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| Green Man
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1/25/2007 10:35 PM
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[link to www.defenselink.mil]
The Department of Defense announced today the death of 12 soldiers who were supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. They died in Baghdad, Iraq, on Jan. 20, when the UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter they were in crashed.
Killed were:
Col. Brian D. Allgood, 46, of Oklahoma, who was assigned to the 30th Medical Brigade, Europe Regional Medical Command, Heidelberg, Germany.
Staff Sgt. Darryl D. Booker, 37, of Midlothian, Va., who was assigned to the 29th Infantry Division, Virginia Army National Guard, Sandston, Va.
Sgt. 1st Class John G. Brown, 43, of Little Rock, Ark., who was assigned to the Arkansas Army National Guard’s 1st Battalion, 185th Aviation Regiment (Air Assault), 77th Aviation Brigade, Camp Robinson, Ark.
Lt. Col. David C. Canegata III, 50, of St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands, who was assigned to the Virgin Islands Army National Guard, Christiansted, U.S. Virgin Islands.
Command Sgt. Maj. Marilyn L. Gabbard, 46, of Polk City, Iowa, who was assigned to Joint Forces Headquarters, Iowa Army National Guard, Camp Dodge, Johnston, Iowa.
Command Sgt. Maj. Roger W. Haller, 49, of Davidsonville, Md., who was assigned to the 70th Regiment, Regional Training Institute - Maryland, Maryland Army National Guard, Reisterstown, Md.
Col. Paul M. Kelly, 45, of Stafford, Va., who was assigned to the Joint Force Headquarters of the Virginia Army National Guard in Blackstone, Va.
Sgt. 1st Class Floyd E. Lake, 43, of St. Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands, who was assigned to the Virgin Islands Army National Guard, Christiansted, U.S. Virgin Islands.
Cpl. Victor M. Langarica, 29, of Decatur, Ga., who was assigned to the 86th Signal Battalion, Fort Huachuca, Ariz.
Capt. Sean E. Lyerly, 31, of Pflugerville, Texas., who was assigned to the Texas Army National Guard’s 36th Combat Aviation Brigade, 36th Infantry Division, Austin, Texas.
Maj. Michael V. Taylor, 40, of North Little Rock, Ark., who was assigned to the Arkansas Army National Guard’s 1st Battalion, 185th Aviation Regiment (Air Assault), 77th Aviation Brigade, Camp Robinson, Ark.
1st Sgt. William T. Warren, 48, of North Little Rock, Ark., who was assigned to the Arkansas Army National Guard’s 1st Battalion, 185th Aviation Regiment (Air Assault), 77th Aviation Brigade, Camp Robinson, Ark.
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2 Colonels
1 Lieutenant Colonel
1 Major
1 Captain
2 Command Sergeant Majors
1 First Sergeant
1 Sergeant First Class
2 Staff Sergeants
1 Corporal
All but one Colonel and the corporal being indicated as part of a National Guard unit.
Can anyone with military experience comment on this? Is it normal for THAT MANY officers to be packed into one Black Hawk in a war zone? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 91904
1/25/2007 10:37 PM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
[ link to www.defenselink.mil]
The Department of Defense announced today the death of 12 soldiers who were supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom. They died in Baghdad, Iraq, on Jan. 20, when the UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter they were in crashed.
Killed were:
Col. Brian D. Allgood, 46, of Oklahoma, who was assigned to the 30th Medical Brigade, Europe Regional Medical Command, Heidelberg, Germany.
Staff Sgt. Darryl D. Booker, 37, of Midlothian, Va., who was assigned to the 29th Infantry Division, Virginia Army National Guard, Sandston, Va.
Sgt. 1st Class John G. Brown, 43, of Little Rock, Ark., who was assigned to the Arkansas Army National Guard’s 1st Battalion, 185th Aviation Regiment (Air Assault), 77th Aviation Brigade, Camp Robinson, Ark.
Lt. Col. David C. Canegata III, 50, of St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands, who was assigned to the Virgin Islands Army National Guard, Christiansted, U.S. Virgin Islands.
Command Sgt. Maj. Marilyn L. Gabbard, 46, of Polk City, Iowa, who was assigned to Joint Forces Headquarters, Iowa Army National Guard, Camp Dodge, Johnston, Iowa.
Command Sgt. Maj. Roger W. Haller, 49, of Davidsonville, Md., who was assigned to the 70th Regiment, Regional Training Institute - Maryland, Maryland Army National Guard, Reisterstown, Md.
Col. Paul M. Kelly, 45, of Stafford, Va., who was assigned to the Joint Force Headquarters of the Virginia Army National Guard in Blackstone, Va.
Sgt. 1st Class Floyd E. Lake, 43, of St. Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands, who was assigned to the Virgin Islands Army National Guard, Christiansted, U.S. Virgin Islands.
Cpl. Victor M. Langarica, 29, of Decatur, Ga., who was assigned to the 86th Signal Battalion, Fort Huachuca, Ariz.
Capt. Sean E. Lyerly, 31, of Pflugerville, Texas., who was assigned to the Texas Army National Guard’s 36th Combat Aviation Brigade, 36th Infantry Division, Austin, Texas.
Maj. Michael V. Taylor, 40, of North Little Rock, Ark., who was assigned to the Arkansas Army National Guard’s 1st Battalion, 185th Aviation Regiment (Air Assault), 77th Aviation Brigade, Camp Robinson, Ark.
1st Sgt. William T. Warren, 48, of North Little Rock, Ark., who was assigned to the Arkansas Army National Guard’s 1st Battalion, 185th Aviation Regiment (Air Assault), 77th Aviation Brigade, Camp Robinson, Ark.
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2 Colonels
1 Lieutenant Colonel
1 Major
1 Captain
2 Command Sergeant Majors
1 First Sergeant
1 Sergeant First Class
2 Staff Sergeants
1 Corporal
All but one Colonel and the corporal being indicated as part of a National Guard unit.
Can anyone with military experience comment on this? Is it normal for THAT MANY officers to be packed into one Black Hawk in a war zone?
i am not involved in the military... but it would seem very silly to put so many officers together in a helicopter above the most dangerous city on earth.
but im sure there was some reason... |
| Rev. Star Gazer
User ID: 187078
1/25/2007 10:39 PM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
"The lunatic is on the grass
The lunatic is on the grass
Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs
Got to keep the loonies on the path..." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 118161
1/25/2007 10:40 PM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
What did they die for again? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 170958
1/25/2007 10:43 PM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
They apparently did not like the Bush plan! |
| Rev. Star Gazer
User ID: 187078
1/25/2007 10:43 PM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
Gonna pin this for you Green Man until you get an answer 'cause that's a damn good question!
"The lunatic is on the grass
The lunatic is on the grass
Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs
Got to keep the loonies on the path..." |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 186675
1/25/2007 10:47 PM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
They apparently did not like the Bush plan! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 170958
And made the mistake of saying so . .
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| Green Man
User ID: 108824 (OP)
1/25/2007 10:50 PM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
Thanks for the pin, RevSG. I thought my post got lost, then I found it at the top! Egad!
I ran across this on a diary on dailykos.
The original link looks legit.
This had to be a significant fraction of the National Guard officers in Baghdad. Taken out in one shot.
Very strange. Somebody must have leaked the intel about the flight to the insurgency. I find it hard to believe it was just a lucky shot. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 105644
1/25/2007 10:59 PM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
wow thats major duty |
| i hear muppets
User ID: 183375
1/25/2007 11:00 PM | | Anonymous Coward
User ID: 187097
1/25/2007 11:06 PM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
They apparently did not like the Bush plan!
And made the mistake of saying so . .
who the hell is pretending to be me?
 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 52939
1/25/2007 11:08 PM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
Is Bush the Commander in Chief? Would happen under his swing. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 187101
1/25/2007 11:12 PM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
american management, how many officers does it take to screw in a light bulb..... |
| God's Shadow
User ID: 168506
1/25/2007 11:13 PM
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All but one Colonel and the corporal being indicated as part of a National Guard unit.
Can anyone with military experience comment on this? Is it normal for THAT MANY officers to be packed into one Black Hawk in a war zone? Quoting: Green Man 108824
The real question is where they were coming from and heading to? |
| Green Man
User ID: 108824 (OP)
1/25/2007 11:39 PM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
[link to www.globalsecurity.org]
A US forces Blackhawk helicopter went down northeast of Baghdad at approximately 3 p.m. Jan. 20.
Twelve American Soldiers, which included eight passengers and four crewmembers, were aboard the aircraft and all were killed. |
| MHz
User ID: 117556
1/25/2007 11:48 PM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
I wonder if you can turn down a battlefield promotion? ie to tommy gunner since the other one has just died in the performance of his duty. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 186856
1/25/2007 11:58 PM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
Await the mutiny. |
| DOLE
User ID: 186159
1/26/2007 12:09 AM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
FRIENDly fire......in wolf's clothes.   |
| ashesand sackcloth
User ID: 182
1/26/2007 12:18 AM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
Sounds real familiar dosn't it.
Great post OP.
Booner |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 21470
1/26/2007 12:25 AM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
National Guardman are expendable.
Weekend Warriors.
When i joined the guard and went to basic training in Ft Benning we were called No Go`s, since we wouldnt be called to go to war. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 186996
1/26/2007 12:32 AM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
The lady from Iowa was only supposed to be there for 6 months!!! She was coming home in May.
One of her nieces goes to my sons school. She hasn't been in school all week. It was her moms twin sister.
This is all so senseless!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 180215
1/26/2007 12:32 AM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
That really isn't "Lots of Brass". When you talk about officers you are only talking about the Colonels, Lt. Colonels, Major, Captain, and Luetenant, anything below these ranks are enlisted personnel and not Brass. Please don't misunderstand me I am not in any way attempting to deminish the value of any one of these people in any way, the Airman, Corporal, Sergeant, or the Colonel are equal humans. But, when someone is attempting to emphasize a point and uses and the term Brass, it typically refers to officer personnel. Sounds like a staff meeting. The Colonels, Lt. Colonels, and even the major, and very possibly in war the captain too are usually commanders of differently named units of anywhere from 300-500 or as much as 3,000-5,000 troops depending on total force strents. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 180215
1/26/2007 12:37 AM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
P.S. looking again, there are probably two of those officers, captain and major that were crew members of the copter. Then there were probably 2 or three of the seargents the complete the copter crew. Hmmm, looks even more like those birds were attenting a staff meeting and maybe even had a Exec. Officer, the Major, with one and the two Command Sergeant Majors. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 180215
1/26/2007 12:38 AM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
sorry, that should read "strengths". |
| Evil Twin  
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1/26/2007 12:42 AM
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P.S. looking again, there are probably two of those officers, captain and major that were crew members of the copter. Then there were probably 2 or three of the seargents the complete the copter crew. Hmmm, looks even more like those birds were attenting a staff meeting and maybe even had a Exec. Officer, the Major, with one and the two Command Sergeant Majors. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 180215
Yep.
To visualize the coming apocalypse, imagine, if you will, Oprah & Rosie O'Donnell wrestling for the last rib at an all-you can-eat Bar-B-Q... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 186996
1/26/2007 12:42 AM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
One of those sergeant majors, Marilyn, started out as a private & worked her way up. She was the only lady to attain that level of command. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 180215
1/26/2007 12:43 AM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
Its been a long time but I would think they wouldn't fly two colonels on the same aircraft in a war zone? hmmmmm. |
| Green Man
User ID: 108824 (OP)
1/26/2007 12:50 AM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
Thanks for the comments, 180215. That was the sort of insight I was hoping to get.
My own military experience is limited to reruns of Hogan's Heroes.
Given that they were pretty much all National Guard, and it was 3pm., I was assuming they were travelling to or from a meeting.
It just seemed really strange to me that, as you say, in a war zone they would risk that many officers in one transport.
Maybe it is as simple as the Guard not getting much priority when helicopters are getting handed out. |
| Normal Is Subjective
User ID: 187131
1/26/2007 1:03 AM
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Who were the civilians in the chopper?
I thought I'd beat the inevitibility of death to death just a little bit. |
| MOSSAD
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1/26/2007 1:08 AM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
[link to judicial-inc.biz] No Doubt This Crash Was Sabotage
Only a total fool couldn't see this was Mossad
Helicopters Attacked High Rises In Retaliation
If Patton Were In Command
Patton would court martial half the staff, and arrest every embedded Israeli in that command. This helicopter was carrying a Lt Col., two regular Colonels, a Major, two Command Sergeants, a Captain, and five high ranking Non-Coms.
The odds of that copter being shot down, with those officers, one day before a major offensive are a 10,000 to 1. Then combine that with the other mystery bombs on two other groups of high ranking officers, that brings the odds to 100,000 to 1.
Finally, on the same day five Blackwater Mercs are executed with shots to the head. This identical pattern occurred prior to four other major offensives, 1, 2, 3, 4.
Two colonels, one lieutenant colonel and two command sergeants major were among the 12 soldiers killed last weekend in a Black Hawk helicopter crash northeast of Baghdad, the Pentagon said. It appeared to be the largest number of key officers and command sergeants killed in a single incident during since the Iraq war started nearly four years ago.
The U.S. command has not said why so many key officers were aboard a single helicopter, which went down Saturday in Diyala province, one of the flashpoints of the Iraq conflict.
Col. Brian D. Allgood Lt. Col. David C. Canegata Command Sgt. Maj. Roger W. Haller
Command Sgt. Maj. Marilyn L. Gabbard
Col. Paul M. Kelly
Sgt. 1st Class John Gary Brown,
1st Sgt. William T. Warren Maj. Michael V. Taylor
Others killed in the crash included;; Capt. Sean E. Lyerly of the Texas National Guard; ; Staff Sgt. Darryl D. Booker of the Virginia National Guard; Sgt. 1st Class John Brown of the Arkansas National Guard; Staff Sgt. Floyd E. Lake of the Virgin Islands National Guard; and Cpl. Victor Langarica, 29, of the 86th Signal Battalion, Fort Huachuca, Ariz. |
| Anonymous Coward
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1/26/2007 1:11 AM | | Re: Lots of Brass in that Helicopter that Went Down | Quote |
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