California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

Are you aware of any pumps like those being used anywhere?

This is live and current.

Geesh...I should not try doing math before lots of coffee and waking up!

Here's the correct calculation for outflows at 100,000 cfs over 24 hours...

(If they can use the MS that hard...)

The total outflows at 100,000 CFS for 24 hours can be calculated using 100,000 x 3600 x 24. (3600 converts seconds to hours, and then you have 24 hours..) That number is 8,640,000,000.

The square footage of the reservoir surface is the other factor we need, and that is calculated by converting the known 25 square mile surface area to square feet. We do that by taking 25 x 640 (acres) x 43560 (square feet per acre). That number is 696,960,000.

Water level drop is simply dividing the total output by the square footage of the reservoir...8640000000/696960000...or 12.4 feet. So even at 6" of rainfall, if they crank the MS open to 100,000 cfs, we're safe! 7" or more...we're screwed.

Mobile pumps, can pump water out at 20,000 CFS these days...wherever they feel like placing them.

Negative, but the Inflow numbers the last several days have been completely bogus. Confirmed by many.

Just look at the typical , normal Inflow amounts during rainstorms in the past -

[link to cdec.water.ca.gov (secure)]

This seems to be the latest stupidity.

I cannot understand ANY way to "divert" water around Oroville.

When 3600 square miles

FUNNELS INTO THE DAM

How the hell do you think they could go around it?

The stupid, it hurts.

Mobile pumps, can pump water out at 20,000 CFS these days...wherever they feel like placing them.

I am pretty sure that sometime around last weekend there was a period of hours where the in/outflows were not updated. They eventually filled them all in, hours later, but it was very strange. Given how out of control stuff got last weekend it's not terribly reassuring to see it happening again. XD

Do you guys think Trump is somewhat on the hook for this, at this point? If the dam goes, and the administration did nothing, are they guilty/responsible for not acting?

Trump did not create this problem: it is the result of California, democrats, bad spending, shit politics, a misguided population, etc. No question there. I liken California to a seriously misbehaving teenager: it's drinking and driving through playgrounds at high speed and may soon take out a crosswalk of kids. Now, it's Cali doing this, but the citizens of Cali (some of em) are American citizens. They are Trump's responsibility also.

At what point does Daddy say "OK kid, give me the keys, you are OUT, I am IN, because YOU are going to kill one of the people I am sworn to protect."

Trump is no dummy and he must know the response here has been very bad, and is very bad. He is not intervening for a reason. If this were just a political thing, fine. But, many may die because of the ineptitude of Cali's response, and Trump cannot say "I did not know." Obama could have claimed cluelessness and maybe that would have been true. That might be possible. Trump? No. Fuckin. Way.

So .. what's the deal? What's the strategy?

they are trucking in fill for the erosion from the MS undercutting the dam buffer?? Truck drivers are thrilled with the overtime. This reed guy is a wimp, afraid of water, must not bathe :), hike down, get your boots muddy, get a tripod and learn to film. Thanks for the heads up.

And where would they pump it to...tankers? lol

And where would they pump it to...tankers? lol

Live cam ES lakeside shots.

So definitely dropping somehow but it doesn't make sense.

:ES Water level1:

:ES Water level2:

Live cam ES lakeside shots.

So definitely dropping somehow but it doesn't make sense.

Has the state of California even ASKED for any assistance in the way of equipment, Army Corps of Engineers, etc? You don't "federalize" a state issue, you wait for the state to ask for help which I'm unaware of California doing.

The FEMA staging is different, that's been done; positioning resources on an "if needed" basis, very proactive.

Wind can push water temporarily back. Low pressure can draw water back, I have seen water at shore get sucked out on a calm day when a storm was over the lake, it is weird.

Makes perfect sense because the MS is being reamed at full throttle and there's a lag time btwn rain in the watershed and arrival to the lake.

hey, it's always possible.

they could easily divert to other rivers as well. (but would need a lot of hose)

Makes perfect sense because the MS is being reamed at full throttle and there's a lag time btwn rain in the watershed and arrival to the lake.

Did a search and found absolutely no such thing as a mobile pump capable of 20,000 cfs.

Live cam ES lakeside shots.

So definitely dropping somehow but it doesn't make sense.

:ES Water level1:

:ES Water level2:

ton of flooding / storm damage reports in the San Fran area already.

[link to forecast.weather.gov]

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3600 sq miles of watershed will take quite a bit of time to flow into the lake...it doesn't happen overnight.

Hey the GLP experts said it would be at 901+ by Tuesday....because they know everything.....