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Could this be a seriously real way to EXIT THE MATRIX?

 
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There is no difference between the real you, the non-experiencing witness consciousness, and your experiencing consciousness, the person you think you are.

Although the person you think you are is an object known to you, like the physical objects are known to it, it is non-separate from you, the non-experiencing witness— the real you— just as a ring made of gold is not separate from the gold.

If this is true, the objects are you! This is what we mean when we use the word non-duality.


James Swartz: The Essence of Enlightenment: Vedanta, The Science of Consciousness
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It makes a huge difference to know that everything is actually you, not someone or something else.

Conflict virtually disappears and the small conflicts that do develop are easily laid to rest.


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If I am not happy, it is not due to the presence or absence of an object, it is due to a failure to distinguish myself from the objects that appear in me.

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I don't believe in any of this.

I was under general anesthesia and there was nothing, no awareness, no time, no sensation, no will, no I..... When I die, it is the same thing.

It's all bullshit.
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I don't believe in any of this.

I was under general anesthesia and there was nothing, no awareness, no time, no sensation, no will, no I..... When I die, it is the same thing.

It's all bullshit.
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Consciousness isn't the same as awareness. The mortal character you play is not you. Life is like a Dream, or a video game. Have you ever had a lucid dream, when you suddenly know your dreaming? Life can be experienced just like that.

"Just as a sleeping man forgets all and wakes up for another day, or he dies and emerges into another life, so do the worlds of desire and fear dissolve and disappear. But the universal witness, the Supreme Self (your sense of "I am"), never sleeps and never dies. Eternally the Great Heart beats and at each beat a new universe comes into being." -- Nisargadatta

"The soul is undergoing a dream from which it must awake. This dream represents our association and identification with the world. The fact that it is described as being a dream means that whatever is in it has to be false. Nothing in a dream can be true. Waking up from that dream is the ultimate goal, Self-realization." -- The main theme of "Yoga Vasistha"
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I don't believe in any of this.

I was under general anesthesia and there was nothing, no awareness, no time, no sensation, no will, no I..... When I die, it is the same thing.

It's all bullshit.
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Your right there is no I, you as the 'I' are nothing more than the thinker that believes its an individual that is separate from what is perceived this the grand illusion.

The universe is appearing in and to awareness
Awareness is what 'is' all else are appearances.

To be a awake is living truth, no 'thinker' can ever be this because thought is separation which is an illusion.
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For the record, that person— the one you are trying to change or rid yourself of (the ego) — remains when you know who you are. It is simply known to be an object non-separate from your true identity (eternal all pervading Awareness).

That person, the one that gives you so much trouble, is a problem only because you identify with it and believe it to be the sum total of your existence.

When you understand clearly that the true, non-dual You is not exclusively that limited person, your illusory identity appears as a good friend, a toothless enemy, or at worst just an amusing bundle of irrational tendencies.


James Swartz: The Essence of Enlightenment: Vedanta, The Science of Consciousness
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I don't believe in any of this.

I was under general anesthesia and there was nothing, no awareness, no time, no sensation, no will, no I..... When I die, it is the same thing.

It's all bullshit.
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Your right there is no I, you as the 'I' are nothing more than the thinker that believes its an individual that is separate from what is perceived this the grand illusion.

The universe is appearing in and to awareness
Awareness is what 'is' all else are appearances.

To be a awake is living truth, no 'thinker' can ever be this because thought is separation which is an illusion.
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If there is nothing, what does it matter?
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I don't believe in any of this.

I was under general anesthesia and there was nothing, no awareness, no time, no sensation, no will, no I..... When I die, it is the same thing.

It's all bullshit.
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Your right there is no I, you as the 'I' are nothing more than the thinker that believes its an individual that is separate from what is perceived this the grand illusion.

The universe is appearing in and to awareness
Awareness is what 'is' all else are appearances.

To be a awake is living truth, no 'thinker' can ever be this because thought is separation which is an illusion.
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If there is nothing, what does it matter?
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It's not that the universe is "nothing", it's that it's an illusion. It's like a movie you're totally absorbed in. You can feel fear, hate, empathy, etc. and it seems real. But, it's nice to know you can find yourself back in the audience fairly easily. When one is truly "Awake", you see the movie of Life from a point of view outside of Time, Space, etc. You aren't the character; your body/mind.
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It's not that the universe is "nothing", it's that it's an illusion. It's like a movie you're totally absorbed in. You can feel fear, hate, empathy, etc. and it seems real. But, it's nice to know you can find yourself back in the audience fairly easily. When one is truly "Awake", you see the movie of Life from a point of view outside of Time, Space, etc. You aren't the character; your body/mind.
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If there is nothing beyond the illusion (since all things are illusion), then what does it matter? You can't find yourself back in the audience because your will is also an illusion too and once you're dead, your thoughts, ability to decide etc, is not yours any more because there is no you.

What I am saying is there is nothing beyond illusion ie there is nothing beyond time and space.
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It's not that the universe is "nothing", it's that it's an illusion. It's like a movie you're totally absorbed in. You can feel fear, hate, empathy, etc. and it seems real. But, it's nice to know you can find yourself back in the audience fairly easily. When one is truly "Awake", you see the movie of Life from a point of view outside of Time, Space, etc. You aren't the character; your body/mind.
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If there is nothing beyond the illusion (since all things are illusion), then what does it matter? You can't find yourself back in the audience because your will is also an illusion too and once you're dead, your thoughts, ability to decide etc, is not yours any more because there is no you.

What I am saying is there is nothing beyond illusion ie there is nothing beyond time and space.
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The problem with this matrix or Maya that we're embedded in is that it strongly reinforces the false sense of identity we all have.

You think you're a person responding to a GLP post and I think I'm a person responding to your response. We all have this crazy totally brainwashed idea that we individually exist as individual entities with bodies and egos and emotions, etc.

It's a totally convincing illusion. But it IS AN ILLUSION NONETHELESS.

What is NOT an illusion is the Awareness we all share. Some call it consciousness, but whatever you call it, it precedes everything. No experience can exist without it. Ya gotta have Awareness to experience stuff.

So when you say: "there is nothing beyond illusion ie there is nothing beyond time and space", you are making and understandable but incorrect assumption.
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It's not that the universe is "nothing", it's that it's an illusion. It's like a movie you're totally absorbed in. You can feel fear, hate, empathy, etc. and it seems real. But, it's nice to know you can find yourself back in the audience fairly easily. When one is truly "Awake", you see the movie of Life from a point of view outside of Time, Space, etc. You aren't the character; your body/mind.
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If there is no thing beyond the illusion (since all things are illusion), then what does it matter? You can't find yourself back in the audience because your will is also an illusion too and once you're dead, your thoughts, ability to decide etc, is not yours any more because there is no you.

What I am saying is there is no thing beyond illusion ie there is no thing beyond time and space.
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Your so close with these great questions, just remember that thought can not see truth, thought free seeing is primary (before thought) this is true nature and what you were and are before the thinker entrained awareness.

In a very real sense you are no-thing....yet you exist
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You may feel a little silly when you realize that you were tricked by duality and that you are actually awareness, the non-experiencing witness.

Don’t berate yourself for taking yourself to be the experiencing awareness for so long. Everyone is fooled by duality.


James Swartz: The Essence of Enlightenment: Vedanta, The Science of Consciousness
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The kind of happiness that is the nature of the self is a subtle simple sense of wholeness and completeness, a quiet contentment born of an unquestionable sense of self-confidence: knowing that no matter what happens, good or bad, I am always okay because I am a partless whole.

I am adequate. There are no divisions in me, no boundaries or borders separate me from anything.


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No object exists apart from the thought of that object.

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Objects— structures— are formed out of awareness like a spider’s web is formed out of the spider.

And awareness, like the spider, is conscious, while the web, like the objects of experience, is not conscious.

Just as the web is the spider but the spider is not the web, experience is awareness but awareness is not experience.


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Because objects are not opaque but are actually the mind appearing as objects, the objects can be reduced to awareness.

When you investigate material objects they resolve into atoms, protons, neutrons and electrons and then into quarks and mesons and even into other infinitely small bits of matter, right down to the Higgs boson.

Once you get down to a certain level of matter, particles become waves and these waves appear in and disappear into “space.” We can’t even say what space actually is because it is not a sense object that we experience.

And when you consider subtle objects— thoughts and feelings and memories, dreams, fantasies, etc— it is obvious that they are not substantial either.

So there is nothing substantial for us to experience “out there,” except ourselves as consciousness in the form of objects.


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Freedom is limitlessness.

It means that boundaries don’t hem you in, that nothing contains you, restricts you, defines you or modifies you.

It is a worthwhile goal. In fact, it is the only goal.


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Vedanta (which is a knowledge based approach to non-duality) is not a spiritual path. It does not promise mystical experience.

It does not try to connect you to anything because you are already connected.

It does not try to change your experience, although your experience is transformed when you understand who you are.

It does not try to fix you, because you are not broken. It does not try to heal you, because you are not sick.

It is firmly based on reality. It is common sense existential knowledge.


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Freedom from dependence on your experience of objects for happiness is liberation.

Liberation is difficult because we are almost totally conditioned to the idea that what we experience defines and validates us.

Thinking that it does is putting life’s cart before the horse. It makes us victims of what happens, when in fact we are always beyond what happens.


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Awareness is always present.

You can do nothing about it except know what it is and what it means to be awareness.

It is ignorance of my nature as awareness that causes me to believe I can gain my self by stopping my mind or getting into a state of emptiness.


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Welp, enjoy being chock full of demons, just like Obongo (flesh suit housing tens of thousands of demons).
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Desire is just awareness functioning as the creator, sustainer and destroyer of the world.

As long as my desires do not cause me to violate the physical and moral laws operating in the creation, why should I remove them?

I am free to fulfill them. Enlightenment is the hard and fast knowledge that I am awareness and as such I am already free of desires so their presence or absence has nothing to do with me.

Realize your nature and let desire be desire.


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Duality is not a fact. It's an illusion. It's a belief in the thought of separation.

Instead of trying to remove desire by going after a particular object, I should inquire into whether or not I'm actually separate from it.

Is it possible that I am one with and part of everything in my experience?

It possible that I am never separate from Awareness, my Self?

Is it possible that I am already the satisfaction and bliss that I seek from the objects around me?


paraphrased from James Swartz: The Essence of Enlightenment: Vedanta, The Science of Consciousness
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Enlightenment does not feel like anything.

It is simply the hard and fast knowledge that I am limitless, partless, unchanging ordinary awareness.


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When you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are awareness, you no longer desire to feel good, because you know you are the source of goodness.

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So OP do you really think you are me, aswell as yourself? and every other poster here?

Why would you believe such a thing? Even in Heaven is duality, God sits on the throne and noone else. Jesus is God's right hand and noone else. And then there is the story of Lucifer/Satan aswell. We are all unique individuals.

Do you have an actual spiritual experience that there is no duality?
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Enlightenment is the hard and fast knowledge that I am ordinary awareness and not the experiencing entity I think I am.

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You use the B wayyy too much. Makes it hard to read you.





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