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Sandy Hook: CSP Lt. DelVecchia: "Chaos...ambulances could not enter the school grounds."

 
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This is why the democratic party, the MSM, and ESPECIALLY obama is scared shitless.

They know if they push donald trump too hard, he will reveal the truth. The NDAA will not protect even obama, hillary, and other powerful people involved from tax fraud jail terms. They really did scam people for tax deductable donations to this thing. Everything else they could have gotten away with under NDAA/national securuty.

Remember what brought al capone down ... who was arguably one of the most powerful people in the USA at the time ...
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I still believe the greatest loss with this attack from these scumbags, was not only making money on guns and stimulating the general consciousness on "gun control", but especially the loss of accountability when someone says something and does not have to "PROVE IT". The Freedom of Information Act has been attacked and trying desperately to destroy this Rights for the people.

Corrupticut is still not yet held accountable to PROVE ANYTHING! And all we have is "90%+ redacted evidence"?!!!! Do you understand this????????????
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I still believe the greatest loss with this attack from these scumbags, was not only making money on guns and stimulating the general consciousness on "gun control", but especially the loss of accountability when someone says something and does not have to "PROVE IT". The Freedom of Information Act has been attacked and trying desperately to destroy this Rights for the people.

Corrupticut is still not yet held accountable to PROVE ANYTHING! And all we have is "90%+ redacted evidence"?!!!! Do you understand this????????????
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It was one of the most flagrant, in our faces, abuses of power of all time. They did not just break all of the rules. They were not just sloppy. It was an intentional combination of both.

But FWIW, the hoaxes after this one got lots more scrutiny. And like I said earlier, the people who did this found out how they were no where near as powerful/protected as they thought they were. That should be our quantum of solace. I still feel bad, however, for all the innocent souls they abused and continue to abuse on a national level.

verysad
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I still believe the greatest loss with this attack from these scumbags, was not only making money on guns and stimulating the general consciousness on "gun control", but especially the loss of accountability when someone says something and does not have to "PROVE IT". The Freedom of Information Act has been attacked and trying desperately to destroy this Rights for the people.

Corrupticut is still not yet held accountable to PROVE ANYTHING! And all we have is "90%+ redacted evidence"?!!!! Do you understand this????????????
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It was one of the most flagrant, in our faces, abuses of power of all time. They did not just break all of the rules. They were not just sloppy. It was an intentional combination of both.

But FWIW, the hoaxes after this one got lots more scrutiny. And like I said earlier, the people who did this found out how they were no where near as powerful/protected as they thought they were. That should be our quantum of solace. I still feel bad, however, for all the innocent souls they abused and continue to abuse on a national level.

verysad
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Well said. Like the tag in the title of the thread " Chaos...ambulances could not enter the school grounds"

That is so lame on so many levels. You make paramedics walk their stuff down and stage in a parking lot and wait? Why have them stage at all if you have already determined there are no survivors?

Why? Because they were eye candy for an event. March a bunch of military snipers around the scene as if a " still at large" scenario exists but obviously not too much of a concern if you allow the general public to move freely around the scene.

It was a very well produced Urban Legend or it was the worst Keystone cops event in the history of the United States....and local authorities gave themselves awards for it.

But the truth is on it's way. I always wondered how the public will handle knowing they were played. This deep state fight that seems to be playing out is going to be interesting. We are now aware of the watchful eyes at every turn....how long before the propaganda is exposed?
Is there a chance we could get some honesty up in here?
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I looked at the photos and saw a lot of police cars blocking the entrance to the school. Guess what. In a real situation police would know better that to block the only access rout for fire trucks and ambulance. I see only one fire truck that got through. That must have been very early on in the hoax.

And how many of the other cars blocking the road were designated for the task of keeping people out. Deliberately keeping them out. People like you and me.

PS: The first Janitor "Kevin j. Anzellotti" got replaced by Rick Thorne at the last minute. I wonder if that was because of the likes Kevin had for Crisis Actors East on his facebook page. Some strange goings on there too.

See intelhub article
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I found the article at the link below interesting. He or she goes through several theories to explain what may have happened. My favorite is the hoax theory. Lots of guess work though it's still a good read just for entertainment purpose. Lots of info - disinfo? Make up your own mind.

[link to dectiri.blogspot.ca]
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I looked at the photos and saw a lot of police cars blocking the entrance to the school. Guess what. In a real situation police would know better that to block the only access rout for fire trucks and ambulance. I see only one fire truck that got through. That must have been very early on in the hoax.

And how many of the other cars blocking the road were designated for the task of keeping people out. Deliberately keeping them out. People like you and me.

PS: The first Janitor "Kevin j. Anzellotti" got replaced by Rick Thorne at the last minute. I wonder if that was because of the likes Kevin had for Crisis Actors East on his facebook page. Some strange goings on there too.

See intelhub article
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Bingo and spot on NS.

Blocking a road, supposedly searching for 2nd or 3rd perps while not securing the area?

Keystone cops would know to at least follow protocol. But if nothing happened its hard to play the part.
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Roads were blocked because the school's location is a security/emergency response nightmare.

One little main road, which is itself off of a little pinched town road.

ALL the more reason helicopters should have been sent pronto.

Had Nute NOT stalled CMED, had he told them WHICH exact building the call was to, it's possible the CMED directors could have foreseen the problem and made sure to call helos.

The thing is that for a call this large, Life Star would have been called anyway. NOT just Life Star, but as one paramedic recently put it, MULTIPLE helicopters from surrounding areas, as far away as Albany would have been sent.

The crux of the problem remains, I hate to say it, Newtown's and really Newtown's only. NPD and Newtown dispatch were unfortunately a double disaster. NPD remained silent about the massive number of patients, and Nute for whatever reason wanted to prevent CMED from getting involved (which is insane, because it's CMED's job to get involved).

Now maybe he had good reason; maybe in his past dealings with CMED he'd found them to do more harm than good.

At any rate, both individual NPD officers (including their first shirt/scene commander) are absolutely, directly responsible for the high death rate. We can argue about motive, intention, whether it was purely accidental, etc., all day but unfortunately that central fact remains true.

There is also a case to be made for Newtown dispatch being liable for being too conservative with resources.

Any time 20 kids die, most excuses for how it happen don't fall on very sympathetic ears, despite any best intentions of the men involved. Triple tragedy.

And guess how many police districts are addressing the very real possibility that THEY will encounter a situation where they fail to declare an MCI?

ZERO. Because no one in Newtown, or Connecticut, has admitted to that epicentric, fatal, error.
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I am sorry. This doesn't lend any credence to the SH Conspiracy. It just demonstrates the cluster fuck that is mass casualty. And this is largely due to the lack of competent planning because in Fire, EMS, and Police Public Safety, we promote apple polishing politicians and take no input from the men and women on the streets.
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I couldn't put it any better than Lt. David DelVecchia, the man who led the Sandy Hook investigation:

"Ambulances and patrol cars could not exit or enter the school grounds."

Doesn't get any plainer than that.

What is less plain is how the lead investigator knows damn well the ambulance route was blocked, but said nothing about it in the investigation report.
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I am sorry. This doesn't lend any credence to the SH Conspiracy. It just demonstrates the cluster fuck that is mass casualty. And this is largely due to the lack of competent planning because in Fire, EMS, and Police Public Safety, we promote apple polishing politicians and take no input from the men and women on the streets.
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The emergency services cluster f*** is exactly what state of Connecticut officials are conspiring to coverup.

If ONE child had bled to death from survivable wounds, there would likely have been a coverup; in this case something like 18 children did.

On top of that, at least one child was shot by NPD; I'm now hearing some may also have been shot by SWAT.

Back in the day I was defensive of NPD and felt CSP was unfairly blaming them; I'd come to conclude that the fault was largely NPD's.

BUT...it is not actually possible, yet, to state whether that 9:46:54 a.m. shot was fired by NPD.

I guess CSP could be framing NPD; but I think Cario is fairly convincing that the shot came from either WC or SS (clearly Cario implicates WC most strongly).
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That was a little unclear: I was first defensive of NPD, then came to conclude that they were in fact largely to blame. I'm allowing for some small chance that the blame lies with CSP, who is framing NPD.

But I have to say that nearly all the evidence points to NPD being at fault.

The thing that is impossible to escape is NPD's total blackout of the patient numbers; if one or two guys failed to declare an MCI, by accident, that's one thing. But every single one?

No way.

How could they be so purposely evil? Good question--it is statistically unlikely any of these were "evil" men.

Would they really just stay quiet about rooms full of injured children to protect NPD officer WC, and themselves, for what he had just done?

Or is it more likely that they WERE following active shooter protocol--they discovered that the boy they shot was NOT the perp, and in fact the ONLY real perp was still on the loose?

That is the only circumstance in which it would be both legal, and expected, for officers to ignore the wounded.

HOWEVER - they were still under total obligation to transmit a patient count, even if they had to do so at a run.
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I couldn't put it any better than Lt. David DelVecchia, the man who led the Sandy Hook investigation:

"Ambulances and patrol cars could not exit or enter the school grounds."

Doesn't get any plainer than that.

What is less plain is how the lead investigator knows damn well the ambulance route was blocked, but said nothing about it in the investigation report.
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Actually lends credibility to the drill scenario since one could argue the supposed traffic problem was purposeful.

Roads were clogged on purpose...the rest falls into place.

See simple.
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Yes Dude, you're right. It's blatantly obvious how LE's vehicles as well as some "random" vehicles were in the right place to "keep out" those that don't need to be in those specific areas of controversy.
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Yes Dude, you're right. It's blatantly obvious how LE's vehicles as well as some "random" vehicles were in the right place to "keep out" those that don't need to be in those specific areas of controversy.
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Here is a question if you are on the fence.

We know that the ambulances were staged at the firehouse and the complaint was the roads were jammed so they could not make it into the scene....supposedly.


Then that tells us medical care was requested. Why not get the doctors into the building to provide care? They wanted to transport wounded but they still needed immediate care.

So in reality medical staff was on site but never allowed in. The blocked roads are a non issue because doctors could still make their way in. Ambulances are transportation not doctors.

If they called for ambulances safe to assume they felt the injured could be moved for treatment?

Now if it was a drill....

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Three of the first responding cops were also EMT's, another cop was a registered nurse, so they were getting immediate care.
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Three of the first responding cops were also EMT's, another cop was a registered nurse, so they were getting immediate care.
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Gosh it just seems there are no good answers.

I thought cops could not provide the care since the scene was not secure and they could not bother with the wounded until they knew the assailant was no longer a threat....but then you could not call for ambulances until you knew that was the case...which means you knew of the injuries and medical help needed...which means they did attempt to provide medical care.....which means....


It was a drill.

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Three of the first responding cops were also EMT's, another cop was a registered nurse, so they were getting immediate care.
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Gosh it just seems there are no good answers.

I thought cops could not provide the care since the scene was not secure and they could not bother with the wounded until they knew the assailant was no longer a threat....but then you could not call for ambulances until you knew that was the case...which means you knew of the injuries and medical help needed...which means they did attempt to provide medical care.....which means....


It was a drill.
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Three cops were EMT"s, so they could give care. Another was a nurse, he could give care also.
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Three of the first responding cops were also EMT's, another cop was a registered nurse, so they were getting immediate care.
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Gosh it just seems there are no good answers.

I thought cops could not provide the care since the scene was not secure and they could not bother with the wounded until they knew the assailant was no longer a threat....but then you could not call for ambulances until you knew that was the case...which means you knew of the injuries and medical help needed...which means they did attempt to provide medical care.....which means....


It was a drill.
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Three cops were EMT"s, so they could give care. Another was a nurse, he could give care also.
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Did they?
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The crux of the problem remains, I hate to say it, Newtown's and really Newtown's only. NPD and Newtown dispatch were unfortunately a double disaster. NPD remained silent about the massive number of patients
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Three of the first responding cops were also EMT's, another cop was a registered nurse, so they were getting immediate care.
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Gosh it just seems there are no good answers.

I thought cops could not provide the care since the scene was not secure and they could not bother with the wounded until they knew the assailant was no longer a threat....but then you could not call for ambulances until you knew that was the case...which means you knew of the injuries and medical help needed...which means they did attempt to provide medical care.....which means....


It was a drill.
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Three cops were EMT"s, so they could give care. Another was a nurse, he could give care also.
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Did they?
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Unless you can prove they didn't give care, then there is no reason to believe they did not.

In an active shooter situation, no ambulance is going to rush to the scene and paramedics go in. For safety sake, cops make sure it is secure. By the time it was made safe, the EMT's and nurse determined most were dead and two kids were taken out and transported to the hospital only to die later.
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What kind of care could they possibly have provided?

Were they carrying any life saving equipment?
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What kind of care could they possibly have provided?

Were they carrying any life saving equipment?
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A heart monitor was brought in, to determine signs of life.

Based on the report, only two of the children were still living and they were taken out and put in ambulances. The others were declared dead on scene, which is legal in Connecticut.
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Three of the first responding cops were also EMT's, another cop was a registered nurse, so they were getting immediate care.
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And don't forget Nurse Sally Cox who hid in the closet for four hours. So you really believe this cock and bull story?
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Three of the first responding cops were also EMT's, another cop was a registered nurse, so they were getting immediate care.
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And don't forget Nurse Sally Cox who hid in the closet for four hours. So you really believe this cock and bull story?
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If you have facts and evidence to refute the story, let's see them. Not speculating about what happened, not an opinion that someone is acting. Facts.
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SEEMS LIKE ENOUGH TO GET THE BALL ROLLING IN REGARDS TO THE MANY ODD FACTS SURROUNDING THE 2012 INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED AT SANDY HOOK ELEMENTARY CONNETICUT
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JUST TO ADD ON THE ABOVE, ISN'T IT A LITTLE ODD THAT ALL THESE CRAZY SHOOTINGS TAKE PLACE, A NEW PRESIDENT GETS IN... AND THEY ALL STOP
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JUST TO ADD ON THE ABOVE, ISN'T IT A LITTLE ODD THAT ALL THESE CRAZY SHOOTINGS TAKE PLACE, A NEW PRESIDENT GETS IN... AND THEY ALL STOP
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It's been two months, little early to say they have stopped.
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SEEMS LIKE ENOUGH TO GET THE BALL ROLLING IN REGARDS TO THE MANY ODD FACTS SURROUNDING THE 2012 INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED AT SANDY HOOK ELEMENTARY CONNETICUT
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I said facts, not speculation.
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SEEMS LIKE ENOUGH TO GET THE BALL ROLLING IN REGARDS TO THE MANY ODD FACTS SURROUNDING THE 2012 INCIDENT THAT OCCURRED AT SANDY HOOK ELEMENTARY CONNETICUT
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I said facts, not speculation.
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So you don't think the evidence of people acting alone isn't enough ? Is that what you are saying ?

That's kind of hard because it looks like the whole thing was an act.


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