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CPS kidnaps newborn from hospital after parents decline birth certificate and social security number

 
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Attempting to steal my child would ensure the ER was full of bullet riddled bodies.
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I wish more people,understood that the United a states is a legal corporation and the citizens with Social Security numbers are assets of that corporation owned by the Luciferian banking families.

It really is hard to believe before you learn about it. Don't worry, all those people who are part of it will suffer in the afterlife.
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Agreed, but not much comfort to this couple & specifically this Mom who should be nursing & bonding with her baby. This is a very critical period for bonding & CPS have screwed with this important time. I wonder why? I'm sure we who are well read can guess the reasons.
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So the parents are going to fuck up the kids life because of there beliefs. Als they has to do is take it and just not use it.
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Sure blame the victim
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The victim is the child. What was the point of the parents actions? The long term point. Kids gonna be an invisible assassin or something? Not wanting your child to be able to prove who they are or that they that belong here is not in the best interest of the child. The parents were being selfish.

Theirs was a spiritual journey of getting back to nature and rejecting the materialism that they felt held them in bondage. Christian and Danielle Holm began their journey together in early 2016 as itinerant missionaries, traveling across the country and speaking to churches as they sought to live simply and biblically.

The last thing that they expected was for Child Protective Services to seize their 1 day old baby literally off of his mother’s breast in an Alabama hospital. What started out as an apparent case of mistaken identity has turned into a nightmare that the family cannot wake up from. They don’t understand why their baby was taken from them, or why he still remains in state custody in foster care while social workers continue to challenge their religious beliefs.
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Oh I see. They don't want to be part of the "system". They want to live natural and just like in the bible. But when it comes to giving birth, they want to protect their child using the very luxuries that our "system" has created.

You think low child mortality rates just happened by accident in this country?

I get the vaccine part (to a degree). But don't tell me you don't respect the system and you want no part of it.....except when it's convenient to you.

There are countries that do not have birth certificates. Or social security numbers. They do live like they have been living since bible times. Why didn't they go to those countries with the apparent wealth the parents had? I can tell you why.
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Your ignorance is beyond belief. You have been completely brainwashed. You are the nurse that brought down CPS. You would turn you mother over to the government. Brain dead idiot.
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They are delusional and perhaps even dangerous to them selves and others, since without SSI you can't get your federally mandated healthcare. And kids do get sick.

You don't want an SSI? Well you can do this if you are Amish and exist in your own community,from what I understand.

However, when you live in and among other tax payers, who send their kids to federally funded schools, and serve in the military, and are even sometimes imprisoned for crimes, than yes you are a citizen commodity to this democratic system of government. Your child deserve all the benefits that comes with such status.

You want to live in a bubble, go orthodox Amish. Other than that tough, because too things in life are certain and that is death and taxes.
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The government is demonic

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Fuck the gag order. This was done to me once and I made sure to use my freedom of speech.
Noone has a right to stop you from talking.
No law says you have to issue a child as or anything else. let the child be free from the government corrupted system.
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I was the birth registrar for a county in Wisconsin for many years, retiring 15 years ago. Things may have changed since then, BUT...

#1 Stupid parents should have done a home birth and kept their mouths shut if they didn't want a birth certif.

#2 The hospital WILL file a birth certificate, whether they wanted one or not, whether they signed one or not. I've done it countless times. They have all your records. SOP

#3. It was illegal for the hosp. to go against their wishes and signed refusal of any meds for their infant. The parents have a great case here against the state/county.

If you're going to buck the "system" (which I sympathize with), then know what the facts are, what you can and can't do, what the law says and doesn't say and what you're rights are.

Each state is different but used to be you didn't HAVE to obtain SS # with birth certificate filing. They just tell you you do.

Unless you want to live out your life away from civilization in a cabin in the woods, expect CPS to do what they are told to do when you seek medical/hospital help with the "paper trail" of your medical records.

If you want mainstream medicine's help, you have to play by their rules.
 Quoting: Farm Wife


Did u read the entire story? Bc from ur post, it doesn't seem like it.
 Quoting: Really!?!? Deplorable!!


Okay, drama queen, chill out right now. The efficacy of your input has reached the end of the line.

A BIRTH REGISTRAR decides to provide fatual input based on legitimate and extensive professional experience, and you shoot her down because she proposed at-home birthing as a viable last resort in an obviously facetious way. Thanks for running off input worth reading

I think you really need to respect others people's input by listening with your ears, not your mouth.

The system permeates hospitals, because the potential damages for malpractice with a garage obstetrician would make insuring such an outfit prohibitively expensive. "Any good mother would sacrifice ideals for the well-being and safe delivery of their child"
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Attempting to steal my child would ensure the ER was full of bullet riddled bodies.
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These two tards don't have a pot to piss in, let alone a fucking gun...

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The government is demonic

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Serves them right those dumbass christians....
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I managed to get 2 kids (mine, duh) out of California hospitals without ssn but it was tricky.
BUMBLEBEE TUNA!
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I managed to get 2 kids (mine, duh) out of California hospitals without ssn but it was tricky.
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Tricky?

You just tossed them on your burro, and skedaddled...
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Attempting to steal my child would ensure the ER was full of bullet riddled bodies.
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These two tards don't have a pot to piss in, let alone a fucking gun...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34285890


Congratulations on winning the Moron of the Day award.

Why don't YOU try to steal my child?

I carry at all times.
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I was the birth registrar for a county in Wisconsin for many years, retiring 15 years ago. Things may have changed since then, BUT...

#1 Stupid parents should have done a home birth and kept their mouths shut if they didn't want a birth certif.

#2 The hospital WILL file a birth certificate, whether they wanted one or not, whether they signed one or not. I've done it countless times. They have all your records. SOP

#3. It was illegal for the hosp. to go against their wishes and signed refusal of any meds for their infant. The parents have a great case here against the state/county.

If you're going to buck the "system" (which I sympathize with), then know what the facts are, what you can and can't do, what the law says and doesn't say and what you're rights are.

Each state is different but used to be you didn't HAVE to obtain SS # with birth certificate filing. They just tell you you do.

Unless you want to live out your life away from civilization in a cabin in the woods, expect CPS to do what they are told to do when you seek medical/hospital help with the "paper trail" of your medical records.

If you want mainstream medicine's help, you have to play by their rules.
 Quoting: Farm Wife


Did u read the entire story? Bc from ur post, it doesn't seem like it.
 Quoting: Really!?!? Deplorable!!




Okay, drama queen, chill out right now. The efficacy of your input has reached the end of the line.

A BIRTH REGISTRAR decides to provide fatual input based on legitimate and extensive professional experience, and you shoot her down because she proposed at-home birthing as a viable last resort in an obviously facetious way. Thanks for running off input worth reading

I think you really need to respect others people's input by listening with your ears, not your mouth.

The system permeates hospitals, because the potential damages for malpractice with a garage obstetrician would make insuring such an outfit prohibitively expensive. "Any good mother would sacrifice ideals for the well-being and safe delivery of their child"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73742948


The reason for birth certificate and ss# has everything to do with ownership and nothing else. You are an asset, that's all. A frickin commodity. Any other smoke is bs.
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Attempting to steal my child would ensure the ER was full of bullet riddled bodies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73157108


These two tards don't have a pot to piss in, let alone a fucking gun...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34285890


Congratulations on winning the Moron of the Day award.

Why don't YOU try to steal my child?

I carry at all times.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73157108


You aren't one of the two tards in the OP...

iamwith

My god...The stupid...

It burns...
Deplorable NO MORE Michele B

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So the parents are going to fuck up the kids life because of there beliefs. Als they has to do is take it and just not use it.
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As soon as you sign the BC, the kid is no longer yours.
 Quoting: Deplorable NO MORE Michele B


Yes, but these parents did not sign a birth cert. & still the state took their child. These rules/laws are a complete sham. Dammed if you do & dammed if you don't. The State does whatever it wants, whenever it wants, no matter what rules/laws the people follow.
 Quoting: Samara


Point is: BECAUSE they refused to sign one, the state stepped in to TAKE THEIR KID AWAY.

You're not allowed to any freedoms, or go against "the system."
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The reason for birth certificate and ss# has everything to do with ownership and nothing else. You are an asset, that's all. A frickin commodity. Any other smoke is bs.
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It's pretty clear who's been smoking...

putin
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Attempting to steal my child would ensure the ER was full of bullet riddled bodies.
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That's why these chicken shits do this when YOU'RE not around to protect your family. When my son was born a dyke social worker wanted me to leave while she questioned my wife. I told her to get lost. She came around again when I was gone.

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Point is: BECAUSE they refused to sign one, the state stepped in to TAKE THEIR KID AWAY.

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The 'state' stepped in and took their kid away, because they are broke and homeless...

My god...The stupid...

It burns...
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I was the birth registrar for a county in Wisconsin for many years, retiring 15 years ago. Things may have changed since then, BUT...

#1 Stupid parents should have done a home birth and kept their mouths shut if they didn't want a birth certif.

#2 The hospital WILL file a birth certificate, whether they wanted one or not, whether they signed one or not. I've done it countless times. They have all your records. SOP

#3. It was illegal for the hosp. to go against their wishes and signed refusal of any meds for their infant. The parents have a great case here against the state/county.

If you're going to buck the "system" (which I sympathize with), then know what the facts are, what you can and can't do, what the law says and doesn't say and what you're rights are.

Each state is different but used to be you didn't HAVE to obtain SS # with birth certificate filing. They just tell you you do.

Unless you want to live out your life away from civilization in a cabin in the woods, expect CPS to do what they are told to do when you seek medical/hospital help with the "paper trail" of your medical records.

If you want mainstream medicine's help, you have to play by their rules.
 Quoting: Farm Wife


Did u read the entire story? Bc from ur post, it doesn't seem like it.
 Quoting: Really!?!? Deplorable!!




Okay, drama queen, chill out right now. The efficacy of your input has reached the end of the line.

A BIRTH REGISTRAR decides to provide fatual input based on legitimate and extensive professional experience, and you shoot her down because she proposed at-home birthing as a viable last resort in an obviously facetious way. Thanks for running off input worth reading

I think you really need to respect others people's input by listening with your ears, not your mouth.

The system permeates hospitals, because the potential damages for malpractice with a garage obstetrician would make insuring such an outfit prohibitively expensive. "Any good mother would sacrifice ideals for the well-being and safe delivery of their child"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73742948


The reason for birth certificate and ss# has everything to do with ownership and nothing else. You are an asset, that's all. A frickin commodity. Any other smoke is bs.
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thisfinger


T R U T H
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Attempting to steal my child would ensure the ER was full of bullet riddled bodies.
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That's why these chicken shits do this when YOU'RE not around to protect your family. When my son was born a dyke social worker wanted me to leave while she questioned my wife. I told her to get lost. She came around again when I was gone.
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Why are 'social workers' coming around at all?

FFS
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The reason for birth certificate and ss# has everything to do with ownership and nothing else. You are an asset, that's all. A frickin commodity. Any other smoke is bs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73743076


It's pretty clear who's been smoking...

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Hey dick head, who keeps your certificate certificate?
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They are delusional and perhaps even dangerous to them selves and others, since without SSI you can't get your federally mandated healthcare. And kids do get sick.

You don't want an SSI? Well you can do this if you are Amish and exist in your own community,from what I understand.

However, when you live in and among other tax payers, who send their kids to federally funded schools, and serve in the military, and are even sometimes imprisoned for crimes, than yes you are a citizen commodity to this democratic system of government. Your child deserve all the benefits that comes with such status.

You want to live in a bubble, go orthodox Amish. Other than that tough, because too things in life are certain and that is death and taxes.
 Quoting: So I Am 69947748



One should not need to join a religious group to be free, which according to the founding fathers is the natural state of man. Furthermore, when to get a SS number is a matter of choice. There is no law mandating it at birth. As for children demanding the benefits of the State..forget it. Many are not benefits but disadvantages. Home schooling and healthy diet and lifestyle without most vaccinations will produce healthy children. After all, what did the pioneers do? Keep kids away from others and breastfeed for the first 2 years, and they will be superior. My kids had few vaccines and were fine. And if a kid gets sick, parents can pay privately at a clinic. Why rely on the government? That makes you a slave.

I knew someone who did not go to school until he was 8 yet ended up with an advanced science degree. Certainly, he had few vaccinations as he lived in a foreign country and was poor.

Every time a birth is registered the Federal Reserve is entitled to print more dollars. But I doubt that is the cause of this problem. CPS has a history of abuse and is rewarded for taking children. There is no justification for traumatizing an infant who has heard his mothers voice through fetal development and who needs to breastfeed. Disgusting abuse of power and lack of concern for the infant.

One should never trade freedom for material advantage. Never. Without freedom you have nothing.
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Point is: BECAUSE they refused to sign one, the state stepped in to TAKE THEIR KID AWAY.

 Quoting: Deplorable NO MORE Michele B


The 'state' stepped in and took their kid away, because they are broke and homeless...

My god...The stupid...

It burns...
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The stupid is on YOU.


GROW THE FUCK UP.


LISTEN, LEARN.



FIND OUT WHO YOUR "GOVERNMENT" REALLY IS.


Don't go throwing cold water on anything you don't know shit about.....
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Good for CPS. Parents like this don't deserve children.
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Attempting to steal my child would ensure the ER was full of bullet riddled bodies.
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These two tards don't have a pot to piss in, let alone a fucking gun...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34285890


Congratulations on winning the Moron of the Day award.

Why don't YOU try to steal my child?

I carry at all times.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73157108


You aren't one of the two tards in the OP...

iamwith

My god...The stupid...

It burns...
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You're obviously not that intelligent.

Enjoy your fun on a board that allows you to speak freely even with a double digit IQ.

You're safe behind your keyboard.
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Hey dick head, who keeps your certificate certificate?
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I'm sure that makes perfect sense to you...

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You're obviously not that intelligent.

Enjoy your fun on a board that allows you to speak freely even with a double digit IQ.

You're safe behind your keyboard.
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lmao
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I am certain the hospital had their bad vibes about this couple. The couple from what I understand were extremely religious. That sometimes is s red flag for mental illness. Who knows what other family members said.
They were also traveling missionaries. Did this couple even have a stable home to bring the baby home too? Or were they basicly homeless? Or perhaps on public assistance themselves to fund their lifestyle. Could they even afford the cost of delivering the baby and care. Did they act like nuts in the hospital, which bring me back to the hospital having bad vibes.

Anyhow the hospital had the right to get paid for their services too you know. If this couple was relying on Obama Care, well then the hospital has a right to bill for services, which meant this child needed an SSI and Birth certificate. Otherwise how Christian of these folks to steal from those who labored and delivered care for the mother and child.

We live in today's world, not yesterdays low tech self sustaining systems. We have greater knowledge too on a variety of social issues. Today we are much less independent due to technology and what we know about human nature. What we know and how we use it with technology is a double edge sword. It both improves our live and yet , makes us more accountable to each other in the terms of services and provision, and the lifestyle in which we like to live as a society. It is a Bi***, but it is what it is.

Don't like join an Orthodox Amish sec and drop out of society.
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You're obviously not that intelligent.

Enjoy your fun on a board that allows you to speak freely even with a double digit IQ.

You're safe behind your keyboard.
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lmao
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Precisely!
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Hey dick head, who keeps your certificate certificate?
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I'm sure that makes perfect sense to you...

chuckle
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Birth certificate is kept in the Vatican......tell me why dick head
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Google "what does a birth certificate represent". Careful though. The rabbit hole is deep and you will not like the end answer. Your BC has a warehouse number on it. When you were born there was US bonds issued to that number. Investors buy those bonds and expect a return on their investment based on your lifetime of payment in taxes. We are livestock. Nothing more. Now look up "sovereign citizen". These folks are trying to fight the system and are doing it wrong. You can't fight back with violence. That's what TPTB want. This couple tried the right way to fight back.
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But its a scam. Not true at all and a way to make money off the patriotic. Show me even one person who has successfully navigated to collecting their bond worth.





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