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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 109229 United States11/08/2016 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP.....forgive me for pointing out the obvious here........but crosses are made out of wood........and trees are wood. Quoting: Lisa*Lisa So technically, He hung on a tree. There is no "gotcha moment" here. None of the verses in the OT refers to a crucifixion. They refer to hangings not crosses. OMG......you don't sit on a cross, you don't stand on a cross, you HANG ON A CROSS. This isn't rocket science OP. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73187538 United States11/08/2016 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP.....forgive me for pointing out the obvious here........but crosses are made out of wood........and trees are wood. Quoting: Lisa*Lisa So technically, He hung on a tree. There is no "gotcha moment" here. None of the verses in the OT refers to a crucifixion. They refer to hangings not crosses. OMG......you don't sit on a cross, you don't stand on a cross, you HANG ON A CROSS. This isn't rocket science OP. The actual verse that Paul quoted means hang on a tree not a cross, sorry. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 109229 United States11/08/2016 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP.....forgive me for pointing out the obvious here........but crosses are made out of wood........and trees are wood. Quoting: Lisa*Lisa So technically, He hung on a tree. There is no "gotcha moment" here. None of the verses in the OT refers to a crucifixion. They refer to hangings not crosses. OMG......you don't sit on a cross, you don't stand on a cross, you HANG ON A CROSS. This isn't rocket science OP. The actual verse that Paul quoted means hang on a tree not a cross, sorry. A cross is wood........wood is a tree!  |
Monotheism  User ID: 73065456  Sweden11/08/2016 06:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 22 “And if a man has committed a crime punishable by death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23 his body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is cursed by God. You shall not defile your land that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance. Deuteronomy 21:22-23 |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73187538 United States11/08/2016 06:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73187538 None of the verses in the OT refers to a crucifixion. They refer to hangings not crosses. OMG......you don't sit on a cross, you don't stand on a cross, you HANG ON A CROSS. This isn't rocket science OP. The actual verse that Paul quoted means hang on a tree not a cross, sorry. A cross is wood........wood is a tree! Yes but it is a death by hanging not a crucifixion. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 109229 United States11/08/2016 06:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Lisa*Lisa OMG......you don't sit on a cross, you don't stand on a cross, you HANG ON A CROSS. This isn't rocket science OP. The actual verse that Paul quoted means hang on a tree not a cross, sorry. A cross is wood........wood is a tree! Yes but it is a death by hanging not a crucifixion. You HANG on a cross op. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73187538 United States11/08/2016 06:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73187538 The actual verse that Paul quoted means hang on a tree not a cross, sorry. A cross is wood........wood is a tree! Yes but it is a death by hanging not a crucifixion. You HANG on a cross op. You don't understand. I'll explain. Let's suppose that 2 persons wrote 2 New Testaments. One Author says that Jesus was hanged on a wooden cross. The other author says that Jesus was hanged on a wooden window. Both authors quoted the same verse to support it: Deu 21:23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance. Who you'll believe? You see? They both spiritualized the text. None of them said that he was hanged on a tree, like the text says. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73187538 United States11/08/2016 06:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What point is the author of Galatians trying to make anyway? Quoting: Monotheism 22 “And if a man has committed a crime punishable by death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23 his body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is cursed by God. You shall not defile your land that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance. Deuteronomy 21:22-23 Maybe he was on heavy drugs. |
| Monotheism User ID: 73065456 Sweden11/08/2016 07:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What point is the author of Galatians trying to make anyway? Quoting: Monotheism 22 “And if a man has committed a crime punishable by death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23 his body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is cursed by God. You shall not defile your land that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance. Deuteronomy 21:22-23 Maybe he was on heavy drugs. Not entirely unlikely. Galatians was the most important epistle according to Marcion. |
| Monotheism User ID: 73065456 Sweden11/08/2016 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What point is the author of Galatians trying to make anyway? Quoting: Monotheism 22 “And if a man has committed a crime punishable by death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23 his body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is cursed by God. You shall not defile your land that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance. Deuteronomy 21:22-23 Here's another example of such ridiculous exegesis. For concerning the righteousness that is by the Law, Moses writes: “The man who does these things will live by them.”a 6But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’b (that is, to bring Christ down) 7or, ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’c (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” Romans 10:6-7 Even the Bible commentators notes: "The original meaning of the passage is this: Moses, near the end of his life, having given his commandments to the Israelites exhorts them to obedience. To do this, he assures them that his commands are reasonable, plain, intelligible, and accessible." Barnes' Notes on the Bible These words are not properly a citation of Deuteronomy 30:12; but the apostle makes use of some phrases which are there, with his own explications of them; Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible The original of the quotation has, indeed, a quite different application. Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73187538 United States11/08/2016 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What point is the author of Galatians trying to make anyway? Quoting: Monotheism 22 “And if a man has committed a crime punishable by death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23 his body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is cursed by God. You shall not defile your land that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance. Deuteronomy 21:22-23 Maybe he was on heavy drugs. Not entirely unlikely. Galatians was the most important epistle according to Marcion. How did he read Galatians if the NT was written in the 4th century? They were planning of writing the NT or it really existed. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73187538 United States11/08/2016 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What point is the author of Galatians trying to make anyway? Quoting: Monotheism 22 “And if a man has committed a crime punishable by death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23 his body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is cursed by God. You shall not defile your land that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance. Deuteronomy 21:22-23 Here's another example of such ridiculous exegesis. For concerning the righteousness that is by the Law, Moses writes: “The man who does these things will live by them.”a 6But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’b (that is, to bring Christ down) 7or, ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’c (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” Romans 10:6-7 Even the Bible commentators notes: "The original meaning of the passage is this: Moses, near the end of his life, having given his commandments to the Israelites exhorts them to obedience. To do this, he assures them that his commands are reasonable, plain, intelligible, and accessible." Barnes' Notes on the Bible These words are not properly a citation of Deuteronomy 30:12; but the apostle makes use of some phrases which are there, with his own explications of them; Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible The original of the quotation has, indeed, a quite different application. Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers I was googling about galatians and wikipedia has this image: [link to pt.wikipedia.org (secure)] So funny, the exact image of Paul, a ****** greek philosopher. |
| Flapjacks User ID: 27271450 United States11/08/2016 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are in need of a Jesus trusting and loving bible teacher/preacher to teach you. Teachingfaith.com is a very good one. All their content is free. Start with a series titled, 'change of mind'. That will get you on the right path in being properly taught,as well as...saving your soul. |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73187538 United States11/08/2016 07:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no doubt that in the days of the judicial process of Jesus, that a judgement was strictly prohibited on sabbaths, festivals and preparation days. The register of the synoptics regarding the judgement of Jesus in the sanhedrim looks incompatible with the rule required by the Law. |
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