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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

 
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Free armchair civil engineer advice in case anyone from Oroville is lurking here:

[link to imgur.com]

1. The spillway is shot
2. It will need to be repoured entirely
3. Demolish entire upper part of spillway
4. Push demolished upper spillway concrete down into cavity to fill
5. Repour the whole gotdamn thang


You're welcome.
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That is cheap advice and not the worse part.

You forgot they need to tear out the entire gate system that is on the verge of shearing off.
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Not sure that I buy the latest outflow & inflow rates. Outflow, sure, but that inflow......-

Outflow - 0
Inflow - 2673
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Hahhahahahha. Uh. No. Just no. Someone call them and tell them we don't believe and they need to fix the number.
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this is not the doom you are looking for.

nothing to see here.

move along.
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Wow. Did you think that one up all on your own? Because if so, I am going to need you to write a screenplay for me...

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Free armchair civil engineer advice in case anyone from Oroville is lurking here:

[link to imgur.com]

1. The spillway is shot
2. It will need to be repoured entirely
3. Demolish entire upper part of spillway
4. Push demolished upper spillway concrete down into cavity to fill
5. Repour the whole gotdamn thang


You're welcome.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73832234


can't accomplish all that with needing to open and
close the MS to lower the lake all the time and
because of the incoming Spring snow-melt floods and more rain.

can you recommend some patching work to just get us by till summer?
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Free armchair civil engineer advice in case anyone from Oroville is lurking here:

[link to imgur.com]

1. The spillway is shot
2. It will need to be repoured entirely
3. Demolish entire upper part of spillway
4. Push demolished upper spillway concrete down into cavity to fill
5. Repour the whole gotdamn thang


You're welcome.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73832234


That is cheap advice and not the worse part.

You forgot they need to tear out the entire gate system that is on the verge of shearing off.
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Why do you think the gate system is on the verge of tearing off?
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multiple pics from today halfway down page.

[link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]


Just wow.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74242368


yes those pics are amazing!!!....wow...no damage huh...no structures threatened huh...under cut on that spillway is still doom on come high flow!
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See you after the rainy season.
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There's got to be gold in there. Wish I was nearby.
 Quoting: Flyover County


I'm not close, but I might have to go on a camping trip!
You saw how much the bed rock was cut into.
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Free armchair civil engineer advice in case anyone from Oroville is lurking here:

[link to imgur.com]

1. The spillway is shot
2. It will need to be repoured entirely
3. Demolish entire upper part of spillway
4. Push demolished upper spillway concrete down into cavity to fill
5. Repour the whole gotdamn thang


You're welcome.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73832234


can't accomplish all that with needing to open and
close the MS to lower the lake all the time and
because of the incoming Spring snow-melt floods and more rain.

can you recommend some patching work to just get us by till summer?
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I doubt they'll be doing much work to the spillway until summertime when they hopefully won't have to be using the spillway at all.
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yes those pics are amazing!!!....wow...no damage huh...no structures threatened huh...under cut on that spillway is still doom on come high flow!
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Garrett Ace 400- Check
Garrett Pin Pointer Pro- Check
Gold Pans- Check
High Banker- Check


See you after the rainy season.
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There's got to be gold in there. Wish I was nearby.
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I'm not close, but I might have to go on a camping trip!
You saw how much the bed rock was cut into.
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Good luck if you go. You might be very wealthy
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Free armchair civil engineer advice in case anyone from Oroville is lurking here:

[link to imgur.com]

1. The spillway is shot
2. It will need to be repoured entirely
3. Demolish entire upper part of spillway
4. Push demolished upper spillway concrete down into cavity to fill
5. Repour the whole gotdamn thang


You're welcome.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73832234


That is cheap advice and not the worse part.

You forgot they need to tear out the entire gate system that is on the verge of shearing off.
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Why do you think the gate system is on the verge of tearing off?
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The crack was the confirmation I needed, but do you know what millions of pounds of constant running water does even to an intact spillway.
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Almost every frac'n vehicle had frame damage and one in ten was not even road worthy. Nope you don't hear that on the news. That is experience.
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Long range models showing a bunch of colder storms moving into the area around day 6 and beyond.
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Any indication of low temps in the valley? I have tomatoes that need to go out.
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Gold Pans- Check
High Banker- Check


See you after the rainy season.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7759106


There's got to be gold in there. Wish I was nearby.
 Quoting: Flyover County


I'm not close, but I might have to go on a camping trip!
You saw how much the bed rock was cut into.
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Good luck if you go. You might be very wealthy
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Not worried about getting wealthy, just to cover my expenses. You never know what you might find, or not find.

Here's a little history on the area.
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Look at all of the guys in the yellow jackets to the left of the spillway.......
Bet there're thinking what in the hell are we gonna do now
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These numbers make no sense:

02/27 3:00pm 838.33 2654828 0 23539 14615 39.32 13.4
02/27 4:00pm 838.22 2653408 0 2673 14475 39.32 13.4
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What they may suggest though is massive, unreported leakage somewhere....
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I know I am crazy but y'all should be use to me by now. The wet ground that I keep focusing on -- could there be an undercurrent over there on the back side of the chutes that we can't see that is flowing below the surface and creating these crazy numbers? Look at that long YouTube video from today and you can see this area. It hasn't dried out for days so it's staying wet somehow.
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[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)] In the Aux Spillway angle, you can actually see puddled water on this wet spot that I did not see earlier today. Change in light I guess but, the chutes are now shut too.
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Latest inflow reported as 982 CFS.

Seriously...
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Latest inflow reported as 982 CFS.

Seriously...
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Lol.
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Long range models showing a bunch of colder storms moving into the area around day 6 and beyond.
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Any indication of low temps in the valley? I have tomatoes that need to go out.
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Not sure yet. Too early to tell.
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I bet they eventually fill that whole gat danged gouge back in. They're already stockpiling rock there along the cliff.

Plus they'll dredge the bottom out, that whole pile of sandbar crap, and shove it back up in there too.

Rebuild of whole dang spillway, maybe redesign, maybe rebuild whole new gate system and spillway where the ES is, who knows.

These boys have some serious dad burned equipment at their disposal, if they can keep the thing from disintegrating completely, they'll put 'er back together.
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man i wish we could the footage from that lower copter...he can see the gold up close.
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multiple pics from today halfway down page.

[link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]


Just wow.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74242368


yes those pics are amazing!!!....wow...no damage huh...no structures threatened huh...under cut on that spillway is still doom on come high flow!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74183185


Garrett Ace 400- Check
Garrett Pin Pointer Pro- Check
Gold Pans- Check
High Banker- Check


See you after the rainy season.
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There's got to be gold in there. Wish I was nearby.
 Quoting: Flyover County


hesright
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I bet they eventually fill that whole gat danged gouge back in. They're already stockpiling rock there along the cliff.

Plus they'll dredge the bottom out, that whole pile of sandbar crap, and shove it back up in there too.

Rebuild of whole dang spillway, maybe redesign, maybe rebuild whole new gate system and spillway where the ES is, who knows.

These boys have some serious dad burned equipment at their disposal, if they can keep the thing from disintegrating completely, they'll put 'er back together.
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You can't re-build a spillway on back fill. It has to be solid undisturbed ground. They will have to pull something out of there ass and completely re-engineer the whole damn thing.
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yes those pics are amazing!!!....wow...no damage huh...no structures threatened huh...under cut on that spillway is still doom on come high flow!
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Garrett Ace 400- Check
Garrett Pin Pointer Pro- Check
Gold Pans- Check
High Banker- Check


See you after the rainy season.
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There's got to be gold in there. Wish I was nearby.
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hesright
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I am 3.5 hours away from the Dam. Where should I pan for gold in the coming weeks? Never done it.
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Latest inflow reported as 982 CFS.

Seriously...
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Crazy, right?!
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man i wish we could the footage from that lower copter...he can see the gold up close.
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At the end of that video, it looked like they were already panning downstream with an excavator bucket.
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I am 3.5 hours away from the Dam. Where should I pan for gold in the coming weeks? Never done it.
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Right below the spillway. You can pick up a personal, portable, slucebox for around a bill. Check around boulders, anywhere that a new stream formed, cutting the hillside down to bedrock should be checked, especially where it meets the Feather River.
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Latest inflow reported as 982 CFS.

Seriously...
 Quoting: Crunch62


Crazy, right?!
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Yeah. Definitely not accurate. Net inflow should be rising exponentially with all releases shut down.
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What does below mean?
"jacked all the way down"?


Non-engineers have it in their brains that solid items can't twist and turn. Ford delivered cars to a rental agency, ten at a time, and they had to be jacked all the way down, where only have the back tire was visible.

What happened?

Almost every frac'n vehicle had frame damage and one in ten was not even road worthy. Nope you don't hear that on the news. That is experience.
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What does below mean?
"jacked all the way down"?


Non-engineers have it in their brains that solid items can't twist and turn. Ford delivered cars to a rental agency, ten at a time, and they had to be jacked all the way down, where only have the back tire was visible.

What happened?

Almost every frac'n vehicle had frame damage and one in ten was not even road worthy. Nope you don't hear that on the news. That is experience.
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Below, in this discussion, means 'downstream'
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Dang, that looks like an unfixable mess.

Maybe if they can get the power plant up and running again, the 13,500 cfs would give them the margin they need to keep the main spillway dry for a long period of time where they could find bedrock to rebuild. Highly doubtful, however.

Alternatively, how would they take the dam down permanently? What would that do to the areas below the dam? And how would Southern California be affected in terms of water supply?
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That's a dam serious hole to fill there. Grand Canyon like.





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