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Antarctic Temperatures Disagree With Climate Model Predictions

 
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Antarctic Temperatures Disagree With Climate Model Predictions
A new report on climate over the world's southernmost continent shows that temperatures during the late 20th century did not climb as had been predicted by many global climate models. This comes soon after the latest report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that strongly supports the conclusion that the Earth's climate as a whole is warming, largely due to human activity.

It also follows a similar finding from last summer by the same research group that showed no increase in precipitation over Antarctica in the last 50 years. Most models predict that both precipitation and temperature will increase over Antarctica with a warming of the planet.

David Bromwich, professor of professor of atmospheric sciences in the Department of Geography, and researcher with the Byrd Polar Research Center at Ohio State University, reported on this work at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science at San Francisco.

"It's hard to see a global warming signal from the mainland of Antarctica right now," he said. "Part of the reason is that there is a lot of variability there. It's very hard in these polar latitudes to demonstrate a global warming signal. This is in marked contrast to the northern tip of the Antarctic Peninsula that is one of the most rapidly warming parts of the Earth."

Bromwich says that the problem rises from several complications. The continent is vast, as large as the United States and Mexico combined. Only a small amount of detailed data is available - there are perhaps only 100 weather stations on that continent compared to the thousands spread across the U.S. and Europe . And the records that we have only date back a half-century.

"The best we can say right now is that the climate models are somewhat inconsistent with the evidence that we have for the last 50 years from continental Antarctica .

"We're looking for a small signal that represents the impact of human activity and it is hard to find it at the moment," he said.

Last year, Bromwich's research group reported in the journal Science that Antarctic snowfall hadn't increased in the last 50 years. "What we see now is that the temperature regime is broadly similar to what we saw before with snowfall. In the last decade or so, both have gone down," he said.

In addition to the new temperature records and earlier precipitation records, Bromwich's team also looked at the behavior of the circumpolar westerlies, the broad system of winds that surround the Antarctic continent.

"The westerlies have intensified over the last four decades of so, increasing in strength by as much as perhaps 10 to 20 percent," he said. "This is a huge amount of ocean north of Antarctica and we're only now understanding just how important the winds are for things like mixing in the Southern Ocean." The ocean mixing both dissipates heat and absorbs carbon dioxide, one of the key greenhouse gases linked to global warming.

Some researchers are suggesting that the strengthening of the westerlies may be playing a role in the collapse of ice shelves along the Antarctic Peninsula.

"The peninsula is the most northern point of Antarctica and it sticks out into the westerlies," Bromwich says. "If there is an increase in the westerly winds, it will have a warming impact on that part of the continent, thus helping to break up the ice shelves, he said.

"Farther south, the impact would be modest, or even non-existent."

Bromwich said that the increase in the ozone hole above the central Antarctic continent may also be affecting temperatures on the mainland. "If you have less ozone, there's less absorption of the ultraviolet light and the stratosphere doesn't warm as much."

That would mean that winter-like conditions would remain later in the spring than normal, lowering temperatures.

"In some sense, we might have competing effects going on in Antarctica where there is low-level CO2 warming but that may be swamped by the effects of ozone depletion," he said. "The year 2006 was the all-time maximum for ozone depletion over the Antarctic."

Bromwich said the disagreement between climate model predictions and the snowfall and temperature records doesn't necessarily mean that the models are wrong.

"It isn't surprising that these models are not doing as well in these remote parts of the world. These are global models and shouldn't be expected to be equally exact for all locations," he said.

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This is interesting, but still does not get us off the hook as far as carbon emmissions and such.

The best guess is that we DO have solid global warming, so we need to act on this.

To do otherwise right now, is imperitive. To wait, if it IS happening, is suicidal.
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It's still true: "Climate's what you expect. Weather's what you get." - Mark Twain

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Global Warming?

three words

Etheric weather engineering.
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It doesn't matter: human induced or climatic cycle, you're STILL GOING TO DIE.

MORONS.
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I don't think it really means death for most people.

Things are going to get interesting, sure, and if we don't start working to make changes NOW things will get harder before long...

But some of the changes needed are simply things that need to change anyway! We all need to get away from using oil for power.

Right now it is a messy, politically charged power source that is in control of people that really don't like us. This is NOT a good place to be!

Even IF nothing is going to change(and I think that we have far more info that things are getting warmer rather than not just now...) these are good enough reasons to break away from these fuel sources ASAP.

Getting polution out of the air in general is just common sense, even if it is only to cut the high rate of Asthma.

But doomed?

Not likely!

We are survivors faced with a survivable situation, not a world ending problem...Unless the phytoplankton go of course, then our problems are far more dire...

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The glaciers in India apparently are not melting away either.

[link to www.hindustantimes.com]

Experts question theory on global warming

Anil Anand

New Delhi, February 11, 2007


Believe it or not. There are only about a dozen scientists working on 9,575 glaciers in India under the aegis of the Geological Society of India. Is the available data enough to believe that the glaciers are retreating due to global warming?

Some experts have questioned the alarmists theory on global warming leading to shrinkage of Himalayan glaciers. VK Raina, a leading glaciologist and former ADG of GSI is one among them.

He feels that the research on Indian glaciers is negligible. Nothing but the remote sensing data forms the basis of these alarmists observations and not on the spot research.

Raina told the Hindustan Times that out of 9,575 glaciers in India, till date, research has been conducted only on about 50. Nearly 200 years data has shown that nothing abnormal has occurred in any of these glaciers.

It is simple. The issue of glacial retreat is being sensationalised by a few individuals, the septuagenarian Raina claimed. Throwing a gauntlet to the alarmist, he said the issue should be debated threadbare before drawing a conclusion.

However, Dr RK Pachouri, Chairman, Inter-Governmental Panel of Climatic Change said it’s recently released fourth assessment report has recorded increased glacier retreat since the 1980s.

This he said was due to the fact that the carbon dioxide radioactive forcing has increased by 20 per cent particularly after 1995. And also that 11 of the last 12 years were among the warmest 12 years recorded so far.

Surprisingly, Raina, who has been associated with the research and data collection in over 25 glaciers in India and abroad, debunked the theory that Gangotri glacier is retreating alarmingly.

Maintaining that the glaciers are undergoing natural changes, witnessed periodically, he said recent studies in the Gangotri and Zanskar areas (Drung- Drung, Kagriz glaciers) have not shown any evidence of major retreat.

"Claims of global warming causing glacial melt in the Himalayas are based on wrong assumptions," Raina, a trained mountaineer and skiing expert said. He rued that not much is being done by the Government to create a bank of trained geologists for an in-depth study of glaciers.

The agencies such as the GSI are not getting fresh talent simply because of the measly salaries offered by the Government.

Consider this. During one of his visits to Antarctic, to his utter dismay, Raina discovered that the cook of a Japanese team was getting a bigger pay packet than him.

If he is to be believed, currently only about a dozen scientists are working on Indian glaciers. More alarming is the fact that some of them are above 50. How can one talk about the state of glaciers when not much research is being done on the ground, he wondered.

In fact, it is difficult to ascertain the exact state of Himalayan glaciers as these are very dusty as compared to the ones in Alaska and the Alps. The present presumptions are based on the cosmatic study of the glacier surfaces.

Nobody knows what is happening beneath the glaciers. What ever is being flaunted about the under surface activity of the glaciers, is merely presumptions, he claimed.

His views were echoed by Dr RK Ganjoo, Director, Regional Centre for Field Operations and Research on Himalayan Glaciology, who is supervising study of glaciers in Ladakh region including one in the Siachen area. He also maintained that nothing abnormal has been found in any of the Himalyan glaciers studied so far by him.

Still, he wondered on the Himalayan glaciers being compared with those in Alaska or Europe to lend credence to the melt theory. Indian glaciers are at 3,500-4,000 meter above the sea level whereas those in the Alps are at much lower levels. Certainly, the conditions under which the glaciers in Alaska are retreating, are not prevailing in the Indian sub-continent, he explained.

Another leading geologist MN Koul of Jammu University, who is actively engaged in studying glacier dynamics in J&K and Himachal holds similar views. Referring to his research on Kol glacier ( Paddar, J&K) and Naradu (HP), he said both the glaciers have not changed much in the past two decades.

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Best advice on this entire thread laugh

It doesn't matter: human induced or climatic cycle, you're STILL GOING TO DIE.

MORONS.
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I read that there was an 8% increase in the ice surrounding the antarctic. The shrinkage is mostly in the northern hemisphere.

I also read that 500 years ago Greenland was not under ice and all kinds of crops were grown there which is how it got the name Greenland.

Twenty or thirty years ago scientists were claiming we were entering the beginning of a new ice age. Now it is a global meltdown and we are all going to starve to death.

The planet changes from time to time. We are in such a period of change. No doubt we have accelerated that change in the northern hemisphere and it makes good sense to clean up the atmosphere - especially in Asia where the pollution is so bad that people have to walk around with face masks.

Considering the winter this country has had with crops freezing in California, two feet of snow or more in the east, high winds and deep cold in the midwest, and now freezing into Florida, I would say we could all use a little more global warming.
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Unless the phytoplankton go of course, then our problems are far more dire...:)
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Another canary in the coal mine, or just another natural phenom of rare occurrence?

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

The delicate interplay between the oceans and atmosphere is changing with catastrophic consequences.

Entire marine ecosystems have been wiped out, devastating populations of sea birds and larger marine mammals.

These "dead zones" occur where there are disturbances to the nutrient-rich ocean currents, which are driven by coastal winds.

Extreme marine suffocations have occurred off the west coast of the US every year for the last five years.

The most intense event, which left the ocean floor littered with the carcasses of crabs, happened in 2006.

Climate models predict increasing uncertainty with wild fluctuations. We should expect more surprises - Dr Jane Lubchenco, OSU

It was unlike anything that we've measured along the Oregon coast in the past five decades," said Dr Francis Chan, of Oregon State University (OSU).

Other coastal countries including Chile, Namibia and South Africa have also been affected.

Plant bloom

The common factor between all of the areas is that marine currents off the coast rise from the deep ocean.

These upwelling zones bring nutrient-rich water up from the deep, triggering plankton blooms that underpin the coastal food chain. Nearly 50% of the world's fisheries are in these areas.

The currents are driven by winds that move surface water away from the coast, drawing more up from the deep.

But now, observations along the west coast of the US suggest that the upwelling is being disrupted, changing its timing and intensity.

For example, in 2005 the upwelling was delayed which meant that the plankton blooms did not occur, leading to a collapse in fish populations.

This particularly hit migrating salmon, which pass along the coast in April and May every year.

"In 2005 they found nothing to eat," said Dr Bill Peterson of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (Noaa). "By the time upwelling started, they were dead."

Huge graveyard

An even more catastrophic event occurred in 2006 when the amount of upwelling doubled, leading to a huge influx of nutrients and a supercharged plankton bloom.

When these sank to the ocean floor they stripped the water column of oxygen, creating a 3,000 sq km (1,150 sq miles) dead zone, where creatures unable to swim away suffocated en masse.

Changes could be long lasting

Dr Francis Chan used underwater cameras to survey the area two months after the event.

"We were shocked to see a graveyard," he said. "Frame after frame of carcass, carcass, carcass."

Crabs, worms and sea stars all perished in the anoxic water.

The event was so severe that the researchers fear that marine life cannot return to the area.

"In previous years, fish that have escaped the low-oxygen area appear to have returned once the oxygen was renewed," said Dr Jane Lubchenco, also of OSU.

"This year may be different, however, because unlike earlier years, the living habitat was also suffocated."

Uncertain future

The researchers believe the cause of these events was changes in the intensity of the coastal winds, perhaps brought about by global warming.

"What we know from the climate change models is that the land will warm more than the sea," colleague Jack Barth told the BBC News website.

It is this difference in temperature and pressure that drives the winds.

Scientists used underwater cameras

"As you intensify that gradient - that will drive the stronger winds."

To confirm this link to climate change, the researchers say they need another 10 to 15 years of data.

In the meantime, they say, we must change our approach to managing and using these ecosystems, particularly for fish stocks.

"The most prudent course of action is to begin to think differently about what is happening," said Dr Lubchenco.

"Climate models predict increasing uncertainty with wild fluctuations. We should expect more surprises."

The research was presented at the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) annual meeting in San Francisco, US.
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It's a mis-nomer to call it Global Warming. It should be called Earth Changes. It will become warm where it was cold and cold where it was warm.

A block of ice doesn't melt all at once. At first it is slow. But as it begins to melt, the melting accelerates. The more it melts, the faster the melting becomes. The melting at the poles are at that point of the curve where it is alamingly apparent.

It was in the 7o's in December in the Northeast, wish I went back to visit the family in New York for Christmas. But now, they recieved record snowfalls.

Weather models are great, but not 100%. There is always a fudge factor. Some fudge is thicker than others. So, you can always fudge data. N'est Pas?





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