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Sunpar  User ID: 381827  United States03/04/2008 12:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And after all the techniques, you even have to let them go, to become meditating, being, isness. Quoting: DarzaDarza, Quoting: SunparNice. From Cyberspace, the Astral Plane of Imagination merged to Reality, Sunpar ^V^ Hi Sunpar, the isness i mentioned specially for you, knew you know. Lol Quoting: DarzaDarza, Thank you. I love Darza. Sunpar ^V^ Love is an exercise in duality to bring you to the understanding of unity. (c) Sunpar 11-22-2011 |
| Darza User ID: 378572  Netherlands03/04/2008 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are no limits to your understanding, Quoting: SkytoucherHi Skytoucher, Thought about this during "the potato peeling" exercise. lol All who are posting on this thread, i see them growing in understanding, same as with me, seems to happen automatically, a function of the energy. Observing my understanding, it is constantly transforming, looks like a living entity. The mind, we have to leave it behind upon death, but this body of understanding, i am sure the soul assimilates it and takes it to the next life were it will again grow. The total body of understanding, it will even go into the next universe. So, i agree with you, i see no limits to understanding, the limits we perceive are an illusion. My mind totally likes this mind-gymnastics, working at its current peak. Observing and absorbing new thoughts. Namaskar |
| Greenley Paige User ID: 315939 United States03/04/2008 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dear Lotus, Quoting: astrolabe 385387Got it, I understand. Divine Love without Divine Law rings hollow. Neal Donald Walsh's statement that "God can only say yes" is nothing but "feel good" New Age spiritual pablum for those filled with fear. On a more mundane, everyday level ~ if you can only say "yes"... then your "no" has no meaning. Again (and again), you are right, Lotus Feet. Love you mightily, Wasayo Where does fear come from, astrolabe? How can one alleviate fear? Is there any hope and help for those who fear? Is there one answer only; one way, only? If so, why are so many people still so fearful? Is it a process that has deep underlying misconceptions and misinformation? How does one get to the root of their fears, especially if they don't even KNOW that what they experience is fear? Their mommys and daddys instilled fear into them, as did their ministers and teachers and peers, each repeating what was taught to them. Life has instilled fear into them, and these fears keep multiplying. WHO is going to teach them? The religions aren't alleviating their fears. Their parents aren't alleviating their fears. The authorities aren't alleviating their fears. It's the same old story, everywhere they go. Maybe this is New Age crap, but maybe it's time for a new message. Or at least a new way teach the TRUTH? This reminds me of the joke that had a man sitting on his rooftop while flood waters kept rising. He kept praying to God for help but there didn't seem to be any divine intervention. Then God said, "I sent the man in a boat and you refused to get in, saying you were waiting for God to save you. Then I sent a helicopter and you refused to get in, saying you were waiting for God to save you. When are you going to accept the help I sent?" |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 385481 United States03/04/2008 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . Quoting: astrolabe 385387...and God said, '...yes...' .c  . According to Neil Donald Walsh, this is the ONLY word God knows. .c If that was true why so many books from God that Neale has given to the world? Have you ever been forbidden to so something by God and the divine? When you have you will know truth. Lotus Dear Lotus, Got it, I understand. Divine Love without Divine Law rings hollow. Neal Donald Walsh's statement that "God can only say yes" is nothing but "feel good" New Age spiritual pablum for those filled with fear. On a more mundane, everyday level ~ if you can only say "yes"... then your "no" has no meaning. Again (and again), you are right, Lotus Feet. Love you mightily, Wasayo . you both missed my point, but it doesn't matter, perhaps neither one of you watched the video provided. In that simple statement, NDW is sumarising definition of entire Conversation With God series. It helped me taking responsibility for my thoughts and actions. Green light everywhere. We choose the turns. .c |
| Lotus Feet User ID: 299977  United Kingdom03/04/2008 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then I sent a helicopter and you refused to get in, saying you were waiting for God to save you. When are you going to accept the help I sent?" Quoting: Greenley PaigeYou may well ask Greenley Paige the help is here are you listening? There two types of reaction/response. One comes from indoctrinated fear and fear due to experience in past lives. So souls come into the world fearful and the birth process doesn't help either. Secondly the soul as a radar/defense system that gives out an alarm if the soul/human is ever in danger. This works in partnership with the law of preservation. The secret is know the difference between the two. Anyone that has nearly lost there life, or as listened to their intuition in relationships will fully understand and appreciate the radar defense system. Wasayo and I are very in tune with the radar and have years of experience of understanding how it all works on a cosmic level. It is coming to a time when people are going to have decide who they trust with their lives if they are not in tune with their own radar. This is the 11th hour. Lotus i love satan |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77394 United States03/04/2008 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then I sent a helicopter and you refused to get in, saying you were waiting for God to save you. When are you going to accept the help I sent?" You may well ask Greenley Paige the help is here are you It is coming to a time when people are going to have decide who they trust with their lives if they are not in tune with their own radar. Quoting: Lotus FeetThis is the 11th hour. Lotus . If I would have to chose to whom to trust with my life, I would rather chose Roger Rabbit.  .c |
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| Lotus Feet User ID: 299977 United Kingdom03/04/2008 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dear Lotus, Quoting: astrolabe 385387Got it, I understand. Divine Love without Divine Law rings hollow. Neal Donald Walsh's statement that "God can only say yes" is nothing but "feel good" New Age spiritual pablum for those filled with fear. On a more mundane, everyday level ~ if you can only say "yes"... then your "no" has no meaning. Again (and again), you are right, Lotus Feet. Love you mightily, Wasayo Yes more of the hollow "Secret" law of attraction without the law of karma understood. There are some great authors around but very few have have been serious self development faciitators and healers that have worked in all dimensions. You have hit the nail on the head Wasayo.... And in scripture Jesus said 'Let your yes be yes and your no be no. Where would babies be without a parent saying no? However, it does help if babies/children understand why one is saying NO. Lovely play on words 'No and KNOW' Over the years when people have asked us to assist them with their decision making we have have always responded that if there is doubt in your being about the decision then the doubt is saying no. Lights are flickering all over the place here LOL LOL LOL So if a person does not KNOW 100% without any doubt at all in their hearts they shouldn't do it. There is a great Yorkshire saying "When in doubt do nought". So then we come back to people knowing the difference between doubt that comes from fear/root causes of core issues that create perceptions and doubt that comes from the radar of the soul. There is a huge difference and the reason why self purification is essential. Loving with honour..... Lotus i love satan |
| Darza User ID: 378572 Netherlands03/04/2008 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Greenley Paige, I saw the video you mentioned earlier, i remember: "we all have already everything we will ever have". About the no, everybody is always right, so are you, is this not the "yes" you mentioned? One thinks one way and always gets confirmation. The "yes" to me leaves no room for disagreement. Disagreeing is already a no. This does not mean we have to agree. Acceptance is beyond both. For instance when i take a new action, sometimes dis-harmony occurs, then i change immediately, life is advising me not to go this path, like a no. So sometimes life tells me no. I also accept the point of Neal, i read one of his books several times. It is all about context. The story you mentioned, i knew it already, used it as a tool many times. To determine what i had to do myself and what to leave to life. Peace |
| Greenley Paige User ID: 315939 United States03/04/2008 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then I sent a helicopter and you refused to get in, saying you were waiting for God to save you. When are you going to accept the help I sent?" Quoting: Lotus FeetYou may well ask Greenley Paige the help is here are you listening? There two types of reaction/response. One comes from indoctrinated fear and fear due to experience in past lives. So souls come into the world fearful and the birth process doesn't help either. Secondly the soul as a radar/defense system that gives out an alarm if the soul/human is ever in danger. This works in partnership with the law of preservation. The secret is know the difference between the two. So, how does one know the difference between the two if one doesn't explore and discern one's own inner dialogue? The Law of Preservation coincides with the things we've been taught AND feel by radar! And who is going to judge the difference? An outsider, or you, yourself? Personally, I get radar signals that certainly have helped me to preserve and survive, and animals have this sense also. They have an instinct, per se`. I, myself, attribute this radar to GOD! I think God communicates to people in different ways, according to how they will best assimilate the message. That was my point, but you seem to think that I'm not listening, Lotus. How judgmental is that? Anyone that has nearly lost there life, or as listened to their intuition in relationships will fully understand and appreciate the radar defense system. Quoting: Lotus FeetWasayo and I are very in tune with the radar and have years of experience of understanding how it all works on a cosmic level. It is coming to a time when people are going to have decide who they trust with their lives if they are not in tune with their own radar. This is the 11th hour. Lotus And you are determining who is in touch and who is not? If a person genuinely seeks God from the heart and soul, who then is to judge whether or not that person is receiving the genuine? |
| Darza User ID: 378572 Netherlands03/04/2008 02:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If I would have to chose to whom to trust with my life, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77394I would rather chose Roger Rabbit. Hi Caruso, the trust? i chose life, never regretted it, my trust is still growing. What life is saying to me i measure in the heart, the feeling center. Are you sure about Roger? Lol Love to Xana. Lol |
| Lotus Feet User ID: 299977 United Kingdom03/04/2008 02:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And you are determining who is in touch and who is not? If a person genuinely seeks God from the heart and soul, who then is to judge whether or not that person is receiving the genuine? We judge nobody Greenley Paige only God does that. No, try reading it again. We were not determining who is in touch and who isn't we are simply expressing the difference between the two. It is one thing to respond from the heart and another to react from the gut. Some like to kick balls and some like to pick them up. Lotus i love satan |
| Greenley Paige User ID: 315939 United States03/04/2008 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Greenley Paige, Quoting: DarzaI saw the video you mentioned earlier, i remember: "we all have already everything we will ever have". About the no, everybody is always right, so are you, is this not the "yes" you mentioned? One thinks one way and always gets confirmation. The "yes" to me leaves no room for disagreement. Disagreeing is already a no. This does not mean we have to agree. Acceptance is beyond both. For instance when i take a new action, sometimes dis-harmony occurs, then i change immediately, life is advising me not to go this path, like a no. So sometimes life tells me no. I also accept the point of Neal, i read one of his books several times. It is all about context. The story you mentioned, i knew it already, used it as a tool many times. To determine what i had to do myself and what to leave to life. Peace Well, it really is about the Law of cause and effect. What you put out you get back. The LAW is non-discriminatory. This is what is being said, imho. The point is that people are not aware what they are putting out, such as the idea that, "I want more money", they automatically, because of the LAW, get back the "wanting", and not necessarily that (object) which they want. Perhaps the way it is presented, that God always says 'Yes', should be the LAW always works. Once you let go of the "wants' and 'desires', it doesn't mean you will become wealthy 'money-wise', but you instantly become wealthy because you do not 'lack' anymore. Isn't that what wealth is, ultimately? |
| Lotus Feet User ID: 299977 United Kingdom03/04/2008 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If I would have to chose to whom to trust with my life, Quoting: DarzaI would rather chose Roger Rabbit. Hi Caruso, the trust? i chose life, never regretted it, my trust is still growing. What life is saying to me i measure in the heart, the feeling center. Are you sure about Roger? Lol Love to Xana. Lol Yes, the heart of intelligence.. Lotus i love satan |
| Greenley Paige User ID: 315939 United States03/04/2008 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And you are determining who is in touch and who is not? If a person genuinely seeks God from the heart and soul, who then is to judge whether or not that person is receiving the genuine? We judge nobody Greenley Paige only God does that. No, try reading it again. We were not determining who is in touch and who isn't we are simply expressing the difference between the two. It is one thing to respond from the heart and another to react from the gut. Some like to kick balls and some like to pick them up. Lotus Dear darling Lotus, I love that you can speak in tongues, so to speak. LOL Unfortunately, mixed metaphors do not make sense to me. Kicking balls or picking them up does not correspond with responding from the heart or reacting from the gut, to me. Two different analogies. This statement you made to me: "You may well ask Greenley Paige the help is here are you listening?" directly asks me if I am listening. Are you wondering whether I am listening to you, or to God? I've already stated that I listen/have my radar up for GOD! I can't say it any differently. Whether you believe me is not important. Ii am here participating at my level of understanding, and with extreme love in my heart. If I knew it all, I'd imagine I'd be elsewhere. It's obvious that I am here, though, and yes, I am listening. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 77394 United States03/04/2008 03:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And you are determining who is in touch and who is not? If a person genuinely seeks God from the heart and soul, who then is to judge whether or not that person is receiving the genuine? Quoting: Greenley PaigeWe judge nobody Greenley Paige only God does that. No, try reading it again. We were not determining who is in touch and who isn't we are simply expressing the difference between the two. It is one thing to respond from the heart and another to react from the gut. Some like to kick balls and some like to pick them up. Lotus Dear darling Lotus, I love that you can speak in tongues, so to speak. LOL Unfortunately, mixed metaphors do not make sense to me. Kicking balls or picking them up does not correspond with responding from the heart or reacting from the gut, to me. Two different analogies. This statement you made to me: "You may well ask Greenley Paige the help is here are you listening?" directly asks me if I am listening. Are you wondering whether I am listening to you, or to God? I've already stated that I listen/have my radar up for GOD! I can't say it any differently. Whether you believe me is not important. Ii am here participating at my level of understanding, and with extreme love in my heart. If I knew it all, I'd imagine I'd be elsewhere. It's obvious that I am here, though, and yes, I am listening. . Greetings to ALL including those who are not usually addressed in my posts, possibly resulting in a reputation for being passive, lol. The following are some recent thoughts. As a child, I quickly learned to 'wipe that look off your face or I'll wipe it off!'... resulting in as pleasant a 'face' as I could muster in spite of the rebellion going on within. Sometimes I took the whippings willingly, considering punishment to be worth it. 'show no pain' 'to show pain is weakness' etc. Also being scorpio sun sign, the 'answer' came to me probably before even first grade-- 'get even' ... Ah goodness, what a lifetime of learning it has been. As an elder (only a few months behind wasayo...) I can say many of these early learnings have and are being examined/absorbed into the 'whole' that is this Experience. Another 'teaching' of my mother... and this was her favorite: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. This is a teaching that has not been altered in any way; I still hold this one in my heart. Learning to discern which remarks and opinions offered by others, both in person and here on this thread, are truly helpful and which are pure spite has been interesting. What a shock some of the realizations have been. I have had many shocks in recent months, and I bless each of them as being Gifted to me. At this time, we all are learning to discern... except those here who already have God's ear and words, of course... and I say this with love, because I cannot say they do not. I have not been writing here online very much... and when reading many of the posts, a comment will often come to my mind, followed by, 'no, I just don't want to face the ridicule, the 'slam-dunk' provided by willing debunkers. IMO, this is what wasayo was referencing in her comments a couple pages back... about being 'chameleon' and not expressing one's personal opinions. IN MY OPINION, there are already enough people with an agenda, writing comments, tho most of these are on the main forum board. Here in this thread we can bring our agendas for discussion... but again, IN MY OPINION, the thought of the writer just before pushing the 'send' button... Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.Another thought I've had lately about 'psychic talents': Remember there is 75 to 80 percent ACCURACY... NOT 100 percent. Many of the psychics on glp have forgotten this small 20-25 percentage... applying their psychic innovations liberally with no hesitation. MY OPINION. If the shoe fits, wear it. So wasayo, is this plain enough for ya? I love you very much, and also you, Allie… nothing has changed for me in that area. Today I am more aware of my own fallacies and LOTS more accepting of others just being who they are…. At the moment. --We are all ‘at the moment’ and that changes by the nano-second, hopefully toward integration. Some days are ‘easier’ tho again, that is not necessarily the criteria. When things are not ‘easy’ for me, my action is to look within, not without. As Allie says, I am a work in progress. xana |
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| astrolabe User ID: 385519 United States03/04/2008 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ""No one need ask, “What shall I gain by meditation? In what ways shall I benefit?” If one only knew, it is by means of meditation that all is gained, not only things are gained, not only attributes and qualities are gained, but even God is so gained." -Hazrat Inayat Khan" [Quoting signature line for Skytoucher] OMG, Skytoucher ~ I just noticed that your signature line is that blissful, exquisite soul Hazrat Inayat Khan! I wildly love his Sufi self, lol! Interesting, your name "Skytoucher". My spritual name (Wasayo in Hopi and Shawnee) is similar in English... "Skyrider". No coincidence... this and Hazrat Inayat Khan. xoxoxoxo to you, Wasayo/Skyrider |
| Divinity (OP) User ID: 367835  Spain03/04/2008 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Greenley Paige, Quoting: Darza, then Greenley PaigeI saw the video you mentioned earlier, i remember: "we all have already everything we will ever have". About the no, everybody is always right, so are you, is this not the "yes" you mentioned? One thinks one way and always gets confirmation. The "yes" to me leaves no room for disagreement. Disagreeing is already a no. This does not mean we have to agree. Acceptance is beyond both. For instance when i take a new action, sometimes dis-harmony occurs, then i change immediately, life is advising me not to go this path, like a no. So sometimes life tells me no. I also accept the point of Neal, i read one of his books several times. It is all about context. The story you mentioned, i knew it already, used it as a tool many times. To determine what i had to do myself and what to leave to life. Peace Well, it really is about the Law of cause and effect. What you put out you get back. The LAW is non-discriminatory. This is what is being said, imho. The point is that people are not aware what they are putting out, such as the idea that, "I want more money", they automatically, because of the LAW, get back the "wanting", and not necessarily that (object) which they want. Perhaps the way it is presented, that God always says 'Yes', should be the LAW always works. Once you let go of the "wants' and 'desires', it doesn't mean you will become wealthy 'money-wise', but you instantly become wealthy because you do not 'lack' anymore. Isn't that what wealth is, ultimately? Exactly, the Law is consistent. How Neale's series of CWG books helped me was to learn a whole new way of talking/praying to God (reinforced by Gregg Braden's 'Isiah Effect', too). If you ask God for 'more' anything, in the form of 'I want', the Universe will reflect that right back at you (your wanting). 'I choose' is an altogether much better request/affirmation because as Neale points out, all that ever was, is and will be has already happened/is happening in the NOW moment. We have to 'pluck' out from that universal sea of possibility the experience we wish to have. How do we do that? That's the point of his books. 'I AM' creates more of what you already are. So, saying 'I want to be happy' merely leaves you in a state of 'wanting'. 'I choose to be happy' or 'I AM happy' is the way you generate more happiness. One reason the 'rich get richer' is because they don't question it, worry about it or have fear of being financially poor. Needs/wants/lacks are all negative; the Universe responds to whatever you put out. When Neale says God only ever says 'yes'; in essence, that is true. But are you asking properly, i.e. 'yes, you can have more misery, illness, poverty, bad luck, etc.....'. It's up to people whether they believe this or not. It's not New Age nonsense because in many ways, back in 1997, that first book turned my life around (and I was sceptical on all spiritual matters at that time). The proof is in the pudding.....(and we're still works in progress). Love Div xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "Aether is a Quantum 2 Spin Rotating Magnetic Field that encapsulates Primary Angular Momentum and via Tensegrity forms Matter with resulting Quantum 1/2 spin. "PHI is the direct result and first Ratio produced by this arrangement as it Cycles." Junglelord, www.thunderbolts.info Here comes the Golden Age. "Thought being a given is the first assertion of self-awareness; the remaining truth is simply "I am, therefore there is". Self and other, subject and object." Eyeam "Remember me as I AM." My Brother |
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| Divinity (OP) User ID: 367835 Spain03/04/2008 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Swerdlow - and again I do this so I know it works for me - suggests all such suffering be released UP to the Higher Self for cleansing and not OUT to the Universe for bouncing back! This is vital. I place - on a violet shelf - all feelings in the form of symbols or words which I desire the Higher Self to deal with (release, transmute, cleanse, eradicate) an push it UP with that intent. Then return the shelf to 'brown' to ground in the Now Moment. Hope this helps, Div xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "Aether is a Quantum 2 Spin Rotating Magnetic Field that encapsulates Primary Angular Momentum and via Tensegrity forms Matter with resulting Quantum 1/2 spin. "PHI is the direct result and first Ratio produced by this arrangement as it Cycles." Junglelord, www.thunderbolts.info Here comes the Golden Age. "Thought being a given is the first assertion of self-awareness; the remaining truth is simply "I am, therefore there is". Self and other, subject and object." Eyeam "Remember me as I AM." My Brother |
| astrolabe User ID: 385519 United States03/04/2008 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "I have not been writing here online very much... and when reading many of the posts, a comment will often come to my mind, followed by, 'no, I just don't want to face the ridicule, the 'slam-dunk' provided by willing debunkers. IMO, this is what wasayo was referencing in her comments a couple pages back... about being 'chameleon' and not expressing one's personal opinions." [Quoting astrolabe/Wasayo] Dear xana, When I wrote those words, I was thinking of both of us... you and me. xana, you and I are both "1942 babies" (like Emperor Kenton). We are 65, you the younger of the two of us. xana, you choose silence, which is fine. I choose to speak out, which is fine. As Darza so rightly sez, "We is what we is." I don't "get" your hostility to me... "Is this plain enough for you, Wasayo?" You are labeling me for your own inner child rage. *xana, it is not mine and I will not wear it.* Love to you and caruso... with the LONGEST spoon God ever made. Wasayo |
| Divinity (OP) User ID: 367835 Spain03/04/2008 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another 'teaching' of my mother... and this was her favorite: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Quoting: Xana 77394This is a teaching that has not been altered in any way; I still hold this one in my heart. xana Exactly...and on a metaphysical level, this really is relevant. What you put out, you get back. Sometimes, you get an added bonus which comes as the most beautiful, incredible, surprise because all those moments of beauty you HAVE put out seem to collect up and then a miracle happens. The above is such an ancient, simple and relatively easy concept to action, yet still (!) we don't do it. Ego. Bugger, isn't it? Smile, Love Div xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "Aether is a Quantum 2 Spin Rotating Magnetic Field that encapsulates Primary Angular Momentum and via Tensegrity forms Matter with resulting Quantum 1/2 spin. "PHI is the direct result and first Ratio produced by this arrangement as it Cycles." Junglelord, www.thunderbolts.info Here comes the Golden Age. "Thought being a given is the first assertion of self-awareness; the remaining truth is simply "I am, therefore there is". Self and other, subject and object." Eyeam "Remember me as I AM." My Brother |
| femto User ID: 145814 United States03/04/2008 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THE VACUUM STRIKES BACK. Modern physics has shown that the vacuum, previously thought of as a state of total nothingness, is really a seething background of virtual particles springing in and out of existence until they can seize enough energy to materialize as *real* particles. In high energy collisions at accelerator labs, some of the original beam energy can be consumed by ripping particle-antiparticle pairs out of the vacuum. Sometimes this process is the very reason for doing the experiment, but sometimes it is only a detriment. For example, in the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), under construction at the CERN lab in Geneva, a major source of beam losses (particles exiting Quoting: The American Institute of Physics Bulletin of Physics News Number 841 October 2, 2007 by Phillip F. Schewfrom the usable beam) for heavy-ion collisions is expected to be a class of event in which the counter-moving ions pass each other and don*t interact except to spawn a pair of particles---an electron and positron---one of which (the positron) goes off to oblivion while the other (the electron) latches onto one of the ions. This ion, bearing an extra electric charge, will now behave slightly differently as it races through the chain of powerful magnets that normally steer the particles around the accelerator. Going a certain distance, the modified ion will leave its fellows and smash into the beam pipe carrying the beams, thus heating up the pipe and surrounding magnet coils. Fearing these future beam losses, accelerator physicists have sought to observe this effect at an existing machine, the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) at the Brookhaven Lab on Long Island. And they found what they were looking for, a tiny splash of energy amounting to about .0002 watts, or about what a firefly puts out. The RHIC beam for these tests consisted of copper ions each carrying 6.3 TeV of energy (about 100 GeV per nucleon). According to CERN scientist John Jowett ([email protected], 41-22-7676-643) this troublesome class of events, referred to as bound-free-pair production (or BFPP, the bound referring to the electron and the free to the positron), will be much more formidable at LHC than at RHIC. First of all, the pair production scales as the atomic number of the nucleus (or the charge of the nucleus, denoted by the letter Z) raised to the seventh power. The LHC heavy-ion collisions will use beams composed of lead ions. The more highly charged nucleus and the larger energies (574 TeV per lead nucleus) mean the BFPP process should be some 100,000 times more prominent than in the test at RHIC. This would amount to about 25 watts, the equivalent of a reading lamp. That doesn't sound like much but, when deposited in the ultra-cold (1.9 K) magnets of the LHC, it could bring them to the brink of "quenching" out of their superconducting state, interrupting the operation of the huge machine. [link to www.aetherometry.com] "Modern physics has shown that the vacuum, previously thought of as a state of total nothingness, is really a seething background of virtual particles springing in and out of existence until they can seize enough energy to materialize as *real* particles." "virtual particles" , strange term for the 21st century. Something out of nothing? How long before it is decided that when a particle slows down enough to be seen and felt by humanity , it is not "something out of nothing", it has been there all the time. Do we have to get over the fear that "it" is there all the time, "unseen" if it wants, before we admit to it`s reality? What is it that lives amoungst us? It has mass. It moves. It has intelligence? If space is not a vacuum (nothing), it is a atmosphere. If it is an atmosphere the universe is the same as any other living "thing". All active , all alive and all connected. It is one. One what? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 385481 United States03/04/2008 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry, just to add. The cleaning/clearing we are doing now with our emotions, i.e. past memories that are coming up which we have to deal with relating to self-doubt, self-punishment, abandonment and sabotage, etc...are very difficult to deal with BECAUSE as soon as we put these messages OUT, direct from our solar plexus (guts) into the Universe, we get a whole load of it back again!!! This is why many lightworkers are suffering. Quoting: DivinitySwerdlow - and again I do this so I know it works for me - suggests all such suffering be released UP to the Higher Self for cleansing and not OUT to the Universe for bouncing back! This is vital. I place - on a violet shelf - all feelings in the form of symbols or words which I desire the Higher Self to deal with (release, transmute, cleanse, eradicate) an push it UP with that intent. Then return the shelf to 'brown' to ground in the Now Moment. Hope this helps, Div xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I love you Divinity-- xana |
| Divinity (OP) User ID: 367835 Spain03/04/2008 03:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Talks advantages and disadvantages of NDW's hypothesis for anyone who has an open mind enough to wish to know both sides of 'the story'. --------------------------------- Speaking of 'work in progress', before I met femto (and not wishing to embarrass him in any way), I thought I had the whole 'creating your own reality' story pretty much straight. After starting the thread, I swiftly learned there was another way - the femto way of creating. All things are NOT possible for me to create; much depends on the natural flow of things, events waiting to happen and all parties being in agreement (free will). CWG could, therefore, be construed as slightly simplistic because other forces are at work when we desire to experience something. Femto also knows much more about the nature of time and time lapse, and how events are 'scientifically put together', as well as the steps one has to wait for in order to achieve what one wishes to create. Time, patience, speed, free will, fate, motive, nature...all these things have to be taken into account as well as the simple 'I AM'. Obviously, this depends on the complexity or simplicity of WHAT you wish to experience. Div xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "Aether is a Quantum 2 Spin Rotating Magnetic Field that encapsulates Primary Angular Momentum and via Tensegrity forms Matter with resulting Quantum 1/2 spin. "PHI is the direct result and first Ratio produced by this arrangement as it Cycles." Junglelord, www.thunderbolts.info Here comes the Golden Age. "Thought being a given is the first assertion of self-awareness; the remaining truth is simply "I am, therefore there is". Self and other, subject and object." Eyeam "Remember me as I AM." My Brother |
| Divinity (OP) User ID: 367835 Spain03/04/2008 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOOD Xana! Because the more you put out, the more you get back.....I love all of you because you are me (despite the quarrels, LOL!). So, come on....GROUP HUG, hahahahaha! Where's Ahim-sa? Kiss! Div xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  "Aether is a Quantum 2 Spin Rotating Magnetic Field that encapsulates Primary Angular Momentum and via Tensegrity forms Matter with resulting Quantum 1/2 spin. "PHI is the direct result and first Ratio produced by this arrangement as it Cycles." Junglelord, www.thunderbolts.info Here comes the Golden Age. "Thought being a given is the first assertion of self-awareness; the remaining truth is simply "I am, therefore there is". Self and other, subject and object." Eyeam "Remember me as I AM." My Brother |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 385481 United States03/04/2008 03:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't "get" your hostility to me... "Is this plain enough for you, Wasayo?" You are labeling me for your own inner child rage. *xana, it is not mine and I will not wear it.* Quoting: astrolabe 385519Love to you and caruso... with the LONGEST spoon God ever made. Wasayo Wasayo, that line was taken directly from two different emails you'd sent to me, where you asked me the same question.I did wonder at the time of receiving them, if your intent was 'sisterly concern' or 'hostility'. I chose the first one at that time, and based on your writings here online to everyone else, I STILL choose it. The 'long spoonerism' is getting trite, IN MY OPINION. We are One. Doesn't mean we have to spend a lot of time together, but then, that's not a 3d decision... if indeed we are nearby to one another, my final analysis as to the 'why-ness' of it is this: We are here for a reason and I do not question it. The value I have personally gained from exposure and relationship with you online and in person is beyond description... as I said earlier, it has been Gifted. Sending love back to you and magi-- truly. xana |
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| Divinity (OP) User ID: 367835 Spain03/04/2008 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "virtual particles" , strange term for the 21st century. Quoting: femto 145814Something out of nothing? How long before it is decided that when a particle slows down enough to be seen and felt by humanity , it is not "something out of nothing", it has been there all the time. Do we have to get over the fear that "it" is there all the time, "unseen" if it wants, before we admit to it`s reality? What is it that lives amoungst us? It has mass. It moves. It has intelligence? If space is not a vacuum (nothing), it is an atmosphere. If it is an atmosphere the universe is the same as any other living "thing". All active , all alive and all connected. It is one. One what? Haha, virtual particles, hmm? Well that's true isn't it? Re: CERN, it really is a load of utter bullshit the science community are sending out to us. We have copies of the LERM Documents which PROVE the top echelons are attempting to create apples (i.e. matter) from thin air using their bi-cameral minds!!! I am so glad you have us questioning all this, femto. Yep, and within that all one living body of space is all possibility and all that IS. When are they going to catch up? Hahahahaha. One what? Answers on a postcard.........................! Kiss! Div xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "Aether is a Quantum 2 Spin Rotating Magnetic Field that encapsulates Primary Angular Momentum and via Tensegrity forms Matter with resulting Quantum 1/2 spin. "PHI is the direct result and first Ratio produced by this arrangement as it Cycles." Junglelord, www.thunderbolts.info Here comes the Golden Age. "Thought being a given is the first assertion of self-awareness; the remaining truth is simply "I am, therefore there is". Self and other, subject and object." Eyeam "Remember me as I AM." My Brother |
