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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

 
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Where is all the gold?
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hmm
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60's in oroville begin today, low up to 49' Friday and then chilly at nights again until mid March with T-storms in the forecast 3/16-20
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Steel plate will not work.
Steel pipe would work. I saw a video from an engineer showing how steel pipe could bridge the gap and it would be structurally stronger. The voids between the large pipe could have ever smaller pipes and standard concrete or other sealants to fill the smallest voids. This would eliminate the need to fill the area under the spillway and only need a truss system like on a trestle bridge to hold it up.
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Well since the spillway gates are cracked this whole MS needs to be abandoned ASAP and another one constructed at the parking lot...this would require raising the ES lip but it's really the only choice...this MS is completely finished.
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So far there's only been speculation that the spillway gates are cracked ... no proof.
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Divers? I wonder how long any fix they attempt will hold once the water rises again.
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Steel plate will not work.
Steel pipe would work. I saw a video from an engineer showing how steel pipe could bridge the gap and it would be structurally stronger. The voids between the large pipe could have ever smaller pipes and standard concrete or other sealants to fill the smallest voids. This would eliminate the need to fill the area under the spillway and only need a truss system like on a trestle bridge to hold it up.
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Well since the spillway gates are cracked this whole MS needs to be abandoned ASAP and another one constructed at the parking lot...this would require raising the ES lip but it's really the only choice...this MS is completely finished.
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So far there's only been speculation that the spillway gates are cracked ... no proof.
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In that vid it looked like they were stitching up slabs of concrete together?
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Thanks for the continued information everyone hf. Got a lot going on here but trying to check this thread and a couple of vids at least once a day and I'm grateful for the numbers, vids etc.

Just found this one and it is mindblowing how different the area at the bottom of the MS is without the water there.



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I haven't been watching the park dam camera because I know all the activity is happening out of camera view. but, if they might need to use divers, I'll start watching again focusing on the Aux spillway angle to see if any boats approach the chutes from the lake side.

[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]
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Well since the spillway gates are cracked this whole MS needs to be abandoned ASAP and another one constructed at the parking lot...this would require raising the ES lip but it's really the only choice...this MS is completely finished.
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So far there's only been speculation that the spillway gates are cracked ... no proof.
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In that vid it looked like they were stitching up slabs of concrete together?
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I think those stitches are the bent rebar ripped out of the slabs when the breakage tore it apart?
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I haven't been watching the park dam camera because I know all the activity is happening out of camera view. but, if they might need to use divers, I'll start watching again focusing on the Aux spillway angle to see if any boats approach the chutes from the lake side.

[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]
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Good call. I've just realised it's been 48 hours since I looked at the cam!
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Wow!



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They may try diffusing the flow up the remaining ms in stages.

That might reduce impact at the busted spot.

I think a tour into Viktor Schaubergers work is in order.
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Wow!




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My God, look at the amount of crumbled bedrock and debris that came down from the slope.

That's hardly a solid foundation to be building on.
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Is anyone even going to try to hold anyone accountable for the horrible decisions that allowed the MS to become severely damaged in the first place, and the dam to fill all the way up and damage the ES as well???

Anyone???

I didn't think so...
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Ummm....

Can we talk about this?
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This should be a constant theme on the MSM talk shows.

Gee, I wonder why it isn't???
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Noon:

Current water level - 843.68
Current outflow rate - 0
Current inflow rate - 20,115
River release rate - 2555
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There are some new pictures at the Mercury News tweeter page that show trucks at the foot of the MS removing debris. I tried to post but got a copyright warning.
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there are no Copyright protections against "fair use".
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At this rate of app. 3 feet per day, and doing that just with snow melt and no rain, the dam will overtop again in 19 days.

Of course, they will use the MS again long before that, so it won't happen unless the rainfall and snow melt become unmanageable.

The damage looks impressive beneath the MS, but there must be solid rock all the rest of the way up, so as long as the MS gates hold, we should be OK.

IF...they do get into a situation where they need to use the ES again, all bets are off. No amount of downhill patching is going to prevent that sucker from blowing out if they get any kind of volume over it for any length of time.
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so, then, we can safely presume that the Flood Control Dam System
in Northern California is ready to receive the incoming
Spring snow-melt and rains?
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Current water level - 843.79
Current outflow rate - 0
Current inflow rate - 21,025
River release rate - 2567

I think they are releasing water from the upstream reservoirs into Oroville, too. They are trying to give themselves more cushion for this weekend when the NWS says temps will climb and rainfall of 2.35" is expected Saturday morning into Monday afternoon.
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Where are the dam is gonna burst tards now?

It is still there ass clowns..........

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Steel plate will not work.
Steel pipe would work. I saw a video from an engineer showing how steel pipe could bridge the gap and it would be structurally stronger. The voids between the large pipe could have ever smaller pipes and standard concrete or other sealants to fill the smallest voids. This would eliminate the need to fill the area under the spillway and only need a truss system like on a trestle bridge to hold it up.
 Quoting: Bullwinkle 73897037


Well since the spillway gates are cracked this whole MS needs to be abandoned ASAP and another one constructed at the parking lot...this would require raising the ES lip but it's really the only choice...this MS is completely finished.
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So far there's only been speculation that the spillway gates are cracked ... no proof.
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A link would be nice
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At this rate of app. 3 feet per day, and doing that just with snow melt and no rain, the dam will overtop again in 19 days.

Of course, they will use the MS again long before that, so it won't happen unless the rainfall and snow melt become unmanageable.

The damage looks impressive beneath the MS, but there must be solid rock all the rest of the way up, so as long as the MS gates hold, we should be OK.

IF...they do get into a situation where they need to use the ES again, all bets are off. No amount of downhill patching is going to prevent that sucker from blowing out if they get any kind of volume over it for any length of time.
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Well, GLP had a warning up when I went to post this and I thought, better safe than sorry.
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At this rate of app. 3 feet per day, and doing that just with snow melt and no rain, the dam will overtop again in 19 days.

Of course, they will use the MS again long before that, so it won't happen unless the rainfall and snow melt become unmanageable.

The damage looks impressive beneath the MS, but there must be solid rock all the rest of the way up, so as long as the MS gates hold, we should be OK.

IF...they do get into a situation where they need to use the ES again, all bets are off. No amount of downhill patching is going to prevent that sucker from blowing out if they get any kind of volume over it for any length of time.
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Well, GLP had a warning up when I went to post this and I thought, better safe than sorry.
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Sorry -- my comment was in response to not posting a newspaper link because of warning of copyright violation.
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The heat has hit the bay area..feels like summer in the sun..will be in the mid 60s all of march in oroville with more rain in forecast
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some weather forecasting models are saying that there
will be unseasonably warm temps in the Sierras beginning
this weekend and continuing for 7 days.

so, something will be happening next week, probably.
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Some of the photos in the gallery at [link to ww2.kqed.org (secure)] are really good.
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some weather forecasting models are saying that there
will be unseasonably warm temps in the Sierras beginning
this weekend and continuing for 7 days.

so, something will be happening next week, probably.
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Just in time for Japan anniversary
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pray to Jesus

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The heat has hit the bay area..feels like summer in the sun..will be in the mid 60s all of march in oroville with more rain in forecast
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It is warm this afternoon up here in the valley, too.

Mosquitoes are out in full force.
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