Music fell off a fucking cliff after 2002

You sound like an old fart.

Yup. In that period you see the last vestige of popular good rock/pop/alt. And it literally vanishes, replaced by mass market hip hop shit that's remained with us ever since.

30s. And I'm fully aware of the classics from the 70s and earlier. Because you see, those of us raised in the 80s weren't disconnected from what came before. That disconnect only occurred in the kids in the 00s.

Agreed.
Thank god for death Metal music!

There were some legit good bands - technically good - in 2001 and 2002, regardless of taste.

Note, I'm not saying there isn't good music now. There's great music now. But billboard charts are the platinum metric for understanding where a culture is musically. So my claim is that 2003 sees musical culture - and everything that goes with that - falling off a cliff. And that's when millennial culture enters its teens.

Great commentary here. Lot's of truth.
Thanks for the exchange!

Here's my take. In the mid 80s and very early 90s
the major labels had finally cracked the code. Churning out mostly one hit wonders along side of a couple main acts the money was ROLLING in. Studio time was expensive and the industry was limited therefor not nearly as saturated making it easy to turn a profit while at the same time undercutting the artist. The guy that said the grunge era was the death of rock music is a fucking retard. Grunge saved music. Most people who grew up in that era are 35-45 years old now but still remember and love the fact that the underdog beat the establishment...not completely unlike trump whipping Clintons ass....it was magic.

No named engineers made some money, bands who wouldn't have got a second look recorded nice albums and did some successful touring....the money is now gone. Bands mostly self fund EVERYTHING now, which isn't an entirely bad thing because they controll their careers more internally but the music industry is still there plotting. They have much more successfully regained their stronghold on popular music and culture this time around with their own people in place. It's like the Mom and Pop shops VS Walmart. There is so much quality music out there right now that will forever go unnoticed while Mariah struggles to walk up and down steps at the NYE bash.

I don't know the solution...it's probably to dig deeper than the surface crust of the mainstream and find music you like and then to support them by buying their albums and spreading the word. It really is a decent time to be an independent artist though...they weren't making shit back then.

It is very clear (for the more well informed) that some "higher power" gave the order to the entertainment industry to make the music very decadent, nihilistic, dark, depressive, etc. It has been going downhill for many decades but after the 911 false-flag attacks it really accelerated.

Listen here.

In the 2 years after 9/11 150+ songs were banned on clear channel stations.

And they were high profile artists whose songs were likely going to be hits.

It's documented. Looking closer it seems that 9/11 was used as an excuse to ban many high profile acts' latest songs from being on the radio. The replacement was ghetto music.

They literally banned music that was of the previous culture. It didn't fit into the new culture they were creating. They said the music would offend people after what happened on 9/11.


Anybody who thinks that fixing government is the answer is mistaken. Our culture was ripped away from us and replace with a culture that is destructive to us.

How do we go about reversing that?

Face it people
The west is done.

rock is dead for sure. music nowadays is all generic sounding. it all sounds the same.

What about the sounds of Nikki Minaj?

Dumb down music just like education

freaking obama and hillary ...used it..



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What happened to music? Simple! Tecnhology happened. Until aproximatelly 2002, producing a record was expensive and record labels were managed by people with music knowledge. They knew what was bad or good with a simple "glance". Then digital media appeared. It was WAY cheaper, faster and more accessible. Anyone, really, anyone could afford to record and release anything. This made real record labels go bankrupt. Musical talent was no longer a requirement for an artist. They took the "Milli Vanilli" experience and put it on steroids. Its all about looks now. Artists don't need to sing or play anything well. They must be fit and look good on pictures. The people can't tell the difference between music and noise anyway. They mistake singing well with screaming and babbling, playing well with noise that resemble rythm. Video killed the radio star indeed.

"" If you were to ask most people, they would all say that Music went to shit somewhere around when they turn 30. """" Most people only listen to Music in the car on the way to or from work after that. ""

Nailed it right there

Most music sucks, and has always sucked.

Metal. (death, speed, heavy) It's the last bastion for whites.

music fell off the cliff when they gave the negroes
the affirmative action limelight in the 1980s,
and now all we've got is hip-hop rap electronically monkeyed-with "music".

Is there a website that champions non-country, non-black, non-pop music?
I'm an old fuck and I have my FM (remember radio?) set to all the new rock stations that I can find as it is the best that I can find.
Music comes and it goes. I survived the Folk Music craze of the late 50's, early 60's. Thank God for the girl bands and the Beatles....late nights spent listening to WLS Chicago.

Never go above 80's on satellite radio and rarely above 70's. Calling anything later music is very slim pickins.

Dad (the gods rest his soul) said the exact same about 1962.

Guess to me, it was more like -92.




There's no truth to be found in art critique, but...yeah,
wtf happened to mainstream pop/rock..? :O

Still good music being produced out there, though, believe
it or not.

Why not go check out your own neighbourhood live joint
- you just might catch a glimpse of some real passion
and skill, even if not presented by some fancy Top 100
name ;)

...and have a good time :)

No matter what generation one was born in, there's always going to be many from previous generations claiming that the artistic expressions of one's generation sucks.

They say everything always changes, but I call shenanigans on the generational elitism when it comes to art and music - they'll always be around and will never change.

Music is the heartbeat of society

Make sure your kids are listening to the actual words of the songs and understand them..
Lots have been duped

Gawd this shits such a slow process..

Any of you plan to be fuckin alive when you're done?


.. Yes.. Music.. fell, off a fucking cliff, IN THE LATE 90'S!!!

if you would!


Jesus fuck...

I grew up listening not only to the local top 40 station in the 60's and 70's, but also to the music of my parents. Truth be told I loved it all. There was always something I've liked from every single genre of music. I never frequented concerts, I can count on two hands how many I've been to in my life.

As has been said in this thread as a generation passes through different phases in life their appreciation of music changes as well. There is sufficient music in the world that you can pick the best 100,000 songs and cycle through them when ever you want and never get tired of anything.

So from my view point I don't have any interest in any aspect of a performer that is more concerned with stage presence than the actually quality of their music. It seems for many musicians nowadays a visual impact is part of it and so the creativity of the actual music has suffered. In my humble opinion. Don't get me wrong there is still a great deal of excellent music being created as always, it is just the overall persona of the people involved.

Glitz, glamour and fame are not for me.

I think earlier.

As soon as American idle came on, that did it.

what? you don't think DISCO was the high point of American pop culture?

Spot-on and Bull's Eye.

So go support the local live scene. :)