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Anonymous Coward User ID: 137620 United States 02/08/2007 08:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "the two were convicted by a jury on 11 out of 12 counts, including assault with a dangerous weapon, assault with serious bodily injury, discharge of a firearm during the commission of a crime of violence, willfully violating the illegal immigrant's constitutional rights, lying about the incident and failing to report the truth." why don't people understand that there was a jury of their peers...they lied about what they did...covered up what they did...tried to get a fellow border patrol agent to go along with their lie...etc...etc...etc. due process of law for crimeny sake. and a repuke getting on the bandwagon is even more puke. she's impeach over a border patrol but not over wars fought over lies? geez. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 137620 United States 02/08/2007 08:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "He produced a letter which he had sent on Jan 17 - the day Ramos and Compean began their sentences - to Harley Lappin, the director of the Federal Bureau of Prisons, asking that the two be separated from other prisoners "to ensure their safety." An assistant to Lappin replied that the two men had been classified under the "Central Inmate Monitoring System" in an effort to afford additional protection. Nevertheless, Ramos was circulated back into the general prison population after being initially segregated, Hunter claimed. Since almost 30 percent of federal prisoners are criminal illegal aliens, many of whom are drug dealers, the agents face "substantial danger," he said." |
Kay (OP) User ID: 171759 United States 02/08/2007 08:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "the two were convicted by a jury on 11 out of 12 counts, including assault with a dangerous weapon, assault with serious bodily injury, discharge of a firearm during the commission of a crime of violence, willfully violating the illegal immigrant's constitutional rights, lying about the incident and failing to report the truth." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 137620why don't people understand that there was a jury of their peers...they lied about what they did...covered up what they did...tried to get a fellow border patrol agent to go along with their lie...etc...etc...etc. due process of law for crimeny sake. and a repuke getting on the bandwagon is even more puke. she's impeach over a border patrol but not over wars fought over lies? geez. I don't think you know the details of this story. Just how is a jury supposed to properly judge a case that is full of lies? These guys did NOT lie about what they did. They did NOT lie about about any of it. Their supervisors were THERE AT THE SCENE. If that is so, why aren't the supervisors in trouble? Most of this was suppressed from evidence to the jury. The Supervisors did not file a report EITHER, and they received immunity if they CHANGED THEIR STORIES, which were originally that Campion and Ramos behaved properly. They were threatened to also get tossed under the bus if they did not go along with what the DHS wanted. "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ." (Colossians 2:8) |
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Kay (OP) User ID: 171759 United States 02/08/2007 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Prior to this, they were not under oath when giving the song and dance. They are not willing to go to jail over this. You can listen to what is going on here: [link to www.kfi640.com] "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ." (Colossians 2:8) |
Kay (OP) User ID: 171759 United States 02/08/2007 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good news if true Kay. It's not cool to shoot people just because. These men now understand this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 129327DHS actually admitted that the testimony that Campeon and Ramos said, "We wanted to shoot us some Mexicans" was completely fabricated. "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ." (Colossians 2:8) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 137620 United States 02/08/2007 09:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | she's impeach over a border patrol but not over wars fought over lies? geez. Quoting: KayI don't think you know the details of this story. Just how is a jury supposed to properly judge a case that is full of lies? These guys did NOT lie about what they did. They did NOT lie about about any of it. Their supervisors were THERE AT THE SCENE. If that is so, why aren't the supervisors in trouble? Most of this was suppressed from evidence to the jury. The Supervisors did not file a report EITHER, and they received immunity if they CHANGED THEIR STORIES, which were originally that Campion and Ramos behaved properly. They were threatened to also get tossed under the bus if they did not go along with what the DHS wanted. juries judge cases every day that are full of lies. according to the case reports, they did lie about what they did. the only thing they did not get found guilty of was "violating his American rights as he wasn't American". most evidence is supressed from juries and judges decide what will be allowed in court and what won't. then file charges against the supervisors also...immunity is always granted for witnesses at any court. the point is...they were found guilty of crimes...do the time. |
Kay (OP) User ID: 171759 United States 02/08/2007 09:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- INVASION USA Officials urged to resign for lie about border agents Congressman calls for ouster of DHS deputies after IG admits agency gave false information -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: February 7, 2007 3:55 p.m. Eastern © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas A Republican congressman is calling for the resignation of Department of Homeland Security officials who he says lied about the case of two Border Patrol agents imprisoned for their actions in the shooting of a drug smuggler. As WND reported, at a congressional hearing yesterday, Rep. John Culberson of Texas confronted DHS Inspector General Richard Skinner about his agency's claim it had documentary proof of the guilt of former agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. "Richard Skinner admitted yesterday under oath that his top deputies gave members of Congress false information painting Border Patrol agents as rogue cops who were not in fear for their lives and who were 'out to shoot Mexicans,'" Culberson said in a statement. Culberson said he believes false information was given to congressmen to "throw us off the scent and cover up what appears to be an unjust criminal prosecution of two U.S. law enforcement officers whose job was protecting our country's borders from criminals and terrorists." (Story continues below) The admission came during Skinner's testimony before the Homeland Security Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee. Culberson was asking questions about a meeting DHS officials had Sept. 26 with him and three other Republican congressman from Texas, Reps. Ted Poe, Michael McCaul and Kenny Marchant. WND previously reported that at that meeting Skinner's office asserted it had documentary evidence Ramos and Compean: 1) confessed to knowingly shooting at an unarmed suspect; 2) stated during the interrogation they did not believe the suspect was a threat to them at the time of the shooting; 3) stated that day they "wanted to shoot a Mexican"; 4) were belligerent to investigators; 5) destroyed evidence and lied to investigators. Ramos and Compean began prison sentences last month of 11 and 12 years respectively. Yesterday, under questioning by Culberson, Skinner admitted DHS did not in fact have investigative reports to back up its claims. "The person who told you that misinformed you," Skinner reportedly replied. This prompted a startled and angry response from Culberson, who charged Skinner's office with lying to the Texas congressmen and painting Ramos and Compean as dirty cops. In his statement today, Culberson accused the DHS of leaving U.S. borders "largely undefended" and deploying National Guard troops "whose 'standard operating procedure' is 'to retreat' when confronted with armed criminals." The "unjust" prosecution of Ramos and Compean, he said, "weakens border security by discouraging all U.S. law enforcement officers from drawing their weapons in self-defense or in the defense of our nation." "Our highest priority in the war on terror is to secure our borders," Culberson said. "These two agents need to be pardoned and we need to reassure our brave Border Patrol agents and law enforcement officers that we support them and want them to feel free to use their best judgment and whatever force they think is necessary to protect America." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Related stories: Government admits lying about jailed border agents Imprisoned border agent did report shooting [link to worldnetdaily.com] [link to worldnetdaily.com] "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ." (Colossians 2:8) |
Kay (OP) User ID: 171759 United States 02/08/2007 09:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | she's impeach over a border patrol but not over wars fought over lies? geez. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 137620I don't think you know the details of this story. Just how is a jury supposed to properly judge a case that is full of lies? These guys did NOT lie about what they did. They did NOT lie about about any of it. Their supervisors were THERE AT THE SCENE. If that is so, why aren't the supervisors in trouble? Most of this was suppressed from evidence to the jury. The Supervisors did not file a report EITHER, and they received immunity if they CHANGED THEIR STORIES, which were originally that Campion and Ramos behaved properly. They were threatened to also get tossed under the bus if they did not go along with what the DHS wanted. juries judge cases every day that are full of lies. according to the case reports, they did lie about what they did. the only thing they did not get found guilty of was "violating his American rights as he wasn't American". most evidence is supressed from juries and judges decide what will be allowed in court and what won't. then file charges against the supervisors also...immunity is always granted for witnesses at any court. the point is...they were found guilty of crimes...do the time. Again, this is new information that just came out yesterday. The jury was not given this information. It is admitted that the Department of Homeland Security agents made up information that they then gave to the jury. That makes this jury verdict invalid. They were not guilty of the crime. The case was fabricated. You know, I have a difficult time understanding why you would say it is OK for the Department of Homeland Security to fabricate affidavits, to fabricate evidence and it is OK. What is up with that? If they get away with it, no one is safe. "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ." (Colossians 2:8) |
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Kay (OP) User ID: 171759 United States 02/08/2007 09:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are you guys listening to this interview on KFI? "See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ." (Colossians 2:8) |