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Sandy Hook: CSP Lt. DelVecchia: "Chaos...ambulances could not enter the school grounds."

 
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Since you know when the heart monitors were used ...can you explain why they would call for ambulances to the school?
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There were two wounded children, they were taken to the hospital. Where they died.
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So it would matter that ambulances could make it through?
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It would matter, if the other children were declared dead already. But like I said, the ambulances could not be near the school until the scene was cleared and deemed safe. By that time the kids were dead and the two wounded were gotten to in time. Things like that happen at mass casualty events.

I know you're trying to say that the ambulances were blocked, so they couldn't get to the kids. But that had to be done for safety reasons.
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Totally incorrect, I'm afraid.

Kullgren, the NPD man in charge, called for an ambulance to stage right in front of the school.

The Newtown EMS commander called for paramedics and their ambulances to stage in front of the school.

The Connecticut State Police called for ambulances to stage in front of the school.

No ambulances, not once, ever, staged in front of the school.

Kullgren, the EMS commander, and the CSP first shirt were some of the people literally responsible for determining whether the scene was safe for ambulances--and EACH of them asked for ambulances to come.

None came.

First, because they weren't there, and secondly, by the time they were there, the road was blocked.
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Read the police call logs again:

10:11:00 I got multiple ambulance personnel coming in, can we create that staging area within the School parking area?

10:12:00 Negative Newtown, any ambulances coming in will have to stage at Sandy Hook firehouse and we値l call em up.
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Re: Sandy Hook: CSP Lt. DelVecchia: "Chaos...ambulances could not enter the school grounds."
You don't pt ambulances that near an active shooter scene, that's obvious. They have to be kept a safe distance away until all is clear.
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So they were incapable of walking out of the ambulances to
get to the destination?
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Dispatch had no communication with the regional ambulances.

Newtown police had no communication with the regional ambulances.

Newtown EMS had no communication with the regional ambulances.

Connecticut State Police had no communication with the regioal ambulances.

Newtown police, fire, and EMS had no communication with the Connecticut State Police.

There was, very literally, no one in charge of the emergency response to the Sandy Hook shootings.
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You don't pt ambulances that near an active shooter scene, that's obvious. They have to be kept a safe distance away until all is clear.
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Negative--they have to be kept a safe distance away until law enforcement and EMS commanders call them in.

Law enforcement and EMS commanders called them in.

They did not come.
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I ran into the lady at the freezer section in Target. She had the charity tshirt on. Very odd muscle movements. I was SO
tempted to talk to her.
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Re: Sandy Hook: CSP Lt. DelVecchia: "Chaos...ambulances could not enter the school grounds."
Read the police call logs again:

10:11:00 I got multiple ambulance personnel coming in, can we create that staging area within the School parking area?

10:12:00 Negative Newtown, any ambulances coming in will have to stage at Sandy Hook firehouse and we値l call em up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56943397


I commend you for being the only human being on the planet, besides myself, to note that transmission.

The problem is that that the person making that transmission was not in charge of the Newtown response, and further, his transmission is in direct conflict with transmissions already made by law enforcement personnel who DID have decision-making power as to the safety of the scene:

10:00:44 AM, CSP: "Get an EMS bus up here, right away. Send the ambulance right up, right up to me."
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You don't pt ambulances that near an active shooter scene, that's obvious. They have to be kept a safe distance away until all is clear.
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Negative--they have to be kept a safe distance away until law enforcement and EMS commanders call them in.

Law enforcement and EMS commanders called them in.

They did not come.
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The kids were declared dead on scene. The two EMT's, the nurse and the three medics were in contact with a Dr at Danbury. That's how death was declared, by that time ambulances were not needed.
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Re: Sandy Hook: CSP Lt. DelVecchia: "Chaos...ambulances could not enter the school grounds."
Read the police call logs again:

10:11:00 I got multiple ambulance personnel coming in, can we create that staging area within the School parking area?

10:12:00 Negative Newtown, any ambulances coming in will have to stage at Sandy Hook firehouse and we値l call em up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56943397


I commend you for being the only human being on the planet, besides myself, to note that transmission.

The problem is that that the person making that transmission was not in charge of the Newtown response, and further, his transmission is in direct conflict with transmissions already made by law enforcement personnel who DID have decision-making power as to the safety of the scene:

10:00:44 AM, CSP: "Get an EMS bus up here, right away. Send the ambulance right up, right up to me."
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At 10:12, the ambulances were told to stay at the firehouse. It was not safe yet

Cario brought in the three medics at 10:03:40
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You don't pt ambulances that near an active shooter scene, that's obvious. They have to be kept a safe distance away until all is clear.
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Negative--they have to be kept a safe distance away until law enforcement and EMS commanders call them in.

Law enforcement and EMS commanders called them in.

They did not come.
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The kids were declared dead on scene. The two EMT's, the nurse and the three medics were in contact with a Dr at Danbury. That's how death was declared, by that time ambulances were not needed.
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The kids had NOT been declared dead on scene.

That is why multiple law enforcement officers from both the Newtown Police Department and the Connecticut State Police were calling for multiple multiple ambulances.

At 10 a.m. when CSP transmitted that it needed ambulances, Newtown's ambulances hadn't even left with their patients yet; the EMT aboard A2 said her patient was alive and breathing and had circulation.

The children were NOT deceased, and no one had declared them so.

NPD Sgt. Kullgren AGAIN called for an ambulance at 10:17 a.m. and requested it to the FRONT of the school.

You will not win this one, my friend.
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Re: Sandy Hook: CSP Lt. DelVecchia: "Chaos...ambulances could not enter the school grounds."
Read the police call logs again:

10:11:00 I got multiple ambulance personnel coming in, can we create that staging area within the School parking area?

10:12:00 Negative Newtown, any ambulances coming in will have to stage at Sandy Hook firehouse and we値l call em up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56943397


I commend you for being the only human being on the planet, besides myself, to note that transmission.

The problem is that that the person making that transmission was not in charge of the Newtown response, and further, his transmission is in direct conflict with transmissions already made by law enforcement personnel who DID have decision-making power as to the safety of the scene:

10:00:44 AM, CSP: "Get an EMS bus up here, right away. Send the ambulance right up, right up to me."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58145289


At 10:12, the ambulances were told to stay at the firehouse. It was not safe yet

Cario brought in the three medics at 10:03:40
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The man making that transmission had no authority to override the state police order for ambulances at 10 a.m.
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Re: Sandy Hook: CSP Lt. DelVecchia: "Chaos...ambulances could not enter the school grounds."
Read the police call logs again:

10:11:00 I got multiple ambulance personnel coming in, can we create that staging area within the School parking area?

10:12:00 Negative Newtown, any ambulances coming in will have to stage at Sandy Hook firehouse and we値l call em up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56943397


I commend you for being the only human being on the planet, besides myself, to note that transmission.

The problem is that that the person making that transmission was not in charge of the Newtown response, and further, his transmission is in direct conflict with transmissions already made by law enforcement personnel who DID have decision-making power as to the safety of the scene:

10:00:44 AM, CSP: "Get an EMS bus up here, right away. Send the ambulance right up, right up to me."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58145289


At 10:12, the ambulances were told to stay at the firehouse. It was not safe yet

Cario brought in the three medics at 10:03:40
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56943397


The man making that transmission had no authority to override the state police order for ambulances at 10 a.m.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58145289


How do you know? If it were not safe yet and based on the call logs, it was not. then the ambulances could not be brought to the school. That is why Cario was sent out to escort the medics into the school

"Paramedic and Director of Danbury Hospital EMS Matthew Cassavechia, tactical Paramedic and Danbury EMS supervisor John Reed, and Paramedic and Assistant Fire Chief Bernie Meehan were the three triage officers. The legal presumptions of death were made by this team, using the SMART Triage System protocols. Cassavechia operated as the senior medical person on scene and maintained phone contact with Danbury Hospital Medical Control Physician Dr. Pat Broderick, under whose medical authority the paramedics operated."
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Re: Sandy Hook: CSP Lt. DelVecchia: "Chaos...ambulances could not enter the school grounds."
Read the police call logs again:

10:11:00 I got multiple ambulance personnel coming in, can we create that staging area within the School parking area?

10:12:00 Negative Newtown, any ambulances coming in will have to stage at Sandy Hook firehouse and we値l call em up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56943397


I commend you for being the only human being on the planet, besides myself, to note that transmission.

The problem is that that the person making that transmission was not in charge of the Newtown response, and further, his transmission is in direct conflict with transmissions already made by law enforcement personnel who DID have decision-making power as to the safety of the scene:

10:00:44 AM, CSP: "Get an EMS bus up here, right away. Send the ambulance right up, right up to me."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58145289


At 10:12, the ambulances were told to stay at the firehouse. It was not safe yet

Cario brought in the three medics at 10:03:40
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Negative. Meehan self-dispatched when he hard "call for everything," a transmission that was not made until 10:03 a.m.

He then had to drive to Sandy Hook.

Once there, he started helping Fire set up a triage by the FD. He was than asked to walk to the school.

He said he followed the Redding ambulance personnel in, who were also walking.

Redding was nowhere near Sandy Hook at 10:03 a.m.
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I commend you for being the only human being on the planet, besides myself, to note that transmission.

The problem is that that the person making that transmission was not in charge of the Newtown response, and further, his transmission is in direct conflict with transmissions already made by law enforcement personnel who DID have decision-making power as to the safety of the scene:

10:00:44 AM, CSP: "Get an EMS bus up here, right away. Send the ambulance right up, right up to me."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58145289


At 10:12, the ambulances were told to stay at the firehouse. It was not safe yet

Cario brought in the three medics at 10:03:40
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56943397


The man making that transmission had no authority to override the state police order for ambulances at 10 a.m.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58145289


How do you know? If it were not safe yet and based on the call logs, it was not. then the ambulances could not be brought to the school. That is why Cario was sent out to escort the medics into the school

"Paramedic and Director of Danbury Hospital EMS Matthew Cassavechia, tactical Paramedic and Danbury EMS supervisor John Reed, and Paramedic and Assistant Fire Chief Bernie Meehan were the three triage officers. The legal presumptions of death were made by this team, using the SMART Triage System protocols. Cassavechia operated as the senior medical person on scene and maintained phone contact with Danbury Hospital Medical Control Physician Dr. Pat Broderick, under whose medical authority the paramedics operated."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56943397


It is not up to fire/EMS to determine scene safety; it is up to law enforcement.

Law enforcement--both local and state--was requesting ambulances directly to the front of the school and had been since 9:57 a.m.
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I commend you for being the only human being on the planet, besides myself, to note that transmission.

The problem is that that the person making that transmission was not in charge of the Newtown response, and further, his transmission is in direct conflict with transmissions already made by law enforcement personnel who DID have decision-making power as to the safety of the scene:

10:00:44 AM, CSP: "Get an EMS bus up here, right away. Send the ambulance right up, right up to me."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58145289


At 10:12, the ambulances were told to stay at the firehouse. It was not safe yet

Cario brought in the three medics at 10:03:40
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56943397


The man making that transmission had no authority to override the state police order for ambulances at 10 a.m.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58145289


How do you know? If it were not safe yet and based on the call logs, it was not. then the ambulances could not be brought to the school. That is why Cario was sent out to escort the medics into the school

"Paramedic and Director of Danbury Hospital EMS Matthew Cassavechia, tactical Paramedic and Danbury EMS supervisor John Reed, and Paramedic and Assistant Fire Chief Bernie Meehan were the three triage officers. The legal presumptions of death were made by this team, using the SMART Triage System protocols. Cassavechia operated as the senior medical person on scene and maintained phone contact with Danbury Hospital Medical Control Physician Dr. Pat Broderick, under whose medical authority the paramedics operated."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56943397


You are talking about a completely different timepoint.

Nonetheless, those exact medics were told to stage their ambulances in front of the school and THEN bring in their defibs.

They did not comply, because they could not.
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At 10:12, the ambulances were told to stay at the firehouse. It was not safe yet

Cario brought in the three medics at 10:03:40
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56943397


The man making that transmission had no authority to override the state police order for ambulances at 10 a.m.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58145289


How do you know? If it were not safe yet and based on the call logs, it was not. then the ambulances could not be brought to the school. That is why Cario was sent out to escort the medics into the school

"Paramedic and Director of Danbury Hospital EMS Matthew Cassavechia, tactical Paramedic and Danbury EMS supervisor John Reed, and Paramedic and Assistant Fire Chief Bernie Meehan were the three triage officers. The legal presumptions of death were made by this team, using the SMART Triage System protocols. Cassavechia operated as the senior medical person on scene and maintained phone contact with Danbury Hospital Medical Control Physician Dr. Pat Broderick, under whose medical authority the paramedics operated."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56943397


It is not up to fire/EMS to determine scene safety; it is up to law enforcement.

Law enforcement--both local and state--was requesting ambulances directly to the front of the school and had been since 9:57 a.m.
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The fact that Cario was sent out to personally escort the medics in proves the school was not safe for ambulances to be brought it.
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The man making that transmission had no authority to override the state police order for ambulances at 10 a.m.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58145289


How do you know? If it were not safe yet and based on the call logs, it was not. then the ambulances could not be brought to the school. That is why Cario was sent out to escort the medics into the school

"Paramedic and Director of Danbury Hospital EMS Matthew Cassavechia, tactical Paramedic and Danbury EMS supervisor John Reed, and Paramedic and Assistant Fire Chief Bernie Meehan were the three triage officers. The legal presumptions of death were made by this team, using the SMART Triage System protocols. Cassavechia operated as the senior medical person on scene and maintained phone contact with Danbury Hospital Medical Control Physician Dr. Pat Broderick, under whose medical authority the paramedics operated."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56943397


It is not up to fire/EMS to determine scene safety; it is up to law enforcement.

Law enforcement--both local and state--was requesting ambulances directly to the front of the school and had been since 9:57 a.m.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58145289


The fact that Cario was sent out to personally escort the medics in proves the school was not safe for ambulances to be brought it.
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Cario didn't escort the medics to the scene. The medics walked to the scene of their own accord after Newtown Fire/EMS told them to walk down.
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How do you know? If it were not safe yet and based on the call logs, it was not. then the ambulances could not be brought to the school. That is why Cario was sent out to escort the medics into the school

"Paramedic and Director of Danbury Hospital EMS Matthew Cassavechia, tactical Paramedic and Danbury EMS supervisor John Reed, and Paramedic and Assistant Fire Chief Bernie Meehan were the three triage officers. The legal presumptions of death were made by this team, using the SMART Triage System protocols. Cassavechia operated as the senior medical person on scene and maintained phone contact with Danbury Hospital Medical Control Physician Dr. Pat Broderick, under whose medical authority the paramedics operated."
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It is not up to fire/EMS to determine scene safety; it is up to law enforcement.

Law enforcement--both local and state--was requesting ambulances directly to the front of the school and had been since 9:57 a.m.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58145289


The fact that Cario was sent out to personally escort the medics in proves the school was not safe for ambulances to be brought it.
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Cario didn't escort the medics to the scene. The medics walked to the scene of their own accord after Newtown Fire/EMS told them to walk down.
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He lead them there. If the scene was clear ambulances would have been thrre, but it was not. The cops were still searching the school. And there is no way ambulances would be brought to a scene in case there were other shooters.
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9:57:43 a.m. Newtown Fire/EMS: "A2 is proceeding to the scene on the request of the police department."

10:00:44 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "Get an EMS bus up here, right away. Send the ambulance right up, right up to me."

10:00:50 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "401, get the bus! Get the bus!"

10:00:51 a.m. Newtown Police: "D5, we need buses here ASAP!"

10:01:39 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "...send EMS personnel, we're running out real quick!"

10:02:13 a.m. Newtown Fire/EMS, disapproving: "Newtown, this is A3: we just had a patient brought to us by a police car."

10:14:02 a.m. Newtown dispatch: "Redding is en route, two officers and an ambulance."

10:14:08 a.m. Newtown Police: "Roger stage them out front please."

10:24:05 a.m. Newtown fire/EMS: "I want you to set up the quad, to transport; we don't need the trailer, we can double up on the back. Bring that up here, and stage it at Sandy Hook school parking lot."

10:24:43 Newtown Fire/EMS: "408 did you copy, we're gonna need the quad up here."

10:29:43 Newtown Fire/EMS: "John, I can't get the quad up here the road's blocked too much."
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9:57:43 a.m. Newtown Fire/EMS: "A2 is proceeding to the scene on the request of the police department."

10:00:44 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "Get an EMS bus up here, right away. Send the ambulance right up, right up to me."

10:00:50 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "401, get the bus! Get the bus!"

10:00:51 a.m. Newtown Police: "D5, we need buses here ASAP!"

10:01:39 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "...send EMS personnel, we're running out real quick!"

10:02:13 a.m. Newtown Fire/EMS, disapproving: "Newtown, this is A3: we just had a patient brought to us by a police car."

10:14:02 a.m. Newtown dispatch: "Redding is en route, two officers and an ambulance."

10:14:08 a.m. Newtown Police: "Roger stage them out front please."

10:24:05 a.m. Newtown fire/EMS: "I want you to set up the quad, to transport; we don't need the trailer, we can double up on the back. Bring that up here, and stage it at Sandy Hook school parking lot."

10:24:43 Newtown Fire/EMS: "408 did you copy, we're gonna need the quad up here."

10:29:43 Newtown Fire/EMS: "John, I can't get the quad up here the road's blocked too much."
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But the medics, EMT's and nurse were already there in the school at that time. It was too late for ambulances to do any good.
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He lead them there. If the scene was clear ambulances would have been thrre, but it was not. The cops were still searching the school. And there is no way ambulances would be brought to a scene in case there were other shooters.
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Cario did not lead medics to the school.

The medics didn't even form up until all three--Reed, Meehan, and Cassavechia--were there, and Meehan wasn't there until Redding ambulance personnel arrived.

Redding wasn't even enroute until 10:14 a.m., let alone on scene.

Those medics didn't enter the school any earlier than 10:35 a.m.

10:35:13 a.m. Newtown Fire/EMS: "I want your medics; have them bring their automatic defibs, and stage the ambulances at the Sandy Hook school."

It is after 10:35 a.m. Patients have been bleeding for a full hour. Not a single Danbury medic is on scene.
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9:57:43 a.m. Newtown Fire/EMS: "A2 is proceeding to the scene on the request of the police department."

10:00:44 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "Get an EMS bus up here, right away. Send the ambulance right up, right up to me."

10:00:50 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "401, get the bus! Get the bus!"

10:00:51 a.m. Newtown Police: "D5, we need buses here ASAP!"

10:01:39 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "...send EMS personnel, we're running out real quick!"

10:02:13 a.m. Newtown Fire/EMS, disapproving: "Newtown, this is A3: we just had a patient brought to us by a police car."

10:14:02 a.m. Newtown dispatch: "Redding is en route, two officers and an ambulance."

10:14:08 a.m. Newtown Police: "Roger stage them out front please."

10:24:05 a.m. Newtown fire/EMS: "I want you to set up the quad, to transport; we don't need the trailer, we can double up on the back. Bring that up here, and stage it at Sandy Hook school parking lot."

10:24:43 Newtown Fire/EMS: "408 did you copy, we're gonna need the quad up here."

10:29:43 Newtown Fire/EMS: "John, I can't get the quad up here the road's blocked too much."
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But the medics, EMT's and nurse were already there in the school at that time. It was too late for ambulances to do any good.
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You're saying it was too late for ambulances to do any good at 9:57 a.m. and the girl from Room 10 hadn't even been brought to an ambulance yet. She was alive and breathing.
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They did the best they could in the situation. they had to clear the school to make it safe. There is really nothing more they could have done under the circumstances.
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They did the best they could in the situation. they had to clear the school to make it safe. There is really nothing more they could have done under the circumstances.
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9:57:43 a.m. Newtown Fire/EMS: "A2 is proceeding to the scene on the request of the police department."

10:00:44 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "Get an EMS bus up here, right away. Send the ambulance right up, right up to me."

10:00:50 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "401, get the bus! Get the bus!"

10:00:51 a.m. Newtown Police: "D5, we need buses here ASAP!"

10:01:39 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "...send EMS personnel, we're running out real quick!"

10:02:13 a.m. Newtown Fire/EMS, disapproving: "Newtown, this is A3: we just had a patient brought to us by a police car."

10:14:02 a.m. Newtown dispatch: "Redding is en route, two officers and an ambulance."

10:14:08 a.m. Newtown Police: "Roger stage them out front please."

10:24:05 a.m. Newtown fire/EMS: "I want you to set up the quad, to transport; we don't need the trailer, we can double up on the back. Bring that up here, and stage it at Sandy Hook school parking lot."

10:24:43 Newtown Fire/EMS: "408 did you copy, we're gonna need the quad up here."

10:29:43 Newtown Fire/EMS: "John, I can't get the quad up here the road's blocked too much."
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Re: Sandy Hook: CSP Lt. DelVecchia: "Chaos...ambulances could not enter the school grounds."
They did the best they could in the situation. they had to clear the school to make it safe. There is really nothing more they could have done under the circumstances.
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There was more they could do, and they were doing it: they were asking repeatedly for ambulances.

None came.
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Re: Sandy Hook: CSP Lt. DelVecchia: "Chaos...ambulances could not enter the school grounds."
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Re: Sandy Hook: CSP Lt. DelVecchia: "Chaos...ambulances could not enter the school grounds."
They did the best they could in the situation. they had to clear the school to make it safe. There is really nothing more they could have done under the circumstances.
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There was more they could do, and they were doing it: they were asking repeatedly for ambulances.

None came.
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9:47:02 鉄4, the building is not secure, so we can稚 have anybody, uh, ambulances coming in.

10:11:00 I got multiple ambulance personnel coming in, can we create that staging area within the School parking area?

10:12:00 Negative Newtown, any ambulances coming in will have to stage at Sandy Hook firehouse and we値l call em up.
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Re: Sandy Hook: CSP Lt. DelVecchia: "Chaos...ambulances could not enter the school grounds."
They did the best they could in the situation. they had to clear the school to make it safe. There is really nothing more they could have done under the circumstances.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56943397


There was more they could do, and they were doing it: they were asking repeatedly for ambulances.

None came.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58145289


9:47:02 鉄4, the building is not secure, so we can稚 have anybody, uh, ambulances coming in.

10:11:00 I got multiple ambulance personnel coming in, can we create that staging area within the School parking area?

10:12:00 Negative Newtown, any ambulances coming in will have to stage at Sandy Hook firehouse and we値l call em up.
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It is absolutely true that at 9:47 a.m. the scene was not safe.

Why?

Because bullets were still being fired.

However, at 9:57 a.m. when police began asking for ambulances at the scene, the only two ambulances on scene did not enter. In A3's words, "There wasn't room."

The Fire/EMS personnel telling ambulances to "stage at the firehouse" at 10:12 a.m. were not in charge of that scene, and had no authority to determine when ambulances should approach the school.

Law enforcement determines when ambulances approach a scene.

And we know what their opinion was:

9:57:43 a.m. Newtown Fire/EMS: "A2 is proceeding to the scene on the request of the police department."

10:00:44 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "Get an EMS bus up here, right away. Send the ambulance right up, right up to me."

10:00:50 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "401, get the bus! Get the bus!"

10:00:51 a.m. Newtown Police: "D5, we need buses here ASAP!"

10:01:39 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "...send EMS personnel, we're running out real quick!"

10:14:08 a.m. Newtown Police: "Roger stage them out front please."
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Re: Sandy Hook: CSP Lt. DelVecchia: "Chaos...ambulances could not enter the school grounds."
They did the best they could in the situation. they had to clear the school to make it safe. There is really nothing more they could have done under the circumstances.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56943397


There was more they could do, and they were doing it: they were asking repeatedly for ambulances.

None came.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58145289


9:47:02 鉄4, the building is not secure, so we can稚 have anybody, uh, ambulances coming in.

10:11:00 I got multiple ambulance personnel coming in, can we create that staging area within the School parking area?

10:12:00 Negative Newtown, any ambulances coming in will have to stage at Sandy Hook firehouse and we値l call em up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56943397


It is absolutely true that at 9:47 a.m. the scene was not safe.

Why?

Because bullets were still being fired.

However, at 9:57 a.m. when police began asking for ambulances at the scene, the only two ambulances on scene did not enter. In A3's words, "There wasn't room."

The Fire/EMS personnel telling ambulances to "stage at the firehouse" at 10:12 a.m. were not in charge of that scene, and had no authority to determine when ambulances should approach the school.

Law enforcement determines when ambulances approach a scene.

And we know what their opinion was:

9:57:43 a.m. Newtown Fire/EMS: "A2 is proceeding to the scene on the request of the police department."

10:00:44 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "Get an EMS bus up here, right away. Send the ambulance right up, right up to me."

10:00:50 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "401, get the bus! Get the bus!"

10:00:51 a.m. Newtown Police: "D5, we need buses here ASAP!"

10:01:39 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "...send EMS personnel, we're running out real quick!"

10:14:08 a.m. Newtown Police: "Roger stage them out front please."
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And at 10:12 they were told it was not safe yet.
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There was more they could do, and they were doing it: they were asking repeatedly for ambulances.

None came.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58145289


9:47:02 鉄4, the building is not secure, so we can稚 have anybody, uh, ambulances coming in.

10:11:00 I got multiple ambulance personnel coming in, can we create that staging area within the School parking area?

10:12:00 Negative Newtown, any ambulances coming in will have to stage at Sandy Hook firehouse and we値l call em up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56943397


It is absolutely true that at 9:47 a.m. the scene was not safe.

Why?

Because bullets were still being fired.

However, at 9:57 a.m. when police began asking for ambulances at the scene, the only two ambulances on scene did not enter. In A3's words, "There wasn't room."

The Fire/EMS personnel telling ambulances to "stage at the firehouse" at 10:12 a.m. were not in charge of that scene, and had no authority to determine when ambulances should approach the school.

Law enforcement determines when ambulances approach a scene.

And we know what their opinion was:

9:57:43 a.m. Newtown Fire/EMS: "A2 is proceeding to the scene on the request of the police department."

10:00:44 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "Get an EMS bus up here, right away. Send the ambulance right up, right up to me."

10:00:50 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "401, get the bus! Get the bus!"

10:00:51 a.m. Newtown Police: "D5, we need buses here ASAP!"

10:01:39 a.m. Connecticut State Police: "...send EMS personnel, we're running out real quick!"

10:14:08 a.m. Newtown Police: "Roger stage them out front please."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58145289


And at 10:12 they were told it was not safe yet.
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They had no radio communication with police.


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