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Is Earth Tilting Abnormally? Here's How to Check!

 
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The stars South of the equator are on on disks rotating the opposite direction. I thought this was common sense?
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Many of the same stars are simultaneously visible in both hemispheres, yet appear to move around the relevant axis in opposite directions depending on which hemisphere you're in since the earth is actually round and you're actually "upside down" relative to the other hemisphere. I thought this was common knowledge?
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Light has a tendency to behave differently while being observed.... Let that simmer for a while.
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Word salad.
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Really? Name one person excluding yourself who understands your "spreadsheets" and calculations!!
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Climate Change Is Moving the North Pole


"As ice melts and aquifers are drained, Earth's distribution of mass is changing—and with it the position of the planet's spin axis."

[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]

NASA: Earth’s poles are tipping thanks to climate change

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cow farts man :P
in all seriousness, every planet in our solar system is experiencing change. so yes our climate is changing but it is not what they are telling us. they know that Planet (9) x nibiru tycho whatever they want to call it is causing this. ya our activities have not helped at all, fukushima, GOM oil spill have not helped our oceans at all, deforestation isn't helping our air. etc etc.
with the melting of both poles, north pole seems to take more of a hit then the south, but anyway with the melting of the poles that water goes into the massive pool we call the ocean, with rotational mass that water is flung out to the equator which is what is causing the ocean to rise more then predicted, this also attributes to the earths wobble, as the weight of all that ice is melted the heaviest land mass should move more towards the equator, which could be why the poles are melting fast. the news that they have record breaking ice at the poles is deceptive, this is just the yearly "surface" ice which melts every summer anyway on top of what melts from the glaciers.

so we have already met the tipping point, there is now a cascade effect that is taking place for over a year. anyone remember that french foriegn ministers 500 day warning that ENDED last year in september? notice now that we have 6.0's on the daily? record breaking heat all over the place?

with the warming of the air, means warming of the ocean, the warming of the ocean means more methane burps from the sea bed as well as the methane burps in the russian tundra, this creates the cascade effect.

think of it this way, and it attributes to the above effect. every time the magnetosphere takes a hit more radiation gets in, the bad kind that penetrates into the earth, this along with the warming of the earth heats up the magma and the core, which means more pressure, with more heat from the magma it eats away at the mantel, with more pressure and less mantel means more earthquakes and more volcanoes.
what happens when you boil an egg too long? the shell cracks and the white stuff comes out.

back in oct 20's of this year we where hit by gama waves from proxima A/B. we know that we are going to be hit by a massive wave this year december 26/27 from that same location. look it up.
the important thing is, do not fear it, there is not a damn thing we can do to stop it. remember the movie Knowing? when Nickolas cage said that being in a bunker wouldn't help unless you where i think it was 3 miles down?
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Why is it, that when I click on this thread, there is no bar above the thread where we can give the stars for the thread, like we do with all other threads?
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Because you already voted on this thread.
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hmm, maybe your right.

Astro the hallmark of a good teacher is that they can take complex material, & simplify it down into understandable material for the student. Time & time again, you throw out complex material that only a astronomer can understand & you fail to reach the student, hence the frustration from peeps. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here, that you are not snowballing people with your complex explainations. You really do need to get your Ego out of way, & come down to the level of the peeps here. Otherwise why are you wasting your time on this forum, it makes no sense.
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I don't care what you say.
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Well, that's not a good approach to get to the truth.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut


...

Could it be...

Nibiru

For real though, Astro, appreciate the transparency on the calculations. It helps to be able to see your method on how you arrived at your conclusion.
peace
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Except that it doesn't even matter because you guys don't care what I say anyway.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut


maybe if you top being so egotistical and thinking that whatever you say is 100% true people would.
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Well maybe if you guys stopped making claims that were 100% verifiably false, I wouldn't sound so egotistical?
its painfully obvious that you wrote all that regardless of right or wrong just to show you could o it and boast your knowledge.
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Actually I did it to demonstrate how to analyze these claims properly and accurately. If it makes you feel inadequate, that's your problem.
im sorry that you feel you're not worthy enough that you have to prove it by writing a wall of text.
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I'm fully aware of how "worthy" and accurate I am. Like it or not, I wrote that wall of text because it was originally asked of me to do so. You guys didn't want to believe my calculations, so your side demanded to see them.
that is what the international standard is based upon

just like we have conferences to set point for temp, light, and voltage references

j2000 is based upon a set of standard numbers to reference corrections to the position of stellar bodies

if the world is to make standard calculated references to ANYthing we have to have a starting point, thats what j2000 is.

its the same as an ISO standard (actually probably is, but didn't read that far)

so explain how to correct to it on your scope

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I measured from the star USNO-A2 1725-00691811. Its J2000 coordinates are:
21h 23m 00.84s +89d 52' 49.8"

how do you compensate for 12 years difference from your chosen people of G-dtandard, to reference conditions now?
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zeta(A) = 0.6406161T + 0.0000839T^2 + 0.0000050 T^3
z(A) = 0.6406161T + 0.0003041T^2 + 0.0000051T^3
theta(A) = 0.5567530T - 0.0001185T^2 - 0.0000116T^3
T = (Julian Day of starting epoch - 2451545)/36525
Then you construct the following matrix:
P' =
[cos(zeta(A))*cos(theta(A))*cos(z(a))-sin(zeta(A))*sin(z(a)) cos(zeta(A)) * cos(theta(A)) * sin(z(a)) + sin(zeta(A)) * cos(z(a)) cos(zeta(A)) * sin(theta(A))

-sin(zeta(A))*cos(theta(A))*cos(z(a))-cos(zeta(A))*sin(z(a)) -sin(zeta(A))* cos(theta(A)) * sin(z(a)) + cos(zeta(A)) * cos(z(a)) -sin(zeta(A)) * sin(theta(A))

-sin(theta(A)) * cos(z(a)) -sin(theta(A)) * sin(z(a)) cos(theta(A)) ]
Then you calculate the following column vector v with the decimal coordinates from the epoch:
alpha = right ascension in decimal coordinates
delta = declination in decimal coordinates
v =
[cos(alpha)*cos(delta)
sin(alpha)*cos(delta)
sin(delta)]
Then you multiply P' and v to form column vector s.
Now you convert to the precessed epoch, recalculating zeta(A), z(A), and theta(A) with T = (Julian day of precessed epoch - 2451545)/36525.
Now construct the following matrix, which is really just a transposition of the first matrix but with the new values for zeta(A), z(A), and theta(A):
P =
[cos(zeta(A))*cos(theta(A))*cos(z(a))-sin(zeta(A))*sin(z(a) -sin(zeta(A))*cos(theta(A))*cos(z(a))-cos(zeta(A))*sin(z(a)) -sin(theta(A)) * cos(z(a))
cos(zeta(A)) * cos(theta(A)) * sin(z(a)) + sin(zeta(A)) * cos(z(a)) -sin(zeta(A))* cos(theta(A)) * sin(z(a)) + cos(zeta(A)) * cos(z(a)) -sin(theta(A)) * sin(z(a))
cos(zeta(A)) * sin(theta(A)) -sin(zeta(A)) * sin(theta(A)) cos(theta(A)) ]
Then calculate column vector w by multiplying matrix P by the previously calculated column vector s.
w=
[m
n
p]
Then you extract the precessed coordinates by the following formula:
Precessed Right Ascension = tan^-1(n/m)
Precessed declination = sin^-1(p)
 Quoting: Astromut

Well, there they are. That's the truth, whether you like it or not. You guys brought this on yourselves, and now since you're utterly unable to refute my calculations, you bitch and complain that I even posted them in the first place.
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I love your posts Astro.....They make my head spin....
But I like them. Very scientific and accurate.
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Many of the same stars are simultaneously visible in both hemispheres, yet appear to move around the relevant axis in opposite directions depending on which hemisphere you're in since the earth is actually round and you're actually "upside down" relative to the other hemisphere. I thought this was common knowledge?
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut


Light has a tendency to behave differently while being observed.... Let that simmer for a while.
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Word salad.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut



Really? Name one person excluding yourself who understands your "spreadsheets" and calculations!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57231332

I'm pretty sure 7444 understands it, if he's around. This poster would certainly be able to verify it as well:
Thread: The sun is randomly out of position. (Page 9)
Any university astronomy professor worth his salt should be able to verify it. If you want a specific name, Dr. Peter Duffett-Smith can definitely understand and verify my spreadsheet.
[link to www.phy.cam.ac.uk]
Feel free to reach out to him for verification if you're so inclined.
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Climate Change Is Moving the North Pole


"As ice melts and aquifers are drained, Earth's distribution of mass is changing—and with it the position of the planet's spin axis."

[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]

NASA: Earth’s poles are tipping thanks to climate change

[link to www.pbs.org]
 Quoting: Skippy 73519188


"by just a few centimeters a year."
That is referring to Chandler wobble scale changes. It's not something you can notice or detect by eye, in fact it's orders of magnitude too small to even see with most telescopes. I addressed that when talking about Chandler wobble and showing the graph in the video in the op.
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What they are alluding you too, is they want you to call bullshit on the climate change garbage.

When the libtards start claiming solar flairs are caused by global warming can you publicly denounce them then?
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Why is it, that when I click on this thread, there is no bar above the thread where we can give the stars for the thread, like we do with all other threads?
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Because you already voted on this thread.
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hmm, maybe your right.

Astro the hallmark of a good teacher is that they can take complex material, & simplify it down into understandable material for the student. Time & time again, you throw out complex material that only a astronomer can understand & you fail to reach the student, hence the frustration from peeps. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here, that you are not snowballing people with your complex explainations. You really do need to get your Ego out of way, & come down to the level of the peeps here. Otherwise why are you wasting your time on this forum, it makes no sense.
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Sooooo,how about you prove him wrong with PROOF? Just because you lack the capacity to understand what he's saying does not make him wrong,lay down the mathematics that prove him WRONG,your rhetoric is becoming very redundant.
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Why is it, that when I click on this thread, there is no bar above the thread where we can give the stars for the thread, like we do with all other threads?
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Because you already voted on this thread.
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hmm, maybe your right.

Astro the hallmark of a good teacher is that they can take complex material, & simplify it down into understandable material for the student. Time & time again, you throw out complex material that only a astronomer can understand & you fail to reach the student, hence the frustration from peeps. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here, that you are not snowballing people with your complex explainations. You really do need to get your Ego out of way, & come down to the level of the peeps here. Otherwise why are you wasting your time on this forum, it makes no sense.
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I simplified the method as much as possible, using the bare minimum in this case of a simple SLR camera, a tripod, and a long exposure of the north star. I even created and provided a spreadsheet with the mathematical formulae already included for those disinclined to do it themselves. How much more simple can it get? If you expect me to teach an entire course on the mathematics and astronomy up to the level required to work through the equations I posted, then you don't understand my purpose here.

I posted the equations as proof that I'm not simply bullshitting with a spreadsheet that is harder to deconstruct than just the equations by themselves. There is nothing stopping you from taking my equations and my spreadsheet to the nearest professor of astronomy and asking if it's bullshit or real. It's not my job to do your work for you.
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Light has a tendency to behave differently while being observed.... Let that simmer for a while.
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Word salad.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut



Really? Name one person excluding yourself who understands your "spreadsheets" and calculations!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57231332

I'm pretty sure 7444 understands it, if he's around. This poster would certainly be able to verify it as well:
Thread: The sun is randomly out of position. (Page 9)
Any university astronomy professor worth his salt should be able to verify it. If you want a specific name, Dr. Peter Duffett-Smith can definitely understand and verify my spreadsheet.
[link to www.phy.cam.ac.uk]
Feel free to reach out to him for verification if you're so inclined.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut



I am inclined. I gave it a far effort but alas. Probably more effect than most. 0.1 percent actually had a look at your spreadsheets.
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Yes there would be if we are in a sphere and you pictures of the stars time lapse is the best clue there is.

Even your explanation of there movement at time. Everyone assumes that everything is as we were told, have some fun, make it work another way, it is doable.

Think of globes within globes, think Russian nestling dolls as the idea, each layer is set with heavenly bodies that have a clock like working and the times are set. The earth itself is in the middle of these surrounding sphere with all these heavenly bodies made in clockwork timing.

Most thing would work on the earth as it always had except knowing it a circle and the land is placed for us to see is different but not so much you can see the maps in many places. Of course he arctic and the Antarctica is the same place all around the circle, which is never shown, it was old maps but not now.

This would answer why the astrolabe, astromut it worked in all ways including all the star maps. When the eclipses would happens where the stars would be at certain times of the year and what year.

Who would know what the under ground would look like, you can guess, but for sure it could be set to turn at certain times. See you could use your brains with other people and make a wonderful snow globe. Just have it so all could move some how, all going to roll over and around the earth anyways, that would be the sun and moon, and boy I do no if you are smart enough to figure out a way to do it, I picture it in my mind how. But can you do it? It is like inventing you know, and the light speed, if people did not know, they were got it wrong, it would have to be change thats all. They know it not always the same, it changes at different time and places during the year, same with gravity it not stable either, so with both they average it and let it go with this.

So a turning pillar to hold the ear that is another globe, how many heavens is there, well Earth is a shadow of Heaven. I think some say seven. 1. Globe within a 2. globe, within a 3. globe, within a 4. globe, within a
5. globe, within a 6. globe within a 7. globe, within is the earth.
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Would this explain how April is much colder than I remember as a kid and Oct seems warmer? I swear every easter I was in short sleeves.
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The earth is shifting gradually, the fozen north and south pole had been keeping in balance with magnetic forces from the Sun. When one of the frozen pole melt, the world will wobbles like a drunkard sailor and that when the earth plate tetonics trembles sparking many earthquakes and floods all over the world.

This will happens again in roughy 2029 after disaster and WW3 according to the prediction.

It is tilting gradually and slowly for now toward the left.

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Yes there would be if we are in a sphere and you pictures of the stars time lapse is the best clue there is.

Even your explanation of there movement at time. Everyone assumes that everything is as we were told, have some fun, make it work another way, it is doable.
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Why can't the truth be fun enough?
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ASTRO, I have a question for you, if you would be so kind to explain.

If we stand on earth and look at the moon, it appears to be a certain size, If we were to stand on the moon and look at earth, since earth is so much larger, wouldn't the earth appear to be significantly larger than the moon appears as seen from earth?
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Word salad.
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Really? Name one person excluding yourself who understands your "spreadsheets" and calculations!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57231332

I'm pretty sure 7444 understands it, if he's around. This poster would certainly be able to verify it as well:
Thread: The sun is randomly out of position. (Page 9)
Any university astronomy professor worth his salt should be able to verify it. If you want a specific name, Dr. Peter Duffett-Smith can definitely understand and verify my spreadsheet.
[link to www.phy.cam.ac.uk]
Feel free to reach out to him for verification if you're so inclined.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut



I am inclined.
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Then let me know what the response is.
I gave it a far effort but alas. Probably more effect than most. 0.1 percent actually had a look at your spreadsheets.
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For some, probably most, it's enough to know that dedicated amateur astronomers like me are monitoring it with our own equipment and would know if there were any significant changes in the earth's orientation (measured in degrees or even arcminutes, not milliarcseconds). Some may want to look into it themselves, and for them I have provided both the spreadsheet and the equations the spreadsheet uses. Amazingly, shockingly, I'm actually being attacked for daring to post the equations.
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Good to know. I'll have to trust you on the calculations since I know NOTHING about Astro anything.

Thanks!
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Here are the calculations for precession, line by line, just to be completely transparent:
zeta(A) = 0.6406161T + 0.0000839T^2 + 0.0000050 T^3
z(A) = 0.6406161T + 0.0003041T^2 + 0.0000051T^3
theta(A) = 0.5567530T - 0.0001185T^2 - 0.0000116T^3
T = (Julian Day of starting epoch - 2451545)/36525
Then you construct the following matrix:
P' =
[cos(zeta(A))*cos(theta(A))*cos(z(a))-sin(zeta(A))*sin(z(a)) cos(zeta(A)) * cos(theta(A)) * sin(z(a)) + sin(zeta(A)) * cos(z(a)) cos(zeta(A)) * sin(theta(A))

-sin(zeta(A))*cos(theta(A))*cos(z(a))-cos(zeta(A))*sin(z(a)) -sin(zeta(A))* cos(theta(A)) * sin(z(a)) + cos(zeta(A)) * cos(z(a)) -sin(zeta(A)) * sin(theta(A))

-sin(theta(A)) * cos(z(a)) -sin(theta(A)) * sin(z(a)) cos(theta(A)) ]
Then you calculate the following column vector v with the decimal coordinates from the epoch:
alpha = right ascension in decimal coordinates
delta = declination in decimal coordinates
v =
[cos(alpha)*cos(delta)
sin(alpha)*cos(delta)
sin(delta)]
Then you multiply P' and v to form column vector s.
Now you convert to the precessed epoch, recalculating zeta(A), z(A), and theta(A) with T = (Julian day of precessed epoch - 2451545)/36525.
Now construct the following matrix, which is really just a transposition of the first matrix but with the new values for zeta(A), z(A), and theta(A):
P =
[cos(zeta(A))*cos(theta(A))*cos(z(a))-sin(zeta(A))*sin(z(a) -sin(zeta(A))*cos(theta(A))*cos(z(a))-cos(zeta(A))*sin(z(a)) -sin(theta(A)) * cos(z(a))
cos(zeta(A)) * cos(theta(A)) * sin(z(a)) + sin(zeta(A)) * cos(z(a)) -sin(zeta(A))* cos(theta(A)) * sin(z(a)) + cos(zeta(A)) * cos(z(a)) -sin(theta(A)) * sin(z(a))
cos(zeta(A)) * sin(theta(A)) -sin(zeta(A)) * sin(theta(A)) cos(theta(A)) ]
Then calculate column vector w by multiplying matrix P by the previously calculated column vector s.
w=
[m
n
p]
Then you extract the precessed coordinates by the following formula:
Precessed Right Ascension = tan^-1(n/m)
Precessed declination = sin^-1(p)
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut



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Why is it, that when I click on this thread, there is no bar above the thread where we can give the stars for the thread, like we do with all other threads?
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Because you already voted on this thread.
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hmm, maybe your right.

Astro the hallmark of a good teacher is that they can take complex material, & simplify it down into understandable material for the student. Time & time again, you throw out complex material that only a astronomer can understand & you fail to reach the student, hence the frustration from peeps. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here, that you are not snowballing people with your complex explainations. You really do need to get your Ego out of way, & come down to the level of the peeps here. Otherwise why are you wasting your time on this forum, it makes no sense.
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I simplified the method as much as possible, using the bare minimum in this case of a simple SLR camera, a tripod, and a long exposure of the north star. I even created and provided a spreadsheet with the mathematical formulae already included for those disinclined to do it themselves. How much more simple can it get? If you expect me to teach an entire course on the mathematics and astronomy up to the level required to work through the equations I posted, then you don't understand my purpose here.

I posted the equations as proof that I'm not simply bullshitting with a spreadsheet that is harder to deconstruct than just the equations by themselves. There is nothing stopping you from taking my equations and my spreadsheet to the nearest professor of astronomy and asking if it's bullshit or real. It's not my job to do your work for you.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut


Astro, I see that you are the type of person who is incapable of explaining things in simple terms for people to learn from. I'm not an astronomer, but I can learn from a teacher who can bring it down to lay-peoples language. For the most part Astro, every post of yours I read, boasts of major Ego & that is what is getting in your way. maybe one day, when your older, & you can see things more clearly, you will be able to enjoy the experience of genuinely connecting with people, where "they" are at.
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Really? Name one person excluding yourself who understands your "spreadsheets" and calculations!!
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I'm pretty sure 7444 understands it, if he's around. This poster would certainly be able to verify it as well:
Thread: The sun is randomly out of position. (Page 9)
Any university astronomy professor worth his salt should be able to verify it. If you want a specific name, Dr. Peter Duffett-Smith can definitely understand and verify my spreadsheet.
[link to www.phy.cam.ac.uk]
Feel free to reach out to him for verification if you're so inclined.
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I am inclined.
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Then let me know what the response is.
I gave it a far effort but alas. Probably more effect than most. 0.1 percent actually had a look at your spreadsheets.
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For some, probably most, it's enough to know that dedicated amateur astronomers like me are monitoring it with our own equipment and would know if there were any significant changes in the earth's orientation (measured in degrees or even arcminutes, not milliarcseconds). Some may want to look into it themselves, and for them I have provided both the spreadsheet and the equations the spreadsheet uses. Amazingly, shockingly, I'm actually being attacked for daring to post the equations.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut


The maths is probably sound, but you rule out intent,creativty,emotion you cling to math like it's a pillar of truth but it's not. concepts, theories and even facts are ever evolving and constantly changing. You idea of the world is from outside yourself, mine is not.
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That sounds exactly like:

"When two blue gorillas ride the back of a unicorn, how much does their fur weigh when it's cloudy?"

lmao
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The answer is simple : it will weight exactly 2 miles and half of a rainbow.

epiclol
 Quoting: deplorable recollector


chuckle

That could be, but was it the upper or lower half of the rainbow?
 Quoting: Searchalot

Laugh all you want, the math works and the data proves it.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut


Come on, lighten up my dear bot.

I gave 5 stars for your effort, but the math you display is for 99,99% of GLP gibberish.
So I belaughed my own ignorance.

In some kind of way you almost have to be some kind of cyborg to understand it and be able to communicate it in the most understandable way, though.

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ASTRO, I have a question for you, if you would be so kind to explain.

If we stand on earth and look at the moon, it appears to be a certain size, If we were to stand on the moon and look at earth, since earth is so much larger, wouldn't the earth appear to be significantly larger than the moon appears as seen from earth?
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Yes, but if you're going to post photos from the Apollo missions showing the size of the earth from the moon I should point out that you would need to actually measure the angular size of the earth in the moon's sky to see if it was as expected or not.

Take for example this classic picture from Apollo 17:
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov (secure)]
It was taken at 118 hours into the mission, and at that time the earth was about 387,339 km from the Apollo 17 landing site. Given a diameter of about 12,742 km, the earth should have had an angular size of about 1.8846 degrees in the lunar sky. Yes, that's significantly larger than the moon from earth's sky, but how big should it look in the picture? That depends on the focal length of the camera's lens and the size of the resulting field of view. The 80mm lens used on the Hasselblad camera for this shot resulted in a field of view of about 38x38 degrees.
[link to history.nasa.gov]
Given the resolution of the above scan, that results in a pixel resolution of about 0.0162 degrees per pixel. So earth's apparent diameter should be about 116 pixels in the image. If we overlay a circle with those pixel dimensions on top of the image we find it's a very good match for the actual size of earth in the image:
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Of course earth isn't a perfect circle in the image at all due to its phase angle, but the overall size of earth in the image appears to be correct given the field of view of the camera.
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I'm pretty sure 7444 understands it, if he's around. This poster would certainly be able to verify it as well:
Thread: The sun is randomly out of position. (Page 9)
Any university astronomy professor worth his salt should be able to verify it. If you want a specific name, Dr. Peter Duffett-Smith can definitely understand and verify my spreadsheet.
[link to www.phy.cam.ac.uk]
Feel free to reach out to him for verification if you're so inclined.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut



I am inclined.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57231332

Then let me know what the response is.
I gave it a far effort but alas. Probably more effect than most. 0.1 percent actually had a look at your spreadsheets.
 Quoting: AC

For some, probably most, it's enough to know that dedicated amateur astronomers like me are monitoring it with our own equipment and would know if there were any significant changes in the earth's orientation (measured in degrees or even arcminutes, not milliarcseconds). Some may want to look into it themselves, and for them I have provided both the spreadsheet and the equations the spreadsheet uses. Amazingly, shockingly, I'm actually being attacked for daring to post the equations.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut


The maths is probably sound, but you rule out intent,creativty,emotion
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57231332

Emotion is irrelevant, as is intent. If you have a creative solution that shows my math is wrong, then by all means post it.
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Because you already voted on this thread.
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hmm, maybe your right.

Astro the hallmark of a good teacher is that they can take complex material, & simplify it down into understandable material for the student. Time & time again, you throw out complex material that only a astronomer can understand & you fail to reach the student, hence the frustration from peeps. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here, that you are not snowballing people with your complex explainations. You really do need to get your Ego out of way, & come down to the level of the peeps here. Otherwise why are you wasting your time on this forum, it makes no sense.
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I simplified the method as much as possible, using the bare minimum in this case of a simple SLR camera, a tripod, and a long exposure of the north star. I even created and provided a spreadsheet with the mathematical formulae already included for those disinclined to do it themselves. How much more simple can it get? If you expect me to teach an entire course on the mathematics and astronomy up to the level required to work through the equations I posted, then you don't understand my purpose here.

I posted the equations as proof that I'm not simply bullshitting with a spreadsheet that is harder to deconstruct than just the equations by themselves. There is nothing stopping you from taking my equations and my spreadsheet to the nearest professor of astronomy and asking if it's bullshit or real. It's not my job to do your work for you.
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Astro, I see that you are the type of person who is incapable of explaining things in simple terms for people to learn from. I'm not an astronomer, but I can learn from a teacher who can bring it down to lay-peoples language.
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Knock off the back handed attempt at an insult. It isn't working. The vast majority of people who have seen my video understand and appreciate it. Just because YOU aren't capable of getting it doesn't really mean anything.
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5 stars for actual science presented in a cogent manner. Well done sir.
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I gave 5 stars for your effort, but the math you display is for 99,99% of GLP gibberish.
So I belaughed my own ignorance.
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I am inclined.
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Then let me know what the response is.
I gave it a far effort but alas. Probably more effect than most. 0.1 percent actually had a look at your spreadsheets.
 Quoting: AC

For some, probably most, it's enough to know that dedicated amateur astronomers like me are monitoring it with our own equipment and would know if there were any significant changes in the earth's orientation (measured in degrees or even arcminutes, not milliarcseconds). Some may want to look into it themselves, and for them I have provided both the spreadsheet and the equations the spreadsheet uses. Amazingly, shockingly, I'm actually being attacked for daring to post the equations.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut


The maths is probably sound, but you rule out intent,creativty,emotion
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57231332

Emotion is irrelevant, as is intent. If you have a creative solution that shows my math is wrong, then by all means post it.
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About irrelevant as your perception of what's relevant.
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Then let me know what the response is.
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For some, probably most, it's enough to know that dedicated amateur astronomers like me are monitoring it with our own equipment and would know if there were any significant changes in the earth's orientation (measured in degrees or even arcminutes, not milliarcseconds). Some may want to look into it themselves, and for them I have provided both the spreadsheet and the equations the spreadsheet uses. Amazingly, shockingly, I'm actually being attacked for daring to post the equations.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut


The maths is probably sound, but you rule out intent,creativty,emotion
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57231332

Emotion is irrelevant, as is intent. If you have a creative solution that shows my math is wrong, then by all means post it.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut



About irrelevant as your perception of what's relevant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 57231332

These are scientific matters based on cold hard facts, so how I "feel" emotionally about it, or what my "intentions" are, do not matter to the answer. If my "emotion" was that I hate you and those like you and my "intention" was to make you all look like idiots, then I'm still just as right as I am if my "emotion" is compassion for those who don't know any better and my "intention" is to show people that with ordinary camera equipment you can personally confirm that the earth hasn't tilted out of whack to any degree that can be seen by eye.
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The Earth has had climate change for eons. It is true with no doubt. Change is the only constant here on Earth. How much currently is induced by man is not known. What is known it will change and freeze us solid one day so enjoy your arguments. It's not the hot periods we should fear.
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Nice work, I can confirm the complexity of your calculations. But however I must point out you are looking in the wrong direction!! Think of the discrepancies not as the earth tilts but as it Bob's up and down. Looking north the stars will still be in the same place, you need to look East or West to discover "the bob" .
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So Earth is not tilting, but bobbing?

So stars should dissappear and reappear on the horizon over the years?
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Try 3 weeks for a complete up and down bob. Northern hemisphere early summer. You will see if you know what to watch for
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You're confusing the Earth with your mother, bobbing up and down on any dude that has 10 dollars.





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