POOL PARTY! --Presented by The Esoteric Fr13nds for Gaia (EFG).

Fortunately, you're a man! Hey did you see a federal judge stop the vote counting in Michigan!!!!!!

Last Edited by bigD111 on 12/07/2016 10:38 PM

I missed that, can you link me?
I have seen 'Arrival', almost identical to Day earth Stood Still, and, of course all these movies with the 'FEMALE saving the World' theme is most interesting.

It's fixed, thanks. The furnace guy came ... new filter, cleaned out ... I flooded it when I hit the button too many times :/

At least the bill won't come for a little while.

And we're toasty.

So simple. Damn!

Yeah.

397 bucks and now I know exactly how my furnace works, lol.

They had to put a clamp shutoff inside the house, too, because when my brother in law and his friend installed the donated tank they put no shutoff valve outside ... so i have to let it run out and get a valve outside, too.

Me and goats have an understanding. I don't like them and they understand that.

....stupid goats.

Well yeah, I just flipped the couch off me and stood straight up and stood there for like 10 minutes lol.

Yeah man 4 judges. Denied 3-1 for lack of standing.

Steins argument was basically that the thought of voter fraud is scary so they should do one.

The judges said: "yeah....that's not how this shit works Mrs. Stein. The Law says you have to provide proof of likely voter fraud and you haven't. So no recount biotch".

That may or may not be a verbatim quote.

They're screwed and Trump is picking generals left and right telling the world he ain't fucking around.

Last Edited by Merit on 12/07/2016 11:33 PM

Close enough! Lack of standing is what he said. No proof of fraud, and since they counted twice originally, end the recount.

I have what I think is a brilliant idea for the long term future.

Maybe Merit can pass it along to someone who can do something about it.

I, for one, would happily pay into a tax-advantaged unemployment savings account.

For when the robots start taking over before we come to retirement age.

Like health savings accounts and education savings accounts.

Cap it, graduate it ... whatever ... still a good idea, no?

Why not?

Has to be earned wages, from an employer ... not capital gains.

Re-incentivize work.

I know a regular savings account IS supposed to be an unemployment savings account ... but how many of those get 15-33% ROI? For the working man?

I think it's a good idea. I just thought that one up on my own ... I think it's brilliant ... ?

Last Edited by SugarSand on 12/08/2016 12:07 AM

The fake Elon Musk from the Elon Mush k thread said the plan was for corporations to pay into a government trust fund that doles out minimum stipends but you have to continue education to get the stipends (it was one of the reasons I didn't think it was EM - that's too Un-American to require people to "get educated" in order to eat).

That's fine and dandy and there will definitely have to be corporate patcipation in a broader social security program .. but that's like a basic living allowance.

We should be able to save now for what we're about to go back to work to do ... which is put us all out of jobs forever .. .and the government should thank us for it by making it tax-advantaged and FDIC insured.

Interesting. An unemployment plan. Would there be sufficient employment to support such a thing?

You need sponsors to pay the accrued interest. Either the employer, the bank, a third party or a combination of the three.

Basically who's going to pay that high interest accruity has to be solved.

401k is what covers that now basically as you can decide what percentage of your check goes into it and trade stocks on it daily or even hourly.

It's a great idea of course but you have to figure out what rich ppl are going to give, and therefore pay, that high interest rate.

Take it as a deduction from income, like an IRA, only for a different purpose.

Steelworkers make a lot of money. I know a bunch of guys who were rebuilding the Bayonne bridge who had so much scratch and no time to spend it.

They're always on unemployment sporadically, too ... for lack of work ... just like factory workers ... production goes in waves.

Imagine we really do fix our roads and bridges.

Factory jobs coming back to america will be good jobs.

All the good jobs will eventually graduate us into no jobs, though - but that's ok. That's the idea.

Automated trucking will require different skills ... truckers will be operators, not drivers - that's a better job - it's safer and worth more to the company ... eventually we won't need all the operators either. They will be unemployed.



I just hate the concept of jobs for jobs sake.

When the work lags we should be collectively able to kick up our feet and enjoy life without worrying about starving.

People who work and pay taxes ... righteously have huge chips our our shoulders about those who get government stipends that we work hard for ...

but we've been working ourselves out of work since we started working like this.

My dream paradigm shift is that there's no shame in the fact there's not enough work to go around, and everyone here had a hand in making that happens and should reap the benefits.

Who pays the accrued interest on tax-advantaged daycare accounts?

There isn't any really ... but the $1200-2000 bucks a year in tax savings makes it worth it.

It doesn't have to be interest bearing if it's for its intended purpose ... to prepare for possible long-term unemployment before retirement age ...

Let's say that the rules go like you can't draw from it until you ... employment reaches a low like 20% overall or something ... without paying the income tax on it.

This is an interesting concept. Would they still get unemployment insurance?

The idea of unemployment is near and dear to me because I can't seem to achieve it.

I'm one of those middle class people who if I didn't have to pay childcare ... (NJ unemployment it $624 weekly because we pay in) I basically have the same amount of money at the end of the month if I was on unemployment.

I have been wishing and hoping for unemployment but it evades me, even after my company shed 40% of its workers since I've been there.

That would give me a minute to breathe before resuming the relentless grind.

Yes ... that's a short term benefit (in my state it's a payroll deduction, too) ... the saving accounts would be for long term unemployment, and they would carry over year over year for as much as an employee wanted to pay in.

I see what you're thinking, though, Merit ... as a long ter investment you are getting ripped off compared to the rolling average of the stock market.

Just having the option of making it like a ... health savings account or an IRA, etc. You can choose to park it, choose to put it in mutual funds ...

But for long term unemployment.

I have never been on it, but as my father in law used to say, "get all you can."

Rich people don't have to pay in - no one has to pay in ...

Banks make money, they don't pay money so yeah .. pretty painless for rich people ...

not their concern, really.

Cap it at 300k or 500k wages so as not to leave out anyone

Executive VPs at my company make about half a mil ... let them have it too if they want.

I have too much integrity to deliberately under perform or passive agressivly get fired to collect unemployment.

I make them too much money to lay off ... I need for my company to be bought so I can take a little break.

still thinking out loud ...

rich people who can live off capital gains don't need it, but if they are earning income they can pay in to the cap i guess

i know banks, it won't bother them none, they'll earn money or die

the government loses some tax revenue but invests towards mitigating what it knows inevitable and could be a huge disaster

people have a reason to work and save

there's no shame in having more leisure time in the future - we earned it - so this is how I can get my paradign shift :)

ETA - remember that in general my job is to automate jobs away ... I have mixed feelings about that and something like this would help with that



Last Edited by SugarSand on 12/08/2016 12:40 AM

The only reason rich people should poopoo that are those friggin' chips on their shoulders towards other people getting a break ...

just like workers/taxpayers carry around about supporting non-workers with their labor

Let people borrow against it for short term unemployment and repay it to themselves with interest like in a 401k.

!

ETA: I'll stop now y'all get the gist.

Hope everyone has a great night

Last Edited by SugarSand on 12/08/2016 01:08 AM

Well, I'm about 5 minutes in and this is one long video. I'll have to watch it later on tonight in full, if I can make it through 40 minutes of it. The first thing he said about some sort of troops in Poland is true though. I don't know if it's UN but I do know that Polish relatives have said a lot of various troops have moved into Poland in recent months that are not Polish troops. Who is this Kent Brown guy anyway?

16 below zero here right now. Damn!

Time for some spiced honey wine.