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I Apologize: Christians ARE responsible for ALL Evil and Suffering in the World.
I have been debating in two other threads with two staunch Christians who are strong in their faith in Christ and are standing on their highly informed POSITIONS in Christ, by God's Grace. And yet I have debated with both of them concerning this denial-mind construct ( I sometimes call the bad wolf ) and the IMPORTANCE of OBEDIENCE to God's Voice for all people, Christians and non-Christians.
As I was preparing to microwave some Progresso soup for my Moms, the Holy Spirit said to me ( YES I hear God's Voice ), that the Christians are responsible for ALL the Evil and Suffering in the World. I replied, "All?". Answer: Yes All.
Before I share the explanation that the Holy Spirit showed me, I want this thread to be my apology to all the Christian bashers and bashing that has been prevelant lately on GLP. If it were not for this controversy then I would not have been drawn to hear about this issue from the Holy Spirit.
God explains to us that because of the denial-mind construct, all human beings who are not obeying God for their life's destiny, are, BY DEFAULT, obeying either the denial-mind construct, or their own will's reasoning, which is less than God's best (righteousness) for their life. The result, is the world we have today.
Pro 29:2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn. Quoting: Bible 55555
To understand this concept better, just think about it a little. If every person, or even some of the people who profess faith in Jesus Christ would ALSO be obeying God's Voice, then the world would be different. Notice the very next verse in the book of Proverbs ( Wisdom sayings ).
Pro 29:3 Whoso loveth wisdom rejoiceth his father: but he that keepeth company with harlots spendeth his substance. Quoting: Bible 55555
The person who LOVES to HEAR the Wisdom of the Holy Spirit's voice (words) rejoices of knowing the Father like Jesus did. But all the other people who keep company with the denial-mind, here seen as a harlot, they waste their soul (substance). The only thing of substance or worth that we are born with, is our own soul. We are to MARRY our soul to Christ and hear His voice and choose to obey, which brings JOY and the ASSURANCE that we are one (saved) with the Father. But instead, we marry the denial-mind, a harlot, make our soul a harlot, obeying other voices and not the voice of our Husband which is Christ. Many of you understand the analogy used throughout the Bible of our soul being a 'she' and that we are to be the CHASTE, VIRGIN, Bride of Christ - the only way to be this is to OBEY the Voice of God.
So... I apologize to the christian bashers for their desire to bash people who claim to be christians, and even for admonishing us that we are responsible for all the world's evils. But I do NOT apologize or detract that Jesus existed and is our Saviour and is the ONLY MAN who spoke and acted from obeying God's voice and not the voice of the denial-mind, which enabled Jesus the man born in Nazareth to fullfill His life's destiny, and become our Saviour by defeating the Death cycle setup by the Evil-Mind-Beings in the Void.
So although the bashers are right that christians have failed to OBEY God's Voice, they are wrong in saying that Jesus' sacrifice is not real. Jesus has ENABLED all people to RESIST the denial=mind's temptations and Jesus has given us the Voice of God in the Gift of the Mother Holy Spirit who is God the Father's Will and Wisdom (knowledge plus experience - which leads to right living that works in practice).
Christians!
FAITH PLUS OBEDIENCE TO HEARING GOD'S VOICE IS SALVATION.
If you can not hear God's Voice - Ask God to help you police your thoughts 24/7. This is advice to all people.
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On a side note:
Some of the christian bashers complained about the way christians have beat up on people trying to convert them. A christian who listens to God's voice can ask God about the person they encounter and be shown whether the person is already saved, and if not, what should be discussed to help them. The witnessing message should be tailored to the person being witnessed to - that can only be done by obedience to ASKING God what to say, and being obedient to say those things.
Christians should be able to recognize God in other people whether the other person says they are a christian or not. There are plenty of people who HEAR God's voice, obey Him, and are in His salvation process for their life, and YET, they do not call themselves christians.
One reason that all of us who aspire to know God and be like Him, fall into this trap of judging one another is that our LOVE quotient is low. If you make it a practice to police your thoughts, asking God to help you, then He can teach you about your self, and while you are learning about the nonsense you have willingly picked up from the denial mind, you will then love your self more, and realize that other people are in bondage to their denial mind. This realization increases your love quotient, for real. It is easier, for real, to forgive others, because you _understand_ that they are under the influence of their denial mind, just like you have been. It is when your love quotient grows, that you are better able to communicate with other people without judgment and in ways that are much more helpful to both parties.
Also, as God raises up His people to go about ministering, we will discover just how crucial hearing God's voice and obeying, is, to this entire endtime push to help people reconcile their souls to God. His people will be given the power and authority to forgive sins and BIND the STRONGMAN (the denial mind) in people, and those people will then be able to hear God's voice for themselves and choose to obey. God will, from then on, teach them Himself. So, some of you christians out there, who are standing on your own self-righteousness as a mental-ascent to the truth of your "POSITION" in Christ, but are in disobedience to God's voice, will actually become a HINDRANCE to the work of God, in these times. You must admit to your self, if you are in this state now, that God will do what is necessary to help you to hear His Voice, so that you can get on the right track to fullfill His perfect destiny in your life, by your own free will. However, How God needs to do this for you, might entail some suffering in the standpoint that you will have to give up your righteousness that you have created.
There are lessons in these times for all of us - and they sometimes hurt our pride. We must remember to humble ourselves to God's Voice and His ways that He will teach us, believing by faith that we can TRUST GOD for everything, including, keeping us from being deceived.
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I realized that I left something out:
I Apologize: Christians ARE responsible for ALL Evil and Suffering in the World.
People who do NOT have the power in Christ to resist the denial mind and obey God's voice, have no other result but to contribute to the evil and suffering in this world. Thus, the Christians, because they are the ONLY people with the power to effect GOOD in this world, are solely responsible.
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Surely an overstatement, but they certainly bear a sizable burden. |
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I wouldn't say all, but organized religions role in creating a certain, shall we say, blindness in the wests view about true reality is beyond argument, from the point of view of the enlightened few anyway. |
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what is perhaps equally amazing is to see someone who appears to have some insite miss the point in so many ways. Me114 I have lurked through your posts and I am still yet amazed at how close yet how far you are from personal breakthrough, I do not say this as a insult simply an observation. |
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I thought conservative nutheads that drink too much were!
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Well, you are right about the marriage, at least. This takes place when the pineal gland is activated through self directed love and compassion. By keeping the energy focused within through self love, we become in tune with a higher consciousness. I hesitate to believe one man made it all possible. We each have the ability to become a christ. You made a very good point that when we listen to our ego instead of believing we are all a part of the source and have always been intimate with god from the beginning we lose contact with who we really are. Christ epitomizes what we can attain for ourselves when we believe we are deserving of it. The feeling is indescribable and the love is immense. |
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He made a very good point, but it's not just Christians. What about Muslims and Jews and every other religious nut out there. |
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What kind of dialectic were you swallowed up by? |
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>>Some of the christian bashers complained about the way christians have beat up on people trying to convert them. A christian who listens to God's voice can ask God about the person they encounter and be shown whether the person is already saved, and if not, what should be discussed to help them. The witnessing message should be tailored to the person being witnessed to - that can only be done by obedience to ASKING God what to say, and being obedient to say those things.<<
"God" does not divide its children man does. Entropy is death, it is the act of nature to break things down to their most basic elements, to divide is to use satans tool, if you will.
The moment you place a them and us scenario into the picture you become the law of entropy in action. |
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>>>There are lessons in these times for all of us - and they sometimes hurt our pride. We must remember to humble ourselves to God's Voice and His ways that He will teach us, believing by faith that we can TRUST GOD for everything, including, keeping us from being deceived.<<<
Your energy patterns are like clay and iron. Interesting post! |
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>>Christians should be able to recognize God in other people whether the other person says they are a christian or not. There are plenty of people who HEAR God's voice, obey Him, and are in His salvation process for their life, and YET, they do not call themselves christians.<<
Here you go with the division. Allow me to rephrase that in a more truthful way without exclusion for any soul. HUMANS should be able to see the creator in ALL of CREATION! HUMANS need to learn that the CREATOR and CREATION are not seperate but interconnected. With all of your reading of the bible it seems that somehow you have gloosed over the most important parts, "What you have done to the least of my children" not the least of my christian children. The great master it seems was including humanity in his compassionate view of the world, you perhaps would do well to follow. |
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Take your fuckin' meds, kook. |
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>>Christians should be able to recognize God in other people whether the other person says they are a christian or not. There are plenty of people who HEAR God's voice, obey Him, and are in His salvation process for their life, and YET, they do not call themselves christians.<<
Here you go with the division. Allow me to rephrase that in a more truthful way without exclusion for any soul. HUMANS should be able to see the creator in ALL of CREATION! HUMANS need to learn that the CREATOR and CREATION are not seperate but interconnected. With all of your reading of the bible it seems that somehow you have gloosed over the most important parts, "What you have done to the least of my children" not the least of my christian children. The great master it seems was including humanity in his compassionate view of the world, you perhaps would do well to follow. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 163513
Allow me to apologize, I misread this statement, I sense we are saying the same thing. |
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Them SATANITS aren't doing much good, either.
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wait, let me go get some peice of nasty scripture to throw at you, maybe ill condemn you to hell as a deflection from me thinking too
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I found some supporting verses in the Bible to help us understand this business about the denial-mind attached to our flesh (which was Paul's thorn in the flesh that we have no indication that Paul ever figured it out).
Mat 12:22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
Mat 12:23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. Quoting: Bible 55555
The next verses that I want to discuss are Jesus' responses in three different books of the bible to this accusation.
Mat 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: Quoting: Bible 55555
The kingdom in our bodies, is centered on our soul. If our soul is divided against our own self, then our soul will be brought to desolation. The FACT that we have this denial-mind attacking our thoughts is the SOURCE of the division in the kingdom of our body, IF we listen to and obey it.
Mat 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? Quoting: Bible 55555
So, and Christians please notice this, the denial mind does not care if the person seeks any of the religions of this world; even christianity. Satan will not cast out the denial mind in you, obviously. As long as the denial minds of people have polluted all the religions then there is no threat from man's religions that a person will DISCOVER the presence of the denial mind that he has been listening to and obeying.
You can see right here that faith is not enough. Faith without works is dead. A person who believes that God exists, and desires to KNOW God, will seek to hear God's voice. Certainly once a person has heard the Almighty God, He will want to learn from God and will choose of his own free will to obey God, as he is taught. None of man's religions HAS to have anything to do with this possibility or process. You dont have to join any organization or do any repeat after me's; you dont have to follow any of man's rules. And you automatically come to Christ and His shed blood for your sins.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Quoting: Bible 55555
So, back to Jesus' response about casting out devils by the power of God.
Mat 12:27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Quoting: Bible 55555
This is a hard one. I had to ask God for lotsa help and explanation. These pharisees put themselves in charge of teaching the people of God the truth, so the children in these verses are the church. Jesus is saying, if it WERE true that He casts out devils by Beelzebub, if that is what you Teachers believe and teach your children, then they must be casting out devils by Beelzebub too. Which means, that the REAL DEVILS are not being cast out at all! This is what people like Benny Hinn and many other church leaders are doing; which is imparting devils to their followers. And their followers will be the judges of the leaders, when the followers find out that they have been deceived.
And then Jesus says if you let Him cast out the devils, then the kingdom of God is born within you... however you STILL need the next verses to BREAK the power of the denial mind attached to your flesh.
Mat 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man and then he will spoil his house. Quoting: Bible 55555
Here, the strong man is the denial mind. The house is your body. The goods are all the fruit you have been bearing in your soul - good or bad. So, the only way to spoil, or clear out the bad fruit you have accumulated from listening to your denial mind, is to allow Jesus' power of God to bind the influence of the denial mind over your thoughts.
Another point here. Some christians have debated with me this week and make it a point that they have, by faith, turned their personal will, over to Christ, in the POSITION that Christ's will is now their will. But I tell you now, you DO the will of whom you OBEY. Jesus does not Sin, true. So whose will is it that is responsible for the sin that christians still do? It has to be their own will. The denial mind has no will because it is mind essence only and only uses thoughts. It is always, always the will of the person's soul that does anything, in a person. The whole point is to be able to HEAR Christ's voice and CHOOSE to obey His suggestions as to what to do or how to evaluate a given situation. You are still the one whose will is responsible for what is thought and done and said.
Another thing to notice here, is that the strong man is BOUND - TIED UP, but he is not cast out. SO, in the context of Jesus discussing casting OUT EXTERNAL demons, He is also showing us that we have an internal strong man who calls OUR BODY, its HOUSE! And that we need to ask God to BIND this strong man. Can we see the fine difference?
This same incident is told in two other books in the bible, and I want to go over another one. Btw, I hope you realize that I just like to teach. (GRIN)
Luk 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
Luk 11:21 When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
Luk 11:22 But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armor wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils. Quoting: Bible 55555
This one is going to be deep. This denial mind in us, is armed with all the thoughts he needs to keep us deceived, no matter what religions we join - as Dexter explained in another thread - this 'not me' mind knows how to circumvent every effort we make to block its influence. It is armed and thinks of our own body as its palace! And all its fruits of evil are right there to condemn our soul - because we listened and obeyed - spoke and acted on its leading. You see now, the advantage it has that we do not even know it is there within us.
BUT - when a STRONGER (hallelujah for Jesus!) power, of God, who is the only One who can overcome the denial mind comes into your thought life, then God removes all the armor or disguises the denial mind hides behind.
Lets talk about these disguises. How about high intellect? Thats one of its disguises. The person says to himself, I am very smart. I can figure out what is what. Okay another one. How about religiousity, which makes the denial mind disguised as a religious spirit. With this one, the person says, I know the Word of God, I know the truth, I have faith, I know my position in Christ is of Christ only and nothing that I can do. I'm all set, I am saved, and everyone else who wants to be saved HAS to be just like me and agree with me or else they are lost.
Here is another disguise. I am not worthy. I was born in a bad situation. I have bad genes. I am handicapped. I did bad things. I can never be good. I am not smart. I am no good. Thats one of the denial mind's disguises.
Luk 11:22 But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armor wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils. Quoting: Bible 55555
God, being the STRONGER, comes in a DIVIDES THE SPOILS. This is very very telling. Anything that is still GOOD of all the stuff your soul has accumulated is SAVED. Such as, all the truth you have learned, whether christian, muslim, new age, buddhist, etc. All the smart things you have learned can be saved. But all the self-condemnation is thrown out, and all the other tricks the denial mind used on you, God will help you SORT and DIVIDE it out and off of you.... umm if you listen to God's voice and obey, learn from God, and let Him teach you Himself.
Luk 11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth. Quoting: Bible 55555
Jesus warns that if you are not obeying God's voice, then you are against Him. For example, if a christian who is disobedient to God's voice teaches other people to do the same ( ie be a christian the same way he is) , then he is scattering people AWAY from God.
Luk 11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
Luk 11:25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
Luk 11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Quoting: Bible 55555
So.. it looks here as though, if you are obeying God's voice, you will cast out devils out of people AND minister to the people in a sufficient manner that they will have the kingdom of God in their soul (they can now hear God's voice for themselves) and not be subject to demon possession ever again.
By contrast, if you are a christian going about casting out devils according to YOUR will, using the power in the name of Jesus Christ, those persons might be in danger of being worse off in the long run than they were at the first. Such is what can happen at the benny hinn meetings, etc.
Jesus truly is Savior to all people and His obedience resulted in God making available the free gift of His Holy Spirit to empower us to resist the denial mind and conform our will, in practice, to the perfect will that God planned for our lives and destiny. Our free will is then made Divine, by our choosing to obey God's ways on everything that we speak and do.
God's plan was/is perfect. |
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Utimately, it still takes an act of total surrender. |
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The fact of the matter is, these denial minds in all of us have the benefit of untold centuries to have devised schemes to keep us from discovering that we have them.
Some people try to make me wrong; I dont matter.
The only way to prove whether a person has a denial mind or not is to police his thoughts asking God to help him.
Deciding to police your thoughts ensures that the real you has become pro-active in your thought life. Asking God to help you ensures that you get the STRONGER involved in your thought life.
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"God" does not divide its children man does. Entropy is death, it is the act of nature to break things down to their most basic elements, to divide is to use satans tool, if you will.
The moment you place a them and us scenario into the picture you become the law of entropy in action. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 163513
This is incorrect. Entropy is NOT death, in fact it is the opposite. Entropy is creation. Stagnation is death. |
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Surely an overstatement, but they certainly bear a sizable burden. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 170958
I thought, at first that it was an overstatement, too. But, as it comes out with discussion with the Holy Spirit, it is true. Everyone else has no POWER to overcome the influence of their denial mind and therefore can only contribute to evil and suffering.
it is only the disobedient people of God who are responsible. The power AVAILABLE to them is enough to have made this world completely different.
For example, health and healing. True christians are supposed to have signs and wonders following them wherever they go. They are supposed to be just like Jesus was in His neighborhood. The atmosphere of UNBELIEF for healing that we have now would not be so strong.
Christians are supposed to care for the poor, widows and orphans.
not done.
Christians are supposed to destroy the works of satan all over the earth.
not done.
:shrugs:
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I wouldn't say all, but organized religions role in creating a certain, shall we say, blindness in the wests view about true reality is beyond argument, from the point of view of the enlightened few anyway. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 163513
I was not talking about organized religion. I was talking about individual christians, who alone, have ACCESS to the power to overcome the influence of the denial mind in them and effect the world from the kingdom of God living within them.
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what is perhaps equally amazing is to see someone who appears to have some insite miss the point in so many ways. Me114 I have lurked through your posts and I am still yet amazed at how close yet how far you are from personal breakthrough, I do not say this as a insult simply an observation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 163513
you are not helping me, since you gave me no details?
What I am talking about, succinctly, is DISOBEDIENCE versus OBEDIENCE.
What if Jesus decided to do what was right in his own human mind? He could have said to Himself, I'm saved, I'm all set. He could have refused to heal any of the sick people around Him. He could have even refused to go to the cross. He said He had the power to call on legions of angels. He could have taken over the world right then, or thought and tried to. But you see, if he had done something like that, God would have stopped him. Because that was not the true will of the man born as Jesus in Nazareth.
Alot of people reject christianity because they think that they can not do their will - that is a lie. God wants us to do our own will. God can teach us His ways so that when we do our own will, it is righteous and is not against His will. God wants the variety that exists in His unique free-willed children to bless this world. God wants freelance children. God is perfect, and it IS possible for His children to be perfect like He is, and still do their own free will.
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Only true if Bush is a Christian |
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Well, you are right about the marriage, at least. This takes place when the pineal gland is activated through self directed love and compassion. By keeping the energy focused within through self love, we become in tune with a higher consciousness. I hesitate to believe one man made it all possible. We each have the ability to become a christ. You made a very good point that when we listen to our ego instead of believing we are all a part of the source and have always been intimate with god from the beginning we lose contact with who we really are. Christ epitomizes what we can attain for ourselves when we believe we are deserving of it. The feeling is indescribable and the love is immense. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 185263
Whom do you OBEY? Your self, the denial mind, or God?
thats the bottom line.
intellectual understanding will not work.
if you hear and obey God, He will teach you the truth about all things that you need to know.
If you needed to know that your true self is your ego, then God would teach you that, and you would not 'confuse' your own ego with the denial mind. The denial mind wants people to think that they are not their own true self or ego, so that people will desire by faith to kill their own ego (spiritual suicide).
But maybe my words can not teach you that; or you reject my words. However, if you needed to know the truth of that matter, _and_ you were listening to and obeying God's voice, then He would teach you in a way that you could receive it.
So I can not tell you that you do not know God in the way that you have only briefly described here, because when you let God come in and bind the strong man (denial mind) then you and God together can divide the spoils and KEEP/SAVE that which you have accumulated that is good and true. This process is how God keeps it real for His children.
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Whom do you OBEY? Your self, the denial mind, or God?
thats the bottom line.
intellectual understanding will not work.
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He made a very good point, but it's not just Christians. What about Muslims and Jews and every other religious nut out there. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 185263
religious nuts, by definition (that of being nuts as you say) have no power to overcome their denial minds, so they contribute to evil by default and are not responsible for doing what they are ONLY able to do, which is, no good.
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He made a very good point, but it's not just Christians. What about Muslims and Jews and every other religious nut out there. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 185263
what your statement points out is that it is the SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS of christians that is their stumbling block. Or what some have called a MENTAL ASCENT TO GOD'S WILL. In other words, they believe they are doing God's Will according to what the Bible says; thus making the Bible an IDOL in their heart. how? check this out.
God could send a bonafide prophet to a christian to tell him something God wants him to know. The christian could say to himself, I will check what the prophet said by the bible, and if I dont find it, then I know the prophet's message is not from God.
who, in that example, is the final arbiter of truth?
the Bible? NO
the man who checked the bible is.
It could be in the bible, but he cant see it even if he reads the exact verses pertaining to the situation.
no the man is supposed to ASK GOD. if he is a christian, can he not ask GOD? and expect an answer?
What is discernment? what does discernment mean to a christian?
it means ASKING GOD. It means, saying to yourself, I dont know, I will ask God, and expect an answer.
so self righteousness is a mind-game that christians FALL INTO whereby they become God in their own heart.
it is insidious
and of course, the denial mind knows just how to say the things in a person's mind to lead him into that trap.
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What kind of dialectic were you swallowed up by? Quoting: Sparkel 115853
if what you say is true, then what is the 'thesis' and the 'antithesis' that you claim I have used to arrive at my conclusions?
Jesus said overcome evil with good. The only people on earth that have access to the power to do good are those who claim to be the people of God. Everyone else has no access to that power and can not help but do evil. So, whose responsibility is it?
I dont think that is a dialectic.
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>>Christians should be able to recognize God in other people whether the other person says they are a christian or not. There are plenty of people who HEAR God's voice, obey Him, and are in His salvation process for their life, and YET, they do not call themselves christians.<<
Here you go with the division. Allow me to rephrase that in a more truthful way without exclusion for any soul. HUMANS should be able to see the creator in ALL of CREATION! HUMANS need to learn that the CREATOR and CREATION are not seperate but interconnected. With all of your reading of the bible it seems that somehow you have gloosed over the most important parts, "What you have done to the least of my children" not the least of my christian children. The great master it seems was including humanity in his compassionate view of the world, you perhaps would do well to follow.
Allow me to apologize, I misread this statement, I sense we are saying the same thing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 163513
oh good, I decided the same thing, and wasnt going to reply.
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