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Backwards time travel is not possible.

 
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Backwards time travel is not possible.
Two points to be made against backwards timetravel.
POINT 1

A law of physics states matter can't be created.

This means there is a determined amount of particles in the universe.

Any time travel in reverse would add particles ( our intrepid time traveler and any matter he takes with him) into those space/time slices thus violating the first law of thermodynamics for the universe' space time for then forward.

When you go back in time the particles of your body or ship or whatever could have been a rock, tree or some maiden 500 years ago.

So if you time travel into the past, you just added particles into that timeline, unless you take them away from their rightful timeline owner.

A side note is that by the time we live a normal lifespan we don't have any of the original cells or particles we were born with.

We move thru the environment all the while exchanging particles.

You could actually share particles with every human ever born. You could be made up of Henry the 8th’s piss and spit.

POINT 2

If our traveler could re-arrange particles from the past to re-constitute himself and any matter he brings back rather than duplicate or add particles (which is impossible), he would change the past by “taking particles away from the rightful owners in that timeline.

It would be like travelling back in time and the particles that are you now would have to be taken away from those legitimate “timeliners”, thus affecting the past just by showing up.
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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
Time travel is based on quantum mechanics, not Newtonian physics ....go back to school, jughead,
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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
I think you can travel back in time as a disembodied observer in a 3-d surround holographic playback of what is essentially recorded media.
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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
You can loop time by ending this and beginning again. You have the blueprint. You are the egg.
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Sometimes imagination is a terrible thing.
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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
Time travel is based on quantum mechanics, not Newtonian physics ....go back to school, jughead,
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Boy. I bet you made yourself feel smart.
Everything you said is wrong though.
You are either a liberal, middle schooler or Canadian.
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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
I think you can travel back in time as a disembodied observer in a 3-d surround holographic playback of what is essentially recorded media.
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If you can't interact, are you really there?
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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
Two points to be made against backwards timetravel.
POINT 1

A law of physics states matter can't be created.

This means there is a determined amount of particles in the universe.

Any time travel in reverse would add particles ( our intrepid time traveler and any matter he takes with him) into those space/time slices thus violating the first law of thermodynamics for the universe' space time for then forward.

When you go back in time the particles of your body or ship or whatever could have been a rock, tree or some maiden 500 years ago.

So if you time travel into the past, you just added particles into that timeline, unless you take them away from their rightful timeline owner.

A side note is that by the time we live a normal lifespan we don't have any of the original cells or particles we were born with.

We move thru the environment all the while exchanging particles.

You could actually share particles with every human ever born. You could be made up of Henry the 8th’s piss and spit.

POINT 2

If our traveler could re-arrange particles from the past to re-constitute himself and any matter he brings back rather than duplicate or add particles (which is impossible), he would change the past by “taking particles away from the rightful owners in that timeline.

It would be like travelling back in time and the particles that are you now would have to be taken away from those legitimate “timeliners”, thus affecting the past just by showing up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53197708


This means there is a determined amount of particles in the universe.

Those particles would not be from that universe, they would be from a different dimension. Time is a dimension.

Time is relative. So, it can be traversed relative to dimensions.
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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
Backwards time travel is possible IF reality is merely a simulation as Elon Musk believes is very highly likely. We dont have control over it though,.. However if we create a simulation/matrix/virtual reality of our own, indistinguishable from our reality, then we could play god and time travel freely backwards and forwards.
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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
Two points to be made against backwards timetravel.
POINT 1

A law of physics states matter can't be created.

This means there is a determined amount of particles in the universe.

Any time travel in reverse would add particles ( our intrepid time traveler and any matter he takes with him) into those space/time slices thus violating the first law of thermodynamics for the universe' space time for then forward.

When you go back in time the particles of your body or ship or whatever could have been a rock, tree or some maiden 500 years ago.

So if you time travel into the past, you just added particles into that timeline, unless you take them away from their rightful timeline owner.

A side note is that by the time we live a normal lifespan we don't have any of the original cells or particles we were born with.

We move thru the environment all the while exchanging particles.

You could actually share particles with every human ever born. You could be made up of Henry the 8th’s piss and spit.

POINT 2

If our traveler could re-arrange particles from the past to re-constitute himself and any matter he brings back rather than duplicate or add particles (which is impossible), he would change the past by “taking particles away from the rightful owners in that timeline.

It would be like travelling back in time and the particles that are you now would have to be taken away from those legitimate “timeliners”, thus affecting the past just by showing up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53197708


This means there is a determined amount of particles in the universe.

Those particles would not be from that universe, they would be from a different dimension. Time is a dimension.

Time is relative. So, it can be traversed relative to dimensions.
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Particles can not be destroyed or created.
The atoms in your eye were created at the beginning and have remained in this universe. They may have been a ruby on a queens finger, but they are part of your eyeball now.
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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
Backward Time Travel?

You mean past or forward then backward. Or, steping into it backward?
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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
Two points to be made against backwards timetravel.
POINT 1

A law of physics states matter can't be created.

This means there is a determined amount of particles in the universe.

Any time travel in reverse would add particles ( our intrepid time traveler and any matter he takes with him) into those space/time slices thus violating the first law of thermodynamics for the universe' space time for then forward.

When you go back in time the particles of your body or ship or whatever could have been a rock, tree or some maiden 500 years ago.

So if you time travel into the past, you just added particles into that timeline, unless you take them away from their rightful timeline owner.

A side note is that by the time we live a normal lifespan we don't have any of the original cells or particles we were born with.

We move thru the environment all the while exchanging particles.

You could actually share particles with every human ever born. You could be made up of Henry the 8th’s piss and spit.

POINT 2

If our traveler could re-arrange particles from the past to re-constitute himself and any matter he brings back rather than duplicate or add particles (which is impossible), he would change the past by “taking particles away from the rightful owners in that timeline.

It would be like travelling back in time and the particles that are you now would have to be taken away from those legitimate “timeliners”, thus affecting the past just by showing up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53197708


This means there is a determined amount of particles in the universe.

Those particles would not be from that universe, they would be from a different dimension. Time is a dimension.

Time is relative. So, it can be traversed relative to dimensions.
 Quoting: Craazee8


Particles can not be destroyed or created.
The atoms in your eye were created at the beginning and have remained in this universe. They may have been a ruby on a queens finger, but they are part of your eyeball now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48696487


no particles would be created or destroyed. they would simply traverse a dimension.
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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
I think you can travel back in time as a disembodied observer in a 3-d surround holographic playback of what is essentially recorded media.
 Quoting: Jai_Guru_Jesus_Om


If you can't interact, are you really there?
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You are in the middle of what actually happened and can move about freely. You may even be able to read minds. However, you aren't really in the past.
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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
Time travel is based on quantum mechanics, not Newtonian physics ....go back to school, jughead,
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Boy. I bet you made yourself feel smart.
Everything you said is wrong though.
You are either a liberal, middle schooler or Canadian.
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and yet you offer nothing as proof, but stupid inbred banter.
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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
Space and Time are the same thing. You aren't adding or removing either. You are just rearranging it.

Also the thing about matter is out of context. You forgot the part about changing form.

Not that I am saying it is possible, just that your explanation for why it is not is not valid.

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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
Time travel is based on quantum mechanics, not Newtonian physics ....go back to school, jughead,
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Boy. I bet you made yourself feel smart.
Everything you said is wrong though.
You are either a liberal, middle schooler or Canadian.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48696487


and yet you offer nothing as proof, but stupid inbred banter.
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I though you spoke in "inbred banter" with the fantastic zinger you posted.
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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
Space and Time are the same thing. You aren't adding or removing either. You are just rearranging it.

Also the thing about matter is out of context. You forgot the part about changing form.

Not that I am saying it is possible, just that your explanation for why it is not is not valid.

:invalid:
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Here in case you missed it.

"If our traveler could re-arrange particles from the past to re-constitute himself and any matter he brings back rather than duplicate or add particles (which is impossible), he would change the past by “taking particles away from the rightful owners in that timeline.

It would be like travelling back in time and the particles that are you now would have to be taken away from those legitimate “timeliners”, thus affecting the past just by showing up. "
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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
Space and Time are the same thing. You aren't adding or removing either. You are just rearranging it.

Also the thing about matter is out of context. You forgot the part about changing form.

Not that I am saying it is possible, just that your explanation for why it is not is not valid.

invalid
 Quoting: Deplorable-Elect Don Solo


Here in case you missed it.

"If our traveler could re-arrange particles from the past to re-constitute himself and any matter he brings back rather than duplicate or add particles (which is impossible), he would change the past by “taking particles away from the rightful owners in that timeline.

It would be like travelling back in time and the particles that are you now would have to be taken away from those legitimate “timeliners”, thus affecting the past just by showing up. "
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48696487


Yeah, I didn't miss it. You didn't understand. There is no moving of anything from one place/time to another. It is more like reallocation within the same container. It is not a "different universe" in the past that you are going to. No matter left or entered the sum total of mass/energy of spacetime. There is no reason to suspect you would be "taking particles away" from those timeliners. Even the most literal interpretation of your though experiment could draw these "particles" from the quantum foam or simply condense the matter/energy that ultimately must exist already because it congealed in the future to become that person.

Everything is already everywhere/everywhen. Just in a different form. Your atoms/energy already were there back in time, or you couldn't exist now.
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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
Yet I keep seeing this post. Makes me think otherwise.
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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
Matter can be created
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Re: Backwards time travel is not possible.
Case in point:

Human babies

Those cells divide and are created from egg/sperm

Where do those 76 million cells (approx) come from?

Physics is wrong about this

Also / if Big Bang is real.. the singularity could
not have contained all the atoms in present universe

Physics has some fundamental flaws

But people font like hearing that
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Matter can be created
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not ex-nhilo
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