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Breaking: Homeland Security Chief indicates that Obama ordered wire taps and Trump has compelling evidence

 
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And as an average, working person from a quiet town in England. I can honestly say that this is all barking mad.
 Quoting: Epochalypse


I wonder why you would even care. Just curious why you would spend all day attacking our President.

Obama went on television to lie to us to get Obamacare passed. Did he really kill Bin Laden? Did he lie about why we are in Syria or why we dropped bombs on Libya? That is some very serious stuff.
 Quoting: TrueEarth


Because he won't really care about anyone's nationality when he nukes the world to hell, lol?

But seriously, it is America, my dearly beloved home for which I have served, who is one of the greatest dangers to the average human's happiness right now. That concerns everyone.

Hell, it was our own MILITARY that told him where to stuff his travel ban, because it was getting our guys KILLED, literally.

Trump is absolutely and totally out of his depth.
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And as an average, working person from a quiet town in England. I can honestly say that this is all barking mad.
 Quoting: Epochalypse


I wonder why you would even care. Just curious why you would spend all day attacking our President.

Obama went on television to lie to us to get Obamacare passed. Did he really kill Bin Laden? Did he lie about why we are in Syria or why we dropped bombs on Libya? That is some very serious stuff.
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All day? Really? Um nope. What's with the butbut syndrome? Can't excuse one wrong with another.

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So what if he did? It doesn't change anything.

This is just a distraction from real issues. Why does Trump let himself get bogged down in this crap?
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It's not the Pres. who is creating the distraction. The whole "It's the Russians!" false flag is the distraction, and it is keeping the Pres. from moving forward with the people's agenda. It MUST be put to rest, once and for all. So that's what he's doing.
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No he isn't. He's drawing more attention to it.

He opens his mouth before he has irrefutable evidence. He should get his proof and then present in a way that isn't going to make him look like he's just making wild accusations.

Obama's birth certificate? He sure backed down on that one.
Hillary? Why isn't she in prison like he promised?

He's full of shit.
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Who says he doesn't have irrefutable evidence? CNN?
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It's well know though that the Donald IS a petulant child and most people here would undoubtedly have no problem acknowledging that fact if the Donald hadn't just happened to have become THEIR candidate for President of The United States of America...
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It's well known that you do donkey shows in Mexico, asshole.
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It's well know though that the Donald IS a petulant child and most people here would undoubtedly have no problem acknowledging that fact if the Donald hadn't just happened to have become THEIR candidate for President of The United States of America...
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It's well known that you do donkey shows in Mexico, asshole.
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Well, that's telling him.
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So what if he did? It doesn't change anything.

This is just a distraction from real issues. Why does Trump let himself get bogged down in this crap?
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It's not the Pres. who is creating the distraction. The whole "It's the Russians!" false flag is the distraction, and it is keeping the Pres. from moving forward with the people's agenda. It MUST be put to rest, once and for all. So that's what he's doing.
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No he isn't. He's drawing more attention to it.

He opens his mouth before he has irrefutable evidence. He should get his proof and then present in a way that isn't going to make him look like he's just making wild accusations.

Obama's birth certificate? He sure backed down on that one.
Hillary? Why isn't she in prison like he promised?

He's full of shit.
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Who says he doesn't have irrefutable evidence? CNN?
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Lol, remember spicer last night? Yes of course...no. Trump has absolutely no evidence except what ag sessions told him. Which, in itself, is a criminal act.
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And as an average, working person from a quiet town in England. I can honestly say that this is all barking mad.
 Quoting: Epochalypse


I wonder why you would even care. Just curious why you would spend all day attacking our President.

Obama went on television to lie to us to get Obamacare passed. Did he really kill Bin Laden? Did he lie about why we are in Syria or why we dropped bombs on Libya? That is some very serious stuff.
 Quoting: TrueEarth


Because he won't really care about anyone's nationality when he nukes the world to hell, lol?

But seriously, it is America, my dearly beloved home for which I have served, who is one of the greatest dangers to the average human's happiness right now. That concerns everyone.

Hell, it was our own MILITARY that told him where to stuff his travel ban, because it was getting our guys KILLED, literally.

Trump is absolutely and totally out of his depth.
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Ok. Fair enough. But who was killed besides Ryan? I mean even that operation was planned months in advance and our operation was likely leaked to warn the bad guys.
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That OP was NOT planned months in advance.
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It's well know though that the Donald IS a petulant child and most people here would undoubtedly have no problem acknowledging that fact if the Donald hadn't just happened to have become THEIR candidate for President of The United States of America...
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No... most here would -NOT- agree with you.

So how much they paying out now - 10 cents per post?
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And as an average, working person from a quiet town in England. I can honestly say that this is all barking mad.
 Quoting: Epochalypse


I wonder why you would even care. Just curious why you would spend all day attacking our President.

Obama went on television to lie to us to get Obamacare passed. Did he really kill Bin Laden? Did he lie about why we are in Syria or why we dropped bombs on Libya? That is some very serious stuff.
 Quoting: TrueEarth


Because he won't really care about anyone's nationality when he nukes the world to hell, lol?

But seriously, it is America, my dearly beloved home for which I have served, who is one of the greatest dangers to the average human's happiness right now. That concerns everyone.

Hell, it was our own MILITARY that told him where to stuff his travel ban, because it was getting our guys KILLED, literally.

Trump is absolutely and totally out of his depth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73305107


Ok. Fair enough. But who was killed besides Ryan? I mean even that operation was planned months in advance and our operation was likely leaked to warn the bad guys.
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Trump tried to blame Obama for that too, before facts came out that Obama had said no to the op on security issues. All on him.
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That OP was NOT planned months in advance.
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That camp had been looked at as a potential OP site, and REJECTED over and over as not a good idea.

Trump (or more likely whichever embittered, outlier general wanted to get back at someone) greenlighted a stupid deadly ground strike and got people killed.

The odd thing is I'd JUST said to my husband that I bet the first thing Trump would do is try to go all Bush-in-a-flight suit and make a personal call to a Colonel, circumvent chain of command, and try to pull a renegade op.

Voila.

Jesus Christ what next.
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That OP was NOT planned months in advance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73305107


That camp had been looked at as a potential OP site, and REJECTED over and over as not a good idea.

Trump (or more likely whichever embittered, outlier general wanted to get back at someone) greenlighted a stupid deadly ground strike and got people killed.

The odd thing is I'd JUST said to my husband that I bet the first thing Trump would do is try to go all Bush-in-a-flight suit and make a personal call to a Colonel, circumvent chain of command, and try to pull a renegade op.

Voila.

Jesus Christ what next.
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This.
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That OP was NOT planned months in advance.
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I read that the OP was 4 months in the planning but Obama never gave the go ahead. They took it to Trump and he gave the go ahead. No?
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That OP was NOT planned months in advance.
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I read that the OP was 4 months in the planning but Obama never gave the go ahead. They took it to Trump and he gave the go ahead. No?
 Quoting: TrueEarth


Correct.
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That OP was NOT planned months in advance.
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I read that the OP was 4 months in the planning but Obama never gave the go ahead. They took it to Trump and he gave the go ahead. No?
 Quoting: TrueEarth


That is CYA to save face for both the military and Trump.

A "long-planned" raid that goes south doesn't sound as scandalous as, "Trump and a general personally ordered a sudden, ill-conceived raid in a country we don't operate it."
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That OP was NOT planned months in advance.
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That camp had been looked at as a potential OP site, and REJECTED over and over as not a good idea.

Trump (or more likely whichever embittered, outlier general wanted to get back at someone) greenlighted a stupid deadly ground strike and got people killed.

The odd thing is I'd JUST said to my husband that I bet the first thing Trump would do is try to go all Bush-in-a-flight suit and make a personal call to a Colonel, circumvent chain of command, and try to pull a renegade op.

Voila.

Jesus Christ what next.
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This.
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Ummm. Just wondering if eithrr or both of you voted for Hill.
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I don't think there is any question that Trump was wiretapped. I guess the only thing left is by whom and how long will they go to jail?
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That OP was NOT planned months in advance.
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That camp had been looked at as a potential OP site, and REJECTED over and over as not a good idea.

Trump (or more likely whichever embittered, outlier general wanted to get back at someone) greenlighted a stupid deadly ground strike and got people killed.

The odd thing is I'd JUST said to my husband that I bet the first thing Trump would do is try to go all Bush-in-a-flight suit and make a personal call to a Colonel, circumvent chain of command, and try to pull a renegade op.

Voila.

Jesus Christ what next.
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This.
 Quoting: Epochalypse


Ummm. Just wondering if either or both of you voted for Hill.
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Word was out that wikileaks would try to discredit the CIA weeks ago. Lol, you guys wanted drama...you have it in droves right here.
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That camp had been looked at as a potential OP site, and REJECTED over and over as not a good idea.

Trump (or more likely whichever embittered, outlier general wanted to get back at someone) greenlighted a stupid deadly ground strike and got people killed.

The odd thing is I'd JUST said to my husband that I bet the first thing Trump would do is try to go all Bush-in-a-flight suit and make a personal call to a Colonel, circumvent chain of command, and try to pull a renegade op.

Voila.

Jesus Christ what next.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73305107


This.
 Quoting: Epochalypse


Ummm. Just wondering if either or both of you voted for Hill.
 Quoting: TrueEarth

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I'm British sweetie, I voted brexit :)
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That OP was NOT planned months in advance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73305107


That camp had been looked at as a potential OP site, and REJECTED over and over as not a good idea.

Trump (or more likely whichever embittered, outlier general wanted to get back at someone) greenlighted a stupid deadly ground strike and got people killed.

The odd thing is I'd JUST said to my husband that I bet the first thing Trump would do is try to go all Bush-in-a-flight suit and make a personal call to a Colonel, circumvent chain of command, and try to pull a renegade op.

Voila.

Jesus Christ what next.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73305107


This.
 Quoting: Epochalypse


Ummm. Just wondering if eithrr or both of you voted for Hill.
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There were no good options.
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LOL you guys never stop do you?
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Stop what dear? Read international news. We are incredulous at this person. And the bile, which is so very evident here, of his supporters.
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Keep in mind many are bots, hired basically for advertising purposes. Not everyone, I suppose, but enough to make me think this prthislace is 75% political billboard.

But...that's free speech.

What *I* believe ought to happen, however, is that ANY time someone is botting on the public dime--whether for their local police department or the White House itself--that person's employment, the NAME of the PR firm who hired them, and the LINE ITEM in the public budget which pays the fees, MUST be made public knowledge.

If my neighbor is being paid $10/paragraph by my local government to tell me the sky is green, the details of that operation must be public, including all the sockpuppet names.
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This place was taken over years ago...the raging bulls dragged round through their ringed noses...nibiru...Mayan calendar..any bullshit, halfwitted idea possible. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.
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Yet here you are with a paid membership.
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This.
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Ummm. Just wondering if either or both of you voted for Hill.
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I'm British sweetie, I voted brexit :)
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People out of our country voted online, so you never know.

I always loved Britain and English guys.. but what is going on over there now?
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Stop what dear? Read international news. We are incredulous at this person. And the bile, which is so very evident here, of his supporters.
 Quoting: Epochalypse


Keep in mind many are bots, hired basically for advertising purposes. Not everyone, I suppose, but enough to make me think this prthislace is 75% political billboard.

But...that's free speech.

What *I* believe ought to happen, however, is that ANY time someone is botting on the public dime--whether for their local police department or the White House itself--that person's employment, the NAME of the PR firm who hired them, and the LINE ITEM in the public budget which pays the fees, MUST be made public knowledge.

If my neighbor is being paid $10/paragraph by my local government to tell me the sky is green, the details of that operation must be public, including all the sockpuppet names.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73305107


This place was taken over years ago...the raging bulls dragged round through their ringed noses...nibiru...Mayan calendar..any bullshit, halfwitted idea possible. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.
 Quoting: Epochalypse


Yet here you are with a paid membership.
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An endless source of entertainment.
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Keep in mind many are bots, hired basically for advertising purposes. Not everyone, I suppose, but enough to make me think this prthislace is 75% political billboard.

But...that's free speech.

What *I* believe ought to happen, however, is that ANY time someone is botting on the public dime--whether for their local police department or the White House itself--that person's employment, the NAME of the PR firm who hired them, and the LINE ITEM in the public budget which pays the fees, MUST be made public knowledge.

If my neighbor is being paid $10/paragraph by my local government to tell me the sky is green, the details of that operation must be public, including all the sockpuppet names.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73305107


This place was taken over years ago...the raging bulls dragged round through their ringed noses...nibiru...Mayan calendar..any bullshit, halfwitted idea possible. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.
 Quoting: Epochalypse


Yet here you are with a paid membership.
 Quoting: Fire & Ice


An endless source of entertainment.
 Quoting: Epochalypse


The only thing scarier than free speech is no free speech.

Keep in mind half the insanity is very purposeful - to keep some from taking information here seriously, to make us afraid to refer to it as a source of discussion, etc. Works, too, lol, little black alien face and all.

But the freedom here has been very, very important to various research topics; I honestly think I couldn't have made progress without it.

Even though most talking to me were clearly shills trying to shout me down, and eventually more highly-paid ones presenting lawyerly defenses of the corruption case I was pursuing--it was as if the back-and-forth itself, regardless of how antagonistic, was vital to sharpening my position.
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Blah, blah, blah...show the evidence.
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You gullible idiots that believe this fake accusation and were so gullible as to believe and back Tramp into the White House, how do you look yourselves in the mirror and know that you handed over the world's last hope for democracy to Vlad Putin. You idiots let Tramp sell the country out for his own personal gain and due to the shit the Russians have hanging over Tramp's head.

We told you that you all were stupid and you were also so filled with hate for other Americans. You let stupidity and hate convince you that that SOB was gonna help the little guy. He will always sell out the little guy. See Keystone pipeline to be built with foreign steel and a Russian billionaire will profit personally from it.

Stupid mother fuckers all of you...Make America Great Again, my ass.
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Go back to Mexico you fucking loser. the free shit is over.
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You gullible idiots that believe this fake accusation and were so gullible as to believe and back Tramp into the White House, how do you look yourselves in the mirror and know that you handed over the world's last hope for democracy to Vlad Putin. You idiots let Tramp sell the country out for his own personal gain and due to the shit the Russians have hanging over Tramp's head.

We told you that you all were stupid and you were also so filled with hate for other Americans. You let stupidity and hate convince you that that SOB was gonna help the little guy. He will always sell out the little guy. See Keystone pipeline to be built with foreign steel and a Russian billionaire will profit personally from it.

Stupid mother fuckers all of you...Make America Great Again, my ass.
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Go back to Mexico you fucking loser. the free shit is over.
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The average Mexican has a significantly high percentage of Native American DNA.

This means they were on this continent for, oh, 30,000 years or so. It's gauche to say "go home" to someone when our own lineage here is only several hundred years at best.
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Its all a big stage play
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You gullible idiots that believe this fake accusation and were so gullible as to believe and back Tramp into the White House, how do you look yourselves in the mirror and know that you handed over the world's last hope for democracy to Vlad Putin. You idiots let Tramp sell the country out for his own personal gain and due to the shit the Russians have hanging over Tramp's head.

We told you that you all were stupid and you were also so filled with hate for other Americans. You let stupidity and hate convince you that that SOB was gonna help the little guy. He will always sell out the little guy. See Keystone pipeline to be built with foreign steel and a Russian billionaire will profit personally from it.

Stupid mother fuckers all of you...Make America Great Again, my ass.
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Go back to Mexico you fucking loser. the free shit is over.
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The average Mexican has a significantly high percentage of Native American DNA.

This means they were on this continent for, oh, 30,000 years or so. It's gauche to say "go home" to someone when our own lineage here is only several hundred years at best.
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You mean the immigrants who stole land from the natives, are whining that they don't want immigrants? Nooooooooo!
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