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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severly Damaged/Eroded. Repairs Expected Soon.

 
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Yeah, I have been around for awhile. And have yet to see the corp successfully save a project when it weeks from being "overwhelmed".

Don't get me wrong, I love them all. They get us over rivers in a giffy. But do not ask them for damage control. Because the ones that will never speak up will tell you what I will tell you.

They should have evacuated everything downstream and been building a follow along path --- the destroy the dam before DWR kills thousands of people.
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The Army Corps of Engineers Civil Works Division:

"Civil Works' Mission and Vision: Dedicated to providing quality, responsive service to the nation in peace and war. The Directorate of Civil Works is a major component of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. The Civil Works programs include water resource development activities including flood risk management, navigation, recreation, and infrastructure and environmental stewardship. Our mission also includes emergency response."

and you can bet that they hire Contractors to do all their
Civil Work for them.

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Yep. Data is not flowing, but all looks OK on the damcam...
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Yeah, I have been around for awhile. And have yet to see the corp successfully save a project when it weeks from being "overwhelmed".

Don't get me wrong, I love them all. They get us over rivers in a giffy. But do not ask them for damage control. Because the ones that will never speak up will tell you what I will tell you.

They should have evacuated everything downstream and been building a follow along path --- the destroy the dam before DWR kills thousands of people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21185155


The Army Corps of Engineers Civil Works Division:

"Civil Works' Mission and Vision: Dedicated to providing quality, responsive service to the nation in peace and war. The Directorate of Civil Works is a major component of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. The Civil Works programs include water resource development activities including flood risk management, navigation, recreation, and infrastructure and environmental stewardship. Our mission also includes emergency response."

and you can bet that they hire Contractors to do all their
Civil Work for them.

[link to www.usace.army.mil]
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Dude. Yah. I know what they do. I have been there. Seen that. You missed my cracking sense of sarcastic humor.

They are great folks. But not a damn division has ever stopped a disaster once it was rolling along.
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Yeah, I have been around for awhile. And have yet to see the corp successfully save a project when it weeks from being "overwhelmed".

Don't get me wrong, I love them all. They get us over rivers in a giffy. But do not ask them for damage control. Because the ones that will never speak up will tell you what I will tell you.

They should have evacuated everything downstream and been building a follow along path --- the destroy the dam before DWR kills thousands of people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21185155


The Army Corps of Engineers Civil Works Division:

"Civil Works' Mission and Vision: Dedicated to providing quality, responsive service to the nation in peace and war. The Directorate of Civil Works is a major component of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. The Civil Works programs include water resource development activities including flood risk management, navigation, recreation, and infrastructure and environmental stewardship. Our mission also includes emergency response."

and you can bet that they hire Contractors to do all their
Civil Work for them.

[link to www.usace.army.mil]
 Quoting: freddie 0


Dude. Yah. I know what they do. I have been there. Seen that. You missed my cracking sense of sarcastic humor.

They are great folks. But not a damn division has ever stopped a disaster once it was rolling along.
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yeh. they move mountains, but it takes time.
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abduct I went looking on YouTube to see if Alan Kuentz has posted any new video from his house of what's happening in front of the MS. I can't find anything since the MS opened again. I hope he'll surprise us with an update. Anyone know him to put in a request?
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Yep. Data is not flowing, but all looks OK on the damcam...
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wonder what they're hiding... hmm
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See. There you go. Two things. Movement and time. Both of those things are not available at this slow motion disaster.

No matter what decision is made now, the results are almost the same, but with less lives lost.

I am truly shocked and love that the MS is still attached to the dam. If they had to continue to run it at 100k -- failure is imminent. And the ES won't hold up for more than another 8 to 12 hours. Max.

So--how about them bears?
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See. There you go. Two things. Movement and time. Both of those things are not available at this slow motion disaster.

No matter what decision is made now, the results are almost the same, but with less lives lost.

I am truly shocked and love that the MS is still attached to the dam. If they had to continue to run it at 100k -- failure is imminent. And the ES won't hold up for more than another 8 to 12 hours. Max.

So--how about them bears?
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indubitably. what a fine kettle of fish this is.
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Not working for me either!
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DWR's cdec site is completely down with a 500 error.

[link to cdec.water.ca.gov]
What the Hell?...
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Question from Montana, why do you think the dam will fail?
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Question from Montana, why do you think the dam will fail?
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because it is suffering from too many fatal injuries,
with an incoming deluge coming in.
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Question from Montana, why do you think the dam will fail?
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because it is suffering from too many fatal injuries,
with an incoming deluge coming in.
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Ok. Thanks.
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Question from Montana, why do you think the dam will fail?
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I asked my dads friend who is an engineer at the Dam and he said they will have to do a full inspection of the Dam when the time comes.
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i just asked my uncle about this and he said "no comment".
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Question from Montana, why do you think the dam will fail?
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because it is suffering from too many fatal injuries,
with an incoming deluge coming in.
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Ok. Thanks.
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DWR has a very short list of less than ideal options, given the condition of the main spillway and the limits it imposes for releasing water.

The incoming storms, combined with snowmelt from the current 180-200% of average snowpack, is sure to cause huge increases of inflow to the reservoir.

DWR needs to find a way to move that incoming water out of the reservoir and downstream.

They could run the crippled spillway full bore, which would likely lead to it's destruction, filling the downstream channel with more debris and possibly the failure of the dam itself.

Or they could run the main spillway at reduced capacity as they are doing now, and watch as the water level overtops the Emergency Spillway again, also leading to a debris-choked river channel and possible failure of the dam.

Either way, the result is not good.
What the Hell?...
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Question from Montana, why do you think the dam will fail?
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because it is suffering from too many fatal injuries,
with an incoming deluge coming in.
 Quoting: freddie 0


Ok. Thanks.
 Quoting: bigD111


DWR has a very short list of less than ideal options, given the condition of the main spillway and the limits it imposes for releasing water.

The incoming storms, combined with snowmelt from the current 180-200% of average snowpack, is sure to cause huge increases of inflow to the reservoir.

DWR needs to find a way to move that incoming water out of the reservoir and downstream.

They could run the crippled spillway full bore, which would likely lead to it's destruction, filling the downstream channel with more debris and possibly the failure of the dam itself.

Or they could run the main spillway at reduced capacity as they are doing now, and watch as the water level overtops the Emergency Spillway again, also leading to a debris-choked river channel and possible failure of the dam.

Either way, the result is not good.
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good info, thanks.
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i just asked my uncle about this and he said "no comment".
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Damn...
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Perforation lines are speed bumps to slow down the water before it rolls off and hits the rocks.
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Lol. Do you know what that much water does to a none-smooth service -- based on your comment you have no clue. Go take a 300 level hydrodynamics course. Or even a basic one on OCW (this one is free).
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even with the most recent MS patching job, DWR still
doesn't seem to understand the Physics of Cavitation.
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They bolted the top of the spillway to rock. I figured those bumps were the tops of bolts. I never saw them in old footage so I figured they are new. Right? What else could it be but new bolts?
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Definitely the new bolts.

I can't be the only one who assumed they would have countersunk those bolt heads and grouted over them to provide a smooth surface.

I'm not an engineer, but have been building and fabricating stuff since I was ten years old and have learned by trial and error what works and what doesn't. You'd think that someone with a formal education in hydrodynamics would know what in the hell they are doing.

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Lol. Do you know what that much water does to a none-smooth service -- based on your comment you have no clue. Go take a 300 level hydrodynamics course. Or even a basic one on OCW (this one is free).
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even with the most recent MS patching job, DWR still
doesn't seem to understand the Physics of Cavitation.
 Quoting: freddie 0


They bolted the top of the spillway to rock. I figured those bumps were the tops of bolts. I never saw them in old footage so I figured they are new. Right? What else could it be but new bolts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73141989


Definitely the new bolts.

I can't be the only one who assumed they would have countersunk those bolt heads and grouted over them to provide a smooth surface.

I'm not an engineer, but have been building and fabricating stuff since I was ten years old and have learned by trial and error what works and what doesn't. You'd think that someone with a formal education in hydrodynamics would know what in the hell they are doing.
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they need more duct tape and super-glue.
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Has anyone heard or calculated how much the inflow will be when the spring melt is fully running?

I don't have the brain power to figure this out...


Great information has been shared:

- Watershed area = 32,000 miles
[link to www.sacriver.org]

- The catchment area of the lake is 3,950 square miles
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

- The amount of Central Sierra snowpack is 176% of normal with a water equivalent of 50.1"
[link to 136.200.243.100]

- The Elevation/Inflow/Outflow Data for the lake
(the URL with IP address seems to be working.... now)
[link to 136.200.243.100]


What I'm really asking is:
What is anticipated for the inflow high level?
When is the high inflow expected?
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even with the most recent MS patching job, DWR still
doesn't seem to understand the Physics of Cavitation.
 Quoting: freddie 0


They bolted the top of the spillway to rock. I figured those bumps were the tops of bolts. I never saw them in old footage so I figured they are new. Right? What else could it be but new bolts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73141989


Definitely the new bolts.

I can't be the only one who assumed they would have countersunk those bolt heads and grouted over them to provide a smooth surface.

I'm not an engineer, but have been building and fabricating stuff since I was ten years old and have learned by trial and error what works and what doesn't. You'd think that someone with a formal education in hydrodynamics would know what in the hell they are doing.
 Quoting: Crunch62


they need more duct tape and super-glue.
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Those are possibly better options than exposed bolt heads on the spillway deck.

Last Edited by Crunch62 on 03/19/2017 05:54 PM
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Has anyone heard or calculated how much the inflow will be when the spring melt is fully running?

I don't have the brain power to figure this out...


Great information has been shared:

- Watershed area = 32,000 miles
[link to www.sacriver.org]

- The catchment area of the lake is 3,950 square miles
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

- The amount of Central Sierra snowpack is 176% of normal with a water equivalent of 50.1"
[link to 136.200.243.100]

- The Elevation/Inflow/Outflow Data for the lake
(the URL with IP address seems to be working.... now)
[link to 136.200.243.100]


What I'm really asking is:
What is anticipated for the inflow high level?
When is the high inflow expected?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74019262


someone like the State Hydrologists would know
all of those numbers. that's their job.
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I wish they would let us know...
The inflow for the last hour is displayed as 30k CFS!
The Outflow of the MS is 40-50K CFS.

The sfan when they cannot crank up the MS flow without destruction of the top of spillway and or the lake fills up and flows over the ES.

When do the bags need to be packed?
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Shasta's elevation chart doesn't load either..."Internal Server Error."
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2PM:

Level: 855.65
Outflows: 46,820
Inflows: 30,969
River rel.: 47,954

3PM:

Level: 855.34
Outflows: 46,789
Inflows: 17,832
River rel.: 47,749
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The huge drop off which they put shotcrete on the face of shouts out one thing loud and clear, from the MS gate structure down to the drop off, the MS is built overtop crap for a sub base.

With the coming rain and snow melt, Mother Nature is about to draw to that inside straight.

Tiger ride coming to a quick end...
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Question from Montana, why do you think the dam will fail?
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There is plenty of discussion. 800 bloody pages worth. If you missed the finer points, please skim it.

They are blessed it is still staniding now. And remember a dam failure does not mean the main dam collapses. Get that out of your head folks.


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