he knows something and he can't even get the basic facts straight. Someone needs to bomb this thread.

I think you just did.

Were you just born retarded, or did you have a brain injury late in life?

If your HOA says they pay for teachers, firemen,police, they are probably full of shit.

Ask for proof of those 3 things.

Also living where you are subject to an HOA is bad over all.

If Lary is correct, can you help me where to look where I can find "proof of purchase"...receipts that confirm this?

Meaning...is there something everyone receives explaining this is what the local taxes are being used for?

Last Edited by Donny Boy on 10/29/2016 11:12 AM

You talk to the idiots in the board of your HOA.
Better: Get yourself ONTO the board at this HOA.
Best: Move to where there is no HOA.

Yes, I like....getting in, disect what the incoming cash is really being used for, then demand the HOA provide "proof of purchase" receipts to homeowners

First, I apologize for any misunderstanding concerning who collects for what, such as HOA dues or local taxes and what they supposedly pay for.

I dont want the main reason for creating this thread to be lost...
What I am trying to convey to the reader is...we do not pay for each others time/energy/skill and labor, that is just ridiculous to believe.

Either we are led to believe HOA is paying the Trash Collection Company or led to believe local taxes is collected to pay for teachers, road workers and so on...

The point Im trying to make is, we create our own paycheck while we work. The value for our paycheck is being supplied by our own time/energy/skill and labor, not somebody else's!

We work, we create value resulting in a paycheck at the end of each week, in turn, we are given a paycheck (or pay coupon), we then take this pay check/pay coupon to the bank and exchange it for the currency.

If we had to pay for firemen, teachers etc...then firemen and teachers would be paid with cash, not a paycheck or pay coupon that is later turned into cash.

Firemen and teachers carry their own value, they don't need the value we use to create a paycheck to pay for their paycheck, it doesn't even make sense!

But through semantics, our minds have been trained to believe taxes are collect to pay for these Professionals, even though its not written down anywhere!!

We just believe it, so we continue to pay the taxes thinking "well, firemen need to get paid to, they are not going to work for free"
With this mentality, you will not recognize firemen go to work, and apply theirs skills creating their own paycheck the same way you do!

We each carry value WITHIN...our skills that will result in a paycheck when we apply these skills at our Job.

Doctors create their own paychecks

Vets create their own paychecks

Nurses create their own paychecks

Auto mechanics create their own paychecks

CAN YOU SEE???

We have been fooled into belieivng cash from our paycheck needs to be collected to pay for someone else's paycheck, and that is BOLONY!!!!

Folks, you need to wake up to this cash collecting deception, because it only gets worse and you dont argue because you think your cash is going to a good cause (ie: paying firemen etc...)

Last Edited by Donny Boy on 10/30/2016 12:25 PM

I have no idea why but I'll try one more time.

If I go to a doctor and the doctor provides a service, the doctor sends me a bill. The bill is his price for services rendered which obviously include his expertise as a physician.

The bill is a record he creates; call it an invoice. He keeps a copy, sends me my copy.

I write a check, perhaps use a credit card, maybe stop by his office and pay cash in the amount of the invoice.

I get a receipt from him that acknowledges the invoice has been paid in full.

Transaction is complete. He has a record of it, I have a record of it.

Your HOA is subject, or should be, to audit. And they are responsible to provide let's say an annual report that summarizes all the transactions over the course of the year. They do this in a "lump sum" which is arrived at by adding up all the transactions for which records exist in their office that took place in a particular expense or revenue category.

If they paid $100 per month for trash collection they'd typically simply show one number on the annual report that says Trash Collection Expenses: $1,200.00. They have the record of each of the transactions in their HOA files. So does the trash collection company for their account with your HOA.

It's called accounting. It happens millions of times each day all across the US.

The Doctor is not providing you the Service...the clinic is. The Doctor is providing the skill/labor for the Service provided by the clinic.

The Doctor has skills that provide value for the pay check/pay coupon he is creating while working, therefore, what they collect from you, is being collected for profit while they have you believe you are paying the Doctor.
But don't take my word for it...do you get a receipt showing in detail you are paying for the Doctors time/energy/skill and labor?? I doubt it.

Likewise, we don't get a receipt showing we are paying for trash collectors or firemen or teachers (etc...) time/energy/skill and labor, chances are, the taxes collected we beleive are being collected to pay these professionals, is being collected for profit. After all, this is Corporate America, is it not?

It's very clear to me that you believe you live in a totally literal world. Nothing that I, or anyone else, can say will alter your preconceived notions. You're entitled to your world view as is each of us. I've tried to be helpful and to no effect. I wish you good day, sir.

And for your information, not all doctors work in a clinic setting, some still work independently. I know you may choose not to believe it but it's true.

Last Edited by Larry D. Croc on 11/01/2016 12:04 PM