How to Have a Spiritual Awakening and Wind Up with Facism in One easy Step

Excellent post!

Thank You for the compliment and encouragement 4776.

I'm so afraid that by the time we're rushing to fix global warming, fight wars, endure economic shortages and enduring more repression, we will have less time & energy to look at the root cause of Spirit-Soul imbalance.

Another aspect of the Soul we diminish is listening. What happened to diplomacy in our foreign affairs? How many good listeners do you know in your everyday life?

I think you are ready for the wisdom contained in OAHSPE.

[But then i recommend it for everyone. However only a few seem to get it.]

Very nicely said, RS!




Welcome, btw!

I agree with your ideas about balance. But, as you will note from the news and tv reporting, the imbalance you refer to occurs because people are TOO emotional about situations reported. They get too heated, too opinionated, too defensive, too angry. The PTB encourage this because they divide the people in order to rule.

When we can stand back from our emotions, like the Bhuddists, and realise the soul is not emotion...it's love..than we know there is no fear and there are no sides (ie duality).

In truth, nothing is really important or pressing (although I find the suffering of my brothers/sisters the hardest to bear) because all the world's a stage and we're simply playing.

Did you read the thread about Awakening from the Dream? Very enlightening!

Divinity

I was just wondering exactly what could be done to halt the attacks upon me by those with maturation deficits, convoluted thought processes, or just zombie people who have lost the spirit connection. I like your post very much and will reflect upon it a lot. I was with the wave of einlightenment in the 60's and 70's and I really thought we were ushering in a new way of life with the dawning of the age of Aquarius. Then I dropped out of society for all of the 80's and focused on raising my children. When I reemerged in the 90's I was stunned at what had happened in the 80's! There's hope though, the baby boomers are now elders and those of us who are sober and alive are dedicated to making that connection that was lost in the 80's. We do not intend to leave you young folks carrying the burden alone, we are taking resonsibility and coming up with solutions. We have spirit power, we elders. Thank you for coming to this planet and picking up the sword of pure truth, love and light from Prime Creator/Creatrix. We are with you.

..there is a lack of spiritual awareness in the Kali Yuga. Many have abandoned what they 'know' is true for the material which they are told is what's important, but I must say that many haven't been born with the ability to develop their own 'spirituality'. It is due to, and I mean no offense to any, religion and doctrine shadowing the free will of an individual. People don't relate to nature and cycles anymore, they just play what they've been programmed to believe. Many don't research what they believe and they don't want to...I'll call it inherited devolution, whereas they just latch onto the last generation's ignorance and accept it as their own. This is where we can also see where free will is no longer something as desirable as that new Nissan or cell phone, idolatry in true form. Unfortunate? Not at all, it's natural for society to fall apart first at the spiritual level, then through hating others for what they 'have' or what they 'lack'.

..all things MUST come to an end for this very reason, and it's nothing to be sad about because as I see it, it's an unavoidable situation....and don't forget, it has been told and written down for us to know..but who's really spiritual enough to look inside themselves and start at the core, understanding self?

...most just want a new cell phone...silly bastards!

Great Post btw,...Peace to you...

...many are too lazy as well do look to the past to understand the present, most just don't know where to start or where to look...here is a snippet from a description of the Kali Yuga de wikipedia:

" -In relation to rulers

Rulers will become unreasonable: they will levy taxes unfairly. Rulers will no longer see it their duty to promote spirituality or to protect their subjects: they will become a danger to the world. People will start migrating seeking countries where wheat and Barley form the staple food source.

- In relation to people's relationships

Avarice and wrath will be common, men will openly display animosity towards each other. Ignorance of Dharma will occur. Lust will be viewed as being socially acceptable. People will have thoughts of murder for no justification, and they will see nothing wrong with that mind-set.

People will no longer follow the science of reason and instead be led by their emotions instead of their minds. Family murders will also occur. People will see those who are helpless as easy targets and remove everything from them.

Many other unwanted changes will occur. The right hand will deceive the left and the left the right. Men with false reputation of learning will teach the Truth and the old will betray the senselessness of the young, and the young will betray the dotage of the old. Cowards will have the reputation of bravery and the brave will be enervated cowards. People will not trust a single person in the world, not even their immediate family. Even husband and wife will find contempt in each other.

In the Kali Yuga there will be teenage pregnancies. The primary cause will be the social acceptance of intercourse as being the central requirement of life.

It is believed that sin will increase exponentially, whilst virtue will fade and cease to flourish. People will take vows only to break them soon.

Alongside death and famine being everywhere, men will have lustful thoughts and so will women. People will without reason destroy trees and gardens. As previously mentioned, men will murder. There will be no respect for animals, and also meat eating will start.

People will become addicted to intoxicating drinks. Men will find their jobs stressful and will go to retreats to escape their work.

Gurus will no longer be respected and their students will attempt to injure them. Their teachings will be insulted and followers of Kama will wrest control of the mind from all humans.

Throughout the age, humans become shorter in height and weaker physically as well as mentally and spiritually.

As the sin increases exponentially, so will the incidence of divine justice and wrath. Sinners will be punished sooner by apparent freak means. However witnesses to these acts of justice will have a choice to recognize the power of God and submit to Him or disregard it as a freak incident and continue on the path of Sin and eventually be destroyed in the most gruesome incidents.

- Weather and nature conditions in the Kali Yuga

when flowers will be begot within flowers, and fruits within fruits, then will the Yuga come to an end. And the clouds will pour rain unseasonably when the end of the Yuga approaches."

...this knowledge has been around for thousands of years...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Thanks for the compliments October, NotReallyHuman_ and Jesta Wunderin. I don't get much validation for these insights in my daily life outside.

Anyone know what OAHSPE is?

I'm so glad you responded Jesta Wunderin and mentioned what happened in the 80's. That's where most of the damage was done and a wrong turn was taken. Soul is magnetic. It draws in the electro spiritual energy. So if you cut off the soul, spirituality is harder to manifest. I was devistated in 80's and before that I was growing and optomistic about better times ahead. I still haven't fully recovered and am struggling to keep my head above water on all levels.

In response to Divinity about there being too much emotion, I'm glad you brought out a challenging point. From what I've studied, Denied emotions are thrust outward onto others in a blaming manner and acted out on others instead of being owned. For example would you rather have a jealous lover who knows they're jealous and can share and talk about it, or one who denies they are jealous and gets into paranoia, upset, rage and anger and unconciously acts it out on you? So denied feminine energy is not so much lack of emotion but unbalanced emotion that blames others and is acted out and often comes out as rage, anger and hatred in the scenario reflected upon in the Kali Yuga.

As for Buddhism, I consider it the best religion, even though I think religion is a problem and not the solution. They are quite peaceful and respectful of all life. However I feel they have also detached parts of their "lower" nature in an attempt to rise above it and this cut-off energy is pushed into the Outside where it manifests in repressive regimes such as those in Burma, Tibet, Vietnam and possibly others.

Yes, I also feel love is the answer but do we also think about creating favorible conditions for it to exist? Can it flourish in a spiritually toxic atmosphere we have, or do we need to build a new foundation and fertile ground to help it thrive (a feminine energy concept). Unbalanced male energy says "Just do it" and overcome all obstacles. Unbalanced female energy says "Lets plant a fertile garden & wait & hope for love to sprout". The balanced energy would be aware of the importance of maintaining the right fertile conditions which will facilitate our realizing that our essence is love and helps us manifest and actively share it.

Renegade Starchild

'Oahspe is a book written in 1880 by an American dentist named John Ballou Newbrough [1828-1891]. He claimed that it was the result of automatic writing, dictated to him by spirits in a trance. In this trance he wrote the entire book on a very early typewriter (possibly the first such book ever written on a machine!). The spirits were very profilic; Oahspe is about four-fifths the size of the King James Bible, and more than twice the size of the Book of Mormon. Other texts archived at Sacred-texts authored via automatic writing during the 19th century include the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ, and Clothed with the Sun.

Oahspe appeared in the context of the Spiritualist movement, the Victorian predecessor of the "New Age" channelling and past life regressions. It has similarities to Theosophy, and, strangely enough, to the rumored science-fiction Scientology mythology (which, of course, has no relationship whatsoever to Oahspe or its adherents). Oahspe inspired a radically different set of spiritual beliefs, called Faithism which has a small following even today. The Faithists do not consider Oahspe the literal truth; instead they find inspiration in its many ethical and spiritual passages.'


treat with the usual caution for 'sacred' or 'revealed' literature

great thread title!!!!!

How can something as abstract as a balance between spirit and soul have any impact when it's impossible to discuss the truth about the purely material basis for so-called spiritual experiences?

Hi RS, great discussion! RS wrote:
>>In response to Divinity about there being too much emotion, I'm glad you brought out a challenging point. From what I've studied, Denied emotions are thrust outward onto others in a blaming manner and acted out on others instead of being owned.>>

Quite right. Denied emotions are what make people sick and relationships strained. This is a very 'British' disease! Once you start to own ALL your feelings and get to recognise the programmes (buttons) which make you react, not only do you learn a lot about yourself but you can tweak them to your own liking and stop blaming others for everything.


>>For example would you rather have a jealous lover who knows they're jealous and can share and talk about it, or one who denies they are jealous and gets into paranoia, upset, rage and anger and unconciously acts it out on you? So denied feminine energy is not so much lack of emotion but unbalanced emotion that blames others and is acted out and often comes out as rage, anger and hatred in the scenario reflected upon in the Kali Yuga.>>

Yes, a good example, and the latter emotions all come down to 'not feeling safe' (insecurity), which emanate from experiences we had when we were young.

I think the world has a few problems mainly relating to duality: swinging the pendulum from 'freedom' to 'responsibility', balancing truth with lies, and a whole multitude of belief systems. It's tough and we can only truly change our own world, in the hope it has a knock-on effect to others. I don't quite understand how you conclude it will result in fascism, though!??

Divinity

unfortunately your low ACnumber gives you away as a complete bullshitter from the first sentence



and another

quoting 186939:

"How can something as abstract as a balance between spirit and soul have any impact when it's impossible to discuss the truth about the purely material basis for so-called spiritual experiences?"

I'll give some examples as to how devistating this has been. The conscience and ability to instinctively know right from wrong, a soulful attribute, has diminished, with criminal behavior increasing as a result. When feminism pulled women away from their feminine energy they lost much of their intuitive abilities especially to know which men were potentially abusive. Also the ability to realize the effects of ones actions on others and know future consequences have retatded the evolution of society. Empathy is almost gone and combined with a lack of listening to others' differing viewpoints with empathy, has resulted in disaterous US foreign policy and unnecessary loss of life in the Millions.

...the Kali Yuga is Hindu, not Buddhist. And religion IS the problem, 99% of conflict is because of what people believe, and there is no solution because ignorance is a supporting beam of the ego. "I believe what I believe, and that's all there is to it", is the exact problem...like children all of us...

Repression is another representation of the animal kingdom, which many forget also we're apart of...this is the also ego asserting itself, lending false validity to what used to be grounded by the spirit. There will always be someone that wants what you have and if you were to ask them why, they wouldn't know the true answer to give, so ego would answer for them, "because I want it", ....so sad, the great delusion(hint, hint)

...Will we ever learn? Who really wants to learn? Who wants to find peace? Who wants to live and accept others and be accepted? Well, everyone right? No, that's wrong...we're animals, the only higher purpose is our spirit to give us insight in understanding ourselves and the Great Divine Source(:insert your fav diety here if you have one:), and compassion to be better,(not superior) to one another. Without this, we will remain lost...

Sorry NotReallyHuman_ for the mis-representation of the Kali Yuga. I was responding to Divinity's comment about Buddhists who realise the soul is not emotion.

In my next post I will elaborate on how this imbalance will result in Fascism even though there is a Spiritual Awakening, unless it is seen and addressed.

...no offense taken, just wanted to clarify...Cheers M8!

- next discussion sounds good, let's get started!

So how will this imbalance result in Fascism even though there is a Spiritual Awakening? The abstract arguement is that without the magnetic pull of the feminine energy, any spiritual awakening will not manifest completely and ground, root and take hold as a potent force capable of shifting the dysfunctional paradigm we have today. Case in point is the New Age movement which I had high hopes for and I feel was excellent before the mid 80's when it slowly became "yuppified". They do validate the feminine energy, but still consider mind (male energy) as a leading aspect and feelings (feminine energy) as a following aspect. Example: "Your mind and thoughts create or can control your feelings and emotions".

The change has to occur at home in the parent-child relationship. That's the foundation for everything else. Parents have to stop pimping out their children and invest in that family bond first.

Good point 186939. With both parents struggling to make ends meet in many cases, attention and proper caring for children has decreased.

(Continuing how imbalance will lead to fascism)
So while I had high hopes, attending all sorts of New Age workshops, doing visualizations and affirmations, either they did not work for me or I was inept at keeping the mental, left brained (male energy) approach going on a daily basis. And concurrently I witnessed the slow decay of society, infrastructure, caring about ones fellow man, and the ability to elect wise and beneficial leaders from the mid 80's onward. Why was the New Age movement not benecicial there? Because of DENIAL of undermining opposing forces, plus the concept working on onself to evolve oneself while not seeing or validating the whole picture. Also what attitude may work individually may no be bebeficial for the whole.

I studied the entire spectrum of new age crap and never found the truth about why things are. The Kate Winslet movie Holy Smoke has more truth in it than all the new age crap combined.

So now more concrete examples of how Fascism could arrive with a Spiritual Awakening. Take a look at Nazi Germany. First the Arts, Entertainment, and Socialism (Soulfullness) were slowly dismanteled or corrupted . Then check or research the intertwinings of the church and Hitler's philosophy. Then the Nazis' interest in the occult plus esoteric philosophies of the Eastern Religions and even ancient spiritual teachings used for selfish gain and advantage. Plus the Vatican helped many war criminals to escape. Plenty of unbalanced Male-Spirit orientation while the Feminine-Soul aspect was dismanteled and invalidated AS IS OCCURING RIGHT NOW TODAY.

I think Nazism was simply a Protestant-style response to Judaism. The two philosophies are widely divergent, almost exact opposites. Protantism favors independence and privacy while Judaism favors community and consensus. The two were bound to clash. Too bad people are unable to see the good in both and cooperate to create a society both can find fulfillment in.

Thanks 186939. A Spiritual awakening won't manifest a Golden Age in a state of Denial or having blinders on various avenues of awareness that are too upsetting or challenging to one's beliefs. It won't happen if people who try to alert us to potential disaster in the future or global conspiricies are written off as "negative doom and gloomers" who need to fix themselves. I remember in the early 80's hearing about the 100th Monkey effect in the New Age movement concerning the spontaneous spreading of enlightment if a small percent meditate. What Happened? Well I think they haven't gotten past the first 3 monkeys yet (See-Hear-Speak no evil).

So now the final part of my concern we may wind up with Fascism instead of a Golden Age with Spiritual Awakening. Sorry, we need to make a conscious choice and effort to create conditions for a Golden Age to happen, not just assume It's a done deal and good will overcome evil. We do have help from higher dimensions and ET's but they won't rescue us, we still have to decide which fork in the road to take. In my studies I believe that everytime there is an opportunity for a jump in Human Consciousness, we are pushed into a fork in the road, one being either the Dark Ages again or Age of Aquarius with peace and enlightenment. And most likely this will happen in 2012 and is why there is so much stress and turbulence right now. Re-balancing with Feminine energy or Soulfullness and awakening from denial can help us in the right direction.

It's possible for fascism to come in the guise of feminist-oriented spirituality too. The guys who create the covert structure of social control are clever and fully able to make something bad look good. The CIA people are all over the counterculture as evidenced here:

[link to www.mindcontrolforums.com]

They'll sell people whatever has popular appeal. Just give all people the information they need to make good choices and society will naturally evolve into a balanced state. It's the covert mechanisms which create unbalance.

"How to"'s are mere illusions.