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This Reality Is A Computer Simulation, Billion To One Odds We Are The Base Civilization

 
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Although I find the idea interesting and plausible, it ends up falling in-line with New Age/Luciferian Doctrine.

"The Code" is God's Code.
Science is the art of understanding God's Design and albeit trying to control it, not wise.
Anyone who has Faith and spent time researching fractals, golden ratio, Fibonacci etc etc...Can clearly see God's Design at work and basically giggle at this type of talk.

Here is some info.
[link to www.godandscience.org]

George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological status of the word."

This link is a podcast type of audio breakdown.
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I must invoke Occam's razor.

God did it. There's a divine creator. That's the reason for the mathematical perfection of the universe.

Oh but that would be too simple. Yes, the real answer must be Keanu Reeves.

Whatever.
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And who did God?
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Although I find the idea interesting and plausible, it ends up falling in-line with New Age/Luciferian Doctrine.

"The Code" is God's Code.
Science is the art of understanding God's Design and albeit trying to control it, not wise.
Anyone who has Faith and spent time researching fractals, golden ratio, Fibonacci etc etc...Can clearly see God's Design at work and basically giggle at this type of talk.

Here is some info.
[link to www.godandscience.org]

George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological status of the word."

This link is a podcast type of audio breakdown.
It is accompanied by a breakdown of the talking points.
[link to www.bethinking.org]
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Did God design flies eating shit, mosquitoes and animals having to kill and eat other animals to survive?

If so, we are in big trouble...
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I haven't read the other posts...

But look at a picture of the solar system. Look at our galaxy. Does the galaxy not look like a cell, and our solar system an atom?

Most solar systems have a binary star system. We don't. Earth is becoming one though, Earth will be the next star, the morning star.

The moon is an isotope.
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if you watch Westworld and you think humans have the right to abuse those AI beings who can actually feel physical pain, then you are justifying what "they" are doing to us here, since we are AI too...
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worms and snakes

ants and spiders
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worms and snakes

ants and spiders
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are those the categories of characters of this MMPORPG?

is this really a MMPORPG?

tell us more...

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And, if so, how could we tell the difference?

"A popular argument for the simulation hypothesis came from University of Oxford philosopher Nick Bostrum in 2003, when he suggested that members of an advanced civilization with enormous computing power might decide to run simulations of their ancestors. They would probably have the ability to run many, many such simulations, to the point where the vast majority of minds would actually be artificial ones within such simulations, rather than the original ancestral minds. So simple statistics suggest it is much more likely that we are among the simulated minds.

And there are other reasons to think we might be virtual. For instance, the more we learn about the universe, the more it appears to be based on mathematical laws. Perhaps that is not a given, but a function of the nature of the universe we are living in. “If I were a character in a computer game, I would also discover eventually that the rules seemed completely rigid and mathematical,” said Max Tegmark, a cosmologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). “That just reflects the computer code in which it was written.”"


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"Billion to one odds that we are the base civilization"

To summarize what is being said above.

Basically, technology will advance to a point where virtual reality will take over our lives. We will advance to a point where simulations will become realistic and indistinguishable from reality. One where the rules to the simulation will be rigid and mathematical.

Now, when we look around, we can see that there are rules that govern our physical reality. These rules can be expressed mathematically and are rigid.

The mathematics that supports this reality being a simulation versus us being the base civilization which will create the first simulation in the future is, statistically speaking, one in a billion...

So, either our future selves created the simulated existence that we are all players within, or an advanced species did so and gave each of us the tools to pull the wool out from in front of our eyes to see the truth that is evident...

We are living within a simulation...
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They ran a simulation to find out it is a billion to one odds our lives are a simulation.

I equate this with Al Gore telling me the Earth is warming and they need money to stop it.

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Possible, but it changes nothing--our intentions, our thinking, and our actions are primarily responsible for our state of being in this reality/simulation.
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They ran a simulation to find out it is a billion to one odds our lives are a simulation.

I equate this with Al Goree telling me the Earth is warming and they need money to stop it.
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if you watch Westworld and you think humans have the right to abuse those AI beings who can actually feel physical pain, then you are justifying what "they" are doing to us here, since we are AI too...
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I know a lot of people who play the Sims who torture their creations. we are a morbid species...humans that is.
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oh, and when thinking about the simulation hypothesis, never forget to think about these two topics:


1 - we could be a simulation, inside a simulation, inside a simulation ...


2 - a computer game, or simulation, can be created with two "realms", both of them "just a simulation", but one of the realms thinks that it is superior to the "lower realm", even when both are just part of a computer simulation or game... for example, nothing can prevent you from creating a computer game with a "heaven", where "gods" (who have no clue that they are just characters in a computer simulation) like to play with the lives of the "mortals" (who also have no clue)
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if you watch Westworld and you think humans have the right to abuse those AI beings who can actually feel physical pain, then you are justifying what "they" are doing to us here, since we are AI too...
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I know a lot of people who play the Sims who torture their creations. we are a morbid species...humans that is.
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well, we all know that The Sims is a VERY PRIMITIVE game were the characters are not really capable of feeling real pain...

the situation is different when we create a VERY ADVANCED game where characters are really programmed to think and feel like humans think anf feel...
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i wonder when people will realize they are just nothing more than a big microbe walking around. aimlessly, yet so confined in their own thought processes as if no other microbes are walking around with them. (masses wise)

some do adapt quickly and highly quickly, yet youre just a microbe. nothing more than a virus, eating away at the earth. you were before the bible and you will be after it, until the earth has shook you away and killed you. or we will kill ourselves with more and more multi cellular malfunctions.
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"Billion to one odds that we are the base civilization"

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Yeah. I was thinking the exact same thing.
Sad, the world is run by maniacs and or a crazed psychopath.
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Or Humanity is the resistance or trying to free our minds as we wernt ready for an Alien invasion whilst living in a simulation and thats kind of hopeful. Worst case scenario one of them lowered the shields, let a war begin and there is no resistance. Just some Ferengi fuk about to make 100 derps for an unique game.
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i wonder when people will realize they are just nothing more than a big microbe walking around. aimlessly, yet so confined in their own thought processes as if no other microbes are walking around with them. (masses wise)

some do adapt quickly and highly quickly, yet youre just a microbe. nothing more than a virus, eating away at the earth. you were before the bible and you will be after it, until the earth has shook you away and killed you. or we will kill ourselves with more and more multi cellular malfunctions.
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Our bodies to experience this reality could be considered a microbe. What about the soul?
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if you watch Westworld and you think humans have the right to abuse those AI beings who can actually feel physical pain, then you are justifying what "they" are doing to us here, since we are AI too...
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I know a lot of people who play the Sims who torture their creations. we are a morbid species...humans that is.
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well, we all know that The Sims is a VERY PRIMITIVE game were the characters are not really capable of feeling real pain...

the situation is different when we create a VERY ADVANCED game where characters are really programmed to think and feel like humans think anf feel...
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You cannot program feelings. There is no code for that. All a computer can do is perform certain algorithms.

You can do the algorithms on paper as well, if you wanted to. It would take longer to do them on paper, but in theory it is possible.

Would the paper or your pencil feel something at some point just because you performed the right calculations?

The idea of creating consciousness by performing calculations is so silly, only some brainwashed scientists thinking that science can explain and create everything will believe.
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This is wrong and stupid.
At least nothing's on fire.
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I have figured this out on salvia. The simulation is like a prison . Just like how your video game characters will never find out, we are not suppose to find don't either. I was in the code of our simulation. I saw the other side. The coded side.

Death us not real and only a way to exit the simulation as used code
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i wonder when people will realize they are just nothing more than a big microbe walking around. aimlessly, yet so confined in their own thought processes as if no other microbes are walking around with them. (masses wise)

some do adapt quickly and highly quickly, yet youre just a microbe. nothing more than a virus, eating away at the earth. you were before the bible and you will be after it, until the earth has shook you away and killed you. or we will kill ourselves with more and more multi cellular malfunctions.
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Our bodies to experience this reality could be considered a microbe. What about the soul?
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thank you! i was going to include the soul but at the time couldnt.

the soul is exactly the simulation. imaginary, no binary code in it. no concrete critical reason to be why you are here.
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This is the stowaway. The only one! Random fm!

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God spoke the creation into existence which implies thought and sound and He sustains it constantly. Some of us sustain it in cooperation with Him.
These are mysteries which can be understood by a finite mind.

Possibly underlying is something like the amplituhedron which is geometry, also something which can be understood by a finite mind.

We are told that His mind is not our mind but some of us can share His. This is where a separation in infinite and finite mind occurs. Not everyone will be able to understand this.
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i wonder when people will realize they are just nothing more than a big microbe walking around. aimlessly, yet so confined in their own thought processes as if no other microbes are walking around with them. (masses wise)

some do adapt quickly and highly quickly, yet youre just a microbe. nothing more than a virus, eating away at the earth. you were before the bible and you will be after it, until the earth has shook you away and killed you. or we will kill ourselves with more and more multi cellular malfunctions.
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Our bodies to experience this reality could be considered a microbe. What about the soul?
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thank you! i was going to include the soul but at the time couldnt.

the soul is exactly the simulation. imaginary, no binary code in it. no concrete critical reason to be why you are here.
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That thought process is rather depressing. I would almost reverse that ideology.
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if you watch Westworld and you think humans have the right to abuse those AI beings who can actually feel physical pain, then you are justifying what "they" are doing to us here, since we are AI too...
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I know a lot of people who play the Sims who torture their creations. we are a morbid species...humans that is.
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well, we all know that The Sims is a VERY PRIMITIVE game were the characters are not really capable of feeling real pain...

the situation is different when we create a VERY ADVANCED game where characters are really programmed to think and feel like humans think anf feel...
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Maybe we only think we think and feel.

Maybe the Simulator Programmer really thinks and really feels at levels that are impossible for us to comprehend.
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God spoke the creation into existence which implies thought and sound and He sustains it constantly. Some of us sustain it in cooperation with Him.
These are mysteries which can be understood by a finite mind.

Possibly underlying is something like the amplituhedron which is geometry, also something which can be understood by a finite mind.

We are told that His mind is not our mind but some of us can share His. This is where a separation in infinite and finite mind occurs. Not everyone will be able to understand this.
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how can you understand it then?

how are you more special than others? because they dont believe? people spend their whole lives trying to create a relationship with god and it never happens.

or do you understand this because you just read the bible?
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Simply believing God created everything is way more believable.
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I am comfortable with the biblical account of Creation that can be theorized to be a 3D simulation of sorts. God created the universe and our earth that are a reality to us, based on our limited understanding of reality. But that may be no more than a pale simulation compared to the higher level reality that is heaven.

Some people who claim to have died briefly and gone to visit heaven state that heaven is more real to them than earth is. Everything there appears more alive and vibrant than on earth. I have no problem reconciling this observation to a simulated reality theory.

And quantum scientists have theorized that the smallest thing in the universe is a 'space-time pixel,' which is likely the size of a Planck unit, which is .00000000000000000000000000000016 meters in length (1.6 x 10^-35m.) They believe that there is likely nothing smaller than this in the universe. Nor are there any instruments that can measure anything anywhere near this small. But this is the best candidate for the resolution of our simulated universe.

If an AI in a closed-loop computer simulation game were to gain sentience, would it necessarily perceive any reality outside of it's own virtual reality?

In my theory, the Head Programmer is God. And His Big Bang was the launch of our 3D simulation we call the universe.

And our purpose in this simulation is to learn to love and become a part of God's own perfect higher-reality 'base civilization': His family & everyone in heaven. But we are not individually inherently perfect. Nor are we ever ready or good enough to join his perfect family in their perfect reality. That's why we travel through this school-like simulation here on earth first; to experience life and hardships here first, to weed-out the cold-hearted and the haters. To seek out and find our Creator. To love Him and embrace His perfect plan for us for our salvation through His only Son, Yahshua(Jesus).

It's a simple plan, so even simple people can understand and embrace it. It's not about self, or the mind, or achievement, but about the heart. Once we find our way back to God, and accept His perfect gift for us, we spend the remainder of our lives learning how to be more like Him. And soon we graduate from this simulation and move on up to the true and perfect reality of existence that the bible calls 'heaven.' There we join the 'base civilization.'

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Matrix movies are gnostic propaganda. Just like this pseudo intellectual crap.
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EXPLAIN simulation please

if i walk up to a wall and punch it i will hurt my hand

if i jump off a building i will die

if i walk up to a random person on the street and yell at them, kick them, or rob them there will be repercussions.

if my wife or dog die i become depressed

if i fuck around with booze or cocaine i will get hooked and drain my life savings and become a bum on a park bench looking for my next fix.

how is any of this simulated?

seems real to me





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