Loyalton, California's pension default is a wake up call | |
TheToolMan (OP) User ID: 71489331 United States 12/10/2016 09:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The crazy part is they only had 5 retirees Last Edited by TheToolMan on 12/10/2016 10:14 AM "My mom said the only reason men are alive is for lawn care and vehicle maintenance." |
Interested_1 User ID: 73217218 United States 12/10/2016 09:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think we will see a lot more of this in the not-so-distant future. I don't know where these people thought all that money was going to come from. Good reminder for us to take responsibility for our own well-being. Take the red pill now...later it will come as a suppository. |
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-Haun- User ID: 67105399 United States 12/10/2016 09:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pinned this because we're going to see a lot more public sector retirees experiencing a large portion of their benefits being cut. In Detroit, where I believe there was a Supreme Court challenge against cutting public sector benefits and they lost, people who were retired for a couple of years found themselves looking for work in order to survive. The Ohio Teacher's Union heavily invested their retirement money into American Airlines which was working great until American Airlines unexpectedly declared bankruptcy. I don't know who oversees public union investment portfolios but this is something the average union worker is going to have to investigate for themselves to secure their retirement. |
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TheToolMan (OP) User ID: 71489331 United States 12/10/2016 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think we will see a lot more of this in the not-so-distant future. I don't know where these people thought all that money was going to come from. Quoting: Interested_1 Good reminder for us to take responsibility for our own well-being. I bet less than 5% of the population thinks about taking on their own financial responsibilities "My mom said the only reason men are alive is for lawn care and vehicle maintenance." |
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TheToolMan (OP) User ID: 71489331 United States 12/10/2016 10:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pinned this because we're going to see a lot more public sector retirees experiencing a large portion of their benefits being cut. In Detroit, where I believe there was a Supreme Court challenge against cutting public sector benefits and they lost, people who were retired for a couple of years found themselves looking for work in order to survive. Quoting: -Haun- The Ohio Teacher's Union heavily invested their retirement money into American Airlines which was working great until American Airlines unexpectedly declared bankruptcy. I don't know who oversees public union investment portfolios but this is something the average union worker is going to have to investigate for themselves to secure their retirement. Thank you "My mom said the only reason men are alive is for lawn care and vehicle maintenance." |
Kirk User ID: 54817127 United States 12/10/2016 10:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think we will see a lot more of this in the not-so-distant future. I don't know where these people thought all that money was going to come from. Quoting: Interested_1 Good reminder for us to take responsibility for our own well-being. I bet less than 5% of the population thinks about taking on their own financial responsibilities they rely on the "experts" Government is a body largely ungoverned. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70184487 United States 12/10/2016 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What does this have to do with you? Did someone ask you to talk about it? if you dont understand what this has to do with all of us shut the fuck up and go back to sleep. What does this have to do with you -- nothing except that 5 retirees can affect the entire calpers system and the magnitude of 5 people is an astute observation. Did someone ask you to talk about it -- yes the op and thread is an open discussion. You Need to keep up with the conversation or shut your mouth. |
TheToolMan (OP) User ID: 71489331 United States 12/10/2016 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What does this have to do with you? Did someone ask you to talk about it? Pointing out how just 5 government employees on pensions can bring the system down... what happens when you have 10's of thousands? "My mom said the only reason men are alive is for lawn care and vehicle maintenance." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 53273258 United States 12/10/2016 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What does this have to do with you? Did someone ask you to talk about it? What does this have to do with you? Did someone ask you to comment on it? My mother lost her insurance with Obozocare. She paid into that for YEARS for retirement and poof, it's gone. What she has now is not half as good as what she lost. She also gets a check from the company that my step-father worked for over 35 years. I personally don't think that's sustainable either. This company takes care of retirees AND the widows of as well as still paying wages and benefits for all the current employees. She quit working as a nurse the minute she started getting it (in her 50s) and never worked again. THAT mentality is why we have all these problems with it now. The goal should be to keep going as long as you can WITH NO PENALTIES (such as cuts if you DO WORK) on what you HAVE COMING and not have the finish line as a permanent check at a certain point. |
TheToolMan (OP) User ID: 71489331 United States 12/10/2016 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What does this have to do with you? Did someone ask you to talk about it? What does this have to do with you? Did someone ask you to comment on it? My mother lost her insurance with Obozocare. She paid into that for YEARS for retirement and poof, it's gone. What she has now is not half as good as what she lost. She also gets a check from the company that my step-father worked for over 35 years. I personally don't think that's sustainable either. This company takes care of retirees AND the widows of as well as still paying wages and benefits for all the current employees. She quit working as a nurse the minute she started getting it (in her 50s) and never worked again. THAT mentality is why we have all these problems with it now. The goal should be to keep going as long as you can WITH NO PENALTIES (such as cuts if you DO WORK) on what you HAVE COMING and not have the finish line as a permanent check at a certain point. I bet that AC crawled back into his hole... "My mom said the only reason men are alive is for lawn care and vehicle maintenance." |
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The Comedian :D User ID: 28162319 United States 12/10/2016 10:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sick … a punch in the stomach.That’s how public retirees in Loyalton, California, are taking news that their town defaulted on its pension payments, resulting in the possibility of their retirement benefits being cut by as much as 60 percent, the majority of their hard-earned livelihood. Quoting: TheToolMan Starve, you fucking parasites. It's not enough that you got paid with stolen taxpayer money while you were "working",but now you get paid with stolen taxpayer money to NOT work? Saint Comedian, Patron Saint of Bringing the Butthurt to Dipshits ‘There are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.’ - General Mattis, USMC, Secretary of Defense [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] "Subterfuge and social pressure are the wheel and fire of the 21st century" - Some asshole Legal Disclaimer: All comments are intended as humor and/or fiction and not advice, and not to be confused with any event or person, living or dead. |
-Haun- User ID: 67105399 United States 12/10/2016 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pinned this because we're going to see a lot more public sector retirees experiencing a large portion of their benefits being cut. In Detroit, where I believe there was a Supreme Court challenge against cutting public sector benefits and they lost, people who were retired for a couple of years found themselves looking for work in order to survive. Quoting: -Haun- The Ohio Teacher's Union heavily invested their retirement money into American Airlines which was working great until American Airlines unexpectedly declared bankruptcy. I don't know who oversees public union investment portfolios but this is something the average union worker is going to have to investigate for themselves to secure their retirement. Thank you |
UseLessRepEATER User ID: 73581519 United States 12/10/2016 10:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This serves as a microcosm of the entire pension/retirement systems nationwide especially with extremely low bond yields going back several years. There will be blood in the streets.... Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies..... Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. ~H. L. Mencken~ We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. ~Plato~ When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. ~Dresden James~ |
-Haun- User ID: 67105399 United States 12/10/2016 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What does this have to do with you? Did someone ask you to talk about it? Pointing out how just 5 government employees on pensions can bring the system down... what happens when you have 10's of thousands? In the case of the TARP distribution during the Detroit automaker bailout, the UAW retirement fund got a piece of that pie, as did the UAW in general. How that was dispersed among individual employees and retirees was a detail I could not find. Its all in the fine print. |
TheToolMan (OP) User ID: 71489331 United States 12/10/2016 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This serves as a microcosm of the entire pension/retirement systems nationwide especially with extremely low bond yields going back several years. There will be blood in the streets.... Quoting: UseLessRepEATER The small city I live in a suburb of Seattle for years was proud of all the cash in the bank. Now they are freaking out because next year they forecast they don't have enough. Pretty scary for one of the wealthiest zip codes in the state... "My mom said the only reason men are alive is for lawn care and vehicle maintenance." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 54051235 Canada 12/10/2016 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Public sector unions are just another form of legal theft. Taxpayers are stolen from to support bloated public servant salaries and those same pensions. That pension money goes to fund dodgy investments by companies (read up on CALpers and Enron lol). The pensions then go under and there are demands for the taxpayer who was already stolen from once to bail them out. Lesson: TRIM THE DAMNED FAT BEFOREHAND! |
The Comedian :D User ID: 28162319 United States 12/10/2016 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What does this have to do with you? Did someone ask you to talk about it? What does this have to do with you? Did someone ask you to comment on it? My mother lost her insurance with Obozocare. She paid into that for YEARS for retirement and poof, it's gone. What she has now is not half as good as what she lost. She also gets a check from the company that my step-father worked for over 35 years. I personally don't think that's sustainable either. This company takes care of retirees AND the widows of as well as still paying wages and benefits for all the current employees. She quit working as a nurse the minute she started getting it (in her 50s) and never worked again. THAT mentality is why we have all these problems with it now. The goal should be to keep going as long as you can WITH NO PENALTIES (such as cuts if you DO WORK) on what you HAVE COMING and not have the finish line as a permanent check at a certain point. Saint Comedian, Patron Saint of Bringing the Butthurt to Dipshits ‘There are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.’ - General Mattis, USMC, Secretary of Defense [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] "Subterfuge and social pressure are the wheel and fire of the 21st century" - Some asshole Legal Disclaimer: All comments are intended as humor and/or fiction and not advice, and not to be confused with any event or person, living or dead. |
The Comedian :D User ID: 28162319 United States 12/10/2016 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Public sector unions are just another form of legal theft. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54051235 Taxpayers are stolen from to support bloated public servant salaries and those same pensions. That pension money goes to fund dodgy investments by companies (read up on CALpers and Enron lol). The pensions then go under and there are demands for the taxpayer who was already stolen from once to bail them out. Lesson: TRIM THE DAMNED FAT BEFOREHAND! Saint Comedian, Patron Saint of Bringing the Butthurt to Dipshits ‘There are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.’ - General Mattis, USMC, Secretary of Defense [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] "Subterfuge and social pressure are the wheel and fire of the 21st century" - Some asshole Legal Disclaimer: All comments are intended as humor and/or fiction and not advice, and not to be confused with any event or person, living or dead. |
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Craazee8 User ID: 72893225 United States 12/10/2016 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think we will see a lot more of this in the not-so-distant future. I don't know where these people thought all that money was going to come from. Quoting: Interested_1 Good reminder for us to take responsibility for our own well-being. You need to understand what the Communists(Democrats)understood from the implementation of the Social Security system that it would collapse, and that the promise to Union / Government workers of giant pensions would collapse. Communism has always been a global internationalist scheme and its goal is the collapse of nations. Democrats in the Senate on Thursday held a recess hearing covering a taxpayer bailout of union pensions and a plan to seize private 401(k) plans to more “fairly” distribute taxpayer-funded pensions to everyone. Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), Chairman of the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee heard from hand-picked witnesses advocating the infamous “Guaranteed Retirement Account” (GRA) authored by Theresa Guilarducci.... the GRA system government would seize private 401(k) accounts, setting up an additional 5% mandatory payroll tax to dole out a “fair” pension to everyone using that confiscated money coupled with the mandated contributions. This would, of course, be a sister government ponzi scheme working in tandem with Social Security, the primary purpose being to give big government politicians additional taxpayer funds to raid to pay for their out-of-control spending. [link to www.shtfplan.com] They will wait another 20-30 years to do this, but no doubt, this is part of their long term plan, and always has been. |