Sandy Hook: CSP Lt. DelVecchia: "Chaos...ambulances could not enter the school grounds."

Since you know when the heart monitors were used ...can you explain why they would call for ambulances to the school?

There were two wounded children, they were taken to the hospital. Where they died.

So it would matter that ambulances could make it through?

It would matter, if the other children were declared dead already. But like I said, the ambulances could not be near the school until the scene was cleared and deemed safe. By that time the kids were dead and the two wounded were gotten to in time. Things like that happen at mass casualty events.

I know you're trying to say that the ambulances were blocked, so they couldn't get to the kids. But that had to be done for safety reasons.

Actually the OP made that claim....based on a quote from from some official.

I think Zeph is more apt to think that Ambulances were blocked purposely to hide police shooting a child.

I am still not convinced. But its not up to me.

If it's true they couldn't position ambulances close to the school until the scene was safely cleared, why was the ONLY road in and out to the school allowed to be blocked to begin with, forcing them to be staged at the firehouse where stupidly, they were blocked AGAIN?

But talking about safely clearing, obviously, they didn't do a good job. It took 4 hours to find a nurse and secretary hiding in a closet, how did they not know if a scared, "wounded" child/children didn't crawl into another closet and hide under some of that hoard? He/she/they could have used a closer ambulance or helicopter don't you think?

What would the EMT/responders do in that situation? Call on their police intercoms for ALL the owners of the 7-10 or more, black, gray and white unmarked, police SUVs blocking the road and firehouse to PLEASE move their cars, so they could pile the child into a police car like the other two? Or, to save time and rushed moving bottlenecked musical cars, WALK the child out?

No. A true scenario would have ambulances AND helicopters staged at the closest possible safe place, set, ready to go unimpeded but then, it would have to be a true scenario wouldn't it, which as we all know, wasn't.

It was all a hoax.

I got some law enforcement from the area telling me the insides of this case.

When the heart monitors were brought in and more victims would have been living, they would have been taken out and brought the hospital like the two wounded children were. The copters were not going to get there and to the hospital any faster than ambulances would have.

All but two victims were declared dead on the scene, ambulances or copters would not have mattered anyway.

RLPV

There were not two children removed from the scene; there were at least 4-5.

AMG died in hospital.

Cario and Vanghele carried out a girl AND a boy to Vanghele's SUV.

A later report stated that a police vehicle transported TWO children to Danbury Hospital.

Danbury physician Jose Mendez stated publicly that he himself took two children to the hospital.

The Danbury security director stated at about 10:23am that there were four patients from Newtown in his ER.

Keep in mind that for a full half hour, minimum, there were ZERO ambulances at staging.

Zero.

Zero ambulances for a scene requiring a minimum of 15, by MCI standards.

Ambulances weren't blocked purposely.

From 10-1030am, there were no ambulances to block.

The single, colossal mistake, from which all others stem is this:

Newtown never told the outside world this was a mass casualty incident.

No one at dispatch knew there were any more than two people down until 10:03 am, by which time everyone had been bleeding for 30 minutes and the road was almost thoroughly blocked.

Newtown's ambulances left around 10:05 am, leaving zero.

By the time mutual aid from other towns finally started trying to make its way to the fire department on Riverside, patients had been bleeding for 60 minutes.

The Golden Hour, as it is called in emergency response circles, was gone.

Immediate care would have been at least one if not two medical personnel applying pressure and tourniquets.

No ambulances, no tourniquets. Maybe Dragon had one in his bag; who knows.

MOST children had survivable wounds, but bled out do to inadequate treatment; that means MOST children needed 1) tourniquets and/or 2) steady pressure.

If most children had survivable wounds, it's safe to guess that at least SOME teachers did.

Ain't no way three guys are able to apply pressure to that many wounds.

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Summary of the police calls

Most of the children were living and at least 5 of them were taken out at a run.

Even the two who were "officially" transported were long gone after heart monitors arrived.

At 10:35 a.m. 405 tells medics to stage with their ambulances AT Sandy Hook School and to bring the automatic defibs.

You'll notice that on Robert Riversong's "Sandy Hook: The Real Story" he conveniently omits the part of that transmission which includes the ORDER given to ambulances to stage AT the school.

Those rigs of course could not get anywhere near the school, and medics went in on foot.

The Golden Hour was long gone; the defibs were a formality.

And someone linked to Riversong right as I was typing.

DelVecchia, the man in CHARGE of the investigation:

"Ambulances could not enter the school grounds."

Nonetheless, at 10:35 not even half the school had been cleared yet.

Many doors remained locked; children and staff continued to hide for another THREE HOURS.

ANY one of those locked doors could have opened to reveal 20 more bleeding students.

ANY of these children and staff unaccounted for--some would NEVER be accounted for that day--could have been shot and in need of transport.

Helicopters, helicopters, helicopters.

Even after declaring every child in rooms 12, 10 and 8 deceased by 11am, it was STILL criminal to fail to call for helicopters, as police had NO way of knowing other patients wouldn't need transport.

For heaven's sake, they claim a SECOND SHOOTER was on the run all day; there could have been third scenes and fourth scenes and fifth scenes in that town, all in need of helicopters.

The paramedic commenting over at Betamunk is correct: helicopters should have been dispatched from as far away as Albany.

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The excuses have run out.

Riversong had a good run, but as serious researchers knew, the truth would eventually outlast the lies.

Not even Riversong has ever tried to justify NPD's failure to transmit an approximate patient count (i.e. declare an MCI).

That's because there is simply no scenario, in any municipality in the union, in which failing to do so is proper protocol.

That simple, single failure, cost Newtown the Golden Hour.

Ambulances couldn't come to school until it was safe, so neither could choppers. The two children who were not declared dead were taken out and to the hospital

Cool story Zeph.

I admire your knowledge of what transpired and how terrible, careless and downright despicable the response to the day was...if it actually happened that way.

This " heart monitor " thing seems like such a ruse since one minute EMT's are escorted into the school ( supposed live action could still be at play...shadows running past the gym ala Rick Thorne perhaps?) But then the initial responding officers were certified as well? And brought in the heart monitors? That sounds so tacky.

Anyway...like I always say...you can believe it was the ultimate calamity of Keystone cops and wantan disregard for human life or....

It was a drill embellished into an Urban Legend. Which makes more sense?

You said it made no sense to send choppers...ambulance was just as fast.

Zeph when were the injured children reported to have arrived at the hospital?

Right, but neither could be at the school until it was safe anyway.

Two of the first responders were also EMT"s, one of the them escorted the medics in. While the other cops were still clearing the school.

Multiple heart monitors were used. This really isn't that hard to understand. All of you are making it more complicated than it really was.

I guess Zeph is reading some weird stuff. Where did she come up with kids being brought to hospitals by police?

So, do we still believe no children really died? That these kids did not exist or were already grown up and old pics were used?

That kid with the little bomber jacket pic yhat was used again years later for the pakistani school shooting, get figured out? The photoshopped daughter of the lsughing dad ever get figured out? All the homes recorded years before of families involved? All the actions taking place that day at the home next door to the shooter? The nutty actor professor spokesman that changed his hero story every 5 minutes? The crazy coroner that seemed to be unable to contain his thrill of the case and was involved previously in changing child autopsy privacy law?

Overhead video of different schools, circling bodies around a fire station, the same and only picture of the 10 kids being lead in a line, the alive then dead principal? No pictures of any bullet holes?? The immediste destruction of the school and non disclosure aggreements to those involved? The shooter was a real person or made up brother?

Oh back to the thread....ambulance drivers saying they were there but werent let in unlike any scenario thed been in before.



Oh yeah, how about the satanic headquarters a block away.
That is one creepy town.

So they were incapable of walking out of the ambulances to
get to the destination?

They were brought out, taken to the ambulances and then went to the hospital

The two kids taken out died on the way to the hospital.

Why did we never get to hear from all the survivors? There had to be a lot of them. Youd think the 20 plus adults on campus that survived wojld have had a group interview.