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Are the dead spying down on us from heaven or is that just a 'pass the plate' fairytale like angels playing harps?

 
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So yes or no; can grandma and grandpa see me fapping to porn?
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"8 I, even I, have said in my heart with regard to the sons of mankind that the [true] God is going to select them, that they may see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust. 21 Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth? 22 And I have seen that there is nothing better than that the man should rejoice in his works, for that is his portion; because who will bring him in to look on what is going to be after him?" Ecc3:18
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It seems you have made up your mind. But to the truth-seekers --The saints are closest to the Lord; their job is to pray for us still here on earth. They are not omnipresent or omniscient; only God is that. But A saint's day of death is celebrated, for that is when he meets God. Is anything impossible for God?

If you don't believe in a soul, then of course you won't understand. How could you. Perhaps you don't want to. Ask God for his guidance. Because, what if it is true?

In 1 Peter 3:19, the apostle tells his audience how Jesus "preached to the spirits in prison." If the dead were aware of nothing, then his preaching would have been futile. In the OT, the prophet Isaiah speaks of the condition of the dead, "Sheol underneath has become agitated at you in order to meet you on coming in . . . all of them speak up and say. . . . Those seeing you will gaze even at you, saying . . . " (Is. 14:9-11). These verses indicate clearly that the dead are conscious, and the NT tells the same story. To be absent from the body is not to be unconscious, but rather it enables one to be home with the Lord, according to Paul (2 Cor. 5:8, Phil. 1:23). The body is just a tent, or tabernacle that does not last (2 Cor. 5:1-4; 2 Pet. 1:13), while man cannot kill the soul (Matt. 10:28). In fact, the souls live past the death of the bodies, since John "saw . . . the souls of those slaughtered . . . and they cried with a loud voice, saying . . . and they were told . . . " (Rev. 6:9-11). Because the soul does not die with the flesh, those in heaven are able to offer our prayers to God (Rev. 5:8), and live in happiness (Rev. 14:13).
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They're "backstage" working on scripts and costumes.

But they definitely keep track so be nice!
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It seems you have made up your mind. But to the truth-seekers --The saints are closest to the Lord; their job is to pray for us still here on earth. They are not omnipresent or omniscient; only God is that. But A saint's day of death is celebrated, for that is when he meets God. Is anything impossible for God?

If you don't believe in a soul, then of course you won't understand. How could you. Perhaps you don't want to. Ask God for his guidance. Because, what if it is true?

In 1 Peter 3:19, the apostle tells his audience how Jesus "preached to the spirits in prison." If the dead were aware of nothing, then his preaching would have been futile. In the OT, the prophet Isaiah speaks of the condition of the dead, "Sheol underneath has become agitated at you in order to meet you on coming in . . . all of them speak up and say. . . . Those seeing you will gaze even at you, saying . . . " (Is. 14:9-11). These verses indicate clearly that the dead are conscious, and the NT tells the same story. To be absent from the body is not to be unconscious, but rather it enables one to be home with the Lord, according to Paul (2 Cor. 5:8, Phil. 1:23). The body is just a tent, or tabernacle that does not last (2 Cor. 5:1-4; 2 Pet. 1:13), while man cannot kill the soul (Matt. 10:28). In fact, the souls live past the death of the bodies, since John "saw . . . the souls of those slaughtered . . . and they cried with a loud voice, saying . . . and they were told . . . " (Rev. 6:9-11). Because the soul does not die with the flesh, those in heaven are able to offer our prayers to God (Rev. 5:8), and live in happiness (Rev. 14:13).
 Quoting: Sophia 72684161

I don't have the attention span to read past one paragraph but who is this?
"he preached to the spirits in prison."
The dead? Hardly.
"Why, even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous [person] for unrighteous ones, that he might lead YOU to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit. 19 In this [state] also he went his way and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had once been disobedient when the patience of God was waiting in Noah’s days, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water." 1Pe3:18
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Can I wish for what will happen when I die, like you?
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Can I wish for what will happen when I die, like you?
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No,
"I, even I, have said in my heart with regard to the sons of mankind that the [true] God is going to select them, that they may see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust. 21 Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth? 22 And I have seen that there is nothing better than that the man should rejoice in his works, for that is his portion; because who will bring him in to look on what is going to be after him?" Ecc3:18

But you wish for wonderful things if you're resurrected;
"And they will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat [their] fruitage. 22 They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating. For like the days of a tree will the days of my people be; and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full. 23 They will not toil for nothing, nor will they bring to birth for disturbance; because they are the offspring made up of the blessed ones of Jehovah, and their descendants with them. 24 And it will actually occur that before they call out I myself shall answer; while they are yet speaking, I myself shall hear.
25 “The wolf and the lamb themselves will feed as one, and the lion will eat straw just like the bull;" Isa65:21
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Can I wish for what will happen when I die, like you?
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No,
"I, even I, have said in my heart with regard to the sons of mankind that the [true] God is going to select them, that they may see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust. 21 Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth? 22 And I have seen that there is nothing better than that the man should rejoice in his works, for that is his portion; because who will bring him in to look on what is going to be after him?" Ecc3:18

But you wish for wonderful things if you're resurrected;
"And they will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat [their] fruitage. 22 They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating. For like the days of a tree will the days of my people be; and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full. 23 They will not toil for nothing, nor will they bring to birth for disturbance; because they are the offspring made up of the blessed ones of Jehovah, and their descendants with them. 24 And it will actually occur that before they call out I myself shall answer; while they are yet speaking, I myself shall hear.
25 “The wolf and the lamb themselves will feed as one, and the lion will eat straw just like the bull;" Isa65:21
 Quoting: DGN


I appreciate the effort but like I told you before I don’t read bible quotes. I have a hard copy handy and the internet to find any passage if I need.
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Can I wish for what will happen when I die, like you?
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No,
"I, even I, have said in my heart with regard to the sons of mankind that the [true] God is going to select them, that they may see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust. 21 Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth? 22 And I have seen that there is nothing better than that the man should rejoice in his works, for that is his portion; because who will bring him in to look on what is going to be after him?" Ecc3:18

But you wish for wonderful things if you're resurrected;
"And they will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat [their] fruitage. 22 They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating. For like the days of a tree will the days of my people be; and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full. 23 They will not toil for nothing, nor will they bring to birth for disturbance; because they are the offspring made up of the blessed ones of Jehovah, and their descendants with them. 24 And it will actually occur that before they call out I myself shall answer; while they are yet speaking, I myself shall hear.
25 “The wolf and the lamb themselves will feed as one, and the lion will eat straw just like the bull;" Isa65:21
 Quoting: DGN


I appreciate the effort but like I told you before I don’t read bible quotes. I have a hard copy handy and the internet to find any passage if I need.
 Quoting: strgzr


Ok I wouldn't read all that either, one paragraph max, broke my own rule and knew it. Good one calling me on it, pretty much knew it was coming.
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They mostly watch you in the shower during your special personal time and that goes on your eternal record when they catch you. Afterall, they are multi-dimensional cops just trying to make their quota.
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Can I wish for what will happen when I die, like you?
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No,
"I, even I, have said in my heart with regard to the sons of mankind that the [true] God is going to select them, that they may see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust. 21 Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth? 22 And I have seen that there is nothing better than that the man should rejoice in his works, for that is his portion; because who will bring him in to look on what is going to be after him?" Ecc3:18

But you wish for wonderful things if you're resurrected;
"And they will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat [their] fruitage. 22 They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating. For like the days of a tree will the days of my people be; and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full. 23 They will not toil for nothing, nor will they bring to birth for disturbance; because they are the offspring made up of the blessed ones of Jehovah, and their descendants with them. 24 And it will actually occur that before they call out I myself shall answer; while they are yet speaking, I myself shall hear.
25 “The wolf and the lamb themselves will feed as one, and the lion will eat straw just like the bull;" Isa65:21
 Quoting: DGN


I appreciate the effort but like I told you before I don’t read bible quotes. I have a hard copy handy and the internet to find any passage if I need.
 Quoting: strgzr


Ok I wouldn't read all that either, one paragraph max, broke my own rule and knew it. Good one calling me on it, pretty much knew it was coming.
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Damn you to hell!
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They mostly watch you in the shower during your special personal time and that goes on your eternal record when they catch you. Afterall, they are multi-dimensional cops just trying to make their quota.
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No,
"I, even I, have said in my heart with regard to the sons of mankind that the [true] God is going to select them, that they may see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust. 21 Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth? 22 And I have seen that there is nothing better than that the man should rejoice in his works, for that is his portion; because who will bring him in to look on what is going to be after him?" Ecc3:18

But you wish for wonderful things if you're resurrected;
"And they will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat [their] fruitage. 22 They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating. For like the days of a tree will the days of my people be; and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full. 23 They will not toil for nothing, nor will they bring to birth for disturbance; because they are the offspring made up of the blessed ones of Jehovah, and their descendants with them. 24 And it will actually occur that before they call out I myself shall answer; while they are yet speaking, I myself shall hear.
25 “The wolf and the lamb themselves will feed as one, and the lion will eat straw just like the bull;" Isa65:21
 Quoting: DGN


I appreciate the effort but like I told you before I don’t read bible quotes. I have a hard copy handy and the internet to find any passage if I need.
 Quoting: strgzr


Ok I wouldn't read all that either, one paragraph max, broke my own rule and knew it. Good one calling me on it, pretty much knew it was coming.
wall
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Damn you to hell!
 Quoting: strgzr


Sorry. A bit of my baptist leaking out.
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They mostly watch you in the shower during your special personal time and that goes on your eternal record when they catch you. Afterall, they are multi-dimensional cops just trying to make their quota.
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What do you think about the pedophilia problem in the world?
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I appreciate the effort but like I told you before I don’t read bible quotes. I have a hard copy handy and the internet to find any passage if I need.
 Quoting: strgzr


Ok I wouldn't read all that either, one paragraph max, broke my own rule and knew it. Good one calling me on it, pretty much knew it was coming.
wall
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Damn you to hell!
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Sorry. A bit of my baptist leaking out.
 Quoting: strgzr


Ok WHEWWWW.....hoping I don't get what I deserve ya know
hiding
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Ok I wouldn't read all that either, one paragraph max, broke my own rule and knew it. Good one calling me on it, pretty much knew it was coming.
wall
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Damn you to hell!
 Quoting: strgzr


Sorry. A bit of my baptist leaking out.
 Quoting: strgzr


Ok WHEWWWW.....hoping I don't get what I deserve ya know
hiding
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Funny :)
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I've seen people who died who were in heaven.Didn't know them personally though.Also seen people who were still alive in heaven.It's weird but I think it might be their spirit.I can't explain it but my experience has me thinking that we are connected in the spirit somehow.
Jesus said that the spirit world is more real then what we live in right now.
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Nothing is impossible. I've had similar experiences, although they were random. Our Fathers' House has many mansions, and I hope everyone gets a chance to glimpse from the yard...
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I've seen people who died who were in heaven.Didn't know them personally though.Also seen people who were still alive in heaven.It's weird but I think it might be their spirit.I can't explain it but my experience has me thinking that we are connected in the spirit somehow.
Jesus said that the spirit world is more real then what we live in right now.
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Nothing is impossible. I've had similar experiences, although they were random. Our Fathers' House has many mansions, and I hope everyone gets a chance to glimpse from the yard...
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The many mansions are not for the dead, but for those chosen to be transformed into spirit creatures and serve as assistant kings in heaven with Jesus in the first resurrection.
"And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years." Rv20
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Can I wish for what will happen when I die, like you?
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No,
"I, even I, have said in my heart with regard to the sons of mankind that the [true] God is going to select them, that they may see that they themselves are beasts. 19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity. 20 All are going to one place. They have all come to be from the dust, and they are all returning to the dust. 21 Who is there knowing the spirit of the sons of mankind, whether it is ascending upward; and the spirit of the beast, whether it is descending downward to the earth? 22 And I have seen that there is nothing better than that the man should rejoice in his works, for that is his portion; because who will bring him in to look on what is going to be after him?" Ecc3:18

But you wish for wonderful things if you're resurrected;
"And they will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat [their] fruitage. 22 They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating. For like the days of a tree will the days of my people be; and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full. 23 They will not toil for nothing, nor will they bring to birth for disturbance; because they are the offspring made up of the blessed ones of Jehovah, and their descendants with them. 24 And it will actually occur that before they call out I myself shall answer; while they are yet speaking, I myself shall hear.
25 “The wolf and the lamb themselves will feed as one, and the lion will eat straw just like the bull;" Isa65:21
 Quoting: DGN


I appreciate the effort but like I told you before I don’t read bible quotes. I have a hard copy handy and the internet to find any passage if I need.
 Quoting: strgzr


So how do follow the discussion then?
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Who the hell would want to spend eternity spying on family members living their boring lives?!

That sounds like hell to me, a sort of limbo for tormented souls that can't let go.

If there is an afterlife, then dead people would almost certainly more on to other and greater things... Not would on family!

In Heaven people are in the presence of God, not stuck back on earth!
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Who the hell would want to spend eternity spying on family members living their boring lives?!

That sounds like hell to me, a sort of limbo for tormented souls that can't let go.

If there is an afterlife, then dead people would almost certainly more on to other and greater things... Not would on family!

In Heaven people are in the presence of God, not stuck back on earth!
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Yep.
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They can see us but we live in murk and in their frequency
range they cannot see into it clearly, as we think we see
each other.

They are busy learning and teaching. Some in paradise, some in prison.

One thing that is different there are the crowns. Everyone
has a crown delineating their tribe, and level of progression. Also name, but in symbol, not letters as we
know them.

They are white and resemble ivory but are made of something
else.
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The (mine anyways) crown is made of moving blue white fire. I saw no symbols. I am wearing a high neck uniform and badge for lack of a better term...Looks just like the judge dread uniform complete with high stiff collar.
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OP,

Why are you asking and what are you hoping to gain from this thread?



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OP,

Why are you asking and what are you hoping to gain from this thread?
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Refuting the oldest trick in the book, the deception of immortality;
" Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it began to say to the woman: “Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from every tree of the garden?” 2 At this the woman said to the serpent: “Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. 3 But as for [eating] of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die.’” 4 At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die. 5 For God knows that in the very day of YOUR eating from it YOUR eyes are bound to be opened and YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad.” Ge3

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Re: Are the dead spying down on us from heaven or is that just a 'pass the plate' fairytale like angels playing harps?
Who does the bible identify as the secret supernatural forces to be?
Hint: PP2 of the article.
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Re: Are the dead spying down on us from heaven or is that just a 'pass the plate' fairytale like angels playing harps?
OP,

Why are you asking and what are you hoping to gain from this thread?
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Refuting the oldest trick in the book, the deception of immortality;
" Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it began to say to the woman: “Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from every tree of the garden?” 2 At this the woman said to the serpent: “Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. 3 But as for [eating] of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die.’” 4 At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die. 5 For God knows that in the very day of YOUR eating from it YOUR eyes are bound to be opened and YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad.” Ge3

devil6
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Have you wondered if maybe this plane of existence is a sort of death and the next phases are life?

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Re: Are the dead spying down on us from heaven or is that just a 'pass the plate' fairytale like angels playing harps?
Who does the bible identify as the secret supernatural forces to be?
Hint: PP2 of the article.
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And are you a jehovas witness?

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Re: Are the dead spying down on us from heaven or is that just a 'pass the plate' fairytale like angels playing harps?
OP,

Why are you asking and what are you hoping to gain from this thread?
 Quoting: Nameless the Deplorable


Refuting the oldest trick in the book, the deception of immortality;
" Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it began to say to the woman: “Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from every tree of the garden?” 2 At this the woman said to the serpent: “Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. 3 But as for [eating] of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die.’” 4 At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die. 5 For God knows that in the very day of YOUR eating from it YOUR eyes are bound to be opened and YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad.” Ge3

devil6
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Have you wondered if maybe this plane of existence is a sort of death and the next phases are life?

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 Quoting: Nameless the Deplorable


Yeah... still toying with that, can't verify one way or the other, then again who can?
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Re: Are the dead spying down on us from heaven or is that just a 'pass the plate' fairytale like angels playing harps?
Why would God bring the dead to heaven, is death a promotion to a better place?
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Of course! That's why it's often called our 'heavenly reward.'
Sure beats staying in the cold grave while the body is rotting away to dust.
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So what assignment do they receive?
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I don't know anything about assignments. That sort of sounds like a slave labor camp and not what heaven is.
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Serving as assistant king to Jesus is slave labor?


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