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Why I rejected jesus and I'll never believe in him again | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 71721801  United States02/18/2017 04:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
-GLP-Christian-  User ID: 73837872  Sweden02/18/2017 04:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So now we know what angle you are coming from. You don't say the name of God. Thanks for showing your hand finally. No further comment is needed. . It's that same old Israel guy that got banned in the past for his incessant yeshiva bullshit. Get saved wretch: [link to biblebelievers.com] Everything you need to know about islam: [link to prophetofdoom.net] The Jihad Triangle: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] FRANCE IS TEH GHEY! |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73074586  Germany02/18/2017 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well here you go OP: Quoting: -GLP-Christian- [link to www.jesusplusnothing.com] that's for starters. Not that you will look that up, because if you would, you would have already have brought your evidence in the original post, but you didn't you little deceiver. Oh and since you Germans are really tarded when it comes to Christianity: Catholicism and Lutheranism IS NOT AND HAVE NEVER BEEN Christianity. Same goes for those tarded orthodox. Hello name caller, how are you doing? Pick one prophecy and explain why it's jesus, then we can debate in a civil manner, have a nice day/night. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73074586 Germany02/18/2017 04:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Docile animals: Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. knowledge of G-d by everyone: Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. worldwide peace: Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Obviously, jesus didn't fullfill any messianic prophecy. Pets, zoo's. In the nations of the Lord Worldwide gospel and bible in all the nations Nations that do not know the Lord But if any nation does not listen, I will completely uproot and destroy it," declares the LORD. I don't follow, you claim jesus fulfilled these prophecies or not? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73776996 United States02/18/2017 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So now we know what angle you are coming from. You don't say the name of God. Thanks for showing your hand finally. No further comment is needed. . It's that same old Israel guy that got banned in the past for his incessant yeshiva bullshit. Nods. A sneaky way of arguing the beliefs of an entire nation, rather than just his own. . |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70598998  Netherlands02/18/2017 04:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Docile animals: Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. knowledge of G-d by everyone: Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. worldwide peace: Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Obviously, jesus didn't fullfill any messianic prophecy. Pets, zoo's. In the nations of the Lord Worldwide gospel and bible in all the nations Nations that do not know the Lord But if any nation does not listen, I will completely uproot and destroy it," declares the LORD. I don't follow, you claim jesus fulfilled these prophecies or not? Yes, Jesus is alive and sitting at the right hand of God If this was not true. And things arent as i just explained (for isaiah 11) than that would make the entire scripture powerless. And you would call God lazy or non existant toward his promises. Yet from my perspective scripture is perfectly fullfilling and has always Even for Israel |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73074586 Germany02/18/2017 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73074586 Docile animals: Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. knowledge of G-d by everyone: Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. worldwide peace: Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. Obviously, jesus didn't fullfill any messianic prophecy. Pets, zoo's. In the nations of the Lord Worldwide gospel and bible in all the nations Nations that do not know the Lord But if any nation does not listen, I will completely uproot and destroy it," declares the LORD. I don't follow, you claim jesus fulfilled these prophecies or not? Yes, Jesus is alive and sitting at the right hand of God If this was not true. And things arent as i just explained (for isaiah 11) than that would make the entire scripture powerless. And you would call God lazy or non existant toward his promises. Yet from my perspective scripture is perfectly fullfilling and has always Even for Israel Do you docile animals? Everyone you know believes in G-d? There is worldwide peace? No. Those things have to happen when the Messiah comes, jesus failed, sorry. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70598998 Netherlands02/18/2017 04:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Chivas589 Pets, zoo's. In the nations of the Lord Worldwide gospel and bible in all the nations Nations that do not know the Lord But if any nation does not listen, I will completely uproot and destroy it," declares the LORD. I don't follow, you claim jesus fulfilled these prophecies or not? Yes, Jesus is alive and sitting at the right hand of God If this was not true. And things arent as i just explained (for isaiah 11) than that would make the entire scripture powerless. And you would call God lazy or non existant toward his promises. Yet from my perspective scripture is perfectly fullfilling and has always Even for Israel Do you docile animals? Everyone you know believes in G-d? There is worldwide peace? No. Those things have to happen when the Messiah comes, jesus failed, sorry. Lets agree to disagree |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73074586 Germany02/18/2017 04:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73074586 I don't follow, you claim jesus fulfilled these prophecies or not? Yes, Jesus is alive and sitting at the right hand of God If this was not true. And things arent as i just explained (for isaiah 11) than that would make the entire scripture powerless. And you would call God lazy or non existant toward his promises. Yet from my perspective scripture is perfectly fullfilling and has always Even for Israel Do you docile animals? Everyone you know believes in G-d? There is worldwide peace? No. Those things have to happen when the Messiah comes, jesus failed, sorry. Lets agree to disagree Disagree on what? That those things have to happen when the messiah comes? Then Isaiah 11 is not a messianic prophecy to you at all. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70598998 Netherlands02/18/2017 04:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Disagree on what? That those things have to happen when the messiah comes? Then Isaiah 11 is not a messianic prophecy to you at all. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73074586 Jesus is the Christ Bless the LORD, all his works in all places of his dominion: bless the LORD, O my soul. You dont agree to disagree that's fine. Obviously that's your problem not mine. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74084024 United Kingdom02/18/2017 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | knowledge of G-d: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73074586 Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. They don't. It is. So you obviously are not understanding what is his holy mountain and earth .... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74084024 United Kingdom02/18/2017 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Chivas589 Pets, zoo's. In the nations of the Lord Worldwide gospel and bible in all the nations Nations that do not know the Lord But if any nation does not listen, I will completely uproot and destroy it," declares the LORD. I don't follow, you claim jesus fulfilled these prophecies or not? Yes, Jesus is alive and sitting at the right hand of God If this was not true. And things arent as i just explained (for isaiah 11) than that would make the entire scripture powerless. And you would call God lazy or non existant toward his promises. Yet from my perspective scripture is perfectly fullfilling and has always Even for Israel Do you docile animals? Everyone you know believes in G-d? There is worldwide peace? No. Those things have to happen when the Messiah comes, jesus failed, sorry. It is written in the law do not muzzle an ox whilst it treads out the grain. Tell us please, is He concerned about oxen? The answer is no. Therefore why must you cling to YOUR UNDERSTANDING when it prevents you from accepting GOD GIVEN UNDERSTANDING .? |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 73074586 Germany02/18/2017 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Disagree on what? That those things have to happen when the messiah comes? Then Isaiah 11 is not a messianic prophecy to you at all. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73074586 Jesus is the Christ Bless the LORD, all his works in all places of his dominion: bless the LORD, O my soul. You dont agree to disagree that's fine. Obviously that's your problem not mine. You just believe it besides being proven wrong by Isaiah, I agree that you believe no matter what. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 70598998 Netherlands02/18/2017 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Disagree on what? That those things have to happen when the messiah comes? Then Isaiah 11 is not a messianic prophecy to you at all. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73074586 Jesus is the Christ Bless the LORD, all his works in all places of his dominion: bless the LORD, O my soul. You dont agree to disagree that's fine. Obviously that's your problem not mine. You just believe it besides being proven wrong by Isaiah, I agree that you believe no matter what. Well God bless you man |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73268513  Australia02/18/2017 04:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Further, while speaking in Ramus, Illinois, on April 2, 1843, Joseph said: "I prophesy, in the name of the Lord God, that the commencement of the difficulties which will cause much bloodshed previous to the coming of the Son of Man will be in South Carolina. It may probably arise through the slave question. This a voice declared to me, while I was praying earnestly on the subject, December 25th, 1832." (See Doctrine and Covenants 130:12-13.) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74085411 [link to www.jefflindsay.com] Impressive. Whose voice was heard is not known, but it very well could of been Jesus Himself.  |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72627939 Germany02/18/2017 06:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73074586 I don't follow, you claim jesus fulfilled these prophecies or not? Yes, Jesus is alive and sitting at the right hand of God If this was not true. And things arent as i just explained (for isaiah 11) than that would make the entire scripture powerless. And you would call God lazy or non existant toward his promises. Yet from my perspective scripture is perfectly fullfilling and has always Even for Israel Do you docile animals? Everyone you know believes in G-d? There is worldwide peace? No. Those things have to happen when the Messiah comes, jesus failed, sorry. It is written in the law do not muzzle an ox whilst it treads out the grain. Tell us please, is He concerned about oxen? The answer is no. Therefore why must you cling to YOUR UNDERSTANDING when it prevents you from accepting GOD GIVEN UNDERSTANDING .? Yes, G-d is concerned with animals. The OT says you have to treat them well. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35802147 United States02/18/2017 06:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What exactly are you trying to do here OP? Are you trying to give reasons why people shouldnt believe in Jesus? Are you hoping people will give you a reason to start? Peoples relationship with Jesus is personal. It's a shame you don't have one but that is your decision and yours alone. You can reject Him all you like, the only person you are hurting is yourself because Jesus doesn't actually need your faith. Many people think hell is gonna be some big party in the afterlife but what they don't understand is there are no do overs, no get out of jail free cards, there will be nothing you can do to change your eternity once you are dead. And if you don't believe in Heaven and hell, then do you also feel that you don't have a soul? What is the point of having a soul if there is nothing after you die? You will eventually realize you are wrong and I hope it's here on Earth, because there will still be time to change your views. I know Im going to Heaven when I die and I hope to see you there. Until then, I will pray that maybe a seed as been planted with this thread, not just for you but anyone that doesn't believe in Christ. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72627939 Germany02/18/2017 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What exactly are you trying to do here OP? Are you trying to give reasons why people shouldnt believe in Jesus? Are you hoping people will give you a reason to start? Peoples relationship with Jesus is personal. It's a shame you don't have one but that is your decision and yours alone. You can reject Him all you like, the only person you are hurting is yourself because Jesus doesn't actually need your faith. Many people think hell is gonna be some big party in the afterlife but what they don't understand is there are no do overs, no get out of jail free cards, there will be nothing you can do to change your eternity once you are dead. And if you don't believe in Heaven and hell, then do you also feel that you don't have a soul? What is the point of having a soul if there is nothing after you die? You will eventually realize you are wrong and I hope it's here on Earth, because there will still be time to change your views. I know Im going to Heaven when I die and I hope to see you there. Until then, I will pray that maybe a seed as been planted with this thread, not just for you but anyone that doesn't believe in Christ. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35802147 I'm trying nothing. Someone posted in the first page: "Jesus fulfilled prophecy over and over again" Then the thread started rolling. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 73595371 United States02/18/2017 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I decided to be honest to myself and look up ALL prophecies that christianity says is about him. After a deep study of not only english bibles, but taking in consideration the orignal hebrew and koine greek, I realized that such jesus never fulfilled a single prophecy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73074586 Then, I started debating other people and they failed over and over again to provide 1 concrete argument in favor of jesus. My advice is, always be honest to yourself when researching religion. how can you reject someone you never accepted? |
| TheLordsServant User ID: 74116307 United States02/19/2017 09:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not everyone believes in God ....not everyone will be saved either ....good luck OP but I wish you could consider that you are made in Gods image and to reject him is to reject yourself ....making you a rejected soul . Quoting: Carolina dreamin I "believe" in the G-d of Israel, the facts turned me to him. The same facts disproves jesus, he was just a belief. Sorry...but the things that you consider "facts" are, in reality, just conclusions based on assumptions and a specific point of view...ie...that Jesus was NOT the Messiah. Whether God has mercy on you folks for not believing in Jesus won't be known until the Judgement. For your soul's sake, I pray He somehow does. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 71480530 United States02/19/2017 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73074586 Don't start with "Here is one you can't refute" without even explaining why it's jesus I'll answer since you were the only one who posted a prophecy. It understandable when you read verse 16 "they pierced my hands and my feet" you think it's jesus. However, that's not a correct translation, it actually reads: "For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evildoers have enclosed me; like a lion, they are at my hands and my feet." Thats pathetic.you say,After a deep study of not only english bibles, but taking in consideration the orignal hebrew and koine greek...you clown you find whatever fake version suits you and go with it like its real,like your the decider of what version is best, or what version suits you best, your a waste of time Hello name caller, how are you doing? You missed the explanation I gave to the poster and he didn't get back to me yet, quoting myself from this very same page of this thread: "The word kaari (hebrew for like a lion) can be found in many other places in the OT and translated to “like a lion” in all places in christian bibles where this word appears with the exception of Psalm 22. Obviously, they did it on purpose." Original poster of the messianic prophecy in Psalms. Would have refuted yesterday but somehow got banned. Typical. You could have an argument if it were not for the Dead Sea Scrolls (the oldest translation known) uses the word for "pierced". Furthermore, the oldest translations also used the "pierced". The words are phonetically similar and the only one that makes any sense is "pierced". |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 74119619 Netherlands02/19/2017 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I decided to be honest to myself and look up ALL prophecies that christianity says is about him. After a deep study of not only english bibles, but taking in consideration the orignal hebrew and koine greek, I realized that such jesus never fulfilled a single prophecy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73074586 Then, I started debating other people and they failed over and over again to provide 1 concrete argument in favor of jesus. My advice is, always be honest to yourself when researching religion. Jesus never knew you. |
