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The ZAP-X Electric Crossover - 155mph, 644 bhp, AWD, 10 minute recharge, 350 Mile Range

 
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February 2, 2007 In a marriage seemingly well matched, electric automobile pioneer ZAP has chosen Lotus Engineering’s platform and body structure design as the basis for the development of the high performance electric ZAP-X. The car is based on the advanced APX (Aluminium Performance Crossover ) concept car and will be shown for the first time at the North American Dealers Association (NADA) exhibition which opens tomorrow (February 3). A combination of the lightweight aluminium vehicle architecture, a new efficient drive and advanced battery management systems is intended to enable a range of up to 350 miles between charges, with a rapid 10-minute recharging time. An auxiliary power unit is planned to support longer distance journeys. The good news for sports enthusiasts is the performance courtesy of a killer power-to- weight ratio. - four in-hub electric motors, deliver 161 bhp apiece, which add together for 644 horsepower in all wheel drive mode, and capable of powering the ZAP-X to a top speed of 155mph.

Steve Schneider, CEO of ZAP, said: “Lotus Engineering's APX technology demonstrator vehicle is a perfect fit for our plans to introduce a full product portfolio of electric cars. Due to the initial design by Lotus, our cost and time to production will be significantly reduced. We believe that the ZAP-X will become the most advanced, most practical and most appealing flagship electric vehicle to date and will revolutionize the industry providing the driver with the enjoyment of a sports car and the practicality of an SUV.”

Mike Kimberley, CEO of Group Lotus plc, said: “Lotus Engineering’s APX is a world-class innovative concept and was developed to showcase real solutions to new challenges facing the automotive industry. So it’s very satisfying that ZAP’s proposed new model will make use of a great deal of the APX concept’s advanced body structure and chassis technology. The bringing together of these next-generation vehicle technologies represents another significant step forward for automotive technology.”

The APX showcases Lotus Engineering’s Versatile Vehicle Architecture technology, combining lightweight aluminium vehicle architecture with exceptionally strong and stiff structural rigidity, as well as lower manufacturing investment requirements. Having first been shown to the world at the Geneva motor show in 2006, the APX concept has won the 2006 European Aluminium Awards in the “Transport and Automotive” category.

The innovative placement of the power train leaves the space previously occupied by the conventional engine and drive train for additional battery capacity and amenities, making it a very consumer-oriented electric car concept. These design features will give the ZAP-X crossover the structural strength, and potentially storage and range that no electric vehicle has yet achieved publicly.

The development programme is proposed to be managed from a new centre of excellence for research and development of environmentally-friendly vehicle designs and technologies.

Engineering input will come from Lotus Engineering Inc, and the British technology consultancy’s other R&D centres in the UK, Malaysia and China.
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Any idea as to cost?

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Well a question I would have is this: If everyone was forced to buy and electric car what or how would it be charged? Would we need to build Nuclear power plants or coal power plants or increase the size of our existing power plants, and if we did there goes all of the benefits from having electric powered cars, as the power plants needed to support the electric cars would out pollute the cars by far.
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Well a question I would have is this: If everyone was forced to buy and electric car what or how would it be charged? Would we need to build Nuclear power plants or coal power plants or increase the size of our existing power plants, and if we did there goes all of the benefits from having electric powered cars, as the power plants needed to support the electric cars would out pollute the cars by far.
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Most people could just recharge them at night, when demand for electrical power goes down significantly.
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Or put solar panels on it or you garage - get a trickle charge . Instead of 10 minutes it takes 4 hours-more than enuff to get you to Starbucks and Walmart.

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Very cool, and very expensive, I'll bet.
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the 10 min charge time is a breakthrough, ain't it?
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get a pushbike
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LOOKS GOOD

700HP, CHARGED IN TEN MINS, HOW MANY KILOWATTS IS THAT??????//

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Very nice! Now if they would just make a truck I would be happy. We already have two electric vehicals but resort to a 3/4 ton diesel truck for the heavy work bring on the the trucks.
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I want it.
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ANY UPDATES?

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ANY INFO ON PROJECTED PRICE?

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ANY INFO ON PROJECTED PRICE?

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I did several Google searches and found more info but no projected price, not yet anyway.
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Electric vehicles + geothermal and solar energy = the way of the future.

Increased viability of electric vehicles through increased electric motor tech and increased battery tech, and use of lighter weight materials for the vehicle itself.

Electricity demands met through sources such as geothermal and solar.

A cleaner world and a better world. WE CAN DO THIS!

This would leave petroleum products for those in which it is absolutely required.
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Re: The ZAP-X Electric Crossover - 155mph, 644 bhp, AWD, 10 minute recharge, 350 Mile Range
RE PRICE

A CAR IS A CAR

THIS ONE HAS MORE AND BIGGER BATTERIES BUT NO ENGINE

WHEELS. EASILY MASS PRODUCED, INCLUDE MOTORS, BREAKS AND SENSORS, BIG DEAL.

EASY TO MAKE PURE ELECTRIC VERSIONS OR HYBRIDS, LITTLE DIESEL POPPOING AWAY AT 1500 RPM.

STILL NO ANSWER TO MY CHARGING QUESTION. CHARGING FOR 350 MILES MUST TAKE SOME AMPS TO DO IT IN 10 MINS.

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Electric vehicles + geothermal and solar energy = the way of the future.

Increased viability of electric vehicles through increased electric motor tech and increased battery tech, and use of lighter weight materials for the vehicle itself.

Electricity demands met through sources such as geothermal and solar.

A cleaner world and a better world. WE CAN DO THIS!

This would leave petroleum products for those in which it is absolutely required.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 190899


Agreed. Plug in hybrids are the way to go. Even if we burned oil to generate power, the pollution would be easier to clean up at a large power plant.

Plus, solar recharging at home !!!
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PREDICTOR

EXCELLENT POINT. ONE POWER STATION, WELL REGULATED, IF UN-NECESSARY, PRODUCES FAR LESS POLLUTION THAN SAY 10,000 MOTOR VEHICLES.

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EXCELLENT POINT. ONE POWER STATION, WELL REGULATED, IF UN-NECESSARY, PRODUCES FAR LESS POLLUTION THAN SAY 10,000 MOTOR VEHICLES.

GL
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN


I'm working on your charge time question. If it was a bunch of Lithium batteries ganged up, it shouldn't take that much longer to charge than a single battery.
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If this costs anything like this electic Lotus knock-off, you are talking $100K:

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Electric vehicles + geothermal and solar energy = the way of the future.

Increased viability of electric vehicles through increased electric motor tech and increased battery tech, and use of lighter weight materials for the vehicle itself.

Electricity demands met through sources such as geothermal and solar.

A cleaner world and a better world. WE CAN DO THIS!

This would leave petroleum products for those in which it is absolutely required.


Agreed. Plug in hybrids are the way to go. Even if we burned oil to generate power, the pollution would be easier to clean up at a large power plant.

Plus, solar recharging at home !!!
 Quoting: Mr. Predictor


Exactly. What will make this more viable is the increase in solar cell tech that will come. No doubt solar cell tech is an intensive area of research. Current commonly available solar cells are 5-20% efficient, with most being around 12% IIRC. Research just produced a solar cell that is about 40% efficient. Solar cells that are 60-80% efficient could revolutionize the world, and we will get there sooner or later.

Your house will still be tied into the "system" for when you needed excess power, but most of your power at home could be made through your own solar cell and battery setup. I can imagine some dude one day saying, "honey, I need to get the battery man out here, this one cell is acting up again..."

Imagine an electric car that had its skin, or topmost areas, covered with this high-efficiency solar cell technology also. When additional charging is needed further than what your solar cells provide, you could still plug into an external source- at your house, or at a 'quick charge station'. But often, you would get the charge you need from the car sitting around in the sun. Also, the car could be receiving some additional electricity while it is actually moving as well- increasing the distance between charges.
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I posted this a couple of weeks ago in another thread:


This is what the American automotive industry must do to save itself and help America and the world in the process: revolutionize the automotive industry.

They are going to have to create the "Volkswagen" of today to save the American automotive industry. They are going to have to be the first ones to bring a new phase to the automotive industry. This is where we are headed and the sooner they not only realize this, but get us there, the better. On way or another.

That will be a class of economical, electric vehicles that will be so desireable in so many aspects to consumers that they drive down sales of petroleum-fueled vehicles.

-That means longer distances on 1 charge.
-A top speed of at least 75 mph.
-costs comparable to or less than today's cars.
-electric brake/electric generator recharge technology- like is already on some hybrid cars, but even more efficient.
-lightweight for increased efficiency. Less than 800- 1,000 lbs. Luxury will have to take a little slide, but it wont be horrible- who knows, maybe itll be even better.
-Overall simple design for low cost.
-Plastics, and other non-metal materials are where its at.

Three things are needed:
1) Increased efficiency of battery cell technology to combine more power output, and more amp-hour output, with lighter battery cells that have a long lifespan. *This is critical.
2) Increased efficiency of the electric engine, and the electricity-generating brake. So the energy used to slow and stop the car is also recharging the batteries to a better degree. This, along with solar cell on-the-car technology and increased battery tech, can also help to increase the automotive output between charges.

and I'll tack on a third, so that other natural resources are not used to create the electricity to power this new age of road travel:

3) Highly efficient solar cell technology that is near 80% efficient, at a price and in a setup(also with new battery technology) available to, the people for home use for the creation of electrical energy. Also, solar cell techonology attached to the hood, trunk, and roof of the vehicle itself; to also help charge the vehicle while it is parked, and to lengthen the travel time by adding electricity while driving.
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I THINK THE SOLAR PANEL THIN FILM TECHNOLOGY ALREADY EXISTS, MEANS YOU CAN CHARGE THE CAR, CHANGE COLOURS AND DISPLAY ADD=S JUST ON YOUR WHIM, AS WELL AS DRIVE AROUND.

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I posted this a couple of weeks ago in another thread:


This is what the American automotive industry must do to save itself and help America and the world in the process: revolutionize the automotive industry.

They are going to have to create the "Volkswagen" of today to save the American automotive industry. They are going to have to be the first ones to bring a new phase to the automotive industry. This is where we are headed and the sooner they not only realize this, but get us there, the better. On way or another.

That will be a class of economical, electric vehicles that will be so desireable in so many aspects to consumers that they drive down sales of petroleum-fueled vehicles.

-That means longer distances on 1 charge.
-A top speed of at least 75 mph.
-costs comparable to or less than today's cars.
-electric brake/electric generator recharge technology- like is already on some hybrid cars, but even more efficient.
-lightweight for increased efficiency. Less than 800- 1,000 lbs. Luxury will have to take a little slide, but it wont be horrible- who knows, maybe itll be even better.
-Overall simple design for low cost.
-Plastics, and other non-metal materials are where its at.

Three things are needed:
1) Increased efficiency of battery cell technology to combine more power output, and more amp-hour output, with lighter battery cells that have a long lifespan. *This is critical.
2) Increased efficiency of the electric engine, and the electricity-generating brake. So the energy used to slow and stop the car is also recharging the batteries to a better degree. This, along with solar cell on-the-car technology and increased battery tech, can also help to increase the automotive output between charges.

and I'll tack on a third, so that other natural resources are not used to create the electricity to power this new age of road travel:

3) Highly efficient solar cell technology that is near 80% efficient, at a price and in a setup(also with new battery technology) available to, the people for home use for the creation of electrical energy. Also, solar cell techonology attached to the hood, trunk, and roof of the vehicle itself; to also help charge the vehicle while it is parked, and to lengthen the travel time by adding electricity while driving.
 Quoting: KJ 190899


and the last piece of the puzzle is that we BUY the damn things instead of all big cars
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ITS NOT ABOUT THE BATTERIES ITS ABOUT THE CURRENT.

TO USE 600HP TO GO 350 MILES IN FIVE HOURS, CONSUMES SO MANY KILOWATT HOURS OF ELECTRICITY. HOW DO YOU PUMP THAT MUCH IN TEN MINS.

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ITS NOT ABOUT THE BATTERIES ITS ABOUT THE CURRENT.

TO USE 600HP TO GO 350 MILES IN FIVE HOURS, CONSUMES SO MANY KILOWATT HOURS OF ELECTRICITY. HOW DO YOU PUMP THAT MUCH IN TEN MINS.

GL
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN


patience man, I working on it !!!!!

it might not be the amount of current, but the ability of the battery to make the chemical change

I think the new super capacitors might be a better storage unit
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well, 600hp = 448kw or 448,000 watts

assume the battery bank is 500 volts

amps = watts/volts = 448,000/500 = 895 amps

so I guess if you would use 895 amps for 5 hours it would be 4475 amp hours. so the same work in 10 minutes would take 26,850 amps at 500 volts

of course a motor won't take 600hp continuosly

40 hp = 30,000 watts

assume the battery bank is 500 volts

30,000/500 = 60 amps

300 amp hours => 1500 amps in 10 minutes
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ITS NOT ABOUT THE BATTERIES ITS ABOUT THE CURRENT.

TO USE 600HP TO GO 350 MILES IN FIVE HOURS, CONSUMES SO MANY KILOWATT HOURS OF ELECTRICITY. HOW DO YOU PUMP THAT MUCH IN TEN MINS.

GL
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There are batteries that can be fully charged in 10-15 minutes. I know because I have some for a remote control vehicle that I operate. So that part isnt a problem.


About the current youre asking about, yes it takes pretty high current going into the batteries in just 10 minutes to make the kind of amp-hours output they are talking about, but its easily doable.

The sun, charging batteries, which in turn charge batteries in your car, which runs an electric motor, which makes your car go and makes the world go round.

The things we have today, if shown to people only 40 years ago, people would have flipped out in awe.

We will advance, ... If all this crap about the New World Order enslaving mankind is not true... A free world will better itself, an totalitarian, police state, enslaved world will not.
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300 amp hours => 1500 amps in 10 minutes
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Holy Shit thats a lot. Thats a total of 750,000 watts for 10 mins!?

Are all those calcs you did correct?
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300 amp hours => 1500 amps in 10 minutes


Holy Shit thats a lot. Thats a total of 750,000 watts for 10 mins!?

Are all those calcs you did correct?
 Quoting: KJ 190899


hey, it's the weekend !!!!


think about it, all the energy needed to drive for 5 hours stuffed into a car in 10 minutes
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300 amp hours => 1500 amps in 10 minutes


Holy Shit thats a lot. Thats a total of 750,000 watts for 10 mins!?

Are all those calcs you did correct?
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750,000 watts = 750kw = 1000hp in 10 minutes = 34 hp in 300 minutes

looks close
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